From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2001 #305 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Sunday, September 30 2001 Volume 2001 : Number 305 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Subject: Chat with Joni today - Holy Feck! ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: Chat with Joni today - Holy Feck! ["Sharon L. Buffington" ] Re: Chat with Joni today - Holy Feck! ["Kakki" ] joni yo, where did 'ya go ["shane mattison" ] Re: OK more of a report - long ;-) [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Kennedy on "urge for going" [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] RE: Chat with Joni today - Holy Feck! ["Deb Messling" ] RE: Chat with Joni today - Holy Feck! ["patricia van nunen" ] Chat with Joni today - Holy Feck! [AsharaJM@aol.com] Re: OK more of a report - long ;-) [TerryM2222@aol.com] Re: Chat with Joni today - Holy Feck! [TerryM2222@aol.com] Re: WOW ! [TerryM2222@aol.com] I have a dream.(VLJ) ["patricia van nunen" ] Joni encounter [Anne Sandstrom ] Re: JMDL Digest V2001 #451 [YORK48CAD@aol.com] Re: Edith and the French Fries/DMX/AEI/Indie Artists [TanyerSCO@aol.com] Re: Chat with Joni today - Holy Feck! [TanyerSCO@aol.com] an hour with Joni [Anne Sandstrom ] Today's Articles: September 30 [les@jmdl.com] Re: Thanks JMDL (sjc) ["Lori R. Fye" ] Re: Today's Articles: September 30 [RoseMJoy@aol.com] Joni content ;-) ["Kakki" ] Re: Joni content ;-) [RoseMJoy@aol.com] Joni/Kakki/Stephen ["Russell Bowden" ] Re: Kennedy on "urge for going" [Gertus@aol.com] joni and the medicine wheel ["marianne marianne" ] Re: Thanks JMDL (sjc) [Catherine McKay ] Re: Today's Articles: September 30 [Catherine McKay ] Subject: Joni content ;-) ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: Subject: Joni content ;-) ["Sharon L. Buffington" ] Re: Chat with Joni today - Holy Feck! ["Sharon L. Buffington" ] Re: OK more of a report - long ;-) [Bruyere ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2001 01:08:00 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Subject: Chat with Joni today - Holy Feck! Holy Feck is right!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ******************************************** Kate Bennett www.katebennett.com sponsored by Polysonics www.polysonics.com Discover the Indies at Taylor Guitars: http://www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/bennett.html ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2001 01:34:09 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: OK more of a report - long ;-) Joni was so great today! She and a friend, both with little dogs came and took a seat on the outside patio (only place to smoke) at the Daily Grill. I was surprised to see her with a dog! Coco, the little, very lively terrier was barking, yapping and yapping non-stop. Joni felt a little self-conscious and was trying to calm her down and explaining to everyone that Coco liked to bark at the birds. She would say a few times to all of us sitting out there how Jack Russell terriers were bred to be self-starters, independent and that they do not take well to being chained up (Hehehe). At one point, she took the leash off and Coco was very happy wandering around all our tables and NOT barking. Coco reminded me so much of my dog years ago - part terrier and very much the same personality. So I was telling Stephen about Daisy and Joni asked and we laughed about how they rebel at being on the leash to the point of choking themselves and how they can jump 5 feet straight up in the air and are so hyper, yet always sweet! Meanwhile, Paula Abdul was sitting with a friend behind us and had gone up and introduced herself to Joni and had a nice meeting with her. Later Paula brought out pictures of her own dog to show Joni! So anyway, I was very self-conscious and did not want to intrude on Joni. A large group of young women came in and sat down at the patio. Almost immediately, one of them started being VERY rude to Joni about Coco wandering about. Absolutely rude. She went on about it being unsanitary about a dog near diners, etc., blah, blah. Welllllll...., of course, Stephen and I gave Joni the eye that we would be her "back up" and made a few light comments trying to laugh the girl off. Joni was nice but also assertive with her and said "I'm sorry, I just learned I can't bring the dog here, but she will bark if I leash her so you have your choice - she wanders quietly or you can hear her bark non-stop - it's your call!" The young punk, er, girl, told Joni quite snottily to put the leash on. So the leash went on and then I said "Coco - sing for us!!" Tee hee. Oh and yes, the cacophony started once again ;-) Somehow, a long, natural conversation began with Joni from there. She was so open and honest right from the heart on many matters, including personal, which I feel not right about sharing here but the point is that when you have someone like Joni being so from the heart with basically strangers it says something very profound about one's integrity - she is who she is in all instances. I want to be so proper here about what she said, rather than being just a blabbermouth. The first thing she brought up was what she kept calling the "war." I asked her if she had been painting lately and she immediately said "three since September 11th." She went on to explain to us in great detail the various images she perceived from the WTC coverage - she actually was taking photos of the TV footage with a "paper camera" trying to capture everything. She saw many images and metaphors literally in the smoke and said how difficult it was to capture them so fast. She had much to say about it all. I still think we should wait to hear her words on this - she sees it, of course, on a larger, global scale, prophetess that she is. On related subjects that we spoke about, including the dismal state of music these days, I opined that there hasn't been much good music since the 60s. She disagreed with me and said that the real best music was back in the 30s and 40 like Louis Armstrong. I said that I had also been thinking about that lately - how those times were much worse for people than today and yet they produced that music. She said - to the effect - that yes, they could be so optimistic in the face of what was happening and produce such