From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2001 #309 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Thursday, October 4 2001 Volume 2001 : Number 309 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Joni's New Project- Fantasies [Jerry Notaro ] closest brush with celebrity ["Dolphie Bush" ] Re: closest brush with celebrity ["Sybil Skelton" ] Re: closest brush with celebrity [jan ] Re: closest brush with celebrity [RoseMJoy@aol.com] Re: JMDL Digest V2001 #456 [EVRIBUTJON@aol.com] Re: closest brush with celebrity [Murphycopy@aol.com] Re: closest brush with celebrity ["Dolphie Bush" ] Re: closest brush with celebrity [Relayer211@aol.com] Re: closest brush with celebrity [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Joni meeting ["Kakki" ] Re: 40s vs. 60s [FredNow@aol.com] Re: 40s vs. 60s ["Kakki" ] v.i.p.'s (very minimal jc) ["shane mattison" ] Re: 40s vs. 60s ["Stephen Epstein" ] shane's dad's cadillac (it was bobby's) ["shane mattison" ] saskatoon man ["shane mattison" ] saskatoon man part two ["shane mattison" ] Re: saskatoon man part two ["Kakki" ] Another Henry Diltz exhibit CA and AZ ["Kakki" ] Re: 40s vs. 60s ["Dolphie Bush" ] Re: 40s vs. 60s ["Dolphie Bush" ] Fw: v.i.p.'s (very minimal jc) ["Dolphie Bush" ] More Jonifest Photos ["Kakki" ] RE: [Jonifest2001] More Jonifest Photos ["Wally Kairuz" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 03 Oct 2001 08:32:56 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Joni's New Project- Fantasies Jamie Zubairi wrote: > Hello All > > I was just thinking about > > wouldn't it be fantastic if Joni would consider doing Slouching Towards > Bethlehem with the orchestra? I can imagine a wall of percussion and this > outlandish, I dunno, bombastic (for the want of a better word...) brass and > this swirling strings section and of course, soaring all over this, would be > Joni's voice, raging and raging... Jamie, I hope you have a copy of the '98 tour. Joni's live version of Slouching is spectacular. Jerry np: Alicia Keys - Why Don't U Call Me ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 10:53:25 -0400 From: FPratts@seba.com Subject: New Joni Biography I have searched online at different book store (Barnes and Noble, Borders, etc...) for the new Joni book. I can find nothing about it! I even went to the publishers site, Virgin Books, and saw nothing. Can anyone help?? Thanks! Faye ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 12:35:24 EDT From: BigWaltinSF@aol.com Subject: While the mom's away, the cat(s) will play...(sjc) Wonder if Joni knows about this? This is what your cat is doing while you're out of the house: [Unable to display image] Do you know anyone with a cat? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Oct 2001 12:46:56 -0400 From: "blonde in the bleachers" Subject: Shadows and Light, The Definitive Biography How 2 Order Joni Mitchell: Shadows and Light The Definitive Biography by Karen O'Brien Not Yet Published: Hardcover - 352 pages (October 4, 2001) Virgin Publishing ISBN #1852279761 due for initial publication next thursday, "Shadows and Light" is apparently not being published or offered for sale in the USA or Canada. the following URL will take you directly to the relevant page where you can order your copy. the books will be shipped on the publication date (10-4-01). http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/tg/stores/detail/-/books/1852279761/reviews/ /o/qid=999880288/sr=2-2/ref=/026-2438595-2895629 - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 11:42:36 -0600 From: "shane mattison" Subject: funeral, joni, music, hart-rudman my father's funeral was very beautiful, beloved calgarian art smith gave his eulogy and i gave mine...the red ensign and the maple leaf flags stood beside the coffin in calgary's cathedral church of the redeemer. alberta's former premier peter lougheed attended both the service and reception, and asked me for a copy of my eulogy (if anyone would like to see this, just email me privately)... at Queens' Park Cemetary, the casket was lowered into the vault on a lovely sunshiney afternoon, while one of my best friends, rick flaumitsch, in full firefighters' dress uniform (including his distinguished service medal, given to him by canada's governor-general), saluted. I too saluted like a true commissionaire (and like john john kennedy!)... it was a delight to hear kakki and steven's report on meeting with joni, and it couldn't have come at a better time for the list, and of course for me personally...it was as if joni directed me and many of us back to why this list came into being... and kudos for the discrete way you both relayed your visit... i have thought about music favorites; they would include annie lennox's diva and medusa, joni's don juan's reckless daughter and hejira, brian wilson and the beach boys' pet sounds and surf's up, the beatles sgt pepper's and abbey road, paul's first 'cherries' solo album and ram, and selections from yes, supertramp, sting, willie and kris, u2, oh the list is endless and i'm too tired to trim it down! finally, i still keep up with the present crisis; the yale daily news has an