From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2001 #284 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Thursday, September 13 2001 Volume 2001 : Number 284 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- $ 0.02 (in guilders: fl 0.05) [John van Tiel ] Re: $ 0.02 (in guilders: fl 0.05) [colin ] Re: Personal attacks vs ideological debate - FOR EVERYONE ["Kakki" ] Save the Country :) [Lazyasz@aol.com] USA [Fonimitchell@aol.com] daniel ["Dolphie Bush" ] something special going on ["Dolphie Bush" ] stephen and bob ["Dolphie Bush" ] Re: Personal attacks vs ideological debate - FOR EVERYONE ["Mark or Travi] One more -- Joni content this time ["Lori R. Fye" ] Prayers for the lost. [johnirving ] Re: John Cale [jan gyn ] Eerie ["Craig Harris" ] Re: Eerie [Mark Domyancich ] Jonifest 2001 - a NZ perspective - part 1 ["hell" ] Jonifest 2001 - a NZ perspective - part 2 ["hell" ] Jonifest 2001 - a NZ perspective - part 3 ["hell" ] Jonifest 2001 - a NZ perspective - part 4 ["hell" ] Re: Eerie [Nuriel Tobias ] Attacks [Evan + Vanessa Thomson ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 14:34:57 -0400 From: John van Tiel Subject: $ 0.02 (in guilders: fl 0.05) Just a few thoughts after reading Marcel's & Laurent's & Chris' & Anne's & Debra's & Patrick's & E.T. CETERA's mails. A wise rabbi from Haifa to a boy who asked him what "truth" was: "There are three truths. Your truth, my truth and THE truth." An anecdote from Amsterdam, 1942, World War 2: "In 1942, the Amsterdam Jodenbuurt (Jew Quarter) was situated close to an area where the tough & rough harbour workers lived. Many of the harbour workers hated the Jews, picking fights with them, calling them names ("Smousen" - Spics), making their lives miserable at times. Then the Germans moved in for the first, mild, anti-Jew measures. Within an hour or so, thousands of wire-muscled harbour workers had surrounded the Jewish quarter, preventing the Germans from entering the area. Their explanation: They're fucking Jews, but they're OUR fucking Jews." Was this true? I don't know, I was not there. But I have always liked this variation on Decartes' saying: "I despise your views, but I am prepared to die for your right to express them." Let's not be angered by views. Not even when they are backed by conceived truths. Let's not see an exchange of views and truths as a competition in being right. And let's consider feelings to be 'facts', too. All parties, please - bullies, bullied and spectators. My 5 centen. John P.S. BTW, Chris, now I know why you are called "Marshall" ;-) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 19:51:09 +0100 From: colin Subject: Re: $ 0.02 (in guilders: fl 0.05) > "I despise your views, but I am prepared to > die for your right to express them." > > Let's not be angered by views. > > Not even when they are backed by conceived truths. > Let's not see an exchange of views and truths as a competition in being > right. > And let's consider feelings to be 'facts', too. > All parties, please - bullies, bullied and spectators. well put. views are views and can be expressed without abuse. > > > My 5 centen. > > John > > P.S. BTW, Chris, now I know why you are called "Marshall" ;-) - -- bw colin DAK,BRO GC, 950i 940,860,864, 260, 890,Silver 830 and 270, Passap 6000 Duo80 colin@tantra-apso.com http://www.tantra-apso.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 12:33:01 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Personal attacks vs ideological debate - FOR EVERYONE Brenda, I'm so sorry that you are having concern about your cousin and friend right now. I don't want to call for any censorship of posts here, but I also wish we could have a moratorium on the debates for just a little bit. It is more important for us to be sharing our stories and grief right now. As for those debates, let me say that I have affection and care for pretty much everyone concerned. I could not take sides in their debates if I wanted to because I have privately agreed with many points made by ALL sides in it. Please let's all try more to respect each other (meaning all listmembers) as individuals here. Please let's try to check our egos at the door for just a few days, if possible. The firsthand accounts of those are close to this abomination have helped me and I think others, so much. Please keep talking - we need to talk about this from personal viewpoints as we go through the shock and mourning process. . Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 14:51:48 -0500 From: "Michael Paz" Subject: Re: Personal attacks vs ideological debate - FOR EVERYONE Thanks Kakki and Brenda, I too amd so fecking weary of this idle bantering back and forth. Out of respect for our fellow listers gentle requests, please lets table all this political crap for the time being. Thank you in advance Michael - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kakki" To: "Brenda J. Walker" ; Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 2:33 PM Subject: Re: Personal attacks vs ideological debate - FOR EVERYONE > Brenda, > > I'm so sorry that you are having concern about your cousin and friend right > now. I don't want to call for any censorship of posts here, but I also wish > we could have a moratorium on the debates for just a little bit. It is more > important for us to be sharing our stories and grief right now. As for > those debates, let me say that I have affection and care for pretty much > everyone concerned. I could not take sides in their debates if I wanted to > because I have privately agreed with many points made by ALL sides in it. > Please let's all try more to respect each other (meaning all listmembers) as > individuals here. Please let's try to check our egos at the door for just a > few days, if possible. > > The firsthand accounts of those are close to this abomination have helped me > and I think others, so much. Please keep talking - we need to talk about > this from personal viewpoints as we go through the shock and mourning > process. . > > Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 13:10:42 -0700 From: "Brenda J. Walker" Subject: Re: Personal attacks vs ideological debate - FOR EVERYONE I'm pleased to report that I finally got through to my cousin's 8 year old who confirmed that her mom is hard at work but is safe. I must say that she is being very brave in handling these things. Although I still haven't heard word on my friend at Morgan, I just got an IM that the CEO has reported that most of their folks got out. I'll keep praying that my friend is one of the lucky ones. Thanks to everyone for your well wishes. Brenda On 12 Sep 2001, at 14:51, Michael Paz wrote: > Thanks Kakki and Brenda, I too amd so fecking weary of this idle bantering > back and forth. Out of respect for our fellow listers gentle requests, > please lets table all this political crap for the time being. > Thank you in advance > > Michael > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kakki" > To: "Brenda J. Walker" ; > Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 2:33 PM > Subject: Re: Personal attacks vs ideological debate - FOR EVERYONE > > > > Brenda, > > > > I'm so sorry that you are having concern about your cousin and friend > right > > now. I don't want to call for any censorship of posts here, but I also > wish > > we could have a moratorium on the debates for just a little bit. It is > more > > important for us to be sharing our stories and grief right now. As for > > those debates, let me say that I have affection and care for pretty much > > everyone concerned. I could not take sides in their debates if I wanted > to > > because I have privately agreed with many points made by ALL sides in it. > > Please let's all try more to respect each other (meaning all listmembers) > as > > individuals here. Please let's try to check our egos at the door for just > a > > few days, if possible. > > > > The firsthand accounts of those are close to this abomination have helped > me > > and I think others, so much. Please keep talking - we need to talk about > > this from personal viewpoints as we go through the shock and mourning > > process. . > > > > Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 17:34:24 EDT From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Picture CD John & Claudia: Thanks so much for sending the picture CD. I ran it earlier through Thumbs Plus which provides an option to view the pictures in a slideshow presentation rather than clicking on each individual JPEG. What an awesome job you guys did! You captured some really nice candid shots. I particularly liked the one of Jody and Les Ross. Their expressions say it all man. Thanks again for sending it so quickly. Much Love Rose Joy in NJ rosemjoy@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 18:34:39 EDT From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: [Jonifest2001] Picture CD Correction In a message dated 9/12/01 5:41:06 PM Eastern Daylight Time, rosemjoy@aol.com writes: > I particularly > liked the one of Jody and Les Ross. Their expressions say it all man. Pardon me, it was the picture of Jody & Victor lol rosemjoy@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 17:33:35 -0500 From: cvickery@danielrealty.com Subject: blackness, blackness draggin' me down far be it from a lurker to ask for anything, since the requests of others has been ignored..... but since we're *all* stressed and we're *all* on edge, please let's all try to take the high road here and be patient with each other. this forum is best used to shore each other up, not tear each other apart. and no matter what our intentions are, i think we've done more than our share of tearing each other apart on this day. all the best (please!!), cindy ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 19:08:20 EDT From: BigWaltinSF@aol.com Subject: I second that emotion... Hi everyone, I've been too overwhelmed and depressed to contribute to the list lately, and I'm still new, but I'd like to second the proposal that the strictly political debates and vituperously personal attacks be put to rest. Aren't there enough other outlets for that sort of thing? I am enjoying the general tone of sharing and support this list is bringing to my life, and I hope it can continue. love and peace to all, walt ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 19:32:19 EDT From: AzeemAK@aol.com Subject: Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2001 #281 In a message dated 12/09/01 01:16:30 GMT Daylight Time, StDoherty@aol.com writes: << All of this kinda illuminates the fact that name calling - the long hurt e-mials and all the other bullshit just isn't important. (Nor do some of us who aren't in the loop care). I hope it's the end of it. >> I agree that the trials and tribulations of this list are small beer compared to yesterday's horror. Where I don't agree is where you say that it's bullshit. The Marcel/Debra situation isn't a petty squabble about differences of opinion or ideology - it's about Marcel's repeated abuse of Debra, in ways that are in flagrant beach of both the letter and the spirit of the list's rules. I'm sorry, but in its small way I believe this DOES matter. Azeem ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 01:22:45 +0100 From: "Paul Headon" Subject: twin towers -horrific I have watched the horror unfold. what can I sat God bless you all in America from Paul Headon in Wales. - --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.277 / Virus Database: 146 - Release Date: 05/09/2001 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 20:31:17 EDT From: Lazyasz@aol.com Subject: Save the Country :) Come on people come on children come on down to the glory river gonna wash you up and wash you down gonna lay the devil down Come on people come on children there's a king at the glory river and the precious king he loved the people to sing babes in the blinkin' sun sang we shall overcome! Come on people, sons and mothers Keep the dream of the two young brothers gonna take the dream and ride the dove we could build the dream with love I got fury in my soul fury's gonna take me to the glory goal in my mind I can't study war no more Save the people Save the children SAVE THE COUNTRY!! - --Laura Nyro ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 20:35:51 EDT From: Fonimitchell@aol.com Subject: USA Our thoughts are with you all. That's all it's possible to say. Foni Mitchell. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 20:10:55 -0500 From: "Dolphie Bush" Subject: daniel there is one daniel. It is njc. no joni content. You used it and you had joni content. all of this other business is njc. that is so people can avoid it, if they wish. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 20:43:02 -0500 From: "Dolphie Bush" Subject: something special going on I was lying on the floor of my friend Jeff's house in Lubbock, Texas. We were stoned and listening to Rickie Lee Jones. His house was old and he and I were not interested in all that pretty house business. The ceiling had all these big white spots on it where it looked as if someone had been intending on doing something to it but never had finished. We had grand times there staring up at those spots and pondering the state of us and the state of the world . One night he put Joni on. I remember the song and the line that caught me. "the blonde in the bleachers, she flips her hair for you." I never forgot the line and even years later when I finally really discovered Joni I could remember it. Initially and still even court and spark took me completely away and blue almost took me as far. I kept remembering "the blonde in the bleachers, she flips her hair for you" Finally found that album and now it is up there with court and spark. wow, both those albums take me away. Mack - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 8:26 PM Subject: Re: Use The delete Key NJC > << Can we come up with a system to filter the Joni people from > the non Joni people. >> > > Daniel, the system exists...you should be on the "Joni Only" list or digest. > The fact that you got this NJC (NO JONI CONTENT) post makes me think that > you're not on the Joni only grouping. > > In the meantime, why curse the darkness, let's light a candle instead! When > was the last time you saw Joni live? Do you remember the first time you heard > a Joni song and knew that there was something *special* going on? For me it > was the high school cafeteria and "Help Me". > > And of course, the most important thing...what's your favorite Joni cover? :~D > > Bob, (I guess I have to leave the NJC on...such a dilemma