From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2001 #290 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Monday, September 17 2001 Volume 2001 : Number 290 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Today in Joni History: September 17 [les@jmdl.com] RE: peoples parties (sjc) [M.Russell@iaea.org] desperately looking for... [ReckersL@ebrd.com] Re: Another perspective [AzeemAK@aol.com] Re: desperately looking for... [RoseMJoy@aol.com] RE: Another perspective [M.Russell@iaea.org] Fwd: backlash towards muslims [Kammass@aol.com] RE: backlash towards muslims [M.Russell@iaea.org] Tr: DED ["Laurent Olszer" ] RE: desperately looking for... [ReckersL@ebrd.com] PWWAM ["Ron Greer" ] Sara K, Tuck & Patti of interest to Joni fans ["Laurent Olszer" ] Re: Sara K, Tuck & Patti of interest to Joni fans [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: PWWAM [Brian Gross ] Indeed, something to think about ["joseph tischner" ] joseph --trite ["Dolphie Bush" ] oops ["Dolphie Bush" ] Re: Sara K, Tuck & Patti of interest to Joni fans [Nuriel Tobias ] Re: Joni, Nyro & Wizard of Is [Gary Zack ] RE: Jeff Buckley ["Garret" ] joni to me ["Dolphie Bush" ] those poor people, may god bless their souls. ["Dolphie Bush" ] Re: JMDL Digest V2001 #413 [gay reimers ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 03:01:49 -0400 From: les@jmdl.com Subject: Today in Joni History: September 17 On September 17 in Joni Mitchell History: 1996: Today the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame announces that Joni will be one of the inductees at the 1997 ceremony. - ------------------------ Search the "Today" database: http://www.jmdl.com/today ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 09:03:29 +0200 From: M.Russell@iaea.org Subject: RE: peoples parties (sjc) Dear shane, Thank you for your thoughtful post and for your words of love, kindness, forgiveness and peace. Marian On 15 September 2001 05:02, shane mattison [SMTP:cactussong@home.com] wrote: > oh... > i've had subscriber shiftings, from 'heavy volume' to mistaken 'joni only' > (for me that is), to now i hope 'joni digest...' > i could lurk...(or maybe i couldn't!) > what a broad, broad panoply of humanity here...feelings... > the difficulty of written emails only, in sensing where someone is coming from... > can't you just hear joni saying, at the isle of wight, or any innumerable places > (circa 1968-71 or thereabouts.)...please my friends, let's love one another... > let's start right here, right now... > loves' real...peace is real, > just believe it in your heart > and you'll find it... > > froggie plops into the pond... > Plop! > > shane ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 12:31:38 +0100 From: ReckersL@ebrd.com Subject: desperately looking for... Yes, desperately looking for a JMDL digest-er with a kind heart and a bit of time. I'll explain in a minute, but first of all I should probably introduce myself again. I am an big Joni Mitchell fan based in London. I bought my first Joni album as a schoolgirl when I still lived in Belgium in 1970, but I really re-discovered her music in much more depth in the last year and am now spreading the word (ok, her music) with a missionary zeal as much as I can by making tapes or lending CDs to friends. I posted to the list once before in June, but probably still qualify as a lurker. I've been reading the digests for months and have got so much positive information out of it, and also I felt quite close to some of you through your postings, especially the latest Jonifest postings. The only reason for my passive lurkdom is simple lack of time. I only have a PC at work, so my access is limited in time, and all I can do is read the digests, so however tempting it sometimes is to "jump in", usually I don't. Now my access has been even more limited by our IT department, and that is the reason for my plea for help. They've installed this program which checks all external e-mails for certain "profane or unprofessional" words, supposedly to stop us being bothered by unwelcome soliciting. But the result is that out of the latest 40 or so digests, I've only received 3, the rest have been banned! You can imagine how bereft I feel! So I was hoping to find somebody who is also on the digest list, who could forward to me those digests that I don't receive (I get a system message each time a message is blocked, so I know there was one!). This person would need to first delete (or abbreviate, so I still know what's being said) any words that may have offended my Big Brother system. So yes, I'm in fact asking if someone could censor those messages for me! A very sad situation, but I don't know what else to do! I would be extremely grateful and will of course try to return the favour (copying some music or getting hold of books that may only be available in the UK, for instance) as much as I can! I'd love to hear from you and in any case, my very best regards to all of you, you're such a great bunch and I hope I can stay in touch, maybe even be less of a lurker and, time permitting, be more of a contributor one day! Lieve. ********************************************************************** EBRD SECURITY NOTICE This message has been Virus scanned ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 07:52:59 EDT From: AzeemAK@aol.com Subject: Re: Another perspective In a message dated 17/09/01 02:44:51 GMT Daylight Time, Ricw1217@aol.com writes: << god help me, sending incendiary political fodder to this tinder box of a list, but i found the perspective in this article quite compelling and important. i've never done it before and i seriously question the wisdom of doing it now, >> I too thought it was a compelling article. I think it's really important that as many people as possible take on board that the Taliban are not synonymous with Afghans in general, and that there are good reasons why they got to power and have stayed there. I believe very strongly that bombing Afghanistan would do no good at all, and this