From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2001 #300 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Wednesday, September 26 2001 Volume 2001 : Number 300 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Today's Articles: September 26 [les@jmdl.com] Thanks... (but be warned - long and sappy) [Merk54@aol.com] more than a couple of prophets? (sjc) [PMcfad@aol.com] Re: Desert Island Disks ["Mike Pritchard" ] Re: VLJC - First post and 10 desert island discs ["hell" ] Re: My Top 10 Desert Island Discs- Tougher Version [Coyote4Joni@aol.com] Klingerman virus hoax ["Lori R. Fye" ] Re: Happy Trails to you (Quicksilver Messenger Service version) N JC [Ash] kakki ;joni;thomas merton ["shane mattison" ] Harbourfront Tribute October ["Stephen Epstein" ] Top Ten Island Discs ["Ron Greer" ] No where else ["blonde in the bleachers" ] James & Joni [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] The JMDL (a lurker's perspective) ["James L. Leonard" ] Overture ["William Waddell" ] If you had just one question ... ["William Waddell" ] Toronto here I come!!!!! [FMYFL@aol.com] Re: If you had just one question ... [jan ] Re: No where else ["Dolphie Bush" ] jaco ["William Waddell" ] ONB ["William Waddell" ] RE: Happy Trails to you (Quicksilver Messenger Service version) [Susan Gu] Re: The JMDL (a lurker's perspective) [Rusty10113@aol.com] Re: jaco [Les Irvin ] In the background ["William Waddell" ] Re: joni;thomas merton ["Kakki" ] you're o.k. ["shane mattison" ] Re: Top Ten Island Discs ["Marian" ] 10 desert island picks (10% jc, of course) [Brian Gross ] Nuclear reactions run amuck on the jmdl [Brian Gross ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2001 03:04:51 -0400 From: les@jmdl.com Subject: Today's Articles: September 26 On September 26 these articles were published: 1997: "Pass the Salt, Please" - JMDL (Interview, with photographs) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/docs/970626li.cfm 1998: "Mitchell Brings Perspective and Wit to 'Taming the Tiger'" - Los Angeles Times (Review - Album) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/docs/980926lat.cfm - ------------------------ The JMDL Article Database has 633 titles. http://www.jmdl.com/articles ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2001 03:12:24 EDT From: Merk54@aol.com Subject: Thanks... (but be warned - long and sappy) Dear Norma and the rest of the JMDL, It's been quite awhile since I've written anything, and I apologize for that. With everything that has happened lately, it is almost inexcusable to have sat back in silence. The events of the last week pretty much ripped the life out of me. For about a month now, I have been floating about in a state of mild depression - supposedly a common occurance about six months after open heart surgery. I'm not really sure what brought it all on. I felt great (still do, actually), lost over 35 pounds, was excercising regularly, and eating healthily. Then one day, I woke up, and it didn't really seem to matter that much anymore. Then came Tuesday, September 11, and the moment I've feared since air raid practice in third grade finally arrived; America was under attack. And as horrible as the tragedies of that day are, I fear they are nothing compared to what may still await us and the rest of world. While I absolute agree that these criminals must be brought to justice, it breaks my heart to think about the human cost of this effort. Flash forward to today. I decided to check my email for the first time in days. You've got mail!!! 476 pieces of mail to be exact! My first reaction was to just delete them, and start all over, but for some reason I decided to read some them - and I'm so glad I did. What a facinating blend of topics. America under attack! John's birthday! Petty squabbles (after the eleventh, isn't it a little bit selfish to have such petty squabbles?)! Dream festivals! Desert Island Music! Desert Island Music! I'm not sure why I love this topic so much, but for some reason, I really do. To ask someone to select only ten albums to sustain them musically for the rest of their lives is a pretty serious undertaking. It's not like picking a top ten - with a desert island selection, you're picking choices at the complete exclusion of others. Of course I'll pick Hejira, but that means I'll never be able to listen to Blue or Court and Spark or Don Juan's Reckless Daughter or Turbulent Indigo ever again! Yikes!!! Anyway, in my next email, I'll send out my desert island picks, but in the mean time, I thought I would share my reaction to reading yours. First off, thanks to everyone who has taken the time to complete this challenge. It's reminded me of some incredible mucic, made me re-examine my own music collection, and has turned me on to some amazing new music - most especially, Eva Cassidy - Songbird. What a marvelous discovery this is! How is it possible that I've never heard of this woman before? I picked up my copy Borders - they just received a big shipment of them, and she was even featured at one of their listening stations. I've only listened to this disc once, but I can already tell it's going to have a lasting impact on. I encourage everyone on this list who is not familiar with Eva, to rush out and get this cd. It's a rare beauty. Which brings me to Norma's letter. I dialed in specifically to mention Eva's Songbird and what an impact it had on me, and what is one of the first emails I read, but Norma's letter with the words to 'Oh Had I A Golden Thread' in it. Then I find the following quote near the end of the email: Most of us go to our grave with our music still inside of us. For some reason, this really struck me, but not because I felt like I was one of those who would go to their grave without ever releasing the music in themselves, but for realizing that I was one of the blessed ones who was able to. And this made me realize what a special gift I've been given, in that