From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2001 #320 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Monday, October 15 2001 Volume 2001 : Number 320 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Today's Articles: October 14 [les@jmdl.com] Re: Q Review of 'Shadows & Light' ["Paul Castle" ] Re: Joni meets Phil [Gertus@aol.com] Re: Joni meets Phil [colin ] Clive and the postino [Mauski4648@aol.com] Re: Joni meets Phil [Gertus@aol.com] Re: Joni meets Phil [colin ] Thisbe Nissen and Joni [christopher blake ] Bay Area Get-together -- yes!!! [BigWaltinSF@aol.com] Re: San Francisco get-together ["J. R. Mills" ] Two Down - Two to go! [Susan Guzzi ] Re: Two Down - Two to go! ["Mark or Travis" ] SF Get Together & Happy Birthday [Leslie Mixon ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2001 03:00:38 -0400 From: les@jmdl.com Subject: Today's Articles: October 14 On October 14 this article was published: 1998: "Joni Mitchell, Still Good And Mad" - Washington Post (Review - Album) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/docs/981014wp.cfm - ------------------------ The JMDL Article Database has 635 titles. http://www.jmdl.com/articles ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2001 11:14:46 +0100 From: "Paul Castle" Subject: Re: Q Review of 'Shadows & Light' > > Mitchell's recurrent clashes > > with cloth-headed sexism, particularly > > pronounced during the first phase of > > her progress Catherine anima_rising@yahoo.ca asked > Does anyone have any idea what cloth-headed sexism is > supposed to mean, as is this quote from the Q article: When I first heard Joni - not that long after the release of STAS - I was immediately attracted by her musicality and lyricism - I'd not heard the like before - and, when I first saw her at the Festival Hall here, not long after, it was pretty irrelevant to me liking her and wanting to buy her albums that she happened to also be an extremely attractive and charismatic woman. So I, too, was amazed to read in Karen O'Brien's book that some bright spark record company marketing executive chappy had chosen to concentrate on a nudge nudge wink wink 'liberated' (know what I mean?!) media hippy chick image to launch Joni's music to the world. Whilst she did apparently retain a very high level of control over her artistic image (for the day, at least), it seems that 'the star-maker machinery' was more interested in what we would call "going for the tabloids". I admit I've been guilty myself on occasion (in the past!!) of saying to friends that "For my money, Joni Mitchell is by far the best female guitarist" - without really thinking what a cloth-headed sexist remark that is. &&&&& (&&&&&&&&) ( < (.) (.) > ) () ( ---- ) ... PaulC ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2001 09:00:06 EDT From: Gertus@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni meets Phil From the Daily Telegraph 13th Oct 2001 by Craig Brown. >>How We Met (5): Joni and Phil Mitchell Joni Mitchell: I'd been playing Hyde Park. The sunshine had been holding my guitar that day, and the gentle breeze had been strumming it. It was all so sweet and high. We were stardust. I'd just come offstage, and I was on a cloud, walking in the park, getting my head what had been blowing our minds, listening to the hissing of summer lawns, humming a simple song of trees and leaves and merry-go-rounds to myself. And then this guy comes up. Phil Mitchell: And I said, cut it out, willya? Can't hear myself think with that racket goin' on. I've 'ad your bloody 'umming up to 'ear! Joni: I'd never heard any human soul speak that way before. So blunt. So coarse. So.....direct. I thought to myself "This is the voice of heaven." Phil: And she carried on with that hummin' like nobody's business, so I says, "Give it a rest. Shut it!" Joni: I stopped humming. And there was this silence. I looked at my beautiful stranger and I said, "You are the sun. And I am the moon. Maybe we should get together." Phil: And I said, "Don't start" I fort to meself "I've just abaht had enuffa this!" But I looked at her agin and I fort, "Hmm...tasty bird." Joni: We were married the next day, two doves afloat on a sea of love. But soon our boats began to drift apart. Phil: It was always songs, songs, songs. Mornin', noon and wodever. I couldn't take it. I were that stressed. In the end, I jist snapped. I said, "I don't bloody care if you've looked at life from both sides now, Joni. I don't wantcha to look at it from any sides no more. - ave you got that?" Joni: So I went along, just me and my guitar, to the Queen Victoria bar, and I offered to play for free, singing of soft summer days and silk in the evening sun. Phil: And they all screamed, "Give it a bloody rest, Joni!" Joni: Nobody stopped to hear me, though I wanted to play so sweet. So I left with a sad farewell, my friends. Phil: I never 'eard from 'er again. Good riddance or what? Tell you what, I learnt my lesson. I'll never marry a singer-songwriter agin. Nah. I bin dahn that road.