article adds to that belief. I only hope that those who really need to get the message do so. Azeem ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 07:55:12 EDT From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: desperately looking for... You can access all of the missing digests from the JMDL site, they are archived offsite at smoe.org. Just go to www.jmdl.com (the homepage) then click on archives/threads from the left hand side index under the Members Section. Hope this helps. Rose in NJ rosemjoy@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 14:08:27 +0200 From: M.Russell@iaea.org Subject: RE: Another perspective On 17 September 2001 13:53, AzeemAK@aol.com [SMTP:AzeemAK@aol.com] wrote: > In a message dated 17/09/01 02:44:51 GMT Daylight Time, Ricw1217@aol.com > writes: > I believe very strongly that bombing Afghanistan would do no good at all, and > this article adds to that belief. I only hope that those who really need to > get the message do so. > Azeem It was indeed a very interesting article. On the news this morning, there was a story about the Northern Afghanistan resistance leader who was assassinated shortly before the WTC bombings. He was a very charismatic leader who wanted to overthrow the Taliban government. The story showed pictures of his supporters people mourning his death during the funeral service. It seems this Northern Afghanistan Alliance is prepared to offer 15,000 soliders towards any military action against the Taliban. I'm pretty sure the US government is aware of this. Marian Vienna ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 08:50:31 EDT From: Kammass@aol.com Subject: Fwd: backlash towards muslims In a message dated 9/17/2001 1:18:02 AM Central Daylight Time, KakkiB@worldnet.att.net writes: > Regarding the backlash towards Muslims and Arabs in the U.S. now. I really > did not think people could be so cruel but incidents have happened - even > here in L.A. where I thought we were more sensitive. I agree with your statement here and am scared. As many know, my husband is Palestinian, Muslim born in Tul Karem, Palestine-raised in Kuwait City, Kuwait. I am Italian-Scottish-Irish American, Catholic born in Vermont raised in Alabama. Ha-Ha! What a combo we are! After 10 yrs of marriage we decide to settle down and now we have John Calvin Samer who is almost 15 months. Regardless of where we come from we are the most unprejudice people you will meet. We have friends of all nationalities and religions and don't make friends based on those criteria. Assem has worked his way up from a fry cook in a local BBQ restaurant (ran by Greeks) to a Regional Manager of all 5 of their stores. I am a stay at home Mom with a Social Work degree. We have made a nice life for ourselves-we were young and did it all on our own. Now it feels as though it might all be taken away. We are raising our son in both religions and both cultures. He is learning both languages and, mostly, he is learning to be loved! We have friends who wear the Muslim dress (hajab), and are very religious. Some are American others Palestinians. There mosque has been threatened. They and their friends have been spat upon. Looks are different now. We are different now. It scares me to think that my son may grow up differently now. Calvin is a very beautiful baby and I'm not just saying that because I'm his mother. But the mix has been very good to him! Since he was born people have always commented on him and wanted to be near him. Strangers, family, friends, anyway you get the point. In instances with strangers, I have always commented -"...his Daddy is Arabic and my family is Italian..." This has now changed. We have to watch what we say, we have to watch where we go, we have to look to see who or what's around us. And its only been a week... I'm so sorry to unload this on all of you, but I felt like this was one of the most UN-bias places I knew. Thanks for listening and please be kind to your foreign American neighbors who feel the same as you towards Bin Ladin and this horrible attack on the United States and its people. Kammy in Alabammy Return-Path: Received: from rly-zd04.mx.aol.com (rly-zd04.mail.aol.com [172.31.33.228]) by air-zd02.mail.aol.com (v80.17) with ESMTP id MAILINZD22-0917021802; Mon, 17 Sep 2001 02:18:02 -0400 Received: from smoe.org (jane.smoe.org [66.89.201.78]) by rly-zd04.mx.aol.com (v80.21) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINZD46-0917021753; Mon, 17 Sep 2001 02:17:53 -0400 Received: from smoe.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smoe.org (8.12.0.Beta16/8.12.0.Beta16) with ESMTP id f8H69Uv1006688; Mon, 17 Sep 2001 02:09:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by smoe.org (8.12.0.Beta16/8.12.0.Beta16/submit) with SMTP id f8H69Oua006687; Mon, 17 Sep 2001 02:09:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: by smoe.org (bulk_mailer v1.10); Mon, 17 Sep 2001 02:09:23 -0400 Received: from smoe.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smoe.org (8.12.0.Beta16/8.12.0.Beta16) with ESMTP id f8H69Mv1006679 for ; Mon, 17 Sep 2001 02:09:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by smoe.org (8.12.0.Beta16/8.12.0.Beta16/submit) id f8H69LiQ006678 for joni-outgoing; Mon, 17 Sep 2001 02:09:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc26.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc26.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.51]) by smoe.org (8.12.0.Beta16/8.12.0.Beta16) with ESMTP id f8H69Bv1006665 for ; Mon, 17 Sep 2001 02:09:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hppav ([12.80.5.156]) by mtiwmhc26.