From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2001 #325 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Friday, October 19 2001 Volume 2001 : Number 325 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Today's Articles: October 18 [les@jmdl.com] Re: JM Biography [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: JM Biography [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: JM Biography [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: JM Biography- dumb question [TerryM2222@aol.com] Re: JM Biography- dumb question [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: JM Biography- dumb question ["Paul Castle" ] Re: song tribute in Toronto [FMYFL@aol.com] One Ticket Available & Comments on the Joni Tribute in Song [julius.kalce] larry klein's movie [Jennymac48@aol.com] laura nyro's birthday sjc longish ["Wally Kairuz" ] Ryan Adams - VLJC ["Brenda J. Walker" ] London's November Swan Song ["Preet" ] Re: JM Biography- dumb question ["Mark or Travis" ] Re: Doctor's pills give you brand new ills (SJC) [RobSher50@aol.com] My personal setlist (wishlist) for the upcoming orchestral Project. [Lazy] Re: was JM Biography, now Covers Collection and Jonifest ["hell" ] Re: larry klein's movie [Nuriel Tobias ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 03:03:07 -0400 From: les@jmdl.com Subject: Today's Articles: October 18 On October 18 these articles were published: 1996: "Words and Music - Joni Mitchell and Morrissey" - Reprise Records (Interview - Audio Transcription) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/docs/961018wam.cfm 2000: "Joni with an "I"" - Observer Review (Interview) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/docs/981018or.cfm - ------------------------ The JMDL Article Database has 635 titles. http://www.jmdl.com/articles ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 06:59:30 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: JM Biography << Which reminds me, wasn't there a plan a few months ago to box the set and send it to you-know-who? I think she would love -- and hate, of course! -- many of the individual artists' efforts. In any case, I'm sure she would treasure it. So if there's anything i can do to make it happen, let me know. >> I'll definitely keep that in mind, Bob...thanks a ton! I'd be happy to add Joni's name to the list of folks that I diligently send copies to each month. Hey, I'd even deliver them *personally*! ;~) Bob, currently copying #23, and collecting for #27 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 07:49:13 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: JM Biography <> Awesome! Yes, I still have that one on the "needs" list, but I'll cross it off today! ;~) While it's nice to bask in all this recognition, it never would have happened without the help of MANY! If I can squeeze it in, I'll put out a list of those who have contributed...it's pretty mind-boggling! The coolest thing is when someone not on the JMDL stumbles onto the site and sees something I either need or don't know about yet! It takes a village... Bob NP: Hound Dog Taylor, "Watch Out" PS: Chad Mitchell was in the Chad Mitchell trio, which also featured a young singer named John Denver! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 08:10:41 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: JM Biography <> I'd be glad to make her copies, but only for blanks & postage, because if she sent me a check for expenses I'd never cash it! LOL! Although she could sketch something on a napkin or 3x5 card...that would have some value as well! Reminds me of the SNL sketch where Picasso keeps trying to pay off his restaurant tab by sketching on a napkin and telling the owner "It's a Picasso"! :~) <> And just a quick footnote here...the Bob in question is Mr. Murphy and not me...and it IS outstanding work all the way 'round. Bob NP: Jimmy Rogers, "That's All Right" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 08:51:15 EDT From: TerryM2222@aol.com Subject: Re: JM Biography- dumb question Hi, Will the book be available in the US? Or must one order it via Amazon UK? Terry www.addconsults.