From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2001 #297 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Monday, September 24 2001 Volume 2001 : Number 297 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Today in Joni History: September 23 [les@jmdl.com] Today's Articles: September 23 [les@jmdl.com] habbee birdday bob... ["shane mattison" ] Sisotowbell ["Paul Castle" ] your favorite stars pay tribute to our nation's heroes [FredNow@aol.com] Happy(s) Birthday(s) [Catherine McKay ] Birthday ["Stephen Epstein" ] Happy Birthdays! [Coyote4Joni@aol.com] a salute to songwriters of the 60s and 70s - vljc [Murphycopy@aol.com] Re: a salute to songwriters of the 60s and 70s - vljc ["Dolphie Bush" ] birthday ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: a salute to songwriters of the 60s and 70s - vljc ["Mark or Travis" <] more happy birthdays ["Kate Bennett" ] Bob!!! and 78s??? [Anne Sandstrom ] slouching to war? [Anne Sandstrom ] Re: slouching to war? [Catherine McKay ] Re: your favorite stars pay tribute to our nation's heroes [FredNow@aol.c] Nuvo Magazine [FMYFL@aol.com] Re: JMDL Digest V2001 #431 [RobSher50@aol.com] German resistance ["shane mattison" ] Re: German resistance [IVPAUL42@aol.com] first records ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: a salute to songwriters of the 60s and 70s - vljc ["hell" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2001 03:08:16 -0400 From: les@jmdl.com Subject: Today in Joni History: September 23 On September 23 in Joni Mitchell History: 1968: According to Ken Garner's book "In Session Tonight" (BBC Books 1993), today Joni recorded for John Peel's Radio 1 program 'TOP GEAR.' The program was broadcast six days later. Joni sang Chelsea Morning, Galleries (sic), Night in the City, and Cactus Tree. Joni was booked for several other Radio 1 sessions during tours in 1968 and 1969, but all were cancelled for various reasons. 1985: The Alberta Reporter ran an editorial cartoon today with a likeness of Joni. Wally described the situation on his website: "On what is called The Sunshine Coast near Vancouver, where Joni has had a house and property since the early 70's, a salmon fishing company had begun to build a huge $2 million plant. The other property owners, Joni's neighbors, asked her to join a protest against this enterprise that they believed could destroy the natural state of affairs in the area. Joni spoke to the press from her home in L.A. and said: "I thought I'd purchased a piece of wilderness, but it's being corrupted by industry." The Alberta Report newspaper took the side of the hatchery reporting that it would bring hundreds of jobs to the population who was heavily unemployed, and they claimed that Joni was not really a current resident and was rarely even in B.C. The salmon company complained that this was a case of a Hollywood celebrity trying to smear an honest fish business." More info: http://www.jonimitchell.com/Cartoon85.html 1994: From Wally's Bio Page: "[Today], Joni was the only performer in a special 90-minute edition of MuchMusic's "Intimate & Interactive." This show is probably the best and certainly the longest appearance Joni has ever done on TV." More info: http://www.jonimitchell.com/MuchMusic94.html - ------------------------ Search the "Today" database: http://www.jmdl.com/today ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2001 03:08:16 -0400 From: les@jmdl.com Subject: Today's Articles: September 23 On September 23 this article was published: 1985: "Joni Says No Fishin'" - Alberta Report (News Item) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/docs/850923ar.cfm - ------------------------ The JMDL Article Database has 633 titles. http://www.jmdl.com/articles ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2001 02:05:42 -0600 From: "shane mattison" Subject: habbee birdday bob... habbee birday bob... habbe birday steve... 'an yousotherthreeearlieranmyexwifetoo ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2001 09:41:43 +0100 From: "Paul Castle" Subject: Sisotowbell I know some here will say "keep up, Paul", but I've only recently discovered that "Sisotowbell Lane" stands for "somehow in spite of trouble ours will be everlasting love." Gene Shay's 1968 interview, highlighted by Les this month on jmdl.com, has Joni discussing her mythological acronyms - characters "big enough to float out of the guitar sound hole". A good link for the FAQ http://www.jmdl.com/articles/docs/6809wmmr.cfm Gene Shay was also interviewed by Karen for the new bio. I must admit that his relationship with Joni is the one I'd have probably loved the most for myself (other than being in her band, of course!) PaulC (Paul an undoubtedly little Castle) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2001 06:08:51 EDT From: FredNow@aol.com Subject: your favorite stars pay tribute to our nation's heroes Thankfully, it was much better than I feared it might be. My favorites: Stevie Wonder! Stevie Wonder! Stevie Wonder! -- that guy can still SING! The master of melisma! Neil Young, "Imagine" -- I was so glad someone did it, and Neil turned out to be a surprisingly great choice ... he did it proud. Sheryl Crow -- don't know the song, but I loved it ... full of mystery, great rhythm loop, stark piano ... she sang great and the background singers sang great, and the mighty, masterful Steve Jordan played great on drums! Alicia