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.03.16 201-229-121-116-20010115) with SMTP id <20010917060905.OTBS26461.mtiwmhc26.worldnet.att.net@hppav> for ; Mon, 17 Sep 2001 06:09:05 +0000 Message-ID: <002301c13f3a$c2985220$9c05500c@hppav> From: "Kakki" To: Subject: Observations (njc) Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2001 22:36:53 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-joni@jmdl.com Reply-To: "Kakki" Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Precedence: bulk I just went out to the local gas station to pick up a pack of cigarettes (unfortunately, I am smoking incessantly these days but not quite up to Joni volume). As I was there two men in official Army camo uniforms pulled up in a private vehicle to pick up some smokes themselves. I tried to convey my love and appreciation to them in that small moment. Regarding the backlash towards Muslims and Arabs in the U.S. now. I really did not think people could be so cruel but incidents have happened - even here in L.A. where I thought we were more sensitive. There is a secretary in my office who is a converted Muslim. She has always worn a certain kind of garment to work that looks pretty much like a nun's habit. On Wednesday morning when we returned to work, she was in Western clothing. Last Friday night I heard many loud sirens going with several fire trucks and police cars speeding down my street. A bit later, I had to go out and found a large section of a main street blockaded and surrounded by the police cars and fire trucks. I was relived to find out later that it was just heightened security for the Madonna concert! One of my co-workers tonight was at Madonna's concert here Thursday night. The way she described it made several of us choke up. Madonna had tears throughout and did everything she could to promote healing and unity among the crowd. She is giving the proceeds of these concerts to the orphans in New York. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 15:11:24 +0200 From: M.Russell@iaea.org Subject: RE: backlash towards muslims On 17 September 2001 14:51, Kammass@aol.com [SMTP:Kammass@aol.com] wrote: > In a message dated 9/17/2001 1:18:02 AM Central Daylight Time, > KakkiB@worldnet.att.net writes: > > > Regarding the backlash towards Muslims and Arabs in the U.S. now. I really > > did not think people could be so cruel but incidents have happened - even > > here in L.A. where I thought we were more sensitive. > > I agree with your statement here and am scared. As many know, my husband is > Palestinian, Muslim born in Tul Karem, Palestine-raised in Kuwait City, > Kuwait. I am Italian-Scottish-Irish American, Catholic born in Vermont > raised in Alabama. Ha-Ha! What a combo we are! After 10 yrs of marriage we > decide to settle down and now we have John Calvin Samer who is almost 15 > months. Dear Kammy, My sister is married to an Iranian man and I worry for her and their family and friends. I pray that your family and friends will be safe. Love, Marian ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 14:41:21 +0100 From: "Laurent Olszer" Subject: Tr: DED > <> BOB ANSWERED: > Without going into too much detail Laurent, I'll say that I think she allowed herself to get sucked in to some production that didn't bring out the best in her songs. Some great songs got buried and lost in studio gimmickry. > > Also, the songs she co-wrote with Klein forced her to pair music to a lyrical structure she was not used to. She comments in interviews that Klein writes in much choppier word structure than she does, and some of the songs feel that "force". > > But I don't throw out the dog with the bathwater. DED has some marvelous moments, and some great songs that Joni recasts in an unplugged fashion on other recordings which showcases their greatness. > > Bob > Hi Bob, I agree with your technical analysis of why DED is not a favorite. However I always felt that because the lyrics are particularly poignant, this forceful upbeat mood was a pretty clever way to compensate for that. In other words the music helped in swallowing the hard reality pill. Out of DED, I've only heard The 3 Great Stimulants done unplugged, and it does feel quite different. Although the music style in DED is not my personal favorite, I still think it serves its ultimate purpose well. Thats why I prefer the hard versions to mellower unplugged ones. Just a personal opinion. Laurent ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 14:45:00 +0100 From: ReckersL@ebrd.com Subject: RE: desperately looking for... Dear all, thanks to Rose I have found a much simpler solution so that I can access those messages myself (namely via the archives, http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni/). I am very grateful, also for the other reply I've already received in such short time, offering to "play censor". I must say, I was a bit red cheeked asking for such a big favour, and I'm so glad to see the friendly responses I've received. So even if you don't hear from me again for a while, I will be there, reading and sharing your thoughts and information. Hoping somehow to keep in touch, with all my best wishes, Lieve. -----Original Message----- From: Reckers, Lieve Sent: Monday, September 17, 2001 12:32 PM To: 'joni@smoe.org' Subject: desperately looking for... Yes, desperately looking for a JMDL digest-er with a kind heart and a bit of time. I'll explain in a minute, but first of all I should probably introduce myself again. I am an big Joni Mitchell fan based in London. I bought my first Joni album as a schoolgirl when I still lived in Belgium in 1970, but I really re-discovered her music in much more depth in the last year and am now spreading the word (ok, her music) with a missionary zeal as much as I can by making tapes or lending CDs to friends. I posted to the list once before in June, but probably still qualify as a lurker. I've been reading the digests for months and have got so much positive information out of it, and also I felt quite close to some of you through your postings, especially the latest Jonifest postings. The only reason for my passive lurkdom is simple lack of time. I only have a PC at work, so my access is limited in time, and all I can do is read the digests, so however tempting it sometimes is to "jump in", usually I don't. Now my access has been even more limited by our IT department, and that is the reason for my plea for