From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2001 #322 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Wednesday, October 17 2001 Volume 2001 : Number 322 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Today's Articles: October 16 [les@jmdl.com] It's "Officially" Done!!!!!!!!! [AsharaJM@aol.com] Doctor's pills give you brand new ills? ["joniphile" ] RE: Bay Area Get-together -- yes!!! [BigWaltinSF@aol.com] What song? [BigWaltinSF@aol.com] What song? [BigWaltinSF@aol.com] Re: What song? [RoseMJoy@aol.com] The Jonifest 2001 Webpage [AsharaJM@aol.com] Re: What song? [BigWaltinSF@aol.com] RE: you're welcome! ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: What song? [TimandMaryPowers@aol.com] Re: What song? [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] NORAID? ["Dolphie Bush" ] Joni to Unveil Star in Toronto, Friday at Noon!! ["J. R. Mills" ] Re: Doctor's pills give you brand new ills? [Catherine McKay Subject: Doctor's pills give you brand new ills? Hi all, I have joined the discussion list for a while now and this is my first post. In "Sex kills", Joni wrote "...doctor's pills give you brand new ills..." Does anyone know if she was referring to her own situation back then? I remembered from some interview that she was having a lot of personal stresses during the "Turbulent Indigo" period, ill health being part of it. Hence also the Job's song. I am asking this because I am currently suffering bad withdrawal symptoms from tranquillisers prescribed to me by some irresponsible doctor, for insomnia. I have to taper them off slowly now and I feel terrible most days. I am angry about it. I can't help wondering if Joni was referring to a similar experience, maybe addicted on some sleeping pills?? For one thing, her chain smoking is an addiction. For another, I remember from another article that she had peculiar sleeping habits. BTW, Stevie Nicks was also addicted on tranquillisers previously. She recently went on TV to talk about her battle with it. Justin ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 09:13:46 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Doctor's pills give you brand new ills? <> I haven't heard her address this *specifically*, Justin, but you can't help but believe that she was referring to the medical problems she had in the 80's & 90's. Her philosophy here is one I whole-heartedly agree with. I think our culture is too quick to want to pop a pill to fix themselves in lieu of seeking to correct what truly is causing the problem. Mind you, I realize that medicine is great stuff and has its place. I just think we can take it too far sometimes. Thanks for the post, and good luck with your situation...and hey, WELCOME to the Joni List! :~) Bob NP (Now Playing) Supertramp, "Goodbye Stranger" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 09:28:07 EDT From: Reuben3rd@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni/Gap I remember seeing this photo in Rolling Stone a few times when the campaign was running. I'm sure I pulled one out at the time, I'll see if I can dig it up and get the name of the photographer. Reuben ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 09:31:57 EDT From: Reuben3rd@aol.com Subject: Re: Judy Collins in Q (sjc) From "Dorothy"...I love that one. Judy is another one who gets a lot of credit for her early to mid period, but her trio of late 70's early 80's albums sometimes get lost in the shuffle. "Hard Times For Lovers", "Times of Our Lives", and "Running For My Life" are good records, and some of my favorites of Judy's..."Angel On My Side", "Mama Mama", "Almost Free", "I Remember Sky"...lots of good tracks on these three. Reuben >>Don't have a lot of Judy, three albums, but the ones I have I really like, especially hard times for lovers. "there ain't no way to stand Kansas when you been to Oz". wow. mack<< ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 10:14:05 -0400 From: Anne Sandstrom Subject: RE: you're welcome! Hi Kate. I hope you don't mind me sharing my response to you with the list. As you read, I'll think you'll see why I wanted to share these thoughts. > please keep writing to the list, I love hearing your thoughts! Thanks you. And even though we don't share the same point of view on the war, I enjoy reading your posts. You make me think. You inspire me to consider all options. And even though you don't change my mind, you expand my thinking. It's so tempting to try to mold everyone in our own image. But we need