Keyes -- what *is* that song? its name is on the tip of my ear ... who wrote/sang it? it's got such a cool harmonic turnaround, so oblique ... anyway, she sang and played great, and did in fact remind me of early Aretha in that. Sting -- such a simple, beautiful tune, so understated in delivery, so fragile, so apt. Paul Simon -- dug the middle-eastern tinged, anti-anthem version of Bridge Over Troubled Water (would have been nice to hear Artie's sweet voice, too). Tom Petty -- man, that guy rocks smart! Really, pretty much everyone sounded good ... Billy Joel, Bon Jovi, U2, Pearl Jam, Limp Bizkit/Goo Goo Dolls, Springsteen, Dixie Chicks, Dave Matthews ... and soulful Willie Nelson singing all possible verses of our school room anthem. A good selection ... could have been even better with the addition: Paul, George, Ringo James Taylor Shawn Colvin Ray Charles Aretha CSN Dylan Joni, always Joni. - -Fred Simon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2001 10:17:03 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Happy(s) Birthday(s) I just got caught up reading posts going back to Wed. or thereabouts, so i missed some birthdays. Best birthday wishes (better late than never) to the Marys, Bob, Heather - and I know I left out a name or two - the old memory isn't what it used to be. Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2001 11:18:51 -0400 From: "Stephen Epstein" Subject: Birthday Bob, A happy and wonderful birthday to you!! Do enjoy, and know good thoughts from all of us come your way. All the best Stephen in Vancouver Again, thanks for all you do for this list and it's family! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2001 11:38:42 EDT From: Coyote4Joni@aol.com Subject: Happy Birthdays! Happy Birthday Steve, Mary P., and Bob! Each of you add so much to the JMDL. Cheers!! No regrets, Coyote Rick Casa Alegre Hollywood, California ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2001 14:49:36 EDT From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: a salute to songwriters of the 60s and 70s - vljc A friend of mine was visiting from upstate New York this weekend. He has just begun a new job as head of the music department of a private school with students in grades 6 through 12. Anyway, we were sitting around listening to music last night and my friend told me that he is planning a concert in December with the school's chorus and asked me if I had any ideas for what he might do. Since many of the parents of these kids would have been teenagers and young adults during the 60s and 70s, I suggested that he put together a salute to the songwriters of that period. He loved the idea, and we immediately started compiling a list of some of the songwriters he should include. Here are some of the people we came up with: Joni (my first suggestion, of course) Lennon/McCartney Dylan Stevie Wonder Laura Nyro Otis Redding Holland, Dozier, Holland Leonard Cohen Bert Bachrach Jagger/Richards Jimmy Webb James Taylor I am sure there are more songwriters we didn't think of. Do you have any suggestions? Also, since this concert will take place in December, some ideas for holiday music written by 60s and 70s songwriters would also be helpful. Please keep in mind that the songs will be sung by kids who are in the 12-18 year-old range, and some songs may be inappropriate. (For example, I suggested "River" for a holiday song, but it was vetoed because the line, "He loved me so naughty, he made me weak in the knees.") Thanks! --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2001 13:50:23 -0500 From: "Dolphie Bush" Subject: Re: a salute to songwriters of the 60s and 70s - vljc Carole King - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, September 23, 2001 1:49 PM Subject: a salute to songwriters of the 60s and 70s - vljc > A friend of mine was visiting from upstate New York this weekend. He has just > begun a new job as head of the music department of a private school with > students in grades 6 through 12. > > Anyway, we were sitting around listening to music last night and my friend > told me that he is planning a concert in December with the school's chorus > and asked me if I had any ideas for what he might do. Since many of the > parents of these kids would have been teenagers and young adults during the > 60s and 70s, I suggested that he put together a salute to the songwriters of > that period. He loved the idea, and we immediately started compiling a list > of some of the songwriters he should include. Here are some of the people we > came up with: > > Joni (my first suggestion, of course) > Lennon/McCartney > Dylan > Stevie Wonder > Laura Nyro > Otis Redding > Holland, Dozier, Holland > Leonard Cohen > Bert Bachrach > Jagger/Richards > Jimmy Webb > James Taylor > > I am sure there are more songwriters we didn't think of. Do you have any > suggestions? Also, since this concert will take place in December, some ideas > for holiday music written by 60s and 70s songwriters would also be helpful. > Please keep in mind that the songs will be sung by kids who are in the 12-18 > year-old range, and some songs may be inappropriate. (For example, I > suggested "River" for a holiday song, but it was vetoed because the line, "He > loved me so naughty, he made me weak in the knees.") > > Thanks! > > --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2001 14:54:11 EDT