help. They've installed this program which checks all external e-mails for certain "profane or unprofessional" words, supposedly to stop us being bothered by unwelcome soliciting. But the result is that out of the latest 40 or so digests, I've only received 3, the rest have been banned! You can imagine how bereft I feel! So I was hoping to find somebody who is also on the digest list, who could forward to me those digests that I don't receive (I get a system message each time a message is blocked, so I know there was one!). This person would need to first delete (or abbreviate, so I still know what's being said) any words that may have offended my Big Brother system. So yes, I'm in fact asking if someone could censor those messages for me! A very sad situation, but I don't know what else to do! I would be extremely grateful and will of course try to return the favour (copying some music or getting hold of books that may only be available in the UK, for instance) as much as I can! I'd love to hear from you and in any case, my very best regards to all of you, you're such a great bunch and I hope I can stay in touch, maybe even be less of a lurker and, time permitting, be more of a contributor one day! Lieve. ********************************************************************** EBRD SECURITY NOTICE This message has been Virus scanned ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 17:26:13 +0200 From: "Ron Greer" Subject: PWWAM hi firstly i want to say thank you for some of the beautiful and touching messages postd by so many listers re the wtc tragedy. we are thinking of, and praying for you here in south africa. the company i work for, which is a multinational (about 200 countries) french group, had 3 minutes of silence, for all of its employees, on friday at 1.00 pm local time. now for the joni stuff..... so there i was - walking out of the local wholesalers, arms loaded with 6 boxes of blank cds. i never learn - they dont have packets, and on my way in, i always think its not worth taking a whole trolley for a couple of boxes of blanks. going past the cd section, i decide to just have a quick look to see if theyve got anything besides the normal top 20 and/or pathetic collections - but no - just the same old junk. on my way out i go past the dvd section, and something catches my eye - you know how it is when something catches your eye, but you dont quite get it - then you have to search for ages to to find what it was??? carefully put down the piles of cd boxes, and start with a detailed inspection - fortunately it doesnt take long - our joni really cant hide in a crowd, even on the cover of a dvd. i guess this jonifan thing is getting to me - that i can spot her picture in a whole rack of dvds while walking past & not even really looking... now ive heard of this dvd, and ive seen it advertised on the net, but to actually have it in my hand - but i dont have a player i tell myself, shutup & buy it i reply..... so there i am 10 minutes later - proud owner of two dvd's - and no machine to play them on :) (i also found jimi hendrix's "rainbow bridge" (except its not really jimi - except for the concert in the middle!!)) ive just blown my budget on a new amp & speakers, so theres nothing left for a dvd player. so its second best - i go & rent one - a five month contract - to see if its really worth buying one. a week later, (a week of staring at the dvd trying to get some idea of what it will sound/look like) the machine eventually arrives. of course the first disc in is joni. wow!!! the first time i have seen joni since i saw the last waltz way back when it first came out - and all i can say is it was awesome!!! talk about "class" !! beautiful music, beautiful singing, i *love* the way she moves (just like lucindas song, only its just her & the music). for a large part of the concert its just her & the music, we are the voyeurs, peeking in at her intensely private communion... somehow those stories about joni & "art" com back to mind - yeah, she does *make love* to art, and what a beautiful, and moving sight it is,,,,,,,, - definitely no apologies needed........ tears streaming down my face - somehow the tension of the last few days is released. of course, amelias "the drone of flying engines, is a song so wild & true it scrambles time & seasons, if it gets through to you" has a particularly poignant ring to it...... NB - please excuse me - im pretty sure i got the line wrong, but i dont have the lyrics here, & i cant check them at jmdl.com, because south africas link to the us is only running at less than 20% capacity as a result of the tragedy.. what a great end to a particularly shitty week......... and what a pleasure, when the music keeps going on, past the end of the tracklist printed inside the cover, such great songs, and they arent even listed!!!!! ron ps - quite fascinating - we are having our local production of "big brother" - the one where they lock people in a house & cut them off from the outside world - and the house/inmates dont even know about the wtc!! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 19:38:38 +0100 From: "Laurent Olszer" Subject: Sara K, Tuck & Patti of interest to Joni fans I see discussions about artists I love: Joan Armatrading, Nick Drake, the Buckleys (especially Tim), Crosby. On my female singer/songwriter hall of fame, right below Joni, are SARA K and also PATTI (Tuck & Patti) . Is anybody familiar with them too? They've been making music for over a decade, and I still have to find a bad album. They both have the ability, like Joni, to express deep feelings. For you Croz fans check out the 3 CPR releases with his son James Raymond. His best work ever in my book. "Let rock'n roll soothe your soul" Laurent ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 13:44:04 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Joni and Laura Just found this at Amazon: Season of Lights," a live album, was released the year after the monumental "Smile" album. I did not see Laura Live until the 