life-affirming music and that was real integrity, real strength. Yes, yes. We talked about so much - you know how she is from reading her interviews and this was just one of the most incredible you have ever heard! We talked about painting in general and her painting specifically. I mentioned that Stephen and I were both painters and she wanted to know about Stephen's paintings. I'll let him write more about that when he recovers ;-) We talked about her next project coming up and she told us a lot that we already knew from here - she is using the same crew - Vince Mendoza, and, as she said her "ex-husband" ;-) We talked about Beethoven, Debussy and Mozart. (Our heads were spinning ;-) She mentioned the reworking of her songs but it is hard for me to articulate it now and relate it properly. Ya had ta be there ;-D So - somehow I brought up about her not writing lately and she said she had not been able to write for awhile. Then she said, "no one is interested anymore in what I have to say." God. We immediately jumped in and said "OH YES, WE ARE." And Stephen added emphatically "your listeners ARE." Then she said that this event, the "war" HAS evoked her writing again. Oh yes! She talked about Robert Hilburn (our longtime music guru in L.A.) and how he, for awhile, did not quite "get" her. I said that my impression was always that Hilburn (who is so damn picky) adored her. Naw, she said, he always told her that he didn't like her foray into jazz and she would tell him that the folk music was not as creative as what she did with the jazz. I told her that hey, there were albums I didn't "get" at first, either, but I always thought that was my problem, not hers, and I just figured that she was 20 years ahead of her time. She laughed and said she didn't "get" some of the stuff she did, either ;-) I said that the critics who didn't get her years ago certainly have reconsidered and get her now. She said, "well, I never was writing to write "hit music." So I may think of more that is right to say here later, but for now, the brilliant news is that she is very inspired to write again and we do need to hear from her. Kakki, heart still beating like a hummingbird ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2001 04:01:48 -0500 From: "Sharon L. Buffington" Subject: Re: Chat with Joni today - Holy Feck! Kakki wrote: > > Lordy, lordy. > We were going to have lunch in Topanga > Canyon, but then he mentioned a friend he'd like to see who has a business > in the mall where the Daily Grill is located so we decided that would be a > good choice and Joni-related, of course. Several questions...dripping with envy as she writes these questions... Is the Daily Grill a Joni place? And if so, could you give me some history about it? This may be a silly question but did you happen to tell Joni about our most recent Fest and how everyone loves her music? And about Ganja Joni? Did she indicate that her 'writer block' was because she does not believe that people want to hear from her or that she was simply blocked for other reasons? And did she indicate how the 'war' had impacted her need to write once again? Did she sign anything for you or make plans to see you in Toronto? Thank you for sharing and letting us know...like you two could ever keep such a thing quiet....about meeting and talking with Joni. I wonder if Stephen had on his red shoes? Peace...Sharon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2001 19:16:27 +1000 From: "Geronimo" Subject: joni in the Sydney Morning Herald Here is the link to a story by a local writer on Joni. Its ostensibly a review of the Joni Mitchell Companion but actually turns into an interesting critique. http://www.smh.com.au/news/0109/29/spectrum/spectrum2.html Can't wait to read what Joni has to say about the current situation cheers Nicholas ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2001 03:18:53 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Chat with Joni today - Holy Feck! Hey Sharon! > Several questions...dripping with envy as she writes >these questions...Is the Daily Grill a Joni place? And if >so, could you give me some history about it? She has hung out there for years now. In the liner notes of Taming the Tiger, she only thanks (as I recall) Fred Walecki and the personnel at the Daily Grill and the parking attendants for the little mall there. She also mentioned it at the '98 concerts at UCLA. > This may be a silly question but did you happen to tell >Joni about our most recent Fest and how everyone loves >her music? And about Ganja Joni? Well, we were so amazed to be seeing her at all, much less having an hour long conversation with her! This is the third time I've been somehow magically blessed to speak with her. The second time was at her art exhibit in L.A. in Dec. 1999. At that time, we talked much about the list and she was raving on about the cookbook that we created for her (coordinated and put together by Marian) - She later in an interview actually mentioned us and that cookbook! I also gave her the 4 CD "box set" of Jonifest 1999 that night and she definitely knows that we get together each year and do our Fest thang ;-) > Did she indicate that her 'writer block' was because she >does not believe that people want to hear from her or >that she was simply blocked for other reasons? Did not get into specifics, but I was struck when she said "no one wanted to hear me anymore." Geez. Maybe she just means the corporate record companies. > And did she indicate how the 'war' had impacted her > need to write once again? Oh yes, very much, very much, very deeply. I hope that the upcoming L.A. Times feature of the paintings she has done may also give her comments. > Did she sign anything for you or make plans to see you >in Toronto? No, we did not go there. > I wonder if Stephen had on his red shoes? Indeed, of course he did!!! ;-) And he's mentioned a few times that he'd wished she would have noticed them - hahaha ;-D Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2001 05:02:43 -0600 From: "shane mattison" Subject: joni yo, where did 'ya go kakki and steve, joni? melt... wish i was the tuna... shane ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2001 07:30:43 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: OK more of a report - long ;-) Very cool