I've been able to live the life I've chosen, love a woman who loves me back, enjoy the companionship of some very special people, and experience an abundance of life's many wonders. It's really helped me realize how fortunate I've been, and how happy and thankful I am for all the joys life has passed my way. So thanks everyone. You've really helped waken this sleeping old soul. Jack ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2001 04:49:31 EDT From: PMcfad@aol.com Subject: more than a couple of prophets? (sjc) now this is freaky. i had the best day yesterday since sept 10. i was travelling in philly, where i grew up but have not lived for almost 15 years. i was driving across the turnpike listening to wpen whici made me feel so good to hear live..david die etc. anyway, i turned it down to take a phone call and then forgot about the radio and then turned it back up and what was playing.....slouching. and i was so happy. it just felt exactly right and i knew there was no way in hell i'd ever hear that song on the radio in georgia or north carolina. that particular song has strong emotions attached to it for a lot of jmdlers and it made me think that when i left philly, i felt so badly about myself and the years that have past have changed all that. and that song is central to me accepting certain things and then enjoying life and i was just so happy to hear it yesterday. pat np. rt-cooksferry queen > Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2001 19:25:14 -0400 > From: Anne Sandstrom > Subject: more than a couple of prophets? (sjc) > > I've been listening to Night Ride Home. "Slouching Towards Bethlehem" is one > of my favorite songs of hers. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2001 10:51:35 +0200 From: "Mike Pritchard" Subject: Re: Desert Island Disks Re: Desert Island Disks In no particular order Hejira - JM Astral Weeks -Van Morrison Songs in the Key of Life - Stevie Wonder Caravanserai - Santana Chicago Transit Authority - Chicago Blood - This Mortal Coil Hatful of Hollow - Smiths Girls, Girls, Girls -Elvis Costello (if no compilations, This Year's Model) Blue Valentine - Tom Waits Blood on the Tracks - Bob Dylan I had to leave out a lot (yeah, yeah, yeah) and so I'd like to propose another list of 'fusion' albums. 'Fusion' here means people doing stuff from other musical cultures, including two people doing 'crossover' stuff (see the first 4 for examples). This would NOT include Ella and Louis doing Porgy and Bess. Passages - Philip Glass and Ravi Shankar Officium - Jan Garbarek and the Hilliard Ensemble Ragas and Sagas - Jan Garbarek and Ustad Fateh Ali Khan A Meeting By The River - Ry Cooder and V.M. Bhatt The Sweetest Punch / Painted From Memory - Frisell, Costello, Bacharach Secret Story - Pat Metheny LSO The Juliet Letters - Elvis Costello and The Brodski Quartet The Concert for Garcia Lorca - Ben Sidran (& Garcia Lorca) West Side Story - Leonard Bernstein Canciones de mi Padre - Linda Ronstadt (help me, I'm winging it here.) Mike in BCN ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2001 23:07:23 +1200 From: "hell" Subject: Re: VLJC - First post and 10 desert island discs Ayoze wrote: > I enjoy a lot reading the list and hope to participate more in the > future, even if my English isn't very good. After all, SIQUOMB. Welcome to the list - and your English seems fine to me! Hell (aka Helen in NZ) ____________________________ "To have great poets, there must be great audiences too." - Walt Whitman hell@ihug.co.nz Hell's Personal Photo Page: http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hell/main/personal.htm Visit the NBLs (Natural Born Losers) at: http://www.nbls.co.nz ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2001 23:59:35 +1200 From: "hell" Subject: Re: My Top 10 Desert Island Discs- Tougher Version Les wrote: > I really love this idea....but it should be songs and not albums...cruel > huh?! And then you should declare if you had to lose all but one, which one. Oh, this should be easy.....NOT! But I'm always up for a challenge. I would like to point out that this is my list at 23:59 on Wednesday 26th September, and it will have changed in 5 minutes time! So, in no particular order: 1. Joni - Hejira (or Two Grey Rooms - I can't decide, but Hejira's longer so we'll stick with that!) 2. CSNY - Carry On 3. Stevie Nicks - Silver Spring 4. Shona Laing - Thief To Silver 5. Indigo Girls - Nashville 6. Carole King - Come Down Easy 7. Santana - Samba Pa Ti 8. Bonnie Raitt - You 9. Stephen Stills - Haven't We Lost Enough 10. James Taylor - Only One Hell ____________________________ "To have great poets, there must be great audiences too." - Walt Whitman hell@ihug.co.nz Hell's Personal Photo Page: http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hell/main/personal.htm Visit the NBLs (Natural Born Losers) at: http://www.nbls.co.nz ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2001 15:24:33 +0200 From: M.Russell@iaea.org Subject: RE: Happy Trails to you (Quicksilver Messenger Service version) N JC On 26 September 2001 15:17, Vince Lavieri [SMTP:revrvl@chartermi.net] wrote: > My leaving will surely be an answer to some people's prayers... > > Good-bye all. > > (the Rev) Vince I think it is a mistake for you to leave, Vince. Marian ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2001 09:25:58 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: New member - welcome! <> Wow - Bahrain! Another new "pin on the map"! :~) Welcome, Khalil...please tell more about how you came to know about Joni during the time of "Desert Storm". Bob ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2001 15:43:59 +0200 From: M.Russell@iaea.org Subject: RE: Happy Trails to you (Quicksilver Messenger Service version) N JC On 26 September 2001 15:17, Vince Lavieri [SMTP:revrvl@chartermi.net] wrote: > I note no one else has jumped in to > say a word for me. Again, here is another battle, and I