90's at the Mayfair Theater in Santa Monica, CA (Joni Mitchell was in the audience at one show I attended!). Jerry np: Laura Nyro - Season of Lights ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 13:59:24 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Sara K, Tuck & Patti of interest to Joni fans <> Help me out, Laurent...Sara K? I know Sarah Vaughan, Sara McLachlan, and Sara Lee (nobody doesn't like Sara Lee, especially when she's playing bass for Ani D! ;~D) As for Patti Cathcart, she's tremendous, and like you say always can be counted on for great music. Tuck Andress is an amazing guitarist! Their version of Woodstock is one of my favorites; they really put their own stamp on it. Bob NP: Cassandra Wilson, "By The Light of the Moon" (7/1/95) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 13:48:39 -0400 From: Brian Gross Subject: Re: PWWAM Ron Greer wrote: big snip > and what a pleasure, when the music keeps going on, past the end of the tracklist printed inside the cover, such great songs, and they arent even listed!!!!! WWWWWWWWWWWWHHHHHHHHHHHHHHOOOOOOOOOOOOOAAAAAAAAAAAAA STOP THE PRESSES Inquiring minds want to know Please fill us all in about these 'extra' tracks REALLY REALLY SOON Thanks Ron Brei np: Colin Powell at a news conference - -- After twenty-three years you'd think I could find A way to let you know somehow That I want to see your smiling face Forty-five years from now. --Stan Rogers ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 14:21:37 -0400 From: "joseph tischner" Subject: Indeed, something to think about Hi All, Forgive me, I don't post often, nor do I have the time to read posts often, but I do so when I can. And I thought that now that I'm back in the office on Long Island, after driving back from Chicago on Friday, I'd check in with how everyone is doing since Tuesday. The feelings are all so similar. I don't have the least bit of desire to be in my office conducting business as usual. I don't want to fly; I don't want to take the subway; I don't want to do much else other than grieve. Just talking to a friend at lunch, I mentioned that the only thing that brings me out of it is music, which I didn't have with me last week when I was in Chicago. But after 10 minutes of Joni or Ravel or Stan Getz, I come back to the realization that there are so many dead and so many more who have been traumatized that I'm having a hard time even trying to escape this madness. I know of only one who died; his wife is still hoping for a miracle, but I can't anymore. He was on the 92nd floor of the first building. My son's 20 year old friend was at a business across the street from the WTC when the first plane hit. He ran in to get his coworker and their tools out, and when they arrived back at their van, looking up, they witnessed the second plane crash. They got out of town as quickly as they could through very heavy car and pedestrian traffic. He's traumatized to say the least. And I just found out this morning that a friend's daughter was late to work on the 8th floor of the second building on Tuesday. She arrived to see the first plane crash and immediately turned around and left. She hasn't been able to leave her mom's house for her own apartment and now sleeps with the light on. She doesn't want to talk to anyone about it. I don't know; I'm feeling like I'm gonna have to talk to somebody. Soon. I've spent a lot of time in various churches in Chicago and yesterday at home, but I'm not feeling much better. They say time heals, but our future is so uncertain that thinking about all the possibilities makes me even more uneasy. I hope the attachment I sent is readable. Someone from work sent it to me and I wanted to share it. It really rings true. However trite this all sounds, I'm praying for all of us. And even though I didn't vote for Bush, I'm on his side too. God Bless. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp [demime 0.97c removed an attachment of type application/vnd] ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 14:22:16 -0500 From: "Dolphie Bush" Subject: joseph --trite Not trite at all Joseph. I am sorry this is so difficult for you. Although I know you not, I am thinking of you. Mack ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 14:35:40 -0500 From: "Dolphie Bush" Subject: oops forgot the njc. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 12:59:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Nuriel Tobias Subject: Re: Sara K, Tuck & Patti of interest to Joni fans maybe we're talking about sara craig? her cover of this flight tonight is maybe one of the best joni covers. the more i listen to it the higher it takes me. - --- SCJoniGuy@aol.com > wrote: ><also PATTI (Tuck & Patti) .>> > >Help me out, Laurent...Sara K? > >I know Sarah Vaughan, Sara McLachlan, and Sara Lee (nobody doesn't like Sara Lee, especially when she's playing bass for Ani D! ;~D) > >As for Patti Cathcart, she's tremendous, and like you say always can be counted on for great music. Tuck Andress is an amazing guitarist! > >Their version of Woodstock is one of my favorites; they really put their own stamp on it. > >Bob > >NP: Cassandra Wilson, "By The Light of the Moon" (7/1/95) _____________________________________________________________ Free email, web pages, news, entertainment, weather and MORE! Check out -------------------------------> http://wowmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 16:22:34 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Sara K, Tuck & Patti of interest to Joni fans <> I agree with you on that Sara Craig cover, like those others on "Back to the Garden" (The Canadian tribute CD) it requires repeated listenings. I love about 95% of that tribute. And my research staff tells me that Laurent was most likely speaking about Sara K, a jazz-pop singer. I had never heard of her. Bob NP: Stevie Wonder, "Master Blaster (Jammin')" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 22:06:49 +0100 From: "Garret" Subject: Old friends SJC My week started