that you got to speak to Joni...I'm sure that having one of our finest-looking male ambassadors didn't hurt a bit in getting some table time! ;~) Did Joni recall meeting you at the other 2 events? Anyway, I'm very glad to hear that she is 'inspired' to create, although I'm sorry that it took such a cataclysmic event.... Your report was very classy, I look forward to the article in the paper, and I'm SOOO happy for Stephen too! :~) Bob NP: Joni, "Conversation", Club 47, 1/67 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2001 07:58:48 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Kennedy on "urge for going" << I just discovered that a violinist, Nigel Kennedy, has covered "urge for going" on his CD "Classic Kennedy". has anyone heard it? >> Anybody who has Volume 16 of the "Covers" series has, Mary...I think it's a lovely version of one of Joni's prettiest songs. It's an instrumental, in case you weren't aware. And it's about the only "pop" tune on the CD, which is mostly classical. That says something for Joni's compositional skills, I think! Jacky from the UK provided me with the copy, for which I was grateful! :~) Bob NP: Joni, "The Dawntreader" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2001 08:03:28 -0400 From: "Deb Messling" Subject: RE: Chat with Joni today - Holy Feck! Holy moly! What an exciting story. I'm excited about the paintings, of course, but in my gossipy way I'm also interested in the terrier. Joni once said she wouldn't have a dog because she was away from home too much. Does this mean that in her fifties, she's actually settling down? Jack Russells are very trendy dogs in my area; are they trendy all over? - ----------------------------------- Deb Messling =^..^= - ----------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2001 08:00:00 -0500 From: "Sharon L. Buffington" Subject: Re: Chat with Joni today - Holy Feck! But did Joni know you were from JMDL when you saw her this time? Kakki wrote: > > Hey Sharon! > > > Several questions...dripping with envy as she writes >these questions...Is > the Daily Grill a Joni place? And if >so, could you give me some history > about it? > > She has hung out there for years now. In the liner notes of Taming the > Tiger, she only thanks (as I recall) Fred Walecki and the personnel at the > Daily Grill and the parking attendants for the little mall there. She also > mentioned it at the '98 concerts at UCLA. > > > This may be a silly question but did you happen to tell >Joni about our > most recent Fest and how everyone loves >her music? And about Ganja Joni? > > Well, we were so amazed to be seeing her at all, much less having an hour > long conversation with her! This is the third time I've been somehow > magically blessed to speak with her. The second time was at her art exhibit > in L.A. in Dec. 1999. At that time, we talked much about the list and she > was raving on about the cookbook that we created for her (coordinated and > put together by Marian) - She later in an interview actually mentioned us > and that cookbook! I also gave her the 4 CD "box set" of Jonifest 1999 that > night and she definitely knows that we get together each year and do our > Fest thang ;-) > > > Did she indicate that her 'writer block' was because she >does not believe > that people want to hear from her or >that she was simply blocked for other > reasons? > > Did not get into specifics, but I was struck when she said "no one wanted > to hear me anymore." Geez. Maybe she just means the corporate record > companies. > > > And did she indicate how the 'war' had impacted her > > need to write once again? > > Oh yes, very much, very much, very deeply. I hope that the upcoming L.A. > Times feature of the paintings she has done may also give her comments. > > > Did she sign anything for you or make plans to see you >in Toronto? > > No, we did not go there. > > > I wonder if Stephen had on his red shoes? > > Indeed, of course he did!!! ;-) And he's mentioned a few times that he'd > wished she would have noticed them - hahaha ;-D > > Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2001 09:05:43 -0400 From: Emily K Gray Subject: joni visit! kakki, stephen: this thrilled me! i can't wait to hear the details. i was especially excited to hear of joni's writing and painting about 9/11 (or about its aftermath). we need her now, more than ever. we need all artists, of course, but i've been thinking all the time and wondering what ms. mitchell's perspective is on all this -- what she can say or do to help me understand it. (like she has for so many other things...) all best! - -- emily in NYC ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2001 15:25:00 +0200 From: "patricia van nunen" Subject: RE: Chat with Joni today - Holy Feck! hi Kakki, What an amazing experience!! I'm soooo jealous too!! But to me it proves that dreams can come true and mostly at times when you don't expect it(any more)!!! I'm so happy for you. Patricia. - -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: les@jmdl.com [mailto:les@jmdl.com]Namens Kakki Verzonden: zondag 30 september 2001 3:37 Aan: joni@smoe.org Onderwerp: Chat with Joni today - Holy Feck! Lordy, lordy. JMDL'er Stephen from Vancouver is here in L.A. on business this weekend and I've been showing him around. We were going to have lunch in Topanga Canyon, but then he mentioned a friend he'd like to see who has a business in the mall where the Daily Grill is located so we decided that would be a good choice and Joni-related, of course. We sat with our food, drinks and smokes in the hot sun having a lazy afternoon when my God, who should appear!! I have so much to tell, but it is a bit difficult as you can imagine! We left her alone but she has a new little yappy Jack Russell terrier dog she'd brought who was quite the center of attention. (Oh and yes, the cats are all getting along with Coco, and even though they have their skirmishes, she said they sleep together every night ;-) I was telling Stephen about a dog I had like that and Joni heard me and wanted to know about it so we had the opening for conversation. Well, lots of drinks and smokes later turned into our own chat with Joni for about an hour. Phenomenal, phenomenal. I'll give the short version for now with news of what matters probably to most of you. The "war:" has