interesting article on gary hart's work on security that had been going on in the hart-rudman commission, which eerilily warned of the kind of tragedy which took place sept. 11 and which also has ongoing recommendations: http://www.yaledailynews.com/article.asp?AID=16369 again i want to thank all of you for your support during this major transition time for my life... the first time a parent, or any one in my immediate family passed on... ex-security officer 'clint', with a divorcee's stack of dirty dishes reporting, shane ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 15:50:40 -0500 From: "Dolphie Bush" Subject: closest brush with celebrity Can't fathom actually sitting at a table and visiting with someone of Joni's caliber. I read the various posts and hear of the brushes with fame and have no such stories of my own to tell. As a teenager my mother would force me to attend every function that the youth of our local church held. I was rather the oddball and quite the disciple of Janis Joplin so you can imagine what was going on and happening to me in a small, religious, sports based, town in the Texas Panhandle. I decided that if they thought I was wierd, then I would show them just how wierd I could be. Anyway, I was a junior in high school and finally was beginning to find some kind of niche and had found the forensics department and there, found some folks who were not the norm for the area. Was beginning to expand my mind a little. Sadly, none of them belonged to my church group and off my mother sent me on this church excursion to the mountains of New Mexico. Me, mutliple jocks and jockettes, the young preacher who cared for no one except the jocks and jockettes, and the chauffeurs of the trip, the mothers and fathers of the jocks and jockettes. There I was, with my Janis Joplin t-shirt on and my hair as wild as I could possibly make it look, sitting in the back seat of this car. Careening though the mountains at break neck speed, I looked out the window and dreamed and wished that I was not there, or did not exist at all. Needless to say, it didn't matter, for there was no one in the car that wanted to talk to me anyway and they didn't, for the entire 4 hours it took to get there. The second night we were there they loaded us up into the different cars and took us to a small club. It was apparently not the in season and the club looked closed. There was of course no alcohol going on as we filed in. There was a young man on the stage. He had this huge book that looked like something that one made in junior high with different colored papers in it and hanging out of it. Don't remember exactly how it was bound but in a strange fashion. He took up his guitar and sang songs for us, at times stopping and looking up tunes in that book. I, being the misfit that I was and not very evolved and not wanting to hear anything that wasn't what I was used to, didn't give him a chance and did not enjoy his music, that he "played real good for free." So full of my own angst with my life and the trip and them, I don't think I even listened to half of it. Anyway, an hour or so later, he was finished. We left. The next week I was staying up late to watch the Midnight Special on t.v. and they were scrolling through the folks who would be on that night. His, the guy, picture came up and they announced his name "Michael Murphy". I thought "that's him". Soon after the song Wildfire was a hit. Never cared for it but really liked "what's forever for" that he did years later. This pales in comparison to the stories I have read here but is my closest brush with celebrity. Mack ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 16:02:43 -0500 From: cvickery@danielrealty.com Subject: Re: closest brush with celebrity I've got you beat by a little bit, Mack, though I'm still light years away from the Joni-sighting. Hunter S. Thompson offered me cocaine in the ladies restroom at the University of Alabama in Birmingham. Wendy O. Williams liked my skirt and bought one like it. And I went to high school with Courtney Cox, who wasn't nearly so pretty in 1980. I'd trade those brushes with celebrity for a cappacino with Joni anytime!! Cindy, wondering what it is with me and celebrities that use their middle initial. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Oct 2001 17:15:19 -0400 From: "marianne marianne" Subject: Joni meeting Stephen and Kakki, I am very happy for you that you talked with Joni. As much as I would love to spend time with her, I am almost certain that I wouldn't have known what to say. I would have been shy and who knows what else. . . Overcome. So I think it is is very cool that you were able to actually talk with her. I am still touched by all of this and one thing for now that I want to comment on is whn Stephen wrote. . . We talked about the 60's scene- "So much is forgotten from that time" ;-) I think that WE don't have to forget the best of 60's scene. We don't have to live any differently. Let's take the preciousness of the values of the 60's and live that way in our day to day lives. Many of us do to some extent. Certainly we cannot help but be influenced by our present