off most wonderfully. Yesterday my dear friend Emily called me from Boston. Although she woke the entire family ( i guess it was 2.30am in Ma, about 7.30 here), it was that moment i needed; you know that incident to make you smile, to lift the world from your shoulders and and let you say "yeah, everything'll be okay". I met Emily in Cape Cod when i stayed there for three months last summer. We worked together. After she discovered that she and i would never be a couple our friendship really took off. We went to dinner together; we listened to the latest music (gone are the days when one can afford every release in any given week of the music industry's year); she tried to teach me to like coffee (sorry, that'll never happen- if a job in starbucks won't convert me, i don't think anything ever will); we picniced; we talked life; we gave each other advice about guys and this list goes on. She introduced me to the work of Jim Carroll, I introduced her to the work of Joni. I have really missed Em since i left the states. Although three months may seem a short time to some, a true and fine friendship did develop ( hell, the girl even brought me to a *piercing* party! and yes, i did submit and undergo piercing myself, hehe, i played it safe though and had my lip done:-) Emails, letters, and phone calls were exchanged regularly until May 2001. At this point i got very caught up in exam fever ( i must admit it really paid off, when i got my results i was speechless, i thought they were someone elses results- two firsts and a second:-) and correspondence slackened a little. Then, i went to London for three months (that's where i worked in Starbucks, for anyone interested). During this time we only swapped e-mail twice if i remember correctly. Em moved from the Cape in recent weeks to begin her big college adventure in Boston. It is, for her, a truly exciting time- a little lonely, but exciting nonetheless. She turned 18 on september 10th, the day her classes officially began. Yesterday morning, as i said, Em called to say Hi, to say thanks for the birthday wishes, to say she's fine after the tragedy which struck her country. So, my week began in a lovely way. Today being the first day of university for me was at the same time full of merriment and laughter and fear and realisation and resolution . We swapped tales of the summer; scandalous and remarkable. Deflated, we sat in the canteen reviewing faculty and departmental regulations many of us (including myself) had never noticed. We probed through time tables, flicked through leaflets, and interrogated staff members in order to find out what we, as the student body, felt we had a right to know. We attempted to finalise our course selections; as the typical collegiate stress mounted a course convenor tried to convince my friend and i not to take his course. Why? Am i too stupid? Do i not fulfill all requirements? Did i not prove my abilities in the last set of exams? His course, he told us, is hard. I would have assumed that each and every ccourse in third year science would be "hard". Although not my ideal choice of course, his course- Evolutionary Biology- is one of very few options that fits my timetable, and i do believe that the course description in the handbook sounds genuinely interesting. Why, then, did he make it sound awful and refuse to sign my form? Well, he will sign it if i rethink it and still decide it is the best option for me!!???!? Attempting to find another course convenor had me on a wild goose chase, to use a cliche i am most fond of. That was to sign up for "the history and philosophy of science". So, i was getting a little stressed. We were fed false information by other students and by *many* staff members. Now, i know that it wasn't some conspiracy against us, but it sure felt bad to be running around campus trying to please the various convenors. To compound my mood, i was overcome with an intense and sudden tiredness. I really couldn't move; all i wanted to do was sleep. Or at least lie down and curl up. My body stopped responding, and i couln't find my voice. A little Patti Smith on the discman woke me. So i gave up my futile endeavours around UCD and came home. I listened to Court and Spark. I listened to Mingus. I listened to Shadows and Light, Turbulent Indigo, Miles of Aisles, The Hissing of Summer Lawns, and of course i listened to Hejira. I am now sat here with LOTC ringing beautifully in my ears. This is the first time in quite a while that i've listened to Joni other than S&L or LOTC. This has been an uplifting experience. I feel like i've been reacquainted with an old and dear friend, and that regardless of how long it is since we've last "met" i can always come back and things are just great:-) So, in conclusion (or something like that) i'll repeat Azeem's recent words: > Keep listening to music you love>. GARRET NP- Blue Boy "bring her boots of leather, she will dance for him" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 18:22:01 -0400 From: Gary Zack Subject: Re: Joni, Nyro & Wizard of Is Hello Jerry and all, I'm out of lurkdom for the moment to share some thoughts: What I found very interesting about "Season of Lights" is that when it was finally released on CD, there was a "regular" version and a "complete" version released. At that time I of course thought, "Well I'll get the "complete" version and have more than what was on the original vinyl." Much to my surprise, when I received the "complete" Japanese version, there were indeed more songs, but I also found that a few of the songs, i.e, "Timer" were different live versions released on the Japanese CD, and so some of the original versions from the vinyl were deleted. The "regular" or "not complete" CD version was released in extremely small quantities and I've been searching since its release on CD for the "not complete" version (Laura fanatic that I am) so that I could snag those live versions that weren't on the Japanese release. Finally, I found one on E-bay, but I can assure you these