From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2001 #293 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Thursday, September 20 2001 Volume 2001 : Number 293 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Today's Articles: September 19 [les@jmdl.com] RE: PWWAM ["Ron Greer" ] RE: Joni Fest 2002, or...... "What I am Doing On My Summer Vacati on" [M.] The Hopi Message to the U.N. ["shane mattison" ] the type of fight ahead ["shane mattison" ] Re: thoughts [AzeemAK@aol.com] 'Refuge of the Roads' question ["denknee" ] Re: 'Refuge of the Roads' question [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Jonifest2002 ["Stephen Epstein" ] Re: 'Refuge of the Roads' question [Reuben3rd@aol.com] RE: 'Refuge of the Roads' question ["Donna J. Binkley" ] Old Videos on the Internet ["William Waddell" ] Re: Pooptunes? What's that? [Reuben3rd@aol.com] Re: Pooptunes? What's that? [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] RE: Old Videos on the Internet ["Wally Kairuz" ] "Poopy" Joni picture [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: "Poopy" Joni picture [Jerry Notaro ] RE: "Poopy" Joni picture ["Wally Kairuz" ] RE: "Poopy" Joni picture [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: "Poopy" Joni picture [jan ] Re: "Poopy" Joni picture [Mark Domyancich ] Version of "For Free" on ROTR [BigWaltinSF@aol.com] Re: "Poopy" Joni picture [hell@ihug.co.nz] The Old Grey Whistle Test [pyramus@lineone.net] RE: Version of "For Free" on ROTR ["Chris Marshall" ] Re: poptoones [] Re: Version of "For Free" on ROTR [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Subject: "Poopy" Joni picture ["Kate Bennett" ] seasons go round VLJC ["Diane Evans" ] Re: Old Videos on the Internet (a little long) [Reuben3rd@aol.com] Re: "Poopy" Joni picture [slarty ] The Tea Leaf Prophecy ["shane mattison" ] Pooptunes cd cover [Tyler Hewitt ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 03:42:15 -0400 From: les@jmdl.com Subject: Today's Articles: September 19 On September 19 this article was published: 1970: "Glimpses of Joni" - Melody Maker (Interview, with photographs) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/docs/700919mm.cfm - ------------------------ The JMDL Article Database has 633 titles. http://www.jmdl.com/articles ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 10:16:53 +0200 From: "Ron Greer" Subject: RE: PWWAM hi brei >>Brei wrote >>Inquiring minds want to know >>Please fill us all in about these 'extra' tracks >>REALLY REALLY SOON the packaging gives the tracklisting as:' big yellow taxi, just like this train, night ride home, crazy cries of love, harry's house, black crow, amelia, hejira, sex kills, the magdalene laundries, & moon at the window however, once you put the disc on, you get the following additional tracks: happiness is the best facelift, why do fools fall in love, trouble man, nothing can be done, song for sharon, woodstock, dreamland i think that this is more likely due to a printing error on the cover, rather than any extra tracks being on the version of the show which i got. ron ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 09:31:21 +0200 From: M.Russell@iaea.org Subject: RE: Joni Fest 2002, or...... "What I am Doing On My Summer Vacati on" On 19 September 2001 06:46, AsharaJM@aol.com [SMTP:AsharaJM@aol.com] wrote: > had to be changed to August 23-26. (Arriving anytime on Friday, and leaving > on Monday) I truly hope that will not be a problem for anyone, and also hope > that some of you that weren't able to come "because" it was Labor Day > weekend, will be able to join us this year. (David Lahm? Marian? Terry? > others?) If the fest could be held on this weekend, I'm pretty sure I would be able to make it, Ashara. I'm so excited!!! > sing-a-longs as well. Days might be spent jamming, participating in > workshops, (Marian? Claud? Anne?) Would love to give some free guitar/alternate tunings workshops/private lessons. Marian Vienna ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 03:44:00 -0600 From: "shane mattison" Subject: The Hopi Message to the U.N. It took until the 1990's for the Hopi Nation to be given a chance to speak for the first time to the U.N. General Assembly. The message was of both spiritual warning, prophecy, and calling for the children of mother earth to change their ways. I think joni mitchell would approve: http://www.welcomehome.org/rainbow/prophecy/hopi.html shane www.angelfire.com/art/cactussong ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 05:34:32 -0600 From: "shane mattison" Subject: the type of fight ahead The "Teley" seems to have the most extensive reports on the type of commando fight, a joint U.S. Delta Force and British SAS operation, which is most likely to take place in Afghanistan: http://www.portal.