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 09:16:01 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: JM Biography- dumb question It'll be available in the US, Terry...they just have to negotiate all the details. I'm holding out for a US copy as well. Bob ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 15:07:49 +0100 From: "Paul Castle" Subject: Re: JM Biography- dumb question Terry TerryM2222@aol.com asked: > Will the book be available in the US? Or must one order it via Amazon UK? The latest, according to Karen, > "the US release is currently being negotiated > and should be finalised soon . And as for > Canada -- the book is being released there > this month !" Sounds like "the bio has landed" from US orders to Amazon.co.uk OK - but I'd also encourage y'all to order from the Helter Skelter bookshop - I have nothing to do with the shop myself, other than being a regular visitor, but as a Londoner, I would love to see this specialist contemporary music bookshop survive and prosper. It's been on Denmark Street for a couple of years now, (for those who don't know, Denmark Street, off Charing Cross Road, used to be known as the 'Tin Pan Alley of London' and today is almost totally guitar/music shops. Helter Skelter is opposite Andy's and the 12 Bar Club. website: http://www.skelter.demon.co.uk e-mail : helter@skelter.demon.co.uk They have a great selection of contemporary music books - this year I've also read the Clinton Heylin's bio of Sandy Denny, 'No More Sad Refraims', Colin Harper's bio of Bert Jansch, 'Dazzling Stranger' and David Hajdu's 'Positively 4th Street - the lives and times of Joan Baez, Bob Dylan, Mimi Baez Farina and Richard Farina', and have been temped to buy several others, including the James Taylor bio. Talking of Sandy Denny, recently there's been an interesting thread on the Sandy list sparked off by a list member who was concerned over his wife's lack of self-esteem. Sandy suffered badly from this, as a quote from Fairport's Dave Pegg in Karen O'Brien's biography indicates: >"[Sandy] just didn't know how good she was, really. > She never thought she sang well, and she never > thought much of her songs. We all loved them. She'd > go, 'Oh, you all love Joni Mitchell. She's much better > than me'. We'd go, 'No, Sandy. You're as good as she > is.' But [there was] this dreadful insecurity - about > everything. to which the Sandy list-member replied: >Re Joni Mitchell: Another long-term fave, 'Blue' has >to be one of the world's best statements of the human >condition. to which I replied: According to Karen O'Brien >"Much of Denny's own material could be interpreted >as biographical, and she had referred to 'Blue' in her >song 'Makes Me Think of You' which was only ever >recorded as a demo. The song is shot through with >Denny's sadness at her deteriorating marriage to >Trevor Lucas: > ....The albums strewn without their clothes > Gather dust among the grooves > The only one I play is 'Blue' > It makes me think of you.... > Karen also mentions the 1968 Festival of Contemporary Song at the Royal Festival Hall when Joni appeared with Fairport Convention, Jackson C Frank, and Al Stewart. I would love to hear from anyone who can remember that. The late lamented Jackson C Frank's one and only album has been a favourite of mine since my schooldays. I also didn't know that Joni had toured the UK with The Incredible String Band. Anyone see any of those shows? PaulC ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 12:24:30 EDT From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: song tribute in Toronto Kate du Nord asked: <> Hey Kate, To my knowledge it wasn't taped for tv OR for audio. Hopefully someone in the audience may have brought one of those "hidden" recording devices for a future CD tree. It was so awsome, and both Rick and I are still talking about the performances. Jimmy (in cold, but SUNNY Toronto) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 12:52:08 -0500 From: julius.kalcevich@accenture.com Subject: One Ticket Available & Comments on the Joni Tribute in Song *PART 1* I have one Joni/World-Leaders ticket available for tomorrow (Friday). It is for the performance only...(i.e. it does not include the dinner). If you are interested, please email me privately...(or phone me directly 416-641-5229) I would hate for this ticket to goto waste, so I hope that someone (especially a Joni fan!) can use it! (hence the price is VERY negotiable...I think that they were originally being sold for $90CDN/$60US) Regards- Julius Kalcevich (who is very excited about all the Joni events this week!) *PART 2* All the comments from Rick's/Jimmy's email about the Tuesday night tribute were bang on...especially in agreement about the pseudo-punk version of Lesson in Survival which was really awesome!!! ALSO...At the tribute....I was sitting in front of Anne Michaels (author of the award-winning novel "Fugitive Pieces" which is one of the most beautiful books written in the past ten years!) She kept carrying on about Joni as a brilliant poet...which is high praise from a writer who has been praised for her poetry and novels by several of her peers, especially Michael Ondaatje! If anyone is interested in a great book, then read "Fugitive Pieces"...you won't regret it! This message is for the designated recipient only and may contain privileged or confidential information. If you have received it in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the original. Any other use of the email by you is prohibited. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 14:16:49 EDT From: Jennymac48@aol.com Subject: larry klein's movie Hey kids, So I'm home sick and I see a movie called Sugar Town in the cable listings. I tune in and see Rosanna Arquette and a bunch of other fringe stars and then on comes this guy who looks vaguely familiar, like I know him for real from somewhere but I can't place him. And he's playing this sleezy music manager type creep. And it turns out to be Larry freakin' Klein! Has anyone else seen this piece of drek? Since when is Larry Klein in the movies???? Love JennyMac ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 17:05:37 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: laura nyro's birthday sjc longish today laura nyro would have turned 54. here's a passage from http://www.lauranyro.com/ that i'd like to share with you. ''Through the years Lauras albums have reflected various musical explorations from simple, down-home singing, to wild orchestrations resembling abstract art. Robert Hilburn of The Los Angeles Times, wrote about Laura, Her contributions have paved the way for the rise of the urban female singer-songwriter. And Jon Pareles amplified this in The New York Times: If not for Laura Nyro the music of Rickie Lee Jones, Joni Mitchell, and Teena Marie might have been very different. When she released her first album in 1966, Nyro was a nineteen-year old who linked high flown poetry to the ecstatic emotions of soul music, and her singing mixed the pure tones of a soprano with the throbs and swoops of gospel and jazz. The music she made, noted Concerts East magazine, was a building block for an important group of contemporary artists, particularly in the way they cross- bred jazz, R&B, and pop, while poetically exploring the range of their emotions. Her voice has been described as a blues soprano, a rich, charcoal-smudged alto, a soul singer who soars - she can make you feel it deep down. Daily Variety wrote, Nyro still has an astonishing voice, a kind of melting, pure-toned soprano, loaded with feeling, that seems drawn in equal measure from some private inner cathedral, and the doo-wop streets of her youth. '' dear laura, you, joni and rickie have taught me all i will ever learn and know. i wish i could been a better student. i love you, laura. wallyK ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 17:02:25 -0400 From: Gary Zack Subject: Re: larry klein's movie > Hi Jenny, > > Haven't seen that one but I did discover that Larry also had a very > fleeting part, as a part of the "band" toward the end of the movie, > "Loverboy" with Patrick Dempsey. > > Guess he pops up in flicks once in awhile! > > Best, > > Gary > > Jennymac48@aol.com wrote: > > > > Hey kids, > > So I'm home sick and I see a movie called Sugar Town in the cable listings. I > > tune in and see Rosanna Arquette and a bunch of other fringe stars and then > > on comes this guy who looks vaguely familiar, like I know him for real from > > somewhere but I can't place him. And he's playing this sleezy music manager > > type creep. And it turns out to be Larry freakin' Klein! Has anyone else seen > > this piece of drek? Since when is Larry Klein in the movies???? > > Love > > JennyMac ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 17:57:13 -0700 From: "Brenda J. Walker" Subject: Ryan Adams - VLJC Ryan Adams, former leader of now defunct, alt-country posterchildren Whiskeytown, has a new release out titled "Gold." While I had remained admittedly skeptical about this young man because of the blistering hype surrounding the last Whiskeytown record, I have now been happily converted. "Gold" is definitely a mixed bag. But some of the songs are so breathtakingly beautiful ("Wild Flowers" and "When the Stars Go Blue") that its easy to forgive him for his rambling and reckless rock star demeanour (whether it is put on or true, doesn't matter with songwriting this good). This is a traveling record and you can feel his journey from a cramped New York apartment to spaced out and spacey LA. For the bit of Joni content, it reminds me of "Blue" in that way - a traveler's paean to California's glistening sunsets which serve as a backdrop to various reflections on love ("Goodnight Hollywood Boulevard" and "La Cienega Just Smiled"). All of you fans of 70's California country-rock should give this guy a try. I don't think you'll be disappointed. Brenda n.p.: Ryan Adams - "New York, New York" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 02:32:12 +0100 From: "Preet" Subject: London's November Swan Song 09 Nov Michael Brecker Union Chapel #15 10 Nov Wayne Shorter Royal Festival Hall #25 19 Nov Herbie Hancock 19th Forum #20 22 Nov Shakin' Stevens Pizza Express SW1 #3.50 Curse the London Jazz Festival. With a realistically disappointing chance of seeing Joan on stage, gosh it's gonna be a dear month! Now to book those tickets ... Preet Dhanoa preetd@bigfoot.com NP: Whoa Nelly [demime 0.97c removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had a name of winmail.dat] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 18:29:14 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: JM Biography- dumb question > It'll be available in the US, Terry...they just have to negotiate all the details. > > I'm holding out for a US copy as well. > > Bob Travis ordered one for me and it arrived yesterday. I've only glanced at but can't wait to dive in! Mark E. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 23:28:42 EDT From: RobSher50@aol.com Subject: Re: Doctor's pills give you brand new ills (SJC) Dear Colin, It's so weird that I've been listening to this very song all day today while working. I haven't pulled out my Turbulent Indigo CD for quite a while. It's an absolutely fantastic CD. A friend's mother (who also became my friend) was prescribed Lithium back in the 70's for her depression. I came over one day to visit her and was blown away by the change in her personality. She was acting like she was living in slow motion. I have suffered from depression all of my life, but after seeing her and another ex-schoolmate on Thorazine, I swore that I would never take any pills. Even back then, I felt that they would be extremely bad for me personally. After reading your post, I now know that I was not wrong, at least for myself. It's hard to fight depression cold turkey, but I've done it for many years. One of the tricks I have recently learned is to drink a cup of coffee, especially after a bad night. For some reason, the chemicals in the brain go wacky and I have found that coffee helps my brain get back into gear. I've never admitted that I suffer from depression. I've seen how people are treated in the workplace when they admit a vulnerability such as depression or any type of dependency. They are treated like damaged goods and it is done in such a sneaky way, it's hard to prove. Now that I am no longer in the workplace, I can finally come to honest terms with what I have hidden for years. You guys are the first people I've admitted this to because you are my Jonilista family! Sherelle-NP Dave Koz-The Dance (Be Be Winans singing) In a message dated 10/17/2001 10:30:21 AM Pacific Daylight Time, les@jmdl.com writes: > Getting off was hell. other drugs for my Bipolar have caused me liver > trouble(cirrhosis) and heart probelms. Which is why I refuse to take > meds now. Many drugs, especially the psych drugs, cause bad side > effects-some casue brain damage and the damage can be permanent. I don't > think people fulyy understand the eeffect of these drugs nor the > suffering they cause to the person taking them. If they did, they might > not clamour for people with mental health probs to take them. eevn the > modern antui depressants like Prozac have serious side effects in some > people. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 00:01:58 EDT From: Lazyasz@aol.com Subject: My personal setlist (wishlist) for the upcoming orchestral Project. Coyote The Sire of Sorrow (Job'sSad Song) Judgement of the Moon andStars (Ludwig's Tune) For the Roses Just Like This Train The Last Time I Saw Richard Refuge of the Roads Borderline Cherokee Louise The Dawntreader Shadows and Light (With the Master Chorale) Impossible Dreamer Hejira God Must be a Boogie Man Woodstock Cactus Tree Jericho The Beat of Black Wings Shades of Scarlett Conquering Let the Wind Carry Me Blonde in the Bleachers Woman of Heart and Mind Love Songs to Aging Children Come This list includes songs which were already mentioned by Joni in the Billboard article. I know that its a little heavy on FTR tunes but hearing that this record was partly inspired by Beethoven I think it is appropriate. I'd be interested in hearing comments on my list. I'd also be interested in hearing your personal selections for the project regardless of what the eventual outcome will be. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 17:18:40 +1300 From: "hell" Subject: Re: was JM Biography, now Covers Collection and Jonifest Bob wrote: > I'd be glad to make her copies, but only for blanks & postage, because if > she sent me a check for expenses I'd never cash it! LOL! Although she > could sketch something on a napkin or 3x5 card...that would have some > value as well! I haven't forgotten about my offer to make the wooden box for this, although it might need it's own seat on the plane the way this project is growing (those mileage-plus miles could be useful)! Haven't found the time (or the inspiration I need) just yet, but will attempt a prototype over the coming months, definitely. Kakki and I also discussed this at some length, and thought it would be easy for lots of people to be involved. One person could design a label, one the front cover, one the back cover, one the inside cover, etc., etc. for each CD. With 25+ CDs, there's one hundred people already! Any thoughts from anyone else? Bob? - it's your baby, after all! <> > > And just a quick footnote here...the Bob in question is Mr. Murphy and not me...and it IS outstanding work all the way 'round. I agree - a magnificent job on the Jonifest 2001 web-pages, from all concerned! Every time I read the drunken ramblings of Smurph, Alison, etc. I just about die laughing! Hell ____________________________ "To have great poets, there must be great audiences too." - Walt Whitman hell@ihug.co.nz Hell's Personal Photo Page: http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hell/main/personal.htm Visit the NBLs (Natural Born Losers) at: http://www.nbls.co.nz ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 01:34:40 -0400 From: "jlamadoo, home account" Subject: Subject: Anne's CD Voice mail for Anne: 864-233-7584 Leave a message 8-3 east coast time (1PM Greenwich Mean Time through 8PM Greenwich Mean Time) Bob Muller said: - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 20:17:52 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Anne's CD Isn't Joni just something? (so much for the Joni content) OK, Anne's surgery is scheduled for NEXT Friday, the 26th. So that means if you want to be a part of our "recording" project for her, you still have time. If you've been deleting digests, I'm collecting messages of love, faith & support for Anne and compiling them on a CD to send her. She'll use the messages to draw strength and in a way it'll be like we're there holding her hand. So, if you think it's too late to pitch in, it's not. You can send me a recording, tape or CD, or you can e-mail an Mp3 or a wav. file, or you can just call me and leave a message on my recorder, and through the miracle of modern technology and Playskool toys I'll do the Henry Lewy business! :~) Hey, call from work and it's free! Just be sure to call between the hours of 8-3 east coast time. If you screw up and call at the wrong time (as one of you crazy girls did & you know I love you for it!), no problem, I'll just tell you to call back and I'll let it record. My phone number....864-233-7584 Imagine that YOU are in Anne's place, and about to face something that put you in a place of much anxiety. Wouldn't it be great to hear from your JMDL brothers & sisters to feel the power that comes from this group? I'm not twisting anyone's arm, and I appreciate that everyone responds in the manner that suits them. Thanks for your time...I've gotten a good response, but if you feel so moved to chime in, please do so. Love & peace to ya, Bob NP: Ani, "freakshow" - ------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 23:50:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Nuriel Tobias Subject: Re: larry klein's movie The film is called "Sugar Town" (1999). The interesting thing is that Rossana, here playing an actress who falls in love with a musician, had, in her real life, a long romance with...Peter Gabriel! So here's another Joni friend!(What was that My Secret Place film she saw in NYC, mmmm?) - --- Gary Zack > wrote: >> Hi Jenny, >> >> Haven't seen that one but I did discover that Larry also had a very >> fleeting part, as a part of the "band" toward the end of the movie, >> "Loverboy" with Patrick Dempsey. >> >> Guess he pops up in flicks once in awhile! >> >> Best, >> >> Gary >> >> Jennymac48@aol.com wrote: >> > >> > Hey kids, >> > So I'm home sick and I see a movie called Sugar Town in the cable listings. I >> > tune in and see Rosanna Arquette and a bunch of other fringe stars and then >> > on comes this guy who looks vaguely familiar, like I know him for real from >> > somewhere but I can't place him. And he's playing this sleezy music manager >> > type creep. And it turns out to be Larry freakin' Klein! Has anyone else seen >> > this piece of drek? Since when is Larry Klein in the movies???? >> > Love >> > JennyMac _____________________________________________________________ Free email, web pages, news, entertainment, weather and MORE! Check out -------------------------------> http://wowmail.com ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2001 #325 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she?