regular or "not complete" CDs appear to be extremely rare and hard to come by. If you love Laura as I do, I would highly recommend you keep your eye open for this. "Timer" from the vinyl and "incomplete" version is far superior to the one they released on the Japanese version. I know that Joni respected Laura very much, that's incredible to know that she was actually in the audience for one of her shows! By the way, I received through the kindness of Bob M., the "Couriers Folk Club Appearance" CD by Joni. I was absolutely stunned when I heard "The Wizard of Is." Has anyone else who received this CD noticed how amazingly close the song is in melody and guitar to Leonard Cohen's "Suzanne?" I wonder if the two of them wrote these songs about the same time, and if they decided together to use a basic melody on purpose? Maybe one was an answer to the other? Or who wrote which one first? After hearing the song, I immediately went to Judy Collins and pulled her version of "Suzanne" and the guitar riff is amazingly similar. Any thoughts? Anyone? I must confess that with my schedule and the high emotions of last week, that I haven't listened to it as many times as I normally would, since I love Joni's rare and unreleased material. I also want to express my sadness regarding the devastating tragedies of last week. I pray for our future and our safety, and for all of those lost, those who have lost friends and loved ones, and those injured. It still is hard for me to think about and grasp, forgive my awkwardness, but I hope you understand what I am trying to express. May God specially bless all of the list members and everyone in the New York City area. Best regards, Gary (protea man) Jerry Notaro wrote: > > Just found this at Amazon: > > Season of Lights," a live album, was released the year after the > monumental "Smile" album. I did not > see Laura Live until the 90's at the Mayfair Theater in Santa Monica, > CA (Joni Mitchell was in the > audience at one show I attended!). > > Jerry > > np: Laura Nyro - Season of Lights ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 23:22:43 +0100 From: "Garret" Subject: RE: Jeff Buckley Sherelle, i just want to add an old fashioned "me too" to what others have said as reagrds Jeff Buckley. I'm 20 years of age, and so i was at the "discovering" good music age when Jeff Buckley hit the scene. He was, at first, very alternative; and since friends of mine at the time strived to be just this they really admired Buckley. And that's without even considering the mans immense talent! To say that he is an integral part of the soundtrack of my life would be an understatement. Before i ever became captivated with Joni Mitchell or Fleetwood Mac or Patti Smith there was Smashing Pumpkins, Nirvana, Hole, Tori Amos, and Jeff Buckley. If i could choose to be able to sing like anyone, it would indeed be Jeff Buckley. The album "Grace" is usually going for mid price in HMV. I would class it as one of those albums that everyone should have. Repeating what has been said, the album is not entirely in the vein of that song. There came a point, among people i know certainly, when it seemed as if everyone was buying this album. My father (all due respect, he does have good musical taste...remind me to tell you sometime to tell you about going to see Roxy Music with him:-) loves Grace, so that proves it...Jeff Buckley isn't exactly "alternative" any more. Of course, who is to say what is? Mystery White Boy is an awesome album too. It was released last year and captivates me every time. The version of Hallelujah on there is great. Didn't Bono cover this song too for some tribute album to Leonard Cohen??? Now, that i'd like to hear. GARRET (in a chatty mood right now:-) NP- Patti Smith- Summer Cannibals PS- I know that Jeff plays guitar on a Patti track, now if i could just remember which one it is...... ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 19:01:23 -0500 From: "Dolphie Bush" Subject: joni to me Have tried to stay out of the political stuff the past few days and slipped today. Sorry Brenda. That kind of stuff upsets me even if I am sure that I am right. My mother always taught us to not express our feelings and if we did, we should not have. Kind of a flop in that area. It is cool this evening in oblivion, in the center of Texas where nothing happens. Old friends are long gone into the distance of the past and I am alone today. Joni comforts me. I have read the rare postings concerning her and realized that I have spent the majority of my time listening to Court and Spark, Blue, and For the Roses. So decided to break out some of the other ones. Have been listening to Hejira these past couple of weeks and just cannot seem to find why it is so great to some people. Guess it is me but not gonna give up and maybe I will get it. Ladies of the Canyon plays now and damn, can that Joni sing. "playing real good for free" Just finished with Clouds. "but something's lost and something's gained by living every day, I really don't know life at all". She always seems to put it into perspective. My imperfections, my failings, my strong points, etc. She makes me feel as if, irregardless of what I am or am not, she loves me anyway and it is okay to be me. thanks Joni. mack ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 19:14:28 -0500 From: "Dolphie Bush" Subject: those poor people, may god bless their souls. the evening is cool and the sun leaves the sky. alone and listening to the songbird tell her tale. the words matter not but the tone takes me to the depths of sadness for those poor souls. I ache for them tonight. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 19:41:04 -0500 From: "Dolphie Bush" Subject: who made the salty soup? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 18:30:44 -0700 (PDT) From: gay reimers Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2001 #413 Hello, I'm not sure if this is the proper way to address this and if not sorry. I've got a class "Communication and Aging" that I am writing a paper for. Title of the paper..