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2001/09/16/wusa11 6.xml shane ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 07:35:56 EDT From: AzeemAK@aol.com Subject: Re: thoughts In a message dated 18/09/01 19:51:41 GMT Daylight Time, blondeinthebleachers@hotmail.com writes: << I am not the most politically correct person in the world and the open door policy of our government has been too willing to let people into this country that intend to harm us. The very fact that family members of Osama bin Laden own a condo in Boston is enough to enfuriate me to no end. >> The thought that there are terrorists in our midst is a pretty disquieting one at any time, let alone now. Yet what can be done about it, short of shutting every border and totally pulling up the drawbridge? As for bin Laden's family, well it's a bloody huge family, and I would place a sizeable bet that not all of them agree with his demented and distorted interpretation of Islam. Timothy McVeigh's family haven't been interned or punished (they may have been harrassed after his arrest and conviction, I dare say), and that is only right. << Is it fair to say that from this day forward I will never be able to look at a young muslim man and not think that he was sent here to kill me because I am American? Maybe it is and maybe it isn't, but that prejudice is now instilled in me and will never go away. >> My personal answer is No, it isn't fair. It is by definition racial prejudice. How can you tell if someone is a Muslim? You might end up having to throw in Hindus as well, as from skin colouring and physiognomy it can be impossible to distinguish, say, a Pakistani from an Indian. This may look facetious, but I'm being totally serious. We can all allow ourselves to bow to prejudice (and no, I'm not exempting myself from that) - the challenge is to confront it in ourselves. You say the prejudice will never go away. It can go away, if you confront it, and don't allow it to take root. Kate has already posted about this, and I endorse 100% what she says. << There is a faceless enemy that walks among us and unfortunately I can no longer be objective about it, because I can't honestly say that I believe our government can protect us from it. >> That is the trouble. Your govt can't protect you from fanatics, any more than the UK govt can protect me. This is where it's crucial to look at the bigger picture. In the wake of the tragedy, there have been remarks made about isolationism and foreign policy (and I'm not just talking about this list) which suggest, worryingly, that it's irrelevant. While it may seem insensitive to start raking up the past now (and I'm not going to here), my fear is that, as the pain and shock gradually recede, so will any urge there might be to ask painful and searching questions about why it happened. I sincerely hope that my fear is baseless. << With this post I don't mean to infuriate or scare people this is just the way I feel. I feel as if Iwoke up on Tuesday from a 27 year coma and realized that my trivial problems, were just that. America, land of the free, should be a place people seek solace, but who those people are is going to have to come under scrutiny. >> I'll admit I was pretty angry when I first read your post, although I've now read it again and I think I understand where you're coming from. The fact is that with a name like Azeem Ali Khan, I could have all sorts of people making all sorts of assumptions about who and what I am, what I believe, where my sympathies lie, whether they need to be wary of me or give me a wide berth, etc etc. That, in microcosm, is how neighbours start being divided against each other. Now is the time to take a deep breath and contact the loving part of ourself, whether it's through God, or Allah, or the spirits, or the Universe, or whatever; and the rational part of ourself, which can go AWOL at times like this - and again, I'm not excluding myself from those enjoinders. I almost sent a post to the list yesterday which I would have regretted. The reason I didn't is not because I'm such a wise and loving person (if only), but because a friend suggested that I reconsider. Azeem in London John Parish and Polly Jean Harvey - Is That All There Is? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 09:58:47 -0400 From: "denknee" Subject: 'Refuge of the Roads' question Ok, I'll come outta lurkdom - I can answer this one - I have the VHS: Larry Klein on bass, Mike Landau on guitar, Vinnie Colaiuta on drums, Russell Ferrante on keyboards, and this vid rocks! Totally different from Joni's usual approach to her tunes. Here's the track listing: WILD THINGS RUN FAST / RAISED ON ROBBERY / REFUGE OF THE ROADS / SWEET BIRD OF YOUTH (sic) / BANQUET / YOU'RE SO SQUARE (BABY i DON'T CARE) / SOLID LOVE / GOD MUST BE A BOOGIE MAN / FOR FREE / YOU DREAM FLAT TIRES / CHINESE CAFE / UNCHAINED MELODY / UNDERNEATH THE STREETLIGHT / WOODSTOCK. - -denknee ----------------------------------------------------------------- What do people know about the laser disc/video made after "Wild Things Run Fast", with Joni, called "Refuge of the Roads" ? Thanks in advance for any information. Richard in San Francisco richard2sf@earthlink.net ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 10:21:16 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: 'Refuge of the Roads' question <> Sadly, it's out of print...I too have an original copy and can make copies for anyone interested. The video is almost ALL music, there are some interesting between song tidbits, like Joni tuning and/or talking off stage.. And this video represents about half of a typical show from this tour. Most of them ran about 2 hours long, included a cool "Heard It Through the Grapevine" encore and feature Joni on piano, guitar, and dulcimer. She adds additional melody & lyrics to "For Free" as well. Many complete shows are available for those who want a complete '83 show for their collection. Bob NP: Mama's Boys, "This Flight Tonight" (much better than I thought it was going to be!) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 10:23:50 -0400 From: "Stephen Epstein" Subject: Jonifest2002 Ashara wrote: "I have been in negotiations for the past several weeks with a place that I feel is an absolutely "perfect" fit for us. "Full Moon" is a rustic resort on 100 acres of natural beauty inthe Catskill Mountains of New York. It is a wonderful place with an emphasis on music and musical gatherings." It sounds and looks magnificent, Ashara- good sleuthing!! I can't think of a more perfect setting for our family, and you can count me in, with bells on! You are amazing! love Stephen in Vancouver PS can I have the room with you and Sal this year? Sorry Smurf, Jimmy and Paz! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 10:33:22 EDT From: Reuben3rd@aol.com Subject: Re: 'Refuge of the Roads' question The show is extremely dated...I have a hard time getting past that. I don't like the arrangements much either, although some are radically different from the originals in an interesting way (Banquet, Raised On Robbery, etc.) The versions of Refuge of the Roads and For Free are heartbreaking, and my favorite versions of these songs. The songs are interspersed by home video (film, actually) that Joni shot on the road and other places...kind of interesting. I like the piece as a whole, I just wish she'd done it before or after her rock chick phase, because its not one of my favorite Joni periods. My 2, Reuben ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 09:47:03 -0500 From: "Donna J. Binkley" Subject: RE: 'Refuge of the Roads' question Hey JoniBob, I would like a copy of that video. What do i need to send you? I saw Joni doing this show here in Houston in '83. Your second paragraph here describes things i remembered too. Donna - -----Original Message----- From: les@jmdl.com [mailto:les@jmdl.com]On Behalf Of SCJoniGuy@aol.com Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2001 9:21 AM To: denknee@city-net.com Cc: joni@smoe.org Subject: Re: 'Refuge of the Roads' question <> Sadly, it's out of print...I too have an original copy and can make copies for anyone interested. The video is almost ALL music, there are some interesting between song tidbits, like Joni tuning and/or talking off stage.. And this video represents about half of a typical show from this tour. Most of them ran about 2 hours long, included a cool "Heard It Through the Grapevine" encore and feature Joni on piano, guitar, and dulcimer. She adds additional melody & lyrics to "For Free" as well. Many complete shows are available for those who want a complete '83 show for their collection. Bob NP: Mama's Boys, "This Flight Tonight" (much better than I thought it was going to be!) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 09:30:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Tyler Hewitt Subject: Pooptunes? What's that? RE: Visiting Borders last night to pick up the new Diana Krall CD I saw the Pooptunes Joni CD with a really contorted portrait on the front. I took the copies and hid them in the classical section. I am deeply insulted by this CD it is almost Artistic character terrorism. Viva Siquom - ---------------------- Did I miss the boat on the Pooptunes cd? What is it? Why does it have that awful title? And finally, a comment on "I took the copies and hid them in the classical section." I took this to mean in part 'I hid them in the classical section because nobody ever shops there'. Too true, unfortunately. I wouldn't want to imagine life without Bach and Bartok, but Classical music is unfathomable for so many. A shame. __________________________________________________ Terrorist Attacks on