didn't get the specifics because I didn't read the arguments and personal attacks. Probably a lot of other people didn't either. I didn't jump in to say a word for you because I didn't realize that anything was going on, Vince, not because I thought you were wrong or not worth defending or I don't know what. Debra and Vince, you both contribute so much to JMDL. Please let's try to stay engaged and have peaceful discussions. If we of all people on earth can't interact peacefully, how on earth can we expect that the Palestinians and the Israelis or those in Northern Ireland will ever find peace????? Love from Vienna, Marian ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2001 06:53:40 -0700 From: "Bill O'Neill" Subject: JMDL Digest V2001 #299 Hi, I'm Bill, a new member of the list. I've been a fan of Joni since I first heard her in the 70s ("Clouds"). What recordings, legitimate, bootleg or otherwise feature Joni Mitchell and James Taylor. If these recordings exist when and where were they recorded and what songs are on them. I've heard "Circle Game" with Joni and James and I expect that there were others. It's my understanding that J & J were having a passionate affair both romantically and musically and that "Blue" was the product of their breakup. Thanks. Bill ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2001 10:11:29 EDT From: Coyote4Joni@aol.com Subject: Re: My Top 10 Desert Island Discs- Tougher Version Okay, Hell, now I am inspired: No order and subject to change mid-list: 1. Lucky Girl - You Know Who 2. Carole King: Caanan 3. Stones: Can You Hear Me Knockin'? 4. Dionne (her again): Virou Areia 5. Rundgren: Can We Still Be Friends? or Want of a Nail (damn, can't decide) 6. Dan Hartman: Vertigo/Relight My Fire 7. Donna Summer: MacArthur Park Suite (note: 6 and 7 are very long, so, cheating here) 8. Led Zepplin: Over the hill... 9. Billy Idol: Eyes Without a Face 10: Diana King: Say a Little Prayer No regrets, Coyote Rick Casa Alegre Hollywood, California ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2001 08:14:35 -0700 (PDT) From: "Lori R. Fye" Subject: Klingerman virus hoax Everyone, If you receive an email regarding the "Klingerman virus," which arrives via snail mail in a suspicious "blue envelope," it's a HOAX. Please see this CDC link: http://www.cdc.gov/ncidod/klingerman_hoax.htm Lori, disgusted with this kind of crap in MD ~ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2001 11:53:44 EDT From: AsharaJM@aol.com Subject: Re: Happy Trails to you (Quicksilver Messenger Service version) N JC Marian wrote: > Please let's try to stay engaged and have peaceful discussions. If we of > all people on earth can't interact peacefully, how on earth can we expect > that the Palestinians and the Israelis or those in Northern Ireland will > ever find peace????? I couldn't agree more. My silence stem from a way I choose to live my life. When there is bickering going on, for the most part, I choose to not take part in it. It has nothing to do with not supporting or not standing up for people I care for.When you have a "tug of war" and one end "drops the rope" there is no battle anymore. There can't be. This is what I think: The JMDL has been a beacon of light, over and beyond other lists, over and beyond many other communities. It has been largely a tolerant place filled with intelligent people where people have, for the most part, respected and honored each other. We have celebrated each other's differences, respected differing opinions, and largely been a kind and caring family. There have been many times I have almost unsubscribed myself, but haven't because of the community that has developed here. It is breaking my heart that people are leaving right and left because of the bickering. Many people have asked that cooler heads prevail. This is a very difficult time in ALL out lives. ALL of us- Christian, Jew, Muslim, Pagan, Black, White, rich, poor, thin, fat, American, those from different countries, ALL of us from every walk of life. We have ALL been touched by this tragedy, and our lives will never be the same. NONE of our lives will ever be the same. We have seen the unthinkable. We have moved into a world that we never thought could be. Our nerves are frayed, our emotions high, and understandably so. I believe we are not thinking with the clearest of heads, or showing our best sides at this time. I flew this past weekend on 4 different flights. I wasn't afraid to fly, but was extremely emotional walking down the corridors of Logan airport, thinking of the many acquaintances and those I didn't know from Flight 11 and 175 that had walked those same pathways only days before, expecting a safe and uneventful flight. Mine *was* uneventful, and I thank my lucky stars that it was, especially since in today's Boston paper there was an article stating how law enforcement agencies, testing the security system, were able to get through security with a pocketful of bullets, and a large buck knife. We live in a different world now. Each day that we are able to come home to our families and friends, into their loving arms safe and secure, is another day to feel blessed. Over 6,400 people cannot do that. We are so blessed to have this caring community to come "home" to, to share with, to communicate with. It is IMPERATIVE that we come together and find peace within ourselves NOW. It is important to have *respectful* differing opinions. It is how we learn and grow. But I believe each one of us has a responsibility to each other to try to find peace here, within ourselves. We are a microcosm of the world. It saddens me to lose even ONE of our valued members, let alone the many numbers that have left recently. Michael, Vince, Roberto, and all others that have left, or are considering leaving, please rethink your choice. We need each other. For what it's worth, with hugs, Ashara ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2001 10:20:37 -0600 From: "shane mattison" Subject: kakki ;joni;thomas merton thanks so much kakki...i think yes you'd have liked what he stood for. yes i read that joni said a couple of times in interviews that she reads or has read merton...she and tom merton are my two favourite people... (i too almost became a monk!) i imagine that joni might like a number of things about thomas merton: 1) tom is primarily an artist, one of the finest poets to be found. he also produced beautiful chinese calligraphy and photographs of nature. many of his writings are full of the profoundest humour as well. 2) like joni, tom wanted to be a universal person. He was born in prades france, schooled in England, of american parents with a new zealand background. He loved jazz and writing- he did his master's thesis at columbia on william blake, while joining his often radical writer friends at jazz joints down on 52st - - where he undoubtedly saw america's living jazz legends. He was a partier too! He and his friends hung out with a guru named bramachari, who recommended to him that he study augustine's confessions. Then he experienced regeneration and became a catholic, then a trappist monk. After a while, he was illumined by visiting downtown louisville one day ("i loved those people") and dedicated himself to zen, the peace movement, civil rights for american blacks, and studied wisdom from zen men, sufis, native americans, and protestants like Barth. He then had his reknowned eastern pilgrimage, met with the dali lama and other lamas, and died by accidental electrocution at a lecture of assembled christian and buddhist monks and nuns in bangkok... certain zen men called merton the 'buddha from the west,' though he would have just laughed! Curiously, the more universal he got, the more he at the same time remained a very orthodox christian believer...he just invented a new language for communicating the beautiful news about jesus ... 3) in his own way, thomas merton was a lover. Before his conversion, he partied 'too heavily' at Cambridge, taking out all kinds of gals, even getting one of them pregnant, for which he was exiled back to america. It is believed his ex-girlfriend and child may have perished in the blitz. There is a definite romantic element in merton's spiritual classics, and one could argue that he wrote some things, like poems and short stories, as if they were songs. Then as a mature monk and enlightened man, he fell in love with a young nurse when he was hospitalized with back problems (also shared with joni). His friends saw this as healthy and would set up romantic picnics for him and his 'girlfriend.' He loved her and she loved him, but he felt he couldn't give up his vocation after all. 4) though merton was alot older than joni (born 1916), his reputation became large with the sixties countercultural movements, so he got visits from people like joan baez, and friends would bring him beatles records. He even was attacked by female fans who snuck into the monastery property to his hermitage and jumped him in the woods! 5) thomas merton and joni mitchell have been accurately described as enneagram 'fours.' There would likely be a large share of 'fours' on this list. The four is a person who may have had some 'hole' in their childhood, absences and moving (like Tom's parents' early death, or joni's bout with polio). The orphan archetype then is a part of them, and their over-compensation for feelings of exile is to make them- selves "special" (i think pierre trudeau was one of the few 4's who were politicians, and yes, he and tom merton wore berets!!) ...this is a gift for art and beauty, ("please take notice - i shine!") but is also their dysfunctional motivation in the sense that they can stumble towards a certain elitism in being 'unique'. Inside of them is an an abandoned child crying to be noticed and 'accepted.' Their lifelong calling is to finally recognize 'right and wrong' and take up justice as a concern, forget themselves, and produce (work hard), and finally , see the sacred in the ordinary ...for this they need God's grace! The Dali Lama still refers to Thomas Merton as probably the one person on earth he was the most inspired with. He can still get his voice cracking and his eyes teary when he speaks of what he and merton could have done together for world peace. Merton was a centrist though, even though he wrote against the Vietnam War and warned of the military-industrial complex. He had no illusions of the soviets and communist chinese though. He wanted us to change certain blindspots that we ourselves have. I think he indicated he could understand a 'just war', but Vietnam wasn't one to him, but he didn't like ostentatious demonstrations and also pulled back and dissociated himself from 'draft card burnings' and building occupations and the like, though he remained friends with the berrigans and others. Thomas was always first and foremost interested in the mystical and poetic side of life, and became a devout practitioner of meditation. Joni has spoken of her buddhist practice side and its safe to say that she has an interest in Christianity too. They both shared a great interest in native spirituality. Recommended reading: Merton's "New Seeds of Contemplation" and google search for thomas merton sites. shane ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2001 12:31:14 -0400 From: "Stephen Epstein" Subject: Harbourfront Tribute October Hi all, Any and all going to the Toronto tribute next month, please mail me off-list so we can plan a get together! Thanks in advance Stephen in Vancouver ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2001 18:54:31 +0200 From: "Ron Greer" Subject: Top Ten Island Discs hi id probably go for - in no particular order from number 2 onwards: 01 - shadows & light 02 - bob dylan - bob dylan 03 - mary chapin carpenter - hometown girl 04 - emmylou harris - wrecking ball 05 - michelle shocked - kindheartedwoman (Original acoustic version) 06 - daniel lanois - for the beauty of winona 07 - tom waits - tales from the underground ('cause its 5 discs long & i can get more music!!) 