times, but in our hearts and souls we can proceed with the spirit of the 60's in everything we do. I can encourage you and YOU CAN ENCOURAGE ME to proceed in the spirit of the 60's. Can we start with a thread to define the spirit of the 60's? Spirit of the 60's: questioning authority, Standing up for what you believe in, taking a stand, taking a stand, taking a stand, doing things together. Being real, seeing real. Help me live this way. Help the world live this way. Stardust golden Love, Marianne _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Oct 2001 16:18:47 -0500 From: "Sybil Skelton" Subject: Re: closest brush with celebrity >Hunter S. Thompson offered me cocaine in the ladies restroom at the University of Alabama in Birmingham. I think Cindy may have left out the juiciest part of this story. Hunter S. Thompson was in the LADIES ROOM? At the University of ALABAMA?!! Hmm. Sybil _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 14:19:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Don Rowe Subject: Re: closest brush with celebrity Late for a class I was taking at City College, I was charging down the steps of the NYC Library with a massive bag full of books slung over my shoulder. Down to the bottom of the stairs, pulling a hard right into the street, I knock this little guy walking down the sidewalk flat on his keester. I apologize and give him a hand up ... recognizing immediately in shock and dismay ... it's: Mikhail Barishnikov (sp?) Don Rowe ===== Visit me anytime at http://www.mp3.com/donrowe NEW from Yahoo! GeoCities - quick and easy web site hosting, just $8.95/month. http://geocities.yahoo.com/ps/info1 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Oct 2001 14:17:11 -0700 From: jan Subject: Re: closest brush with celebrity (snip) >Down to the bottom of the stairs, pulling a hard right >into the street, I knock this little guy walking down >the sidewalk flat on his keester. I apologize and >give him a hand up ... recognizing immediately in >shock and dismay ... it's: >Mikhail Barishnikov (sp?) >Don Rowe You should have introduced yourself as Sam Shepard! - -jan ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 17:38:25 EDT From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: closest brush with celebrity Years ago when my late uncle owned a nightclub in NJ, I met Guy Lombardo, Buddy Rich & Chubby Checker (who wasn't so chubby anymore I might add) He was really into that dance band era. While attending a community college, I met the late Harry Chapin who signed his book of poetry. I did very briefly meet and shake Joni's hand at the TNT tribute. Rose in NJ rosemjoy@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 17:57:39 EDT From: EVRIBUTJON@aol.com Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2001 #456 Hi Everyone, I missed the Kakki post about meeting Joni. Could someone please send it to me? Thanks. John ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 18:04:04 EDT From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: closest brush with celebrity This story is not about my *closest* brush with celebrity, but it is one I often think about -- given everything that happened shortly after I this happened. I was at Bloomingdales in Manhattan during my lunch hour in 1992 or 1993. As I was leaving the store I happened to notice the familiar face of a former football hero, even though I'm not much of a sports fan. He was talking with a couple of women by the door and I never actually introduced myself to him or asked for an autograph or anything like that because in New York, like LA, that's just uncool. Anyway, the man was jaw-droppingly handsome, and oozed more charm and charisma than any person I've ever seen, as if golden lights were radiating from him. I guess that's why I wasn't too surprised when a jury acquitted him of the murder of his ex-wife and Ron Goldman a few years later. And the only time I was ever totally uncool around a celeb was when I happened to meet the road crew for a performer I love and they gave me backstage access to her concert on the Boston Common the following night. Bonnie Raitt couldn't have been more gracious as I slobbered all over her. In a way, I'm glad I wasn't at the Joni sighting last weekend because who knows what I would have done to embarrass myself. Congratulations, Kakki and Stephen. And thanks for a great story. --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 18:24:16 -0500 From: "Dolphie Bush" Subject: Re: closest brush with celebrity Probably wearing myself thin but I feel the need to tell this story. It is my next closest brush with celebrity and my last, I promise. Years later than the last post when I was madly in love, this person, who was from Roswell, New Mexico, tells me that he is going to see an old high school friend and would I like to go. I said yes, would have went anywhere with him. We were going to Las Cruces, NM, a place I had never been before. He told me that his friend had a roommate who was the sister of Meredith Baxter. That was the time of the show family and I was quite taken with Meredith. When he told me we were lying in the bed and I