U.S. - How can you help? Donate cash, emergency relief information http://dailynews.yahoo.com/fc/US/Emergency_Information/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 12:44:06 -0500 From: "William Waddell" Subject: Old Videos on the Internet I'm sure this is history to a lot of JMDLers but I'm always running ... I thought I'd post for anyone who hasn't seen the videos for Two Grey Rooms, Shiny Toys, Fiction, Come in from the Cold, Good Friends, Night Ride Home, Nothing Can Be Done and My Secret Place. They can be found at a site called . I also came across an MP3 of Just Like This Train which sounded a lot like the Just Ice version but wasn't, was it Bob!? It was interesting to see how she looked at the time of those videos. I particularly liked the CMIARS look with the hat and wrap-around. Favourite Joni-look is around the Hissing time; least favourite around WTRF. Just a thought. Willy the Shake _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 14:23:35 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Old Videos on the Internet <> Nope, it was from her on-air appearance on KCRW, 10/25/94... Bob NP: (NEW) Tori Amos, "Real Men" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 14:31:50 EDT From: KJHSF@aol.com Subject: Re: Old Videos on the Internet In a message dated 9/19/2001 1:45:25 PM Eastern Daylight Time, willytheshake100@hotmail.com writes: << Favourite Joni-look is around the Hissing time; least favourite around WTRF. Just a thought. >> Wasn't the dental butchery to have about the time of WTRF? I recall Joni talking about being butchered by a dentist, but the chronology has never been clear. But some of the publicity shots for the music book of WTRF show Joni with a severe overbite and strange looking gums. Still, IMHO, my least favorite look is the permed hair circa DED. I was expecting to see her on The People's Court in "The Case of the Too Hot Rollers." Frightening SFKen ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 14:36:00 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Pooptunes? What's that? <> That's not the official title, Tyler...I think "Poptunes" is the label it's released on. It's a bootleg called "Girls In the Valley" or something like that. It's just some of her earlier songs rearranged on a CD. I've seen it available on E-Bay and on the 'net. It features a gruesome caricature of Joni on the front. Don't worry, this is one boat you' DON'T want to book passage on! ;~) Bob NP: Tori, "Strange Little Girl" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 21:04:05 +0200 From: "Ron Greer" Subject: (L)use your illusion???? hi >>lama wrote >>(who always "heard", >> 'love bandits caught asunder' >> but of course that's lousy cause the next line uses asunder. had a similar experience a couple of days ago - i pulled out "court & spark" and was listening to it for the first time on my new hi-fi, which just replaced my faithful, 15 year old technics. suddenly i *heard* the line: "A little money riding on the Maple Leafs" so, for the last 20 years ive been hearing that as: "A little money riding on a make believe" but, to be qquite honest, i preferred my old version... :) ron ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 15:26:51 EDT From: Reuben3rd@aol.com Subject: Re: Pooptunes? What's that? SCBob said: >>That's not the official title, Tyler...I think "Poptunes" is the label it's released on. It's a bootleg called "Girls In the Valley" or something like that. It's just some of her earlier songs rearranged on a CD. I've seen it available on E-Bay and on the 'net. It features a gruesome caricature of Joni on the front. Don't worry, this is one boat you' DON'T want to book passage on! ;~)<< I agree with that! Its actually the entire LOTC album rearranged (track listing, I mean), which is why I found it so strange. It didn't borrow from several albums from the period, it just threw out the original art and mixed the order up. The LOTC album cover is one of my very earliest memories; it was burned into my psyche as a very small child...I loved it. It really grossed me out to see that garish drawing that makes JM look kind of like Mr. Ed as a replacement. Horrors! Reuben ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 15:35:07 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Pooptunes? What's that? <> Same as that other bootleg called "Ghosts", which features the LOTC songs in a different order. Like it's some kind of "Alternate LOTC" or something... And I agree with you on the cover artwork, Reuben. Very pretty in its simple images. And at least ONE JMDL'er stitched the LOTC artwork in a blouse, very nice job too! (Hi Linda M.!);~) Bob NP: Marian Russell/Chris Marshall, "In France They Kiss On Main Street" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 16:55:07 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: Old Videos on the Internet she looks so terrible on the fiction and the good friends videos. i was just thinking how she remained so thin for so many years and then she just seemed to BLOAT irrepressibly. [this from a 240# bear!!!!] - -----Mensaje original----- De: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]En nombre de KJHSF@aol.com Enviado el: Miircoles, 19 de Septiembre de 2001 03:32 p.m. Para: willytheshake100@hotmail.com CC: joni@smoe.org Asunto: Re: Old Videos on the Internet In a message dated 9/19/2001 1:45:25 PM Eastern Daylight Time, willytheshake100@hotmail.com writes: << Favourite Joni-look is around the Hissing time; least favourite around WTRF. Just a thought. >> ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 15:58:53 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: "Poopy" Joni picture OK, I found a website with that awful caricature on it. If this doesn't work for you, and you REALLY are chompin' at the bit to see this horse-headed Joni, e-mail me privately and I'll send it to you. http://www.cybercd.de/sucheingang_d.htm?id=3ba8f8c28358291|cmd=query|qexact.Artist=Mitchell,+Joni|qkonv.Artist=1|qwords.titel=Girls+In+The+Valley+-Digi Bob NP: Marian Russell, "Just Like This Train" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 16:06:22 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: "Poopy" Joni picture SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: > OK, I found a website with that awful caricature on it. If this doesn't work for you, and you REALLY are chompin' at the bit to see this horse-headed Joni, e-mail me privately and I'll send it to you. > > http://www.cybercd.de/sucheingang_d.htm?id=3ba8f8c28358291|cmd=query|qexact.Artist=Mitchell,+Joni|qkonv.Artist=1|qwords.titel=Girls+In+The+Valley+-Digi > > Bob > > NP: Marian Russell, "Just Like This Train" Yikes. She looks like Mick Jagger!. I have this cd. Bought it at Ross for just a few bucks. Has been around for years. Not only LOTC same songs, but a much poorer recording. Just called Joni Mitchell and the crazy caricature is from the cover, a black and white photo a la Hejira. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 17:06:46 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: "Poopy" Joni picture lordy!!!! she looks like carol burnett with a toothache! - -----Mensaje original----- De: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]En nombre de SCJoniGuy@aol.com Enviado el: Miircoles, 19 de Septiembre de 2001 04:59 p.m. Para: Joni@smoe.org Asunto: "Poopy" Joni picture OK, I found a website with that awful caricature on it. If this doesn't work for you, and you REALLY are chompin' at the bit to see this horse-headed Joni, e-mail me privately and I'll send it to you. http://www.cybercd.de/sucheingang_d.htm?id=3ba8f8c28358291|cmd=query|qexact. Artist=Mitchell,+Joni|qkonv.Artist=1|qwords.titel=Girls+In+The+Valley+-Digi Bob NP: Marian Russell, "Just Like This Train" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 16:11:16 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: RE: "Poopy" Joni picture Maybe it's the love child of Mick & Carol! LOL! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 13:38:20 -0700 From: jan Subject: Re: "Poopy" Joni picture At 03:58 PM 9/19/01 -0400, SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: >OK, I found a website with that awful caricature on it. If this doesn't work for you, and you REALLY are chompin' at the bit to see this horse-headed Joni, e-mail me privately and I'll send it to you. >http://www.cybercd.de/sucheingang_d.htm?id=3ba8f8c28358291|cmd=query|qexact .Artist=Mitchell,+Joni|qkonv.Artist=1|qwords.titel=Girls+In+The+Valley+-Digi Looks like Joni swallowed Mr. Peanut whole! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 16:00:46 -0500 From: Mark Domyancich Subject: Re: "Poopy" Joni picture Forget any comparisons!!! This is the one! Thanks for the laugh, Jan. Mark At 1:38 PM -0700 9/19/01, jan wrote: >At 03:58 PM 9/19/01 -0400, SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: >>OK, I found a website with that awful caricature on it. If this doesn't >work for you, and you REALLY are chompin' at the bit to see this >horse-headed Joni, e-mail me privately and I'll send it to you. >>http://www.cybercd.de/sucheingang_d.htm?id=3ba8f8c28358291|cmd=query|qexact >.Artist=Mitchell,+Joni|qkonv.Artist=1|qwords.titel=Girls+In+The+Valley+-Digi > >Looks like Joni swallowed Mr. Peanut whole! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 17:04:07 EDT From: BigWaltinSF@aol.com Subject: Version of "For Free" on ROTR Hi, Bob (and everybody), I was given a lazerdisc of ROTR way back in '83. Only saw it once (long, boring story), but I seem to remember that the version of "For Free" had an extra bridge connecting verses that was repeated. Do I remember correctly? In any case, wherver I heard it, I liked it. walt ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 21:50:45 GMT From: hell@ihug.co.nz Subject: Re: "Poopy" Joni picture Bob wrote: > OK, I found a website with that awful caricature on it. If this doesn't work > for you, and you REALLY are chompin' at the bit to see this horse-headed > Joni, e-mail me privately and I'll send it to you. Must be some really creative people working for this company. How do you think they took "Ladies Of The Canyon" and came up with "Girls In The Valley"?! Incredible! Hell ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 22:36:53 +0100 From: pyramus@lineone.net Subject: The Old Grey Whistle Test Regarding the 'The Old Grey Whistle Test' retrospective now showing in the U.K. on BBC2, I found an article on the BBC website with the presenter Bob Harris. In it he mentions Joni. The Whistle Test Years Q. Is there any band or artist you'd like to have appeared who didn't? A. There's a couple that I never met. I never met Bob Dylan and I would love to have met Joni Mitchell. I did see her at an concert she did for Radio 1, but she never actually came into the show, so that was a shame. Full article at: http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio2/inside/feat_whistle_interview.shtml Kevin ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 23:47:06 +0100 From: "Chris Marshall" Subject: RE: Version of "For Free" on ROTR Correct, I noticed this the other night when I forced myself through ROTR on video. [Light blue touch paper, retire to safe distance...] - --Chris > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]On Behalf Of > BigWaltinSF@aol.com > Sent: 19 September 2001 22:04 > To: undisclosed-recipients:; @smoe.org > Subject: Version of "For Free" on ROTR > > > Hi, Bob (and everybody), > > I was given a lazerdisc of ROTR way back in '83. Only saw it once (long, > boring story), but I seem to remember that the version of "For Free" had an > extra bridge connecting verses that was repeated. Do I remember correctly? > In any case, wherver I heard it, I liked it. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 15:57:12 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Thanks Philip Hi Philip, Thanks for understanding. I don't blame you or whoever sent in the other Fisk article. I'm just oversensitive right now to these kick-them-when-they're-down journalists. Normally, I'd just skim and delete them, but I'm also raw right now. I guess when the day comes again that I can blow them off, I'll know I'm a bit better ;-) Kakki > Sorry if other parts of his article were insensitive. I >should have read it more carefully. My hope > is that the perpetrators are caught and whatever action >is taken brings about a long term solution. Terrorism >threatens us all.. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2001 01:33:17 +0100 From: Subject: Re: poptoones > Is it actually a bootleg? Its not a cheap issue disc...cheesy, yes, but not > cheap. And whoa, is that a bad cover. > That's what I don't get. Reissue an already available album at twice the normal price in a really bad cover and give it a stupid title. What kind of business strategy is that. Who do they think is going to buy it. .Anyone who does will return it to the store when the discover what they've got . And how did it get distributed into major chains who don't normally sell bootlegs. Strange indeed. Philip ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 20:57:28 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Version of "For Free" on ROTR << Do I remember correctly? >> Indeed you do...the extra "chorus" is a unique melodic line and the lyrics are: Playing like a fallen angel, playing like a rising star Playing for a hatful of nothing to the honking of the cars... Bob ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 18:12:09 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Subject: "Poopy" Joni picture EEEEEEEEEEEEEEWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW >>>>OK, I found a website with that awful caricature on it. If this doesn't work for you, and you REALLY are chompin' at the bit to see this horse-headed Joni, e-mail me privately and I'll send it to you. http://www.cybercd.de/sucheingang_d.htm?id=3ba8f8c28358291|cmd=query|qexact. Artist=Mitchell,+Joni|qkonv.Artist=1|qwords.titel=Girls+In+The+Valley+-Digi Bob<<<<< ******************************************** Kate Bennett www.katebennett.com sponsored by Polysonics www.polysonics.com Discover the Indies at Taylor Guitars: http://www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/bennett.html ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 21:08:22 -0500 From: "Diane Evans" Subject: seasons go round VLJC I find myself in that peculiar position each parent one day faces: the empty nest. And so