<< Wierd! Jacky ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2001 15:47:02 +0100 From: colin Subject: Re: Joni meets Phil Thanks jacky. only one small comment: Phil finks. he doesn't think! god, todays omnibus left my face wet. this is definately the best soap and certainly the best acted. pity there are no likaeble people in it-cept maybe Pat and Sonia. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2001 11:54:30 EDT From: Mauski4648@aol.com Subject: Clive and the postino Right you are about the postino, especially the scene where Neruda explains to the postman what metaphors are while walking by the beach....Karin From Germany ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2001 12:11:24 EDT From: Gertus@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni meets Phil In a message dated 14/10/01 15:35:21 GMT Daylight Time, colin@tantra-apso.com writes: > only one small comment: Phil finks. he doesn't think! Very true but I didn't write it! > > god, todays omnibus left my face wet. this is definately the best soap and > certainly the best acted. pity there are no likaeble people in it-cept maybe > Pat > and Sonia. > Unfortunately, I've never actually watched Eastenders! Hard to believe, I know, but I just don't have the time. My kids watch it though and were very excited a few years ago because Grant Mitchell was supposed to have bought a house just down the road from here and was certainly spotted by a few people, but not by us. Also, Colin, you wrote:- >Tit for tat is not moral. The killing of 7000 people at the wtc was appaling. the killing of inncent afghans is likewise. shifting the blame to the Taleban for the deaths of afghans doesn't wash.< I'm with you on this and also your comments regarding US support for the IRA and Tony Blair's recent activities. What does he think he's doing? All the best Jacky ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2001 17:29:27 +0100 From: colin Subject: Re: Joni meets Phil > >Tit for tat is not moral. The killing of 7000 people at the wtc was appaling. > the killing of inncent afghans is likewise. shifting the blame to the Taleban > for the deaths of afghans doesn't wash.< > > I'm with you on this and also your comments regarding US support for the IRA > and Tony Blair's recent activities. What does he think he's doing? making sure he is re elected...? > > All the best > Jacky - -- bw colin DAK,BRO GC, 950i, 940,860,864,890, 260,Silver 830,860, 580 and 270, Passap 6000, Duo80. colin@tantra-apso.com http://www.tantra-apso.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2001 11:19:47 -0700 (PDT) From: christopher blake Subject: Thisbe Nissen and Joni hi all! As i read the Hartford Courant's sunday "arts" section, as is my habit, i came across a curious little item. y'all may have discussed this previously but here i go: quoting Thisbe Nissen's article about her use of song lyrics in her novels: "My novel, 'The Good People of New York' would be about three pages long if you took out all the Joni Mitchell lyrics." has anyone read this book? how does she use the quotes? can anyone recommend it unconditionally? she mentions that one of her characters in another story spoke almost entirely in fleetwood mac lyrics so i wonder if that is the case in this book. Thisbe also mentions in the article that she "used to pretty much only listen to lesbian folksingers." i am pretty sure that Joni is not the former, and would cringe at the latter... p.s. i have not yet totaled the number of students who decided to "sign" Joni to their record labels yet, that will be appearing soon. have an awesome day - chris(topher) Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. http://personals.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2001 16:09:42 EDT From: BigWaltinSF@aol.com Subject: Bay Area Get-together -- yes!!! Darice -- Yes!! I was going to suggest that very thing when I got back from RI -- what do you think of doing it on her birthday -- Nov 7th?? -- but I am completely psyched to meet in person a couple of the people I've chatted with in SF and environs (having finally met my first live jmdler yesterday; hint: think small blue imaginary beings). I haven't gotten through the rest of the latest digest yet, but i had to get right off and respond the moment I saw your post. I hope others have responded! Thrilled at the thought of a get together, Warmly, Walt Breen (usually in SF, but in R.I. at the moment) np: Joni covers # 12, borrowed from a gracious and funny smurph (whoops). Michael Holland has a nice voice (Case of You); never heard of him. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2001 13:41:43 -0700 From: "J. R. Mills" Subject: Re: San Francisco get-together Sounds great to me, Darice. Please count me in. - -Julius > I have noticed so many SF area people on the list and it has been a long time > since we have had a Bay Area Joni-list get-together. > I am happy to help arrange one (before the holiday season ?!?!?) > What does everyone else think about this, MG?, Walt?, Richard?, Julius?, > others? > Darice ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2001 15:22:52 -0700 (PDT) From: Susan Guzzi Subject: Two Down - Two to go! Well here is the post I've been avoiding, because I am so indecisive ... my desert island movies & books ... songs & albums to follow later. Actually it's a miracle I ever got any of these narrowed down but here goes .... Movies: 1. All About Eve ... everything after this in no particular order. One of the last great movies with great dialogue, not to mention 4 or 5 GREAT performances. "And what will Eve have? A milkshake." 2. Being There ... It's so outrageous a notion but because of it's direction and the fabulous Peter Sellers it seems possible! 3. Bonnie & Clyde ... for every reason ever written and Estelle Parsons - "My Eye! My EYE!" 4. Harold & Maude ... Performance, writing music and reasons we've all written about here before. 5. The Manchurian Candidate ... a very good movie made great by one of the most compelling performances I have ever seen - Angela Lansbury. I can't believe we don't hear more about her in this role, way underrated and overlooked. 6. Network ... no mistake here to see a second Faye Dunaway movie. Although they did not like each other in real life, Bette Davis & Faye Dunaway both attack a role in the same way and are similar - to me anyway. 7. Stage Door ... Hepburn, Eve, Ginger, Lucy, Ann all the gals are here and they all live together hmmmm? 8. The Shawshenk Redemption ... Robbins & Freeman, it's inspirational, it's well done and different from all other prison movies. 9. The Wizard of Oz ... how could I keep a movie off this list that I have seen at least 40 times. Also my only musical and the movie I watched with my niece Angela her first time. I always cry when Judy sings "Over the Rainbow" and my little niece noticed and held onto me during the whole song. 10. Rear Window ... Love Hitchcock. Grace Kelly - so nice to look at. Jimmy Stewart & Thelma Ritter, writing - also love "Rope." Honorable Mention - Pulp Fiction so close to making it. May have yesterday. Books: 1. Siddhartha - Hermann Hesse (my spiritual guide) 2. Naked - David Sedaris (my satirical guide) 3. The Bell Jar - Sylvia Plath (so much talent so sad) 4. Pentimento - Lillian Hellman (makes me want to be a writer) 5. The Color Purple - Alice Walker (so empowering) 6. Anything by Anais Nin (beautiful verse just to read aloud on the island) 7. Music for Chameleons - Truman Capote (I love short story writing) 8. Catcher in the Rye - J. D. Salinger (just a classic you can read over & over) 9. Bring On The Empty Horses - David Niven (one of the best books on Hollywood) 10. Atlas Shrugged - Ayn Rand (philosophically my opposite but a great novel nonetheless) Honorable mentions: To Kill a Mockingbird & The Women's Room. Well that's that ... only 2 more list to go! Peace Susan Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. http://personals.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2001 15:53:11 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: Two Down - Two to go! > 7. Stage Door ... Hepburn, Eve, Ginger, Lucy, Ann all > the gals are here and they all live together hmmmm? Another one of my favorites. This is another one that has some fantastic dialogue in it and an amazing ensemble cast. Kate Hepburn & Ginger Rogers bristle at one another and some of Ginger's quips are priceless. Eve Arden and Lucille Ball get in some great ones too. > > 1. Siddhartha - Hermann Hesse (my spiritual guide) > For me it would be 'Demian'. > > 4. Pentimento - Lillian Hellman (makes me want > to be a writer) > I'd have to say 'Three'. It's a single volume with all three of the memoirs in it & some additional commentary by Hellman. Great choices, Susan! I think we'd get along on that island very well! Mark E. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2001 21:58:46 -0700 From: Leslie Mixon Subject: SF Get Together & Happy Birthday Hello Darice: I'd be interested in attending a Bay Area get together. And Happy Birthday to the Culinary Queen, Maggie McNally, a fair lassie if there ever was one! Leslie ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2001 #320 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she?