affected her very much and she has done three paintings since 9/11. The paintings are going to be featured in the L.A. Times next week. I don't want to share her views here yet because it seems more proper to see what is ssaid in the L.A. Times. I will tell you that while talking with her about why she doesn't write anymore - she said she has not been able to - but this event is very definitely inspiring her to write again. I may have more to write later - right now I'm still in a little shock!! ;-) Kakki NP: For The Roses album ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2001 09:51:07 -0400 From: "Blair Fraipont" Subject: WOW ! Meeting Joni and Paula Abdul.. What was Paula wearing??? Just Kidding... That is amazing. I respect your intimacy about the conversation... It Keeps my imagination going... I am so happy and excited for you. I got to move to LA!!! Love blair _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2001 09:54:57 EDT From: AsharaJM@aol.com Subject: Chat with Joni today - Holy Feck! WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I am SOOOOOOO happy for both of you!!!!!!!! Awesome, awesome, awesome, awesome. Thanks for the report, and hope to hear more if there is anything else you'd like to share. This is SO great, Kakki and Stephen. :-) Hugs, Ashara ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2001 10:15:40 EDT From: TerryM2222@aol.com Subject: Re: OK more of a report - long ;-) Kakki, Great reporting, you lucky duck! I just want to know how J stays so slim if she's eating lobster and tuna melts. Seriously, I savored every word of your reports. If you think of more, please continue! It's hard to believe that she thinks people don't want to hear her own music. Maybe we should all write letters of support and mail them to her! Terry ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2001 10:18:09 EDT From: TerryM2222@aol.com Subject: Re: Chat with Joni today - Holy Feck! In a message dated 9/30/2001 8:08:45 AM Eastern Daylight Time, messling@enter.net writes: << Jack Russells are very trendy dogs in my area; are they trendy all over? >> Where I live, people still go for Goldens and Labs. But in general, it seems that lots of people are getting Jack Russells. One of my friends did a few years ago and appropriately named him Jack. I'm still partial to my lovable Portuguese Water Dog (Annie) and Henry, our Siamese. Sorry for the NJC but I didn't want to stop the thread from our Joni Only friends. Terry ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2001 10:19:19 EDT From: TerryM2222@aol.com Subject: Re: WOW ! In a message dated 9/30/2001 9:52:46 AM Eastern Daylight Time, donjuansrd80@hotmail.com writes: << What was Paula wearing??? >> Hey, what was JONI wearing?? ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2001 16:37:36 +0200 From: "patricia van nunen" Subject: I have a dream.(VLJ) After reading Kakki's post, I'm dreaming my dream again: in fact this list is the only place I can still dream and maybe make it come true.But I need a little help.For over 15 years now I'm trying to find my way in the Belgian music-scene.I'm a singer, have worked with several musicians, have performed uncountable times with people and had a good time. And everybody I've met was so enthusiastic about my voice," the voice of an angel"they said.Yeah! The voice of an angel with no job..Because it simply doesn't work out for me here in Belgium, my little country Belgium. Here the music business thinks very commercially( and I have no problem with that) but there's definitely no room for singer-songwriters, we don't have a "folk" history, the only thing I can do actually to make a little money is to do backing vocals.I've had enough of it!! Enough is enough!! The joni lyrics kept me going for all these years, I was singing them for friends, for strangers, well I played really good "for free". Most of the times I'm a lurker on this list, but I've noticed that some of you are musicians too, who maybe can give me some relevant information or advice.My dream is to make a CD with only Joni covers; very intimate,with "dark" arrangements,it's not easy to translate or discribe it exactly. But hey, the sky is the limit for me. I want to get in touch with other JMDLers who have the same dream as me or who are in the same situation as I am: rejected by some& not understood by others(this is very Joni related :.)).Maybe we can do something together. Thank you for your time. Be well. Patricia. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2001 10:45:10 -0400 From: "Suze Cameron" Subject: Holy fecking Joni encounter Hey Stephen! Is this the first time you have met SIQUOMB? What were your impressions? What was her reaction when you mentioned Toronto? Was she pleased that you were attending? I can't believe she didn't notice the shoes!~ Have a great Sunday and congrats! Sue Make a difference, help support the relief efforts in the U.S. http://clubs.lycos.com/live/events/september11.asp ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2001 11:16:43 -0400 From: Anne Sandstrom Subject: Joni encounter OMG!!!! wimper sniffle, sniffle... green is jealous that was all she had to say... except I'll have my traditional Sunday night dinner of shrimp in honor of this occasion. lots of love Anne p.s. I'm so happy for you Kakki and Steve :-) Do tell more!!!! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2001 11:17:19 EDT From: YORK48CAD@aol.com Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2001 #451 Well, I have 2 things to reply to today. One is, WHO WERE THE LUCKY PEOPLE WHO WERE IN THE STUDY DURING THE RECORDING OF JONI'S VIDEO. As I watched this on Christmas morning a few years back, (Yes, a thoughtful gift from my husband) I thought to myself, " Who are these lucky people?" That video is so meaningful to me because the set list is almost identical to the show I saw in 98.' My one and only Joni show. Also, I must comment on Kakki's lunch sighting of Joni. How cool is that!!!!!! I would gladly start smoking again, if it meant a chat with Joni herself. See, with my luck, I would have been in the nonsmoking section and missed it all together!!!!! Peace, Julie ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2001 11:30:34 EDT From: TanyerSCO@aol.com Subject: Re: Edith and the French Fries/DMX/AEI/Indie