I see my life weaves in and out of Joni's tales of life. (There's the Joni content) In all the travails of the last week I've often been lost in Joni's thoughts on change and the world around us. (Is justice just ice?) But now my only child is moving into the world on her own terms and I'm feeling anxious for all she leaves behind: the child full of curls and sunshine smiles has turned round the circle to full bloom of young adulthood. In my age I would urge her to drag her heels even knowing there is no cure for the thirst to be her own person, independant and confident of future adventures. At once I envy her and yet hope she heeds my caution. Alas, she's too much like me and I fear she'll always venture forward with little consideration for the hurt awaiting an open heart. Do all parents feel this way? I love that kid more than I can say and want her to enjoy the richness this life can offer. But I'd do most anything to help her avoid the pain we all experience when we open our hearts. And as the world spins I wonder, did bin Ladin's parents wish the same for him? Fear the same for him? This traveler thanks you for the bandwidth Diane _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 22:14:43 EDT From: Reuben3rd@aol.com Subject: Re: Old Videos on the Internet (a little long) I had never seen the video for "My Secret Place" until today, and I was completely taken by surprise. MSP is one of my top 5 JM songs of all time, and I never imagined that the video would do the song justice. The scenes at the table are wonderful, the expressions on their faces are priceless, and the mood is perfect. The desert scenes with the ribbon trail leading on and on really capture the sadness of this song for me, and the loneliness...And when the ribbon leading to nowhere jumped up and turned itself into the unspoiled NYC skyline with the WTC towers, I just lost it...after a full week of being upset inside, it finally all came flooding out, while I sat at my desk at work. I had to shut the door. Many thanks Joni, for the catalyst, and thanks to the JMDL, which I tend to come in and out of every now and then, for the unity and peace that these collected posts have brought in this bad time. I appreciate it. Reuben in Philly ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2001 00:40:55 -0400 From: slarty Subject: Re: "Poopy" Joni picture Loved the picture. If anyone would like a Windows icon made from the picture let know and I'll email to you. SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: > OK, I found a website with that awful caricature on it. If this doesn't work for you, and you REALLY are chompin' at the bit to see this horse-headed Joni, e-mail me privately and I'll send it to you. > > http://www.cybercd.de/sucheingang_d.htm?id=3ba8f8c28358291|cmd=query|qexact.Artist=Mitchell,+Joni|qkonv.Artist=1|qwords.titel=Girls+In+The+Valley+-Digi > > Bob > > NP: Marian Russell, "Just Like This Train" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 23:35:24 -0600 From: "shane mattison" Subject: The Tea Leaf Prophecy Molly McGee gets her tea-leaves read- You'll be married in a month they say "These leaves are crazy! Look at this town-there's no men left! Out of the blue-just passin' through A young flight sergeant On two weeks leave- Says "Molly McGee- no one else will do!" She plants her garden in the spring He does the winter shoveling The three of 'em laughin' 'round the radio She says, I'm leavin' here but she don't go Study war no more Lay down your arms Study war no more Lay 'em down, lay 'em down now (excerpt: joni's 'tea leaf prophecy') the long saskatoon winter, and the winter of a 'not always easy' marriage, but moments for the 'three of 'em'... ...and her inner child still calling them to 'lay down their arms...study war no more...' It was a time when young men went in droves to answer the call of 'king and country'...and this time (unlike the 'Great War', the first world war, or the 'war to end all wars', they had an evil enemy - a situation potentially yielding, Churchill warned, to what could become 'a new dark age, more sinister and protracted by the likes of perverted science' unless they 'brace themselves' for battle. And so young men could perceive that they may have to make 'the ultimate sacrifice'...and they were willing... Even then a few, very few, were 'conscientious objectors'...in canada, j.s. woodsworth, founder of the CCF, the commonwealth cooperative federation (Canada's 'Labour Party' - but with populist, agrarian roots from woodsworth's home soil - the prairies. He was the sole M.P. to vote against conscription, because on a personal and conscientious level, he had been, like gandhi or the dali lama, a pacifist by deep conviction... I just shared with a friend on the topic of being a pacifist, that we need to conceive of a society