From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2001 #319 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Sunday, October 14 2001 Volume 2001 : Number 319 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Judy Collins in Q (sjc) ["Paul Castle" ] Joni meets Phil [Gertus@aol.com] [none] ["joseph tischner" ] Re:The delivery guy and the poet film [Chorando6@aol.com] Again, my (and Max's) thanks (sjc) [BigWaltinSF@aol.com] Re: This gay thing [Chorando6@aol.com] San Francisco get-together [daricem@sfpl.lib.ca.us] [none] ["shane mattison" ] [none] ["shane mattison" ] Thoughts while flipping through Vanity Fair (sjc) [BigWaltinSF@aol.com] ooops ["shane mattison" ] Re: Q Review of 'Shadows & Light' ["Paul Castle" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2001 09:57:51 +0100 From: "Paul Castle" Subject: Judy Collins in Q (sjc) Spotted this review in the same edition of Q Magazine: ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Judy Collins The Very Best of Judy Collins Rhino 8122 74374 / 65mins Her cover of Joni Mitchell's Chelsea Morning gave Bill Clinton's daughter her name Overshadowed by Joni Mitchell in the US and Sandy Denny in Britain, Seattle-born Judy Collins did amass a resplendent back catalogue, every highlight of which is included here. From her pre-Byrds cover of Pete Seeger's Turn! Turn! Turn! to her hits with Mitchell's Both Sides Now and Ian Tyson's rodeo lament Someday Soon, through to her definitive torch-ballad version of Send in The Clowns, this has something for everyone. It's also a reminder that Collins not only sang well, enunciating lyrics like an aristocrat reciting Latin, but also penned such minor classics as Since You've Asked and Song for Judith, while inspiring more tributes from her male counter- parts than even Patti Harrison Clapton. **** Sid Griffin Q Magazine (Nov 01) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ PaulC PS It includes BSN and Chelsea Morning but not one of my favourites - Randy Newman's 'I Think It's Going to Rain Today' - - that always makes me want to go and kick a tin can down an empty street - I was kicking leaves on the pavements of North London yesterday afternoon - good therapy!! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2001 05:46:31 EDT From: Gertus@aol.com Subject: Joni meets Phil There's a very strange piece of writing in today's Daily Telegraph (UK national). It describes a fictional meeting between Joni Mitchell and Phil Mitchell (soap character). Very weird. I don't know what the point is but at least the writer demonstrates a knowledge of Joni lyrics. Take a look if you have the chance. Jacky ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2001 08:16:06 -0400 From: "joseph tischner" Subject: [none] AAAAAAARRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I forgot to include Beatty's Reds on my list!! (I knew I'd forget one, and there are possibly more...) This would be way near the top of the list. I'm a sucker for a good romance and Warren and Diane did it perfectly amid a complex and beautiful political revolution. The scene at the train station when she's FINALLY arrived in Russia after months travelling through the worst conditions imaginable, and she's walking the long platform to the end searching the train for her lover whom she didn't know if he'd be alive in the first place. Then she spots him/or he spots her. They fall into each others' arms, tears welling, and he says, "Don't leave me. Don't leave me." THAT'S a movie! And even more heart tugging for me is all the bittersweet narration at the end of the film of all their acquaintances who reminisce having known the couple. Simply beautiful; a perfect film. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2001 17:49:05 EDT From: Chorando6@aol.com Subject: Re:The delivery guy and the poet film The delivery guy and the poet film is 'il postino', about the exiled Chilean poet Pablo Neruda. The film is about his time on the italian island of Capri and the relationship he develops with the local postman. What makes this film particularly affecting is the fact that the actor Massimo Troisi who plays the postman was very ill during the filming with a congenital heart defect, delayed surgery to complete the film and died the day after filming was completed. It would be fair to say that for him the film was a labour of love and that fact coupled with the subject matter of the film centering around his character make for deeply moving cinema. Back to Pablo Neruda: he was awarded the Nobel Prize for poetry in 1971. His love poetry is particulary beautiful and profound. My favourite "If you forget Me" comes from a collection called ' 20 Poemas de Amor y una cancion desesperada'. I urge those who haven't seen the film or read Nerudas Poetry to do both.xx Clive ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2001 18:44:40 EDT From: BigWaltinSF@aol.com Subject: Again, my (and Max's) thanks (sjc) Hi, all -- Again, I'm so grateful for all the notes of support and condolence from so many of you; I thank you, and Max the Wonderdog does. While i was out having lunch, my mother dug up an old picture of him when he was only 3 or 4, looking puzzled at a couple of party balloons. He never knew what to make of them. She picked some Peace (salmon and yellow) roses from the back yard, and placed them in a vace where she'd put the picture on the diningroom table. Sort of a mini-shrine. Again, thanks to all of you in my new cyber-family. Re: the Vanity Fair cover. Wouldn't you know, my subscription expired a month ago. I had to go to two stores -- VF was sold out at the first one -- to get the issue. She looks great, as I'm sure many of you have noticed (Kakki and Steve live, recently!) -- but I wish there was more about her in the issue. Did y'all catch the "contributors" section, where there's another picture including her (Lisa Robinson, a contributing editor is the focus of the picture, but Joni, Beck, Stevie W and Jewel are also visible. It's on page 98, on which same page is an ad for Carole King's new album. She looks great, too! God, I hope the O'Brien Joni bio gets available here (in U.S.) soon! Hugs and a (npimh) wagging tail, Walt ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2001 19:32:52 EDT From: Chorando6@aol.com Subject: Re: This gay thing Dear all here is my take on the validity of the argument for the wrongfullness of homosexuality. Firstly I would like to question those who question the actions of two consenting adults. Remember it is two consenting adults. The issue people have is with a sex act that differs from the supposed Norm. This has to be the focus for any argument that condems homosexuality as wrongful. Putting it bluntly what we're looking at is the act of anal intercourse. Now if as you read this you find yourself bristling and getting angry, flustered, offended or any other reaction that could be classed as uncomfortable, Stop. Try and follow your thoughts, see where they lead you. Do you want to walk away, stop reading, hit the computer screen, hit me? Are you offended? If so then think about that. Could it be that you are fearful of such thoughts, fearful of the images that spring to mind, fearful of the sensations coursing through your body as you try and get your head around such images. We are our own censors, whichever way we try to justify our opinions these justifications are merely shields and barriers we use to distance ourselves from our own desires and experiences and self concepts. Im not saying that everone who finds homosexuality abhorent is gay, that is far too simple and we are more complex than that, what i am saying though is that every kind of predjudice stems from ourselves. Gays are seen as different because we within ourselves feel different, feel alien, feel bad and to take that on board is sometimes too much to contend with. So what we do is push it onto others. What I would like to suggest is that most of us have found in one way or another members of the same sex attractive at some time in our lives. What determines our opinions is our response to those desires. So when someone comes onto the list stating the rightness or wrongness of something, it is important that they spend time looking to themselves rather than outside themselves for their reasons, for i assure you there are no answers outside of ourselves in these matters, only smoke screens. Finally I would like to state that our sexuality is only a small part of who we all are and anal intercourse is practiced by straights and gays alike but the issue 'straight' men(mainly) have is with this very specific sex act between two men. That is where it begins and where it ends. The alpha and the omega. Men have issues with buggery. Maybe you could say men have issues with being passive and vulnerable. Or rather the men who have issues with gays have issues with being seen as passive and vulnerable. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2001 17:38:51 -0700 From: daricem@sfpl.lib.ca.us Subject: San Francisco get-together I have noticed so many SF area people on the list and it has been a long time since we have had a Bay Area Joni-list get-together. I am happy to help arrange one (before the holiday season ?!?!?) What does everyone else think about this, MG?, Walt?, Richard?, Julius?, others? Darice ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2001 19:37:17 -0600 From: "shane mattison" Subject: [none] <> this couldn't be said better, kakki. that's why i extol FDR and Churchill: their experience and integrity made them apply the answer of what was right to fit the particular circumstances. a humorous (no offense, anyone) definition of a socialist: - -someone who has bugger all and wants to share it with you! shane ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2001 19:45:26 -0600 From: "shane mattison" Subject: [none] News Flash! ============= GANDER, NFLD (CP) Latest news reports advise that a cell of 4 terrorists has been operating in Gander, Newfoundland. Police advised earlier today that 3 of the 4 have been detained. The Newfoundland Provincial Police Commissioner stated that the terrorists Bin Sleepin, Bin Drinkin and Bin Fightin have been arrested on immigration issues. The Police advise further that they can find no one fitting the description of the fourth cell member, Bin Workin, in the province. Police are confident that anyone who looks like Workin will be very easy to spot in the community. ============= ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2001 21:38:20 EDT From: BigWaltinSF@aol.com Subject: Thoughts while flipping through Vanity Fair (sjc) Hi, (1) In addition to the cover and p.98, there's a third picture of Joni on p. 116 of Vanity Fair; she's chatting with Emmylou Harris. (2) Has anyone heard anything by Sigur Ros (pictured on p. 153; cute boys...) From the written description, they might sound something like the Cocteau Twins, but we all know how subjective musical reviews/descriptions are. They're from iceland, a quartet apparently... (3) Nice article, with snippets of comments by Bacharach, David, King and Goffin and many, many others, about the Brill Building "Hit Factory". (4) I can't make much sense of the "Rock Snob" Dictionary. Are they telling how to be hip, or making fun of it? Check out "anti-folk". (5)Sheesh, could they puleeeze put page numbers in, once in a while? You can flip through ten or twenty pages before finding one. (6)Their is a nice pic of four young talents on page (?) 300-ish; the only one I've heard or heard of is Nelly Furtado. Anyone know Ambrosia Parsley (poor dear -- hippy parents or...?), Leona Naess, or Kina? (7) Anyone heard Weezer? He sounds like a depressive from the description, but sometimes that makes for interesting music. God, I'm old. Thank god they put some geezers among the Weezers. :-) -- Walt ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2001 21:21:47 -0600 From: "shane mattison" Subject: ooops ooops, sorry for recent no subject and no njc's shane ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2001 07:53:53 +0100 From: "Paul Castle" Subject: Re: Q Review of 'Shadows & Light' Relayer211@aol.com wrote: > when will the book be available in the U.S.??? > > I CAN'T WAIT TO READ > IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! According to Karen, "the US release is currently being negotiated and should be finalised soon . And as for Canada -- the book is being released there this month !" PaulC ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2001 #319 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she?