thought to myself that the story was most likely not true. I didn't give it much more thought. Off we went, the details are another story, and arrived there at the friends house. The friend was a nice girl, earthy and more or less pretty sure of herself. She and he went off almost immediately to another part of the house, after introductions were made. The introductions included another roommate. She had platinum blond hair and a shapely figure, although somewhat bigger than what would be considered nice these days. Kind of a Marilyn Monroe type body. She was very free and seemed rather flighty. Didn't see much of her while we were there for she was gone most of the time. The other roommate was named Carol. Carol Baxter. She was tall for a girl and seemed almost lurchy (from the Addams Family) in stature. She had red hair and a pale complexion. She was painting a border around the sides of the walls, close to the ceiling. The room was cavernous in a old house, with Spanish architectural leanings. She was pretty odd I thought and I would just imagine, looking back, that she was a Joni fan. She seemed the type. I was into disco and that kind of thing at the time so was not anywhere near understanding or engaging her. Didn't see much of my boy the next day and spend most of the time just hanging out. The next night was the regular night for the show family to come on. He was, again, back in the back of the house with his close friend and I was more or less told, without words, that they were communing in a way that I was not privy to, and to get lost. Carol was doing something in that big main room but I don't remember what. I thought to myself, for lack of anything better to do, that I would find out if this purported story was true or not. I hatched a plot inside my head and went to work. I engaged her in conversation about nothing. We soon were sitting on the couch. The platinum girl was gone for the night. He and that girl were doing whatever they were doing. It was just Carol and myself there. The television was on. The show came on and I made a special point of telling her how mad I was about Meredith Baxter. It was partially true though I embellished it to a great degree. I could tell that she liked it so I kept it up. She finally asked me "do you really like her" and then "do you want to see something." I swear I was perfectly sober and did not know about drugs yet. I said yes to both questions. She left the room and came back with a photo album. Sure enough, photo after photo of the family. Real pictures of Meredith Baxter. I was pretty astonished and being that I was such a small town boy it was pretty exciting though here it will seem silly. Oddly enough, a couple of years ago I was watching one of those true hollywood things on t.v. and they made no mention of a sister named Carol so I would assume it was a step thing because these pictures were definitely authentic. She even talked to her once while I was there. The entire trip was surrealistic and the details of that are better left for another time but I will say that Las Cruces is a great place to visit. mack - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2001 5:04 PM Subject: Re: closest brush with celebrity > This story is not about my *closest* brush with celebrity, but it is one I > often think about -- given everything that happened shortly after I this > happened. > > I was at Bloomingdales in Manhattan during my lunch hour in 1992 or 1993. As > I was leaving the store I happened to notice the familiar face of a former > football hero, even though I'm not much of a sports fan. He was talking with > a couple of women by the door and I never actually introduced myself to him > or asked for an autograph or anything like that because in New York, like LA, > that's just uncool. Anyway, the man was jaw-droppingly handsome, and oozed > more charm and charisma than any person I've ever seen, as if golden lights > were radiating from him. I guess that's why I wasn't too surprised when a > jury acquitted him of the murder of his ex-wife and Ron Goldman a few years > later. > > And the only time I was ever totally uncool around a celeb was when I > happened to meet the road crew for a performer I love and they gave me > backstage access to her concert on the Boston Common the following night. > Bonnie Raitt couldn't have been more gracious as I slobbered all over her. > > In a way, I'm glad I wasn't at the Joni sighting last weekend because who > knows what I would have done to embarrass myself. > > Congratulations, Kakki and Stephen. And thanks for a great story. > > --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 16:49:12 -0700 From: Steve Dulson Subject: closest brush with celebrity Jackson Browne was at the urinal next to me at the Ahmanson Theatre in LA at a Chieftains concert, 5/2/76...but of course the best was getting Joni to autograph my copy of Hejira at the PWWAM taping. :) - -- ######################################################## Steve Dulson Costa Mesa CA steve@psitech.com "The Tinker's Own" http://www.tinkersown.com "Southern California Dulcimer Heritage" http://www.scdh.org "The Living Tradition Concert Series" http://www.thelivingtradition.org/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 20:19:45 EDT From: Relayer211@aol.com Subject: Re: closest brush with celebrity I shook hands and said "Hi" to Jon Anderson of Yes, which was thrilling. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 20:26:26 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: closest brush with celebrity << I shook hands and said "Hi" to Jon Anderson of Yes, which was thrilling. >> You also hung with the President & his Mrs., Relayer, and slept in the White House...surely that counts for something! :~) Bob, who after Joni would have to drop down to Kitty Carlisle level...(Nice Kitty, Kitty...LOL!) NP: Genesis, "Heathaze" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 17:38:39 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Joni meeting Marianne wrote: > I think that WE don't have to forget the best of 60's >scene. We don't have to live any differently. Let's take >the preciousness of the values of the 60's and live that >way in our day to day lives. Many of us do to some > extent. It would take a book to write all the ways the best of the spirit of the 60s changed our world and I do think that spirit lives on. Maybe not in the large visible way it did then, but in the ways it changed our culture and society forever. When I talk with people not that much younger than me, they sometimes don't quite understand what went on then. Some of them recall it as only being a time of a grisy war, with unkempt drugged-out hippies and anarchy and don't see the larger beauty of how the ideals and dreams were so needed then and how many did materialize into reality. It was a true renaissance > Spirit of the 60's: questioning authority, Standing up for >what you believe in, taking a stand, taking a stand, >taking a stand, doing things together. Being real, seeing >real. Help me live this way. Help the world live this > way. Having an open-mind, rejecting conformity for the sake of conformity and social pressures, respecting the individual, finding your originality, appreciating differences and diversity, live and let live, love your sister and brother.... Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 20:44:11 EDT From: FredNow@aol.com Subject: Re: 40s vs. 60s "Kakki" wrote: >I got Joni back a little when she dismissed the 60s, finally saying "well >YOUUUU made great art during the 60s!" She actually seemed a little >embarrassed (but was smiling to herself) and then came back and allowed >that Jimi Hendrix was the only one she saw in the 60s who could stack up against >Louis Armstrong, Charlie Bird Parker and the rest of the them. I'm glad you spoke up, Kakki. Joni is dead wrong on this one (30s/40s music=art, 60s=not). Including her own music, that of The Beatles, Jimi Hendrix, CSNY, James Taylor, Aretha Franklin, Marvin Gaye, Miles Davis, Laura Nyro, Brian Wilson, Paul Simon, Leonard Cohen, Bob Dylan, and many, many more was an artistic achievement equal to any music before. Is it a kind of self-loathing snobbism on her part that makes her claim otherwise? - -Fred Simon - -Fred Simon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 18:03:48 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: 40s vs. 60s Yeah Fred, I can't quite figure it out, either, except that maybe she was TOO close to a lot of the making of it as it was happening. She did bring up how so many with promise threw it away because of drugs and said that too many thought they could handle drugs and still be creative but only Charlie Parker could do that. She also did mention Dylan in passing. I can only guess there is something more personal going on here with her. She has mentioned in interviews the past few years how rotten she was treated in those days and how hard it was for her to make it. She was a pioneer in many ways, paving the road for those who followed her. While I would not disagree with anything she said about the 30s/40s, I can't take her too seriously on this one!! Kakki > I'm glad you spoke up, Kakki. Joni is dead wrong on this one (30s/40s > music=art, 60s=not). Including her own music, that of The Beatles, Jimi > Hendrix, CSNY, James Taylor, Aretha Franklin, Marvin Gaye, Miles Davis, Laura > Nyro, Brian Wilson, Paul Simon, Leonard Cohen, Bob Dylan, and many, many more > was an artistic achievement equal to any music before. Is it a kind of > self-loathing snobbism on her part that makes her claim otherwise? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 19:15:08 -0600 From: "shane mattison" Subject: v.i.p.'s (very minimal jc) my dad who just died, was the reason i met some of the following, then also hanging round gigs, then as security officer, roughly in chronological order: cisco kid tonto roy rodgers and dale evans red kelly (toronto maple leaf) walt disney cary grant (a little story with it) bobby orr CFL allstars wayne harris & terry evanshen and sugarfoot anderson prince phillip ken thomson (Lord of the Fleet) (story) arthur hailey rt hon john g diefenbaker (PM of Canada) (story, turning him down for lunch as a kid!) jane goodall (y'know -chimps!) malcolm muggeridge pierre and maggie trudeau (story) karen kain ernest manning, peter lougheed & ralph klein (premiers of alberta) robert stanfield, joe clark, (PM), claude wagner, george hees, tommy douglas, stanley knowles (oh just more canuck pols) john robarts (premier of ontario) sir graham bright (pps to john major) indira gandhi (story) alexander solzhenitsyn john hammond jr (story) wayne gretsky and mark messier pinetop perkins sam elliot (story) danny gallivan (hockey nite in canada) richard attenborough (story) jean vanier my old man and mum had me way beat though, including invitation to LBJ Ranch through Dean Rusk, drinking lots of gin and tonics with queen liz, JFK, RFK; he ended up getting RFK's car! i've forgotten alot - but does that sound like name dropping or what? shheesh... i'd give 'em all up though just to have had wally's weekend! maybe i should replace larry king when he retires... shane ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 21:07:08 -0400 From: "Stephen Epstein" Subject: Re: 40s vs. 60s My take of when Joni said "There's lots about the 60's that is not remembered" refers to the whole drug thing- and then the conversation went the way of Bird, Fred Neil, Tim Hardin... all in her mind, tremendously creative souls, but lost, blowing their creativity, except Bird, to the ravages of drugs. Also, due to Joni's age, the artists that perhaps made the biggest impression on her WERE the Parkers, Birds, Mingus et al... One must remember that as talented and unique as Joni was when she first started out, the Jimi's Bob's and the rest of the group were her contemporaries, and in my opinion, and perhaps hers as well, she was light years ahead of many of them. Best, Stephen in Vancouver NP: new Bjork Yeah Fred, I can't quite figure it out, either, except that maybe she was TOO close to a lot of the making of it as it was happening. She did bring up how so many with promise threw it away because of drugs and said that too many thought they could handle drugs and still be creative but only Charlie Parker could do that. She also did mention Dylan in passing. I can only guess there is something more personal going on here with her. She has mentioned in interviews the past few years how rotten she was treated in those days and how hard it was for her to make it. She was a pioneer in many ways, paving the road for those who followed her. While I would not disagree with anything she said about the 30s/40s, I can't take her too seriously on this one!! Kakki > I'm glad you spoke up, Kakki. Joni is dead wrong on this one (30s/40s > music=art, 60s=not). Including her own music, that of The Beatles, Jimi > Hendrix, CSNY, James Taylor, Aretha Franklin, Marvin Gaye, Miles Davis, Laura > Nyro, Brian Wilson, Paul Simon, Leonard Cohen, Bob Dylan, and many, many more > was an artistic achievement equal to any music before. Is it a kind of > self-loathing snobbism on her part that makes her claim otherwise? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 19:39:45 -0600 From: "shane mattison" Subject: shane's dad's cadillac (it was bobby's) shane's dad's cadillac last night we had shane's dad's cadillac rock' n' roll in the dashboard romance in the back of shane's dad's cadillac (it was bobby kennedy's) blue lights out on airport road motown, in a field in a farmer's grove big planes comin' overhead lowdown you can see the bolts you can see the tiretreads... shane's dad's cadillac (it was bobby kennedy's) shane's dad's cadillac (it was bobby's)... seriously, my buds an' ex-girlfriends used to cruise in this old boat to the drive-ins and the airport to smooch under the taking off and landing planes... and my brother-in law's name is ray! me speaks the truth... shane ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 18:49:18 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: 40s vs. 60s >Also, due to Joni's age, the artists that perhaps made >the biggest impression on her WERE the Parkers, Birds, >Mingus et al... Aha, of course! I hadn't quite thought of it that way, but that *would* be her personal frame of reference. >One must remember that as talented and unique as Joni >was when she first started out, the Jimi's Bob's and the >rest of the group were her contemporaries, and in my >opinion, and perhaps hers as well, she was light years >ahead of many of them. Yes, and being a true artist she would not have desired to either compete with, be influenced by, or meld with her musical contemporaries at the time. (although it has long been argued that she got into a lot of the alternate tunings originally from Crosby). So in a way she was maybe detached from them and maybe also looking just a bit with a critical eye at them. She WAS light years ahead of many of them and that, in itself, puts her in a unique position. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 19:53:40 -0600 From: "shane mattison" Subject: saskatoon man at the funeral reception i met a man who had been a fellow alumnus with my dad of the U. of Sask. in Saskatoon. He was asking me what i was doing now and i told him, and of my love for certain kinds of music...