where it could be right for j.s. woodsworth to be one....and right equally for winston churchill not to be... i said to him for instance that i could not be one in world war II, nor could i imagine being one now...but that i could deeply respect the conscientious convictions of a man like j.s. woodsworth...it was right for him... priests, ministers...its right for them to be not warriors...they are to remind the rest of us of our higher and more noble calling to be 'peacemakers'...but i am not a priest, nor could i ever be one...i am called to be a layman, and this involves different responsibilities, to God, to society, and warrior may be one of those duties to which i am called (especially if i were 20 years younger, and really fit and firm of body and vigour!)... but then we have to look at the 'fighting' and the situation we face... the present situation is full of potential deceptions for people to truly understand what is going on... there is no whole nation to take on primarily, it is usually pointed out, but a no less deadly and dangerous enemy... composed of gangs of murderous thugs really...and so the proper response is a kind of 'cop for civilization' approach...and not just 'american cop' which creates resentment upon the often misunderstanding mobs, but truly an international cop, where we need the americans because of their resources and capability for the campaign ahead...the defence of civilization this time needs pinpoint accuracy ...and an emphasis that this is not a campaign against islam nor cannot it ever be, if we are to preserve the very civilization we are purporting to defend... Lay down our arms? no, not this time, in such a deadly peril! the only arms we need to lay down are our interior arms against God, the mere materialistic arms and the 'me-generation' arms...the arms that prevent our self-giving... That being said, we cannot go to the opposite extreme...that of filling up the oceans and skies with military hardware up to the yingyang when we really need thousands of james bonds!...people can be so easily fooled by this military build-up...america has a 'winning' consciousness, and this is also fed by the daily t.v. diet and computer games... ...its not about winning, but about perservering! its about only going after the crooks... and not waging world war three... So there are many diversions and escapes from this recent suffering... how important then to look deeper into the meaning of suffering instead of compulsive quick fixes (for those who only think of 'macho' reactions) .....their aren't any! c.s. lewis, oxford don, cambridge professor, christian apologist, took on the mystery of suffering, first theoretically (in 'the problem of pain') and then personally...he fell in love with a terminally ill jewish woman from new york named joy....he married her in her hospital room...she had a felicitous and very romantic respite for 3 glowing years... and then the cancer returned... after her death, lewis went through all that... before, he had only 'written about'... but, with time, he came to see the grace of God in more thankful eyes once again, (writing 'a grief observed') before his own passing... he said when he was young, he couldn't avoid suffering... he was dragged kicking and screaming into it... when he became a man, he chose it, that he might love... "that's the deal"... Here is a site, then, which introduces us to some of the ideas which grappled in the mind, and then in the experience of c.s. lewis... if there is a God who is loving, how can suffering like this occur?: http://catholiceducation.org/articles/apologetics/ap0032.html shalom, dear friends, shane ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 22:58:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Tyler Hewitt Subject: Pooptunes cd cover RE: Yikes. She looks like Mick Jagger!. lordy!!!! she looks like carol burnett with a toothache! Maybe it's the love child of Mick & Carol! LOL! Looks like Joni swallowed Mr. Peanut whole! - ---------- I'd have to go with the evil love child of Mick Jagger and Rickie Lee Jones, with a litte bit of Audrey Jr. from 'The Little Shop of Horrors' (the musical remake) thrown in as well. "c Karma" asked: Has anyone else been compelled to return to certain songs since the events of Sept. 11? I've had Rufus Wainwright's Poses in the cd player since about the 9th or so, and have listened to it everyday for the past week. Don't know how it relates to current events, but it is stuck in my head real good at the moment. __________________________________________________ Terrorist Attacks on U.S. - How can you help? Donate cash, emergency relief information http://dailynews.yahoo.com/fc/US/Emergency_Information/ ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2001 #293 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she?