From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: a salute to songwriters of the 60s and 70s - vljc In a message dated 9/23/01 2:50:33 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Murphycopy@aol.com writes: > Joni (my first suggestion, of course) > Lennon/McCartney > Dylan > Stevie Wonder > Laura Nyro > Otis Redding > Holland, Dozier, Holland > Leonard Cohen > Bert Bachrach > Jagger/Richards > Jimmy Webb > James Taylor > > I am sure there are more songwriters we didn't think of. Do you have any > suggestions? Also, since this concert will take place in December, some > ideas > for holiday music written by 60s and 70s songwriters would also be helpful. > I think Jackson Browne and Steve Goodman certainly belong on this list. One good suggestion for that group at that time would seem to be Lennon's "Happy Christmas/War Is Over." Paul I ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2001 11:37:54 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: birthday S T E V E P O L I F K A, A belated but heartfelt HAPPY BITHDAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ******************************************** Kate Bennett www.katebennett.com sponsored by Polysonics www.polysonics.com Discover the Indies at Taylor Guitars: http://www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/bennett.html ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2001 12:18:17 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: birthday Happy Birthday Bob!!!!! ******************************************** Kate Bennett www.katebennett.com sponsored by Polysonics www.polysonics.com Discover the Indies at Taylor Guitars: http://www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/bennett.html ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2001 12:45:20 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: a salute to songwriters of the 60s and 70s - vljc Here are some of the people we > came up with: > > Joni (my first suggestion, of course) > Lennon/McCartney > Dylan > Stevie Wonder > Laura Nyro > Otis Redding > Holland, Dozier, Holland > Leonard Cohen > Bert Bachrach > Jagger/Richards > Jimmy Webb > James Taylor > Carole King has already been mentioned. I would add: Carly Simon Paul Simon Leonard Cohen Neil Young (After the Goldrush would be cool) Bacharach/David Janis Ian Rickie Lee Jones To name a few. Mark E ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2001 13:28:55 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: more happy birthdays To the 2 Marys! ******************************************** Kate Bennett www.katebennett.com sponsored by Polysonics www.polysonics.com Discover the Indies at Taylor Guitars: http://www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/bennett.html ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2001 17:05:05 -0400 From: Anne Sandstrom Subject: Bob!!! and 78s??? HAPPY ----ING BIRTHDAY, BOB!!! And my first records were my grandmother's 78s. We played them on an old "hi-fi." They were all classical recordings. The needle scratched the hell out of them, as I recall. And you thought YOU were old :-) lots of love Anne ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2001 17:31:14 -0400 From: Anne Sandstrom Subject: slouching to war? So, am I the only one who seems to be spending most of my waking hours actually trying to figure out how to solve this thing? (Or is that really common?) I keep thinking there's a strategy we haven't thought of. And I keep trying to figure out what that might be. I'm also wondering how we can educate ourselves against such attacks. One thought I have is that if we all made an effort to know our neighbors and become real communities again, that's a pretty good weapon. It's probably one of the most effective weapons the terrorists themselves use. (They take it to extremes - you have to be related or come from the same town to be in a cell.) Anyway, that's the beginning of a thought. I'll be interested to hear others - positive ways we can protect ourselves and how to carry out the ideas on a day to day basis. lots of love Anne ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2001 22:34:11 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: slouching to war? - --- Anne Sandstrom wrote: > So, am I the only one who seems to be spending most > of my waking hours > actually trying to figure out how to solve this > thing? (Or is that really > common?) I keep thinking there's a strategy we > haven't thought of. And I > keep trying to figure out what that might be. I do it too - even though, in the end, whatever you and I or anyone here on this list may think, things will most likely unfold as they will and we won't have any control over it. I know that sounds very pessimistic. I'm trying not to be pessimistic about it, but it's so hard. I keep thinking if there were some kind of really smart weapon that could take out just those who are behind these evil deeds without any innocent people being hurt... or if there really were one of those elite forces that could go in and arrest these guys and try them in a world court... and then the families of all the victims the world over could sue bin Laden's ass, and provide education and famine relief for the people of Afghanistan... > > I'm also wondering how we can educate ourselves > against such attacks. One > thought I have is that if we all made an effort to > know our