Artists Sorry I haven't been around much lately. New York has been forever changed. I just wanted to share a little on what Walt said. Some of you may know that I work at Whole Foods Market in Chelsea and in the three months I have worked there, here is a list of Joni songs which have appeared in the store: Coyote California Hejira Night in the City Passion Play (When all the slaves are free) Chelsea Morning (coincidence?) Both Sides Now (BSN version) Help Me Down to You Kind of an interesting mix right? The music in the store is extremely ecclectic, ranging from Indian sitar music to Mary J. Blige to Joni. But I usually hear her about once a week. Keeps me interested. : ) tanya in nyc On 28 Sep 2001, at 21:40, BigWaltinSF@aol.com wrote: Hi, all, I was at McDonalds (comfort food, guilty pleasure -- now you all know) when amongst all the top-20 pop musack, what should I hear but Edith and The Kingpin. At McDonalds?!?!? Don't know who chooses what's played on these playlists, but I always assumed they were chosen on the basis of sales or something like that. Which led me to wonder: Was Edith released as a single from HoSL? I seem to remember In France They Kiss On Main Street was, but I don't remember what else was. And I wondered if Edith was among the songs JM mentioned in that Billboard article to appear on the (hopefully soon to be renamed) Swan Song? Got home and checked -- it wasn't -- and I know there's already a nice version also on S&L -- but wouldn't it be a good candidate? But then, if she recorded all the songs I like on the upcoming album, it would have to be a boxed set. :-) Joni at McDonalds, when I was having a bad day. Thank you, powers that be. walt ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2001 11:36:41 EDT From: TanyerSCO@aol.com Subject: Re: Chat with Joni today - Holy Feck! Holy Feck is right! Back on the Whole Foods Market thing - lots of celebs come in and buy groceries there. Bjork was in the other day, although I'm not really a fan. I often wonder what would happen if Joni came in one day while she was in town. I can't believe you were so calm! Did you play it cool the whole time? Did you tell her you were a huge fan? I'd love to know more. : ) tanya in nyc ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2001 12:41:15 -0400 From: Anne Sandstrom Subject: an hour with Joni So, ok, if you had an hour to spend with Joni all to yourself what would you do,say, etc. And where would you want to be. (btw, this thread is quite separate from the hot temper/sex thread, right?) I'd want to be in a garden on a sunny September day. We'd talk about song writing. I'd play one or two of my songs for her and we'd look at the lyrics. I'd ask her what she honestly thought. What works. What doesn't. She'd tell me, teach me. Maybe offer suggestions for changes. That would be my ideal hour with Joni. lots of love Anne ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2001 12:56:12 -0400 From: les@jmdl.com Subject: Today's Articles: September 30 On September 30 these articles were published: 1998: "Dylan, Joni to perform together" - Toronto Globe and Mail (News Item) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/docs/980930tgam.cfm 1998: "Riled Woman" - Washington Post (Review - Album) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/docs/980930wp.cfm 1998: "Sharps and Flats" - Salon.com (Review - Album) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/docs/980930s.cfm 1998: "Taming the Tiger" - George Graham Website (Review - Album) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/docs/980930gg.cfm - ------------------------ The JMDL Article Database has 633 titles. http://www.jmdl.com/articles ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2001 09:59:47 -0700 (PDT) From: "Lori R. Fye" Subject: Re: Thanks JMDL (sjc) > After 6 months of being a "lurker," I have decided > to come out of the closet. Welcome, Julie!!! Glad you've decided to "come out!" > Thanks for sharing your Jonifests, they sound so fun > and interesting. I would be embarrassed to show up > as I have no musical talent except maybe dancing. Jonifests are indeed fun and interesting, and please don't be embarrassed to join us at the next one. There are quite a few of us who just dance! (Besides, somebody has to be the audience!) See you this summer? Lori in Maryland ~ Listen to your Yahoo! Mail messages from any phone. http://phone.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2001 13:18:36 EDT From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: Today's Articles: September 30 In a message dated 9/30/01 12:58:44 PM Eastern Daylight Time, les@jmdl.com writes: > http://www.jmdl.com/articles > > > > Yay!!! The JMDL site is back up. Les must be back home. You haven't missed much Les, just that Kakki & Stephen chatted with Joni for about an hour yesterday ;0) Rose in NJ NP: Don Jaun's Reckless Daughter rosemjoy@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2001 10:41:31 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Joni content ;-) Still pinching myself - I don't know if Joni recognized me from before. Maybe - she sort of had a slight look of recognition and turned and smiled over to me a few times before we started talking, but I really don't know if that meant anything. No one ever believes this but I am really shy sometimes and especially when it's Joni!! So I didn't say "remember me" or anything about the list because I had that conversation with her before and also when she met a number of us after the "Painting With Words and Music" tapings in '98. Stephen and I were so stunned the whole time and I think we just let her talk and carry the conversation. And from my prior experience that's the best way because if you just let her talk and go with her trains of thought, she has so much to say! She is in real good shape and very slim. She was dressed very casually in sort of tan/khaki slacks but I was suprised that she was wearing a sort of pullover sweater and a vest in almost 90 degree weather! Her hair was up and she had a little hat on and was wearing lots of beautiful, interesting jewelry. She was quite outspoken on many topics, but we know that! She was very funny and quippy, too, and had us shaking with laughter a few times. She was very cute and very sweet. We collectively