(!) ...and then he tells me he was at a little party in saskatoon, early sixties, when his friend brought over his friend...that is little joni anderson with her ukelele...he told me that she said she wanted to be a recording artist and that they had all said:.... "yah, sure kid... sure..." shane ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 20:04:25 -0600 From: "shane mattison" Subject: saskatoon man part two oh i forgot to mention that the saskatoon man told me that 'little joni anderson' had the reputation of a wild one, especially in those strait-laced days and in such a strait-laced town... faithfully recording the gist of the conversation, i am yours truly, shane ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 19:05:26 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: saskatoon man part two Shane, this is great! Please do give us the whole story!! Kakki, envying your parents' gin and tonic with Queen Liz ;-) oh i forgot to mention that the saskatoon man told me that 'little joni anderson' had the reputation of a wild one, especially in those strait-laced days and in such a strait-laced town... faithfully recording the gist of the conversation, i am yours truly, shane ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 19:09:29 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Another Henry Diltz exhibit CA and AZ Not marking NJC because it will include photos of Joni ;-) For info call 1-800-778-9988 October 5 - 7 Pacific Edge Gallery 540 South Coast Highway Laguna Beach, CA November 2 - 4 The Scottsdale Seville 7001 N. Scottsdale Road Scottsdale, AZ Also, I could have sworn I heard something on the radio today about Graham Nash having an exhibit of his photos someplace in Valencia, CA this weekend but can't find anything on his website. Kakki, over posting limit for the day! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 21:17:08 -0500 From: "Dolphie Bush" Subject: Re: 40s vs. 60s As the younger brother of a sister of the 60's and 13 myself when it ended I have to say that it is indescribable and you all know what I mean but I must also say that the 70's was a decade of a hell of a lot of great music, I don't care what the critics say. It was essentially my decade, as far as it goes, and I loved the 70's. Mack - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kakki" To: "Stephen Epstein" Cc: Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2001 8:49 PM Subject: Re: 40s vs. 60s > >Also, due to Joni's age, the artists that perhaps made >the biggest > impression on her WERE the Parkers, Birds, >Mingus et al... > > Aha, of course! I hadn't quite thought of it that way, but that *would* be > her personal frame of reference. > > >One must remember that as talented and unique as Joni >was when she first > started out, the Jimi's Bob's and the >rest of the group were her > contemporaries, and in my >opinion, and perhaps hers as well, she was light > years >ahead of many of them. > > Yes, and being a true artist she would not have desired to either compete > with, be influenced by, or meld with her musical contemporaries at the time. > (although it has long been argued that she got into a lot of the alternate > tunings originally from Crosby). So in a way she was maybe detached from > them and maybe also looking just a bit with a critical eye at them. She WAS > light years ahead of many of them and that, in itself, puts her in a unique > position. > > Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 21:21:01 -0500 From: "Dolphie Bush" Subject: Re: 40s vs. 60s I even proudly say that I even loved disco and still do. the critics be damned. mack - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dolphie Bush" To: "joni" Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2001 9:17 PM Subject: Re: 40s vs. 60s > As the younger brother of a sister of the 60's and 13 myself when it ended I > have to say that it is indescribable and you all know what I mean but I must > also say that the 70's was a decade of a hell of a lot of great music, I > don't care what the critics say. It was essentially my decade, as far as it > goes, and I loved the 70's. > > Mack > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kakki" > To: "Stephen Epstein" > Cc: > Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2001 8:49 PM > Subject: Re: 40s vs. 60s > > > > >Also, due to Joni's age, the artists that perhaps made >the biggest > > impression on her WERE the Parkers, Birds, >Mingus et al... > > > > Aha, of course! I hadn't quite thought of it that way, but that *would* > be > > her personal frame of reference. > > > > >One must remember that as talented and unique as Joni >was when she first > > started out, the Jimi's Bob's and the >rest of the group were her > > contemporaries, and in my >opinion, and perhaps hers as well, she was > light > > years >ahead of many of them. > > > > Yes, and being a true artist she would not have desired to either compete > > with, be influenced by, or meld with her musical contemporaries at the > time. > > (although it has long been argued that she got into a lot of the alternate > > tunings originally from Crosby). So in a way she was maybe detached from > > them and maybe also looking