the variety of views to see all possibilities. Your voice is just as important and as American as anyone's. Thank for participating in this important debate. "and that's what it's all about, Charlie Brown..." lots of love Anne ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 11:59:05 EDT From: BigWaltinSF@aol.com Subject: RE: Bay Area Get-together -- yes!!! Hey, Darice -- I like the idea of the 7th as well, for obvious reasons, and my schedule is quite free, but if some people would have trouble attending unless it's a weekend, I'd be willing to move it to one weekend or the other -- as long as it's after I'm back in SF, on the 24th. Location-wise -- I kinda prefer SF itself, but if the majority preferred Sausolito, that would be okay, as long as we could carpool -- I'm probably not the only city rat without a car. Also, as I mentioned, there *are* no more smoky dives here in SF (as per Case of You, cover of Bother Sides Now, Richard...), but hopefully the place you mentioned on Chestnut (Mezes, was it?) isn't prohibitively expensive. [By the way, I'm sure you've organized things before, but just in case, I should remind you that as suggestions come in, you'll find you can't please everyone. This is such a nice thing for you to do, and don't let it stress you.] Also by the way, have you invited the following people: richard2sf@earthlink.net (Richard Goldman), john@snapinc.com (John Goldsmith), MGVal@aol.com (not sure of her name), and Russ Bowden (Rustytrazom[?].something -- I didn't bring his e-mail address with me -- do you know it? if not, put a request on the list, and I'm sure he'll reply). Sorry if you've already done all this. It's hard to know who knows whom, as I've only been a jmdler for two months, and am only now getting to know people. Hugs and much appreciation for organizing this, Walt Breen ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 12:33:47 EDT From: BigWaltinSF@aol.com Subject: What song? Hey, Mary (and everyone), what song is this from -- or is it a poem? It sounds profoundly early-joni-ish, but I can't locate it in my mind. Perhaps one of the songs I don't know? >People hurry by so quickly Don't they hear the melodies In the chiming and the clicking And the laughing harmonies< Thanks, Walt (still in RI) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 12:33:58 EDT From: BigWaltinSF@aol.com Subject: What song? Hey, Mary (and everyone), what song is this from -- or is it a poem? It sounds profoundly early-joni-ish, but I can't locate it in my mind. Perhaps one of the songs I don't know? >People hurry by so quickly Don't they hear the melodies In the chiming and the clicking And the laughing harmonies< Thanks, Walt (still in RI) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 12:49:11 EDT From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: What song? In a message dated 10/16/01 12:35:17 PM Eastern Daylight Time, BigWaltinSF@aol.com writes: > >People hurry by so quickly > Don't they hear the melodies > In the chiming and the clicking > And the laughing harmonies< > > They are some of the lyrics to "Songs to aging children come" from her Clouds album. Rose in NJ rosemjoy@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 14:48:44 EDT From: AsharaJM@aol.com Subject: The Jonifest 2001 Webpage I don't know if you are all aware of the fact that there are actually 394 pictures on the Jonifest 2001 page, not just the ones that are with the text. To see them all, just use the search engine and click on display all, or search by day. Hugs, Ashara ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 15:23:41 EDT From: BigWaltinSF@aol.com Subject: Re: What song? I asked about the lyric that Mary closed her posts with. Bob (Murphy) said: It's "Songs to Aging Children Come". Do I win anything? Just my red face. I'm such an aging child I'm beginning to forget lyrics. Walt ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 12:08:06 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: RE: you're welcome! i don't mind you sharing this with the list at all anne... like you, i love hearing other peoples points of view, whether i am in agreement or not i always learn something...i especially love when people's posts are from the heart & respectful of others like yours always are... "Your voice is just as important and as American as anyone's." oh anne, thank you so much for saying this...xxxooo i have been so reflective lately...one of the things i have been thinking about is how much i enjoy