( tentative ) "Both Sides Now: The Aging Process as Reflected in the Lyrics of Joni Mitchell." Am of course researching the usual avenues, print interviews, video, books as well as examining lyrics for references to youth / aging etc. Would appreciate any folks out there that can reference this subject matter. I don't want to miss or overlook any gems. Thanks much. Gay JMDL Digest wrote: > > JMDL Digest Monday, September 17 2001 > Volume 2001 : Number 413 > > > > The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by > Wally Breese, can be > found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains > the latest news, > a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics > and much much more. > > The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com > and contains > interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, > and much more. > ========== > > TOPICS and authors in this Digest: > -------- > Jeff Buckley's music on VH1(NJC) > [RobSher50@aol.com] > Re: NJC 1 answer to bigotry ["Mark or > Travis" ] > Re: Jeff Buckley's music on VH1(NJC) ["Victor > Johnson" Subject: Clarification: Joni's next project > ["kerry" Another perspective > [Ricw1217@aol.com] > For the fire fighters [Vince > Lavieri ] > NJC!!!! (another perspective...) > [Ricw1217@aol.com] > Re: Jeff Buckley's music on VH1(NJC) [Jason > Maloney Re: Jeff Buckley's music on VH1(NJC) ["Blair > Fraipont" New York Minute (njc) ["shane > mattison" ] > Re: Jeff Buckley's music on VH1(NJC) > [RobSher50@aol.com] > Re: Jeff Buckley's music on VH1(NJC) > [RobSher50@aol.com] > Re: NJC 1 answer to bigotry [Catherine McKay > ] > Boy! Am I glad I'm here (NJC) > [RobSher50@aol.com] > Re: NJC 1 answer to bigotry [Catherine McKay > ] > Re: Boy! Am I glad I'm here (NJC) [Catherine > McKay Re: crying njc [Catherine McKay > ] > Re: crying njc [Vince > Lavieri ] > Re: NJC answer to bigotry and Kakki ["Kakki" > ] > Re: NJC 1 answer to bigotry ["Kakki" > ] > Vince njc ["Kate > Bennett" ] > Observations (njc) ["Kakki" > ] > > - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2001 21:22:23 EDT > From: RobSher50@aol.com > Subject: Jeff Buckley's music on VH1(NJC) > > Last night and today, I heard a very beautiful song > sung by someone whose > name I have heard referenced on the JMDL before. His > name is Jeff Buckley, > and the name of the song is "Hallelujah." It was > absolutely touching and > beautiful. There was no video that showed his face. > What was shown was a > series of scenes showing rescue workers, fireman and > citizens showing love > for each other. It was perfect. From hearing this > song, I have concluded that > I really like Jeff Buckley. Any fans of his out > there? > > Sherelle > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2001 18:26:43 -0700 > From: "Mark or Travis" > Subject: Re: NJC 1 answer to bigotry > > > Bin Laden in addition to his belief in terrorism, > also follows > generally > > conservative beliefs as regards freedoms, womens > rights, gay people > etc. These > > are views commonly held by conservatives, are the > views we here > conservatives > > I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt, > Colin, and say that I > think you are inaccurate with your terminology. I > don't think that > being a political conservative means that someone is > bigoted or > narrow-minded or against gay or women's or anybody's > rights, at least > not in this country. There are extremist elements > who spew hate & > divisiveness in the name of many religious and > political causes. To > paint all conservatives (or liberals or Christians > or Muslims or Jews > or whatever) with the same brush is inaccurate and > wrong. This is a > point that I have seen Kakki fight to put across > time & time again. I > don't always agree with her political stances and I > don't even know if > she identifies as a conservative. But she is no > bigot. She is not > narrow-minded. She has a sharp intelligence, a > compassionate heart > and is always striving to see all sides of a > situation before she > makes up her mind. She is not guided by any one > party's line. She > thinks for herself. The same could be said for many > 'conservatives'. > And yes, Colin, I understand that you did not say > anything negative > about Kakki nor did you intend to imply anything bad > about her. I'm > just stating for the record what I know about her. > > Thank you, Vince, for your immediate response to try > & clear this up. > I know in my heart that you did not mean to offend > anyone or equate > political conservatives in the US with Bin Laden in > any way. > > Hate & narrow-mindedness hide behind many masks. > Some of the groups > that attract & harbor the hateful & the ignorant are > indeed > representative of those people. But just because > some of the > hatemongers identify as conservative or Christian or > whatever, it does > not mean that all conservatives or Christians are > hatemongers. > > Mark E > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2001 21:30:54 -0400 > From: "Victor Johnson" > Subject: Re: Jeff Buckley's music on VH1(NJC) > > > It was perfect. From hearing this song, I have > concluded that > > I really like Jeff Buckley. Any fans of his out > there? > > > > Sherelle > > I love Jeff Buckley! He has such a unique voice and > so completely expresses > his passion. My favorite recording of his is the 5 > song EP "Live at Sin-E", > recorded in New York no less. > > Victor > > > > > > > Victor Johnson > http://www.cdbaby.com/victorjohnson > > "Velveteen rabbits and moonbeams, > Come when you lay down your head. > While you are sleeping, they kiss you and tell you, > That you are the reason the sun lights the sky." > > Scarlet-V. Johnson > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2001 20:41:24 -0500 > From: "kerry" > === message truncated === __________________________________________________ Terrorist Attacks on U.S. - How can you help? 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