08 - richard thompson - action packed - the best of richard thompson 09 - beth orton - central reservation 10 - keb mo - keb mo & smuggle on disc - sophie b hawkins - timbre & i have to ask - i recently got hold of an album called "love me or leave me - the best of mary coughlan" which was on my list but got bumped when i remembered the keb mo :-) does anyone know anything about her - she is absolutely superb!!!! a warm, voice, plenty of timbre, styles of music all over the place, great arrangements, some really, really wicked lyrics (tho i dont think she writes them - she sure knows how to pick them!!) if you like mary chapin carpenter - run, dont walk (to steal a phrase from this list) to check out the "other" mary ron ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2001 13:15:40 -0400 From: "blonde in the bleachers" Subject: No where else "My leaving will surely be an answer to some people's prayers... Good-bye all. (the Rev) Vince" I am sorry but everytime I read some post of some one having a little hissy fit and declaring they are leaving, it really makes me want to laugh my ass off. This is a hard time for everyone and everyone has a different opinion and a different way of looking at things, but just because some one may hurt your feelings or disagree with your beliefs or in the heat of the moment write things that cause you pain you can't go run away and say you will never post again, what does that prove? Nothing, except you will miss out on great posts about Joni Mitchell and her albums. Sometimes events transcend the actual point of this discussion list, and this one rightfully should, it effects everyone, but we are a diverse community with different ideas and beliefs, and sometimes passionate debates are bound to happen. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2001 13:22:06 EDT From: Rusty10113@aol.com Subject: Re: No where else Amen to that! I couldn't have said it better, as one who loves the Joni news and lists that flourish here, but roll my eyes every time another sensitive soul takes some silly post personally... thanks for sharing with us.. M ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2001 12:26:29 -0500 From: cvickery@danielrealty.com Subject: Re: No where else << but [I] roll my eyes every time another sensitive soul takes some silly post personally>> what you see as a silly post might not seem so silly when they're coming after *you* with the boards and nails! just my $.02. cindy ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2001 12:39:16 -0500 From: "William Waddell" Subject: Mama and Betsie say Blood on the Tracks - The ultimate album Hejira - The epitome of taste Abbey Road - The best example of what is possible Meet me in the blue motel room bathroom window. Same eyes just like yours. Mud slide slip sliding away on a free, free... way. One song he played I could really feel. Old Willy sings and points a boney finger at you ... from a shanty street rain falling on my shoes, heading out for Sunday on the phone to Monday. Hey! Any other Prince fans out there? Ain't heard a diddley squat from HRP in a while. What is this about Him being a JW? Sign o' the Times? Member of the Dorothy Parker club. Horticulture. Help me I think I'm ... Willy the Chic _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2001 14:17:06 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: James & Joni Firstly Bill, let me welcome you to the "never a dull moment" of the JMDL! :~) <> Among the legitimate recordings are the ones on "Blue" where James backs up Joni on some tracks. Check the record credits for more detail. He also sings back-up vocals on "Man To Man" on Joni's "Wild Things Run Fast" release. The two of them also sing backup on Carole King's "Will You Love Me Tomorrow" from Tapestry. Joni does a beautiful duet with James on "Long Ago & Far Away" on his excellent "Mud Slide Slim" release, as well as add vocals to "You've Got A Friend". As for bootlegs, there is basically one. They performed together (and separately) at the Royal Albert Hall in 1970 (the exact date is unconfirmed, but from what I can tell the recording date and the broadcast date on the BBC were both in December). As this was a radio broadcast, the quality of the recording is very nice. There are MANY different bootlegs out there of this show, some that identify it as 1972 and 1973. As far as I know, there is only one. Here is the complete songlist, including some soundcheck material: 1. Joni - That Song About The Midway 2. Joni - The Gallery 3. James - Rainy Day Man 4. James - Steamroller Blues 5. Joni - The Priest 6. Joni - Carey 7. James - Carolina In My Mind 8. Both - California 9. Both - For Free 10. Both - The Circle Game 11. Both - You Can Close Your Eyes 12. Joni - Hunter 13. Joni - River 14. Joni - My Old Man 15. Both - A Case of You 16. Joni - Carey (with extended story) If you're interested in obtaining this audio, it's available both in cassette or CD, for only the cost of postage and blank media. It's the one that Brian Gross hooked me with, and now I'm a hopeless addict slut. But no 12-step program for me, thank you veddy much! :~) Hope that answers your questions, looking forward to hearing more from you! Bob NP: Andy Partridge, "The Wheel & The Maypole" (demo) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2001 14:31:47 -0400 From: "James L. Leonard" Subject: The JMDL (a lurker's perspective) When I first subscribed to the JMDL, I jumped in with both feet and posted a lot. It didn't take long for me to retreat into lurk mode, by choice, but I've faithfully read every JMDL Digest for about a year and a half now. Why did I retreat? The truth is that the high level of interpersonal communication that exists here on the JMDL makes me uncomfortable, at