just a bit with a critical eye at them. She > WAS > > light years ahead of many of them and that, in itself, puts her in a > unique > > position. > > > > Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 21:34:29 -0500 From: "Dolphie Bush" Subject: Fw: v.i.p.'s (very minimal jc) cary grant (a little story with it) > sam elliot (story) > > > give it up Shane. a good friend of mine is in love with Sam elliot. > > Mack ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 22:56:49 EDT From: BRYAN8847@aol.com Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2001 #458 - My Joni Sighting I don't think I could hold a conversation with Joni; I'm sure I would be too tongue-tied. Maybe I could just nod and do hand gestures. But anyway, a friend and I did "run into" Joni in Wenatchee, WA during the Dylan/Mitchell/Morrison tour in 1998. We had gone to the Saturday show at the Gorge and stayed overnight in Wenatchee before heading back to Gorge for the Sunday show (of course we went to both shows!). That Sunday morning we stopped at a hotel for a late breakfast. As we were finishing, I saw a Big Brown Bus pull up in front of the main entrance, a bus I had seen the day before at the concert. I knew it belonged to Bob, Van or Joni -- so I prayed, left my friend to pay the bill and RAN to the door. There I spied a woman who was obviously a nervous fan waiting for someone special to pass by. Whose bus is this!? I asked her. It's Joni's! I almost died right there. My friend joined the nervous fan and me, and just a few minutes later, there she came, right through the lobby and into the parking lot. She was wearing two hats and carrying a mesh bag full of bananas. I can't remember what she was wearing, other than the hats. Apparently the nervous fan had arranged through someone in Joni's crew for Joni to stop and talk for a few minutes. We respectfully stood back and let the arranged conversation unfold (but remained within earshot of course). They exchanged a few words, Joni explained that she was coming down with a cold, and then she got on the bus. My friend and I jumped in our car (our feet barely touching the ground as we gleefully sailed through the parking lot) and then followed the bus across about 30 miles of brown desert while listening to Hejira. That part was surreal. Bryan And here's an apology to whomever I offended a while back with my comment about Shawn Colvin, babies, gays, etc. I didn't have to make my point that way...sorry. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 23:02:08 EDT From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2001 #458 - My Joni Sighting In a message dated 10/3/01 10:58:11 PM Eastern Daylight Time, BRYAN8847@aol.com writes: > She was wearing two > hats and carrying a mesh bag full of bananas. I can't remember what she was > Boy, she sure does like those bananas, doesn't she? Wearing two hats??? Rose confused rosemjoy@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 21:38:11 -0600 From: "shane mattison" Subject: HRH kakki 'which queen during the day?', asks steve... 'which queen during the night?', asks shane... 'which queen during the day and night?', asks joni... how many other queens might we have out there hellvig? shane ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 21:59:49 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: More Jonifest Photos Pearl has generously sent me some more great Jonifest photos to put on my Photopoint site! Thanks Pearl! Come see more of the gang at the link below. Kakki http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumList?u=1481388&a=13828911 If you use AOL, use this link to see the photos. Click here ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2001 02:08:37 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: [Jonifest2001] More Jonifest Photos kakki and pearl, thank you! now i have TWO pictures at jonifest!!! ;-) WK - -----Mensaje original----- De: Kakki [mailto:KakkiB@worldnet.att.net] Enviado el: Jueves, 04 de Octubre de 2001 02:00 a.m. Para: joni@smoe.org; Jonifest2001@yahoogroups.com Asunto: [Jonifest2001] More Jonifest Photos Pearl has generously sent me some more great Jonifest photos to put on my Photopoint site! Thanks Pearl! Come see more of the gang at the link below. Kakki http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumList?u=1481388&a=13828911 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2001 02:09:25 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: More Jonifest Photos kakki and pearl, thank you! now i have TWO pictures at jonifest!!! ;-) WK - -----Mensaje original----- De: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]En nombre de Kakki Enviado el: Jueves, 04 de Octubre de 2001 02:00 a.m. Para: joni@smoe.org; Jonifest2001@yahoogroups.com Asunto: More Jonifest Photos Pearl has generously sent me some more great Jonifest photos to put on my Photopoint site! Thanks Pearl! Come see more of the gang at the link below. Kakki http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumList?u=1481388&a=13828911 ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2001 #309 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she?