being on this list...i have learned so much about joni & oh so many other subjects!...sometimes when the going gets rocky i wonder if its worth it...but weathering the storms, it always is... ******************************************** Kate Bennett www.katebennett.com sponsored by Polysonics www.polysonics.com Discover the Indies at Taylor Guitars: http://www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/bennett.html ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 15:36:47 EDT From: TimandMaryPowers@aol.com Subject: Re: What song? hi Walt, "Songs to Aging Children Come" is actually not one of my most favorite Joni songs, although I like it. I just really like those lyrics. question - what is your favorite Joni song and why? does it change over time? if I had to pick one, I'd say "amelia" although I like "urge for going" and "little green" almost as much. otherwise, it depends on what I'm listening to. Mary (no Joni quote since I'm not sending this from my home account) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 15:41:16 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: What song? <> Nothing to apologize for, Walt...I'd be surprised if half of this crowd could have identified those as quickly as Smurph, unless they were using the search tool on the JMDL! Sadly, Clouds is generally one of Joni's least popular records here, and I think it's one of her prettiest. And every song on it (The Gallery being the exception) has been covered by someone! And BSN by LOTS of someones, I'm almost over the 200 mark in identifying them.... Bob NP: Etta James, "At Last" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 15:20:37 -0500 From: "Dolphie Bush" Subject: NORAID? I have also never heard of or read anything concerning NORAID. Mack ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 14:12:36 -0700 From: "J. R. Mills" Subject: Joni to Unveil Star in Toronto, Friday at Noon!! The Toronto Sun October 16, 2001 Tuesday I hope someone can be there to take photos and say hi to Joni for me! :-) - -Julius ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 17:35:12 EDT From: Merk54@aol.com Subject: Patti Smith Garret, Thanks for sharing Patti's 'diary' with us - very moving and insightful. I share alot of her feelings, though could never convey them as beautifully. Of course, that's the role that great poets are supposed to play. Now, if only a certain Ms. Mitchell would follow suit... Jack ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 21:21:41 -0500 From: johnirving Subject: New Joni material? Hi gang,, I just popped over to Amazon.co.uk and placed an order for the Joni biography! Thanks for the tip. And Jim is such a cracker jack on the spot posting a link up on JM.com. You guys are too good, Jim. Really beautiful people. I noticed on the order page mentions of other (new?) Joni material. Anyone with information on this stuff: Memoir. ~Joni Mitchell. Paperback 2 September, 1999. Rc487 Memoir. Random House Audiobooks. Audio cassette. 31 December, 2000. The New Best of Joni Mitchell. ~Joni Mitchell, Carol Cuellar (Editor) Paperback. April 1993 Autobiography. ~Joni Mitchell. Special Order. Chatto and Windus. Hardcover. 31 December, 2000. Art Book. ~Joni Mitchell. Chatto and Windus. Hardcover. 31 December, 200l. What's the word on this stuff? Do I have more shopping to do? -Thanks. John. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 23:04:43 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Doctor's pills give you brand new ills? - --- SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: > < situation back then? >> > > I haven't heard her address this *specifically*, > Justin, but you can't help but believe that she was > referring to the medical problems she had in the > 80's & 90's. Her philosophy here is one I > whole-heartedly agree with. I think our culture is > too quick to want to pop a pill to fix themselves in > lieu of seeking to correct what truly is causing the > problem. > Welcome, Justin. There's another explanation for this too - often people who take one kind of drug to fix one kind of ill, end up having to take some other drug to counteract some of the bad effects of the first. Case in point - I was prescribed a drug a few years ago to deal with pain from plantar fasciitis. It's a heavy-duty anti-inflammatory used for arthritis, so you have to ALSO take this other drug that will buffer your stomach so you don't develop ulcers and so on. Or, when my mother had cancer, she was taking pills and chemo for the cancer but then she had to take other stuff to alleviate the nausea from the chemo. And something else to try to increase bone mass. And blood transfusions because of something else. And on it goes. Doctors pills give you brand new ills, and the bills bury you like an avalanche (esp. if you don't have a drug plan!) Ease off the tranquilizers slowly and preferably under the supervision of a doc you can trust - unfortunately, you can't just *stop* taking the damn things, or you'll end up with a whole mess of trouble, including dizzy spells, headaches, nausea, the list goes on. Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 02:57:05 EDT From: Coyote4Joni@aol.com Subject: Joni Mitchell - A Tribute In Song - in Toronto (LONG - 100% JC - Get Coffee) Dear Correspondents: Tonight, JMDLer Jimmy Stewart from Fort Myers, FL and I attended Canada's tribute to Joni's music. It was absolutely fantastic for someone who appreciates excellent music, not to mention dyed in the wool Joni fans such as Jimmy and I. I'll just start off by saying we thought it was even better than the TNT tribute done some time ago. I'll get to the setlist and JimmyRick critique in a minute but first would like to describe the venue. It is a small theatre (the Premiere Dance Theatre) seating maybe 300 people in the Harbourfront district. The acoustics were perfect and there were no bad seats, even with open seating. The theatre is located on the 3rd floor of a huge, lovely office/retail complex located on the waterfront. It appears to be the adaptive reuse of a large, old maritime building, but I'll leave that to the residents of this part of Canada to verify. To use the word classy is to understate the atmosphere of the evening. Joni would be so damn proud of her country men and women's work. Musical Director, Aaron Davis put together an evening rivaling that of the most celebrated Hollywood or New York counterpart. Our quick count showed about 200 people in attendance. Okay, now let's start the music. The tribute opened with the introduction of the band which was so amazing in their perfection they deserve credit here (as introduced): Rob Piltch on guitar, Kevin Breit on lead guitar and strings, George Koller on bass, Mark Kelso on drums (man, you should see this guy in the flesh!), John Johnson on woodwinds, and as mentioned Aaron Davis (soon to be musical director of Holly Cole's European tour) as musical director and playing keyboards. The first singer was Suzie Vinnick, whose new release ThirtyThree Stars is due soon. Suzie first sang a riveting WOODSTOCK in a style similar to that JM would employ. She has a very sweet, soulful voice. I felt a Melissa Ethridge quality. She followed this up with her swinging version of BIG YELLOW TAXI. This included a sax highlight by John Johnson which was wonderful. She played acoustic guitar and had a large following in the audience. What a start! Next we moved to Jimmy's favorite, the sultry Rebecca Jenkins - Michelle Phfieffer (sp) look-a-like with the voice of Allanis Morriset (sp). Her first task was FOR FREE which was stunning - especially the finish which was about two minutes of an enchanting REAL GOOD refrain. Blew us all away. She moved to another stunning rendition of MORGANTOWN which was mystical with back-up singer David Sereda (best left on back-up, but more of that in a minute). In this, John Johnson performed a clarinet solo which was as mystical as Rebecca's interpretation of MORGANTOWN. Our next delight was Tuku, an African-American woman with a Chaka Kahn appeal (and dred locks (sp)) wearing a beautiful camouflage dress. Her voice was that of a soft Lauren Hill. Tuku's first number was WOMAN OF HEART AND MIND which was backed up by heavy drums, percussion, bass, and piano. After much applause, she moved to ALL I WANT which featured a cool clarinet solo, heavy drums, electric guitar, and piano accompaniment. She finished this with a stylized "FREE" refrain, again for about two minutes. You can't fathom how many ways that word can be sung -- it was astonisinhg. Next up was the aforementioned David Sereda. David is an absolute fan of JM. He has a show at the Stray Dog Salon here in Toronto called Joni Nights. He has also written an opera called the "Twelve Minute Opera." He is a very talented musician with a highly trained, pure voice probably more suitable for Broadway than that of this venue. His first number was HEJIRA. He hit every note perfectly, but it sounded as if it