least from a participatory standpoint. I often feel that much of what is posted here would be best posted privately, one lister to another. There's so much "personal business" on this list. I'm on other lists, devoted to other artists, and there's nothing like the JMDL's touchy-feely-ness about them. I think the personality you've allowed the JMDL to develop has its pros and cons, but as a fan of Joni Mitchell's, I think it's mostly cons. I believe the "loving, caring community" you strive for sets you up for these constant petty wars. For me, it's been like having been invited to a non-stop peoples' party where I end up being Stone Cold Grace, behind her fan. Some people here have so much of their ego and self-image invested in their "JMDL image" that slights are seen where none are intended. There's a constant need by some on the list to be seen as the most eloquent, or the most sensitive, or the most knowledgeable and well-read, or the most caring, and, when there's so much, by so many, invested in that kind of thing, this circle game of war and peace on the list is bound to "reoccur" (intended Joni-related humor there). There's all this talk about how much everybody loves one another so much. Sometimes when I'm reading all these selfless, loving, caring pronouncements, I wonder what it would be like to see a "Reality TV" re-make of Hitchcock's "Lifeboat," starring the JMDLers. I don't want off-list flames (see Debra vs. Marcel). Call me what you will on the list, however. That's fair. You all seem to be nice people (with the possible exception of Paul IV :-)) and I don't have a single thing against any of you. All I'm trying to tell you is that what I had hoped to find here was a Joni Mitchell Discussion List, which at least had music as its foundation, if not Joni's music, exclusively. Mostly, though, what I've found here is a Social Club cum Fly On The Wall At The Local Psychoanalyst's Office List. I don't think a true "JMDL" is possible under these circumstances, and I don't see a way to retrench from what's been established here now. Something lost on many list members, I believe, is that there are probably hundreds of lurkers like me. It's not just a small circle that reads all these cringe-inducing personal posts. They would be wonderful, one lister to another in times of pain or joy, but, instead, they seem disingenuous to me in their having been sent for all to see. With love and best wishes (say what you will, because I do care for you knuckleheads), Jim ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2001 15:04:26 -0400 From: slarty Subject: Club 47 I've come across some mp3's of Joni singing live from Club 47. From what I gather there is at least 12 songs since the mp3s' are numbered, maybe from some bootleg cd. I don't think they've appeared on any of the trees. Any one know more about these recordings. Ken ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2001 14:11:03 -0500 From: "William Waddell" Subject: Overture Thinking about when you go to "Overture". Any time you listen to ... Such a flighty intro - takes me any time I go to ... Cotton ... See that patch ... I guess it's just the ... The intro makes me think of possibilities, makes me think of guitar tunings and the possibilties there within, the hope, the summer in the young blood. I find the intro makes me think of things of ... What goes thru your head? Martha, landscapes? From Willy the Shake, you know neither a borrower, shut me up and talk to me. WX _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2001 15:05:18 -0500 From: "William Waddell" Subject: If you had just one question ... I'd love to ask Joni how she conceived "Paprika Plains". _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2001 16:02:07 EDT From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: No where else In a message dated 9/26/01 1:17:29 PM Eastern Daylight Time, blondeinthebleachers@hotmail.com writes: > (the Rev) Vince" I am sorry but everytime I read some post of some one > having a little hissy fit and declaring they are leaving, it really makes > me want to laugh my ass off. This is a hard time for everyone and > everyone has a different opinion and a different way of looking at > things, but just because some one may hurt your feelings or disagree with > your beliefs or in the heat of the moment write things that cause you > pain you can't go run away and say you will never post again, what does > that prove? Nothing, except you will miss out on great posts about Joni > Mitchell and her albums. I think this is a most salient point. People who feel they have to leave the list because others do not agree with their POLITICAL viewpoints are merely hurting themselves. I do not wish them to go, but I also think if they are that weak then I swill not miss them. Paul I ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2001 15:07:05 -0500 From: "William Waddell" Subject: Just one question Why'd you have to be so jive? _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2001 16:05:46 EDT From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Toronto here I come!!!!! It's now official. "Coyote" Rick Hobbs and I will be attending the hommage to Joni at the Harbourfront Center in Toronto on Oct. 19th. Looking forward to seeing all the jmdlers that are attending! Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2001 13:05:00 -0700 From: jan Subject: Re: If you had just one question ... At 03:05 PM 9/26/01 -0500, William Waddell wrote: >I'd love to ask Joni how she conceived "Paprika Plains". Who's Paprika Plains? - -jan ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2001 15:06:45 -0500 From: "Dolphie Bush" Subject: Re: No where else right on blonde. Mack - ----- Original Message ----- From: "blonde in the bleachers" To: Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2001 12:15 PM Subject: No where else > "My leaving will surely be an answer to some people's prayers... > > Good-bye all. > > (the Rev) Vince" I am sorry but everytime I read some post of some one > having a little hissy fit and declaring they are leaving, it really makes > me want to laugh my ass off. This is a hard time for everyone and > everyone has a different opinion and a different way of looking at > things, but just because some one may hurt your feelings or disagree with > your beliefs or in the heat of the moment write things that cause you > pain you can't go run away and say you will never post again, what does > that prove? Nothing, except you will miss out on great posts about Joni > Mitchell and her albums. Sometimes events transcend the actual point of > this discussion list, and this one rightfully should, it effects > everyone, but we are a diverse community with different ideas and > beliefs, and sometimes passionate debates are bound to happen. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2001 15:40:46 -0500 From: "William Waddell" Subject: jaco Les wrote; Is this really how he died? Wx _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2001 15:42:11 -0500 From: "William Waddell" Subject: ONB I wish I felt nothing _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2001 13:48:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Susan Guzzi Subject: RE: Happy Trails to you (Quicksilver Messenger Service version) Rev. Vince wrote: I note no one else has jumped in to say a word for me. I now get to go to work with a new and painful burden in my soul. In fact I am now late for work because the pain of this has caught me in a way that I did not expect. In that we have reached a point where a discussion of historical fact leads to charges of my being vehemently anti-Catholic then whatever I am doing here is not doing any good, and the attacks by this friend and silence of others tells me that it is time for me to go. I am making no contribution in here if *this* is how what I wrote is interpreted. Speaking to Vince first: Because we do have a friendly acquaintance here and to some degree off list, I am hurt by this reference and I am also sorry for you. My silence is due to my atheism and my perspective on the Catholic church, which I have mentioned before is not held in the highest regards by me personally. I have no desire to get into it with people over this issue. Vince, I choose not to get in the battle cause you are saying pretty much what I think of the Catholic church or what I know to be true about it. Please do what you must perhaps take abreak, but please do not leave. FOR ALL: I find many of these overly factual references by several folks, on any subject and from either side of the aisle or extreme to be getting somewhat self indulgent. It's becoming who knows the most - who's the smartest - who's got the most facts. Well the sheer length of some of these posts is somewhat cumbersome. I often rely on my opinion, this (an opinion)is a thing that has some personal experience or perspective thrown into the hopper of facts and VOILA! -an opinion is born. Personally I love a good friendly argument. But these things seem to drag on and on and on. It's becoming a tit for a tat. As I mentioned earlier you and I and others who have spoken up here agree quite a bit. Yes in fact I did speak up for Kakki in earlier posts, but my GOD (did I just say god?), she's up there with Joan of Arc after the beating she's been taking here. The fact is, as I now echo redundancy, Kakki and I are more often on the opposite side rather than the same. But that's not a bad thing, cause she has always handled herself with respect & regard for the opposing opinion. Some folks here have sounded pretty condescending at times. See for me, the good part or the common thread is more important than winning every fecking point. I think for the most part here most people are feeling the same - frustrated, confused, angry, depressed, sad and scared. Where is our compassion? Where is our levity? Where do the heavy handed posters expect this to go or to end? We are caught way up in semantics and egos in some cases here, get to your points. I can't help but understand some people leaving. I wish you all wouldn't - this too shall pass! I do not usually write such long posts. I do not feel I am as articulate as some here and I also would rather speak less, but say more, than enjoy the very sound of my own voice or keyboard, as it may be. I learn as much here from people I don't agree with as I do from those that I do. People ... instead of pointing fingers and waving them in each others faces ... Let's get ourselves back to the garden, we are way over due Peace Much Love & Plenty of Tears on this post Susan Guzzi ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2001 17:00:10 EDT From: Rusty10113@aol.com Subject: Re: The JMDL (a lurker's perspective) As another "lurker" out there, I must say, this is my sentiment, times two... I am so glad there is a Joni list, with joni news, musings, and shared love of her music (lets' face it, most out there just dont' get her, and it's a joy to connect with people who do), but the drama, oh man, I've got enough of that surviving in NYC! I've said my peace, now I'm gonna turn on my current Joni passion, "Marici" from the very beginning..love M ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2001 15:00:23 -0600 From: Les Irvin Subject: Re: jaco At 02:40 PM 9/26/2001, you wrote: >today from injuries suffered in a beating at a bar in Florida.