neighbors and > become real communities again, that's a pretty good > weapon. It's probably > one of the most effective weapons the terrorists > themselves use. (They take > it to extremes - you have to be related or come from > the same town to be in > a cell.) Anyway, that's the beginning of a thought. > I'll be interested to > hear others - positive ways we can protect ourselves > and how to carry out > the ideas on a day to day basis. I read a story in the paper today about an airline captain giving his passengers advice on what to do if highjackers show up - stand up to them, throw stuff at their heads, throw blankets and coats over their heads. Kind of strange, but what is there to lose that wouldn't be lost anyway in such a case? Maybe we should form our own cells. There was a Kurt Vonnegut book (I don't remember which one) where people were put into clans or families - they didn't have to be related to each other at all by birth - in fact, it was better if they weren't and there were maybe only 20 or so of these clans (in the world? in the USA?), but they all had to look out for each other. I guess you don't have to organize people into groups like that but if, as you say, we all get to know our neighbours better, in the communities where we live, the communities where we work - or communities like this one - then we would care about each other and help each other out. I think we've gotten away from that too much. Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2001 23:20:34 EDT From: FredNow@aol.com Subject: Re: your favorite stars pay tribute to our nation's heroes "Kate Bennett" wrote: >I thought it was >meaningful that a Canadian [Celine Dion] sang God Bless America >(or is she a US citizen >now?). Even more meaningful is that a Russian immigrant wrote it. I was driving home from a gig the other night and listening to talk radio; a woman called in to actually *complain* that a Canadian was singing "God Bless America," somehow completely missing the irony inherent in her complaint. Like I said, I'm not a big fan of the song ... all of humanity needs God's blessing, now more than ever. - -Fred Simon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 00:13:45 EDT From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Nuvo Magazine Hey Leslie (or any of our Canadian family) Did the issue of Nuvo Magazine with the article of Joni with some of your photos (Leslie) hit the shelves yet? I can't wait to see it, but I'm not even sure if it's available in the U.S. If anyone's seen it, please let me know! Jimmy NP: Lydia Von Damme "Everybody's fucking but me" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 00:13:59 EDT From: RobSher50@aol.com Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2001 #431 I saw them in July and I am a big fan of theirs. The original members were, as you mentioned, the horn section, the drummer and the keyboardist. (Robert Lamm, I think) The other keyboardist with the scratchy voice who also played guitar (skinny fellow) has been with them for many years. The lead vocalist who played the bass has been with the group for several years. His name is Jason Scheff. During the concert, I had my eyes closed listening to one of the songs, and his guitar pick landed in my lap! Boy was I the envy of those around me! The pick has the Chicago logo on one side and his name in gold on the other side. I will treasure it always. The reason I like Chicago so much is because they dared to be musical innovative at a time when only straight chords were cool. My favorite example is the intro to "Does Anybody Really Know What Time It Is?" I was in high school and just jumping into music theory. The chords that these guys were playing blew me away. Their rhythms and tempos were not what you normally heard back then (the 70's). I am convinced that they have the best horn section in the "world." (Tower of Power and Memphis horns come next) The one member who rounded out the group and who was, I believe the founder of Chicago, died from an accidental gun shot wound to the head. He thought the gun wasn't loaded. If you'd like to hear his voice, listen to the original Chicago recording of "Color My World" or "I Just Want To Be Free." Robert Lamm's voice is most like his, but as Robert has stated, sometimes it's just too painful for him to do his friend's songs. Even today, he is missed very much by the group. Sorry to ramble on but I just love this band! Sherelle In a message dated 09/23/2001 11:24:10 AM Pacific Daylight Time, les@jmdl.com writes: > Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2001 06:47:38 EDT > From: Coyote4Joni@aol.com > Subject: Chicago (NJC) > > Greetings Everyone: > > Last night, I saw Chicago at the Greek. It was my second time to see them > and it was totally different. The first time was at Anaheim Stadium in the > mid-1970s when they toured with the Beach Boys. I was there for the > latter. > Not being a real fan of theirs, I was wondering if anyone on the list was > familiar with their history. They put on a decent show, I'd give it a 7 of > 10. Some real toe-tappers and the obligatory drum solo by a drummer from > Laguna Beach. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2001 22:28:34 -0600 From: "shane mattison" Subject: German resistance Karl Barth was also instrumental in drafting and supporting the Barmen Declaration denouncing the Nazi State. He lost his professorship as a result and was deported to his home of Switzerland. However, Barth wrote letters to England and Scotland about the evils of the Nazis and was theologically outlining his support that they go to war. Therefore he was, in the thirties, one with Winston Churchill, in preparing the allies to go to war. I completely disagree with the Rev. Vince vis a vis the Taliban. Bin Laden by all reports has been inextricably one with them. The U.N. was originally conceived as a world body that would crack down on rogue fascist states like the Taliban...with force. I respected most of the other posts, Rev. Vince and I appreciate your duties as a man of the cloth and related pacifism. But with this last one, I have to beg to disagree. If Colin Powell can make this an U.N. backed effort, taking out the Taliban, with its attendent subjugation of the Afghanistan people is a proactive and liberating event. Visit Holland, and talk to the elderly dutch about their liberation. There are times when prayers have also to be backed up with governmental and statesmanlike justice, or it is an abdication of the rights of man. shane ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 01:17:25 EDT From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: German resistance In a message dated 9/24/01 12:17:17 AM Eastern Daylight Time, cactussong@home.com writes: > . > I completely disagree with the Rev. Vince vis a vis the Taliban. Bin Laden > by all reports has been inextricably one with them. The U.N. was originally > conceived as a world body that would crack down on rogue fascist states like > the Taliban...with force. > I respected most of the other posts, Rev. Vince and I appreciate your > duties > as a man of the cloth and related pacifism. But with this last one, I have > to > beg to disagree. If Colin Powell can make this a U.N. backed effort, taking > out the Taliban, with its attendant subjugation of the Afghanistan people > is a proactive and liberating event. > Or to put it in simpler terms, pacifism is fine as a global THEORY, but when faced with real-life terrorists or fascists, pacifism is a theory for fools and cowards. Paul I ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2001 22:40:11 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: first records first 33 1/2 was a Beach Boys, Surfing Safari or Surfing USA a present from my Dad who had actually been to California!!!!!!! first 45 was I Wanna Hold Your Hand - Beatles, I have all my old 45s but not that one :~{ but really the first record I listened to was the Billy Goats Gruff...at my Grandmother's house...oooo it was so scary & I played it over & over! my parents played lots of Broadway Musicals & my favorite were Oliver & West Side Story- I memorized all the songs to both & acted out all the parts in my basement... ******************************************** Kate Bennett www.katebennett.com sponsored by Polysonics www.polysonics.com Discover the Indies at Taylor Guitars: http://www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/bennett.html ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 18:22:20 +1200 From: "hell" Subject: Re: a salute to songwriters of the 60s and 70s - vljc Bob wrote: > Anyway, we were sitting around listening to music last night and my friend > told me that he is planning a concert in December with the school's chorus > and asked me if I had any ideas for what he might do. Since many of the > parents of these kids would have been teenagers and young adults during the > 60s and 70s, I suggested that he put together a salute to the songwriters of > that period. He loved the idea, and we immediately started compiling a list > of some of the songwriters he should include. Here are some of the people we > came up with: > > Joni (my first suggestion, of course) > Lennon/McCartney > Dylan > Stevie Wonder > Laura Nyro > Otis Redding > Holland, Dozier, Holland > Leonard Cohen > Bert Bachrach > Jagger/Richards > Jimmy Webb > James Taylor Others have already suggested some of these, but I would definitely include Carole King, Paul Simon, John Phillips (Mamas and Papas) and possibly Neil Young - who has some songs from that period that would be pretty easy for kids to sing. And maybe CSNY too - Our House, Helplessly Hoping, Teach Your Children. Hell ____________________________ "To have great poets, there must be great audiences too." - Walt Whitman hell@ihug.co.nz Hell's Personal Photo Page: http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hell/main/personal.htm Visit the NBLs (Natural Born Losers) at: http://www.nbls.co.nz ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 18:26:27 +1200 From: "hell" Subject: Re: birthday Happy birthday to everyone that I've missed over the last little while, including Steve of the Immaculate Hair, the Mary's, Heather and Janet - who has a very cool cat. My cat woke up on my birthday and looked at me with an expression that seemed to say "Hhmmph - it's your birthday. So?" Hell ____________________________ "To have great poets, there must be great audiences too." - Walt Whitman hell@ihug.co.nz Hell's Personal Photo Page: http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hell/main/personal.htm Visit the NBLs (Natural Born Losers) at: http://www.nbls.co.nz ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2001 #297 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she?