were an excerpt from a perfectly executed Broadway show than a tribute to JM. Think Joel Gray in looks in a Sondheim production. I was disappointed in his next number A CASE OF YOU which he did perfectly but without the commitment I think a woman brings to the song. In fact, Jimmy and I said a man should never sing that song and we hope it never happens again in our lifetime. David is a great guy and I loved that he said Joni's music is words in love with music and harmonies in love with melodies. It's a perfect foursome. Glad that was over, the next performer was the redeemer Martina Sorbara who starts a US tour very soon. She chose Rebecca Jenkins as her back-up on CAREY! WOW! It was amazing the fun they had and how well they sang this song. Martina is totally cool in her parachute pants exposing her naval ring. She was the first that made CAREY sound brand new with a Dance Club remix soon to follow. Again with Jenkins she did HOW DO YOU STOP - again young, current, and totally a tune of 2001. The band was a bit loud and maybe overpowered her at times -- but it was still an incredible performance. Intermission was next. Here's a thought from Jimmy: If we think we are the only ardent JM fans, folks, we are wrong. These kids (for the most part) can put us all to shame. Back to our seats. Songwriter Mark Jordan is up next -- he looked as if he has been up for three days and let Bob Dylan do his hair. He may write songs for Rod Stewart, Cher, Kennny Loggins, and Natalie Cole, but this guy can also sing. He did BSN in a jazzy manner followed by MICHAEL FROM MOUNTAINS in a more traditional manner. He used printed music for both (unlike everyone else, except one) accompanied by light piano and drums. It was a totally unplugged performance and quite nice. Boy, if that was acoustic -- we weren't ready for Ember Swift! She's Toronto's lead singer of the year and a well deserved title. This girl is beautiful and has the voice of a hardened angel. Kinda punk. She started with a personal tribute to JM admiring her huge influence on women in music. To paraphrase, she noted JM's statement that JM does what she wants to do and is not a feminist. She made music as a musician genderless. YEAH! She did a nearly PUNK version of LESSON IN SURVIVAL followed by a very jazzed version of DRY CLEANER FROM DES MOINES. Wow! She even (for lack of a better word) imitated the sound of a trombone throughout the song -- it was amazing and blew the audience away. Watch this girl. I bought her CD. Then they brought on Jane Siberry, a Canadian (?) treasure. Certainly the most well-known and maybe most anticipated act of then night. Well, what can we say? We know she did Joni's Jazz and she has a lot of fans on the JMDL. But, she was just mediocre tonight. Certainly she has a very nice voice, but she didn't seem connected to the music and like Mr. Jordan, used printed music to lead her through her set. It was more like a recital than the other artists we saw. On a bitchy note, Jimmy thought she looked like Meryl Streep in Death Becomes Her in terms of her appearance. Nuff said. Oh yeah, she sang SISOTOWBELL LANE and an unemotional AMELIA. Guess we all have our bad nights. Then we had Emm Gryner, who toured (or will tour?) with Bowie and has done her sixth album for an independent label. Oh man, you guys should have heard this. She did LITTLE GREEN - just her and the piano. Then she called Tuku on stage to back her up for HELP ME. Get the hell out of the way Wynnona and k.d.! This is the only song of the night that the audience applauded when it started. Good old POP 40 stuff. I have NEVER heard a better interpretation. It left my heart pounding. Well, that was it -- except for the finale. All gather back on stage except "the stars," Jordan and Siberry for SHADOWS AND LIGHT. A perfect song for the finale. It was a bit awkward, but all pulled it off beautifully and left the crowd to a standing ovation. Jimmy and I were so happy to have been there. It was one of those events that happen so rarely for fans of an obscure, yet enduring artist. Our only regret was that more of us from the JMDL weren't there to share in this joy. (Please excuse typos and misspellings -- it's late, but we were committed to making this post before bedtime.) No regrets, Coyote Rick (and Jimmy) Casa Alegre (actually Executive Apartments) Hollywood, California (actually T.O.) ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2001 #322 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she?