probably smoked about three packs of cigarettes in that hour! She also sang a bit for us!! A few verses from the song "Elijah" which I would love to see the lyrics to if anyone knows them here. Her voice was gorgeous! I am still processing all she said and will probably think of more. I know Stephen has much to write, too, so you will hear more from him soon! Kakki NP: Joni - Case of You ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2001 13:49:14 EDT From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni content ;-) In a message dated 9/30/01 1:38:44 PM Eastern Daylight Time, KakkiB@worldnet.att.net writes: > . We collectively probably smoked about three > packs of cigarettes in that hour! She also sang a bit for us!! A few > verses from the song "Elijah" which I would love to see the lyrics to if > anyone knows them here. Her voice was gorgeous! > > I am still processing all she said and will probably think of more. I know > Stephen has much to write, too, so you will hear more from him soon! > > Thanks so much Kakki & Stephen for sharing these most personal moments with Joni. The world feels good for the moment :0) Rose in NJ NP: A Day in the Garden, Hejira rosemjoy@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2001 11:19:43 -0700 From: "Russell Bowden" Subject: Joni/Kakki/Stephen To the Chosen Two: Aaaaarrrgggghhh!!!! I'm GDFing moving to LA yesterday!! So, when do I get to kiss the soles of your feet..???? for you have walked on Holy Ground. So happy for both of you....now, where are those razor blades? Love, Russ full of conflicting emotions....so happy for you...so sad for me..boo hoo. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2001 14:37:13 EDT From: Gertus@aol.com Subject: Re: Kennedy on "urge for going" In a message dated 30/09/01 12:58:48 GMT Daylight Time, SCJoniGuy writes: > << I just discovered that a violinist, Nigel Kennedy, has covered "urge > for > going" on his CD "Classic Kennedy". has anyone heard it? >> > There are 20 tracks on the album, as Bob says, nearly all are classical. From the sleeve notes:-"Three ans a half minutes is the average length of the beautiful short works featured on this album. The maxim about quality over quantity is so right: a small piece of music can be a masterpiece, whether it's by Schubert, Fritz Kreisler or the Kinks!" and:- "The violin's strong associations with folk and traditional music go back several centuries. It is therefore particularly appropriate that Kennedy has chosen to include two unforgettable examples of the genre: Scarborough Fair and Danny Boy. In not too dissimilar a vein are the hypnotically Gaelic inflections inflections of Joni Mitchell's Urge for Going." Other composers include Vivaldi, Bach, Chopin, Satie, Debussy and Gershwin. She's right up there with them. Regards Jacky ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2001 15:25:49 -0400 From: "marianne marianne" Subject: joni and the medicine wheel Thanks Kevin (pyramus@lineone.net) for the in depth about Joni's Medicine Wheel. Kevin writes: "You may remember that at the beginning of Joni's video 'Painting with Words and Music' she speaks about the Medicine Wheel and what it represents in Native American sprituality. The studio was in fact set up in the round to emulate in part this wheel. In its most simplistic definition, the Medicine Wheel is a symbol of ALL creation, of all races of people, birds, fish, animals, trees, and stones. It's shape is that of a wagon wheel, made of stones. The circular shape of the wheel represents the earth, the sun, the moon, the cycles of life, the seasons, and day to night. The wheel also teaches the four aspects of our nature...physical, mental, emotional and spiritual. Native Americans. . . Our contribution to the whole is our vision, our ability to see beyond the line of logic and taught truths. " That was Kevin's post. . . Here's mine: It touches me to hear and feel about this now for two reasons. . . one is the upcoming "Columbus Day." . . . and how our country celebrates "Columbus discovering America." When the Native Americans discovered Columbus. The indians were here before Columbus! Also, the native Americans had true respect for all of nature and all people... . and Columbus and subsequent white peoples came over, stole and devoured this country, trees, buffalo, people, 'fishes in the deep blue sea,' species, etc. The medicine wheel seems to respect and hold reverence for all. Thank you Joni and thank you Kevin. and also . . . No offense to all those loving people out there (you) who are sporting American Flags at this time, but the American flag doesn't do it for me. . .it speaks to one nation as if it is the most important. "All of it is important or none of it is." Why do we have the "patriotism" for people within our borders only, or more care for "our" people? This is a narrow view, to me. Many people are dying and are suffering NOW in other places than America (I am in no way diminishing the present tragedy.) I guess maybe it's the proximity thing. . . what about "All one people?" (and creatures). I have been thinking about a symbol that is patriotic to the planet.(I have to say that the word "patriotic" hits a negative chord in me just to say it). I like the ecology sign and flag (Where can I get one, anybody know?)although I think this speaks directly to the environment, then again, maybe we are all just part of the landscape . . . and The medicine wheel is probably the other closest symbol that speaks to "all one people, all one planet." Any other ideas? Symbols . . . hmmmmmm. No red, white and blue for me. thanks again kevin Marianne stardust, golden Rochester, NY ps. thanks cool joni people for being there and being YOU. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2001 15:51:48 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Thanks JMDL (sjc) - --- "Lori R. Fye" wrote: > Welcome, Julie!!! Glad you've decided to "come > out!" > There are quite a few > of us who just dance! Some of us can't even do that! But we show up anyway. (This from the person who has only been once, so far...) Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2001 15:53:17 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Today's Articles: September 30 - --- RoseMJoy@aol.com wrote: > Yay!!! The JMDL site is back up. Les must be back > home. You haven't missed > much Les, just that Kakki & Stephen chatted with > Joni for about an hour > yesterday ;0) And this time it's for real (there have been plenty of boys - and girls - who've cried "Joni" before, but this time, she really WAS there, unless Kakki and Steve are REALLY good at putting people on.) Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2001 15:11:09 -0500 From: "Sharon L. Buffington" Subject: Re: Joni content ;-) Personally I am wondering why Joni failed to comment on Mr. Stephen's red shoes. At the least a song ..."I fell for the gorgeous boy in red shoes" should be forthcoming. Kakki wrote: > > Still pinching myself - > > I don't know if Joni recognized me from before. Maybe - she sort of had a > slight look of recognition and turned and smiled over to me a few times > before we started talking, but I really don't know if that meant anything. > No one ever believes this but I am really shy sometimes and especially when > it's Joni!! So I didn't say "remember me" or anything about the list > because I had that conversation with her before and also when she met a > number of us after the "Painting With Words and Music" tapings in '98. > Stephen and I were so stunned the whole time and I think we just let her > talk and carry the conversation. And from my prior experience that's the > best way because if you just let her talk and go with her trains of thought, > she has so much to say! > > She is in real good shape and very slim. She was dressed very casually in > sort of tan/khaki slacks but I was suprised that she was wearing a sort of > pullover sweater and a vest in almost 90 degree weather! Her hair was up > and she had a little hat on and was wearing lots of beautiful, interesting > jewelry. > > She was quite outspoken on many topics, but we know that! She was very > funny and quippy, too, and had us shaking with laughter a few times. She > was very cute and very sweet. We collectively probably smoked about three > packs of cigarettes in that hour! She also sang a bit for us!! A few > verses from the song "Elijah" which I would love to see the lyrics to if > anyone knows them here. Her voice was gorgeous! > > I am still processing all she said and will probably think of more. I know > Stephen has much to write, too, so you will hear more from him soon! > > Kakki > > NP: Joni - Case of You ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2001 13:55:43 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: earth flag Marianne, I feel the same as you & am working with a friend of mine who has a perfect symbol for a flag that we are hoping to get manufactured...will let you know as soon as I get the details & a photo for you to see.... >>>and also . . . No offense to all those loving people out there (you) who are sporting American Flags at this time, but the American flag doesn't do it for me. . .it speaks to one nation as if it is the most important. "All of it is important or none of it is."...Any other ideas? Symbols . . . hmmmmmm. ******************************************** Kate Bennett www.katebennett.com sponsored by Polysonics www.polysonics.com Discover the Indies at Taylor Guitars: http://www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/bennett.html ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2001 13:55:42 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Subject: Joni content ;-) OMG, this is just too unfecking believable & cool for words!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! >> She also sang a bit for us!! A few verses from the song "Elijah" which I would love to see the lyrics to if anyone knows them here. Her voice was gorgeous!<<< ******************************************** Kate Bennett www.katebennett.com sponsored by Polysonics www.polysonics.com Discover the Indies at Taylor Guitars: http://www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/bennett.html ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2001 17:01:41 -0500 From: "Sharon L. Buffington" Subject: Re: Subject: Joni content ;-) what prompted her to sing a few verses from Elijah? Kate Bennett wrote: > > OMG, this is just too unfecking believable & cool for > words!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > > >> She also sang a bit for us!! A few verses from the song "Elijah" which I > would love to see the lyrics to if anyone knows them here. Her voice was > gorgeous!<<< > > ******************************************** > Kate Bennett > www.katebennett.com > sponsored by Polysonics www.polysonics.com > Discover the Indies at Taylor Guitars: > http://www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/bennett.html > ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2001 17:16:03 -0500 From: "kerry" Subject: Chat with Joni today - Holy Feck! Wasn't it nice of Joni to show up when we needed her most? Maybe she somehow sensed that we were reduced to talking about dryer lint and it was time to throw some excitement into our lives! Kerry NP - Chieftains and Joni - Magdalene Laundries ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2001 17:27:52 -0500 From: "Sharon L. Buffington" Subject: Re: Chat with Joni today - Holy Feck! I believe that is precisely why Joni showed up...but she could have come to Wisconsin. We could have shown her a good time with cheese curds, brats, ludefisk, and beer. A tuna melt....P U L E E Z E Sharon NLT Stevie Nicks new CD...thinking of certain festers kerry wrote: > > Wasn't it nice of Joni to show up when we needed her most? Maybe she > somehow sensed that we were reduced to talking about dryer lint and it was > time to throw some excitement into our lives! > > Kerry > NP - Chieftains and Joni - Magdalene Laundries ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2001 18:27:06 -0700 From: Leslie Mixon Subject: Our Ambassadors Congratulations to Kakki and Stephen! How lucky we are as a community to be represented by Kakki and Stephen. I'm relieved to hear that Joni is both feeling and looking healthy. There's nothing like a new puppy for a source of inspiration. Thank you for sharing. Love, Leslie ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2001 21:58:15 -0400 From: Bruyere Subject: Re: OK more of a report - long ;-) Oh get out! How lucky can two JMDLers get?! What a thrill for