> >Is this really how he died? According the biography written on him, Jaco, in a mentally challenged state, tried a number of times to jump onstage and play with a local band in the bar. Neither the band or the bouncer realized or knew who he was. The bouncer hauled him out into the back alley and beat him senseless. Jaco slipped into a coma for a few days and never recovered. I may not have all the facts correct as it's been years since I've read the account. Les ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2001 16:12:04 -0500 From: "William Waddell" Subject: In the background I'm having an afternoon of self indulgence to self ... just before I leave the beautiful US of A. Listening to a ton of ... I love Joni's back harmonies. From Woodstock To Off Night Back Street She does such a great back up for herself so oft. Favourite back up? Listen, strains of ... the recline buttons down. Is anyone familiar with JT's Gaia? Now playing. I'm so emotional. The rosy dawn. Man it's beau! Stop us now. Gaia. Take us back to long ago and far away. Anyhoo, Joni in the background harmonies. Her best back ups. Ain't there just tons. Wx _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2001 14:26:21 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: joni;thomas merton Wow Shane! Thank you so much for all this information and insight on Merton. I had no idea! Oooo, he sounds like my kind of guy, for sure ;-) Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2001 15:53:26 -0600 From: "shane mattison" Subject: you're o.k. emails people can take the wrong way. i took that you all meant well... you're o.k.! shalom, shane ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2001 00:08:13 +0200 From: "Marian" Subject: Re: Top Ten Island Discs Ron Greer wrote: > 03 - mary chapin carpenter - hometown girl Oh my god! This made me remember Mary Chapin Carpenter's 10,000 Miles!!!! Such a beautiful song! Marian Vienna marian@jmdl.com http://www.jmdl.com/guitar/marian/guitar.htm ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2001 18:21:34 -0400 From: Brian Gross Subject: 10 desert island picks (10% jc, of course) this should be easy, right? ha!!!!!!! in no order, except as my cds are racked here in the office: loreena mckinnett - the mask and mirror karla bonoff - all my life (her best of, gee, i hope that doesn't get me kicked off the island) natalie merchant - ophelia laura nyro - stoned soul picnic (another best of, i think i'm pushing my luck here) fairport convention - meet on the ledge joni - court and spark (the middle of the holy trinity) john prine - john prine (hey, i hope there's some of that bc bud growing on this island, i could use an illegal smile) stan rogers - home in halifax eleanor mcevoy - yola (thank you, garrett) j.s. bach - bwv565/bwv582, as played with all his soul be e.power biggs in june 1960 brei, with over 300 mails to skim/read/delete (in the last 3 days) - -- After twenty-three years you'd think I could find A way to let you know somehow That I want to see your smiling face Forty-five years from now. --Stan Rogers ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2001 15:33:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Susan Guzzi Subject: Re:In the background Willy the Shake wrote: I love Joni's back harmonies. From Woodstock To Off Night Back Street She does such a great back up for herself so oft. Favourite back up? I too have been noticing Joni's back-up of herself - again. After the early years when I needed to submarine into every song lyric, back-up , musician, I haven't even listened that closely or as much in many many years! But I have been listening to "Hits" lately as a personal exercise for myself. The backgrounds on the simplest songs are great! Chelsea Morning, Woodstock, You Turn Me On I'm a Radio ... ya know maybe I have mislabeled them. After all, just because they were "Hits" so to speak, I was assuming their simplicity, as in Top 40 - pop. Here there are all these layers dove tailing together so beautifully! Not to mention the conga drum that I am thoroughly enjoying in "Big Yellow Taxi" & the bass on "Carey." JESUS it's like my eyes have just opened! - or my ears. Lastly, there is a clapping or perhaps it's a percussion piece of some sort in "You Turn Me On" along with her own harmony that was so nice to get into as well. This may be a fun thread. Find a Joni layer, instrument or vocal you may not have noticed before or in a while and point it out for all of us. Who knows the real musicians may even find some new treasures .., thanks Willy for the thread and getting our minds back on Joni. Peace Susan ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2001 18:46:27 -0400 From: Brian Gross Subject: Nuclear reactions run amuck on the jmdl With all the shite flying on the list these past 2 weeks, I have come to a realization. We have lost our control rod. The reactors are running wildly out of control. People who would have ordinarily spoken gently to each other are committing verbal assault. People are leaving, voluntarily and otherwise. These virtual streets are strewn with the remains of what used to be the most wonderful place in all of space, cyber and real. GET OVER YOURSELVES, PEOPLE Marcel, where are you when we need you most?????????? a very disheartened Brei on erev Yom Kippur - -- After twenty-three years you'd think I could find A way to let you know somehow That I want to see your smiling face Forty-five years from now. --Stan Rogers ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2001 16:25:56 -0700 From: "Russell Bowden" Subject: Desert island CDs JC Gang, Easy. Joni..Hejira, DJRD, NRH (if I had to go with top 3 Kathleen Battle Schubert Lieder Bob Dylan....Blood on the Tracks Rachmaninov...Vespers All Night Vigil Robert Shaw Joni...For The Roses (Hey!! How did you get in here??!!) Mozart Cosi fan Tutte...Bohm conducting..Schwarzkoph, Krause, Taddei Beethoven...Fidelio...Bernstein...Janowitz, Kollo How many am I allowed?? Of course the ideal thing (for me, anyway) would be if Joni and I were in the same shipwreck and I swam her to safety and became her Platonic slave....well...I can DREAM can't I?? Oh, and lots of batteries for my Discman or whatever sound system. Gorgeous in San Francisco....the weather, that is. Love, Russ _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2001 #300 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she?