you both ... I'm so happy for you. Next time keep buying her drinks until we get there ;-) Best to you both - Heather At 01:34 AM 9/30/01 -0700, Kakki wrote: >Joni was so great today! She and a friend, both with little dogs came and >took a seat on the outside patio (only place to smoke) at the Daily Grill. >I was surprised to see her with a dog! Coco, the little, very lively >terrier was barking, yapping and yapping non-stop. Joni felt a little >self-conscious and was trying to calm her down and explaining to everyone >that Coco liked to bark at the birds. She would say a few times to all of >us sitting out there how Jack Russell terriers were bred to be >self-starters, independent and that they do not take well to being chained >up (Hehehe). At one point, she took the leash off and Coco was very happy >wandering around all our tables and NOT barking. Coco reminded me so much of >my dog years ago - part terrier and very much the same personality. So I >was telling Stephen about Daisy and Joni asked and we laughed about how they >rebel at being on the leash to the point of choking themselves and how they >can jump 5 feet straight up in the air and are so hyper, yet always sweet! >Meanwhile, Paula Abdul was sitting with a friend behind us and had gone up >and introduced herself to Joni and had a nice meeting with her. Later Paula >brought out pictures of her own dog to show Joni! So anyway, I was very >self-conscious and did not want to intrude on Joni. A large group of young >women came in and sat down at the patio. Almost immediately, one of them >started being VERY rude to Joni about Coco wandering about. Absolutely >rude. She went on about it being unsanitary about a dog near diners, etc., >blah, blah. Welllllll...., of course, Stephen and I gave Joni the eye that >we would be her "back up" and made a few light comments trying to laugh the >girl off. Joni was nice but also assertive with her and said "I'm sorry, I >just learned I can't bring the dog here, but she will bark if I leash her so >you have your choice - she wanders quietly or you can hear her bark >non-stop - it's your call!" The young punk, er, girl, told Joni quite >snottily to put the leash on. So the leash went on and then I said "Coco - >sing for us!!" Tee hee. Oh and yes, the cacophony started once again ;-) > >Somehow, a long, natural conversation began with Joni from there. She was >so open and honest right from the heart on many matters, including personal, >which I feel not right about sharing here but the point is that when you >have someone like Joni being so from the heart with basically strangers it >says something very profound about one's integrity - she is who she is in >all instances. I want to be so proper here about what she said, rather than >being just a blabbermouth. The first thing she brought up was what she kept >calling the "war." I asked her if she had been painting lately and she >immediately said "three since September 11th." She went on to explain to us >in great detail the various images she perceived from the WTC coverage - she >actually was taking photos of the TV footage with a "paper camera" trying to >capture everything. She saw many images and metaphors literally in the >smoke and said how difficult it was to capture them so fast. She had much >to say about it all. I still think we should wait to hear her words on >this - she sees it, of course, on a larger, global scale, prophetess that >she is. On related subjects that we spoke about, including the dismal state >of music these days, I opined that there hasn't been much good music since >the 60s. She disagreed with me and said that the real best music was back >in the 30s and 40 like Louis Armstrong. I said that I had also been >thinking about that lately - how those times were much worse for people than >today and yet they produced that music. She said - to the effect - that >yes, they could be so optimistic in the face of what was happening and >produce such life-affirming music and that was real integrity, real >strength. Yes, yes. > >We talked about so much - you know how she is from reading her interviews >and this was just one of the most incredible you have ever heard! We talked >about painting in general and her painting specifically. I mentioned that >Stephen and I were both painters and she wanted to know about Stephen's >paintings. I'll let him write more about that when he recovers ;-) We >talked about her next project coming up and she told us a lot that we >already knew from here - she is using the same crew - Vince Mendoza, and, as >she said her "ex-husband" ;-) We talked about Beethoven, Debussy and >Mozart. (Our heads were spinning ;-) She mentioned the reworking of her >songs but it is hard for me to articulate it now and relate it properly. Ya >had ta be there ;-D > >So - somehow I brought up about her not writing lately and she said she had >not been able to write for awhile. Then she said, "no one is interested >anymore in what I have to say." God. We immediately jumped in and said "OH >YES, WE ARE." And Stephen added emphatically "your listeners ARE." Then >she said that this event, the "war" HAS evoked her writing again. Oh yes! > >She talked about Robert Hilburn (our longtime music guru in L.A.) and how >he, for awhile, did not quite "get" her. I said that my impression was >always that Hilburn (who is so damn picky) adored her. Naw, she said, he >always told her that he didn't like her foray into jazz and she would tell >him that the folk music was not as creative as what she did with the jazz. >I told her that hey, there were albums I didn't "get" at first, either, but >I always thought that was my problem, not hers, and I just figured that she >was 20 years ahead of her time. She laughed and said she didn't "get" some >of the stuff she did, either ;-) I said that the critics who didn't get her >years ago certainly have reconsidered and get her now. She said, "well, I >never was writing to write "hit music." > >So I may think of more that is right to say here later, but for now, the >brilliant news is that she is very inspired to write again and we do need to >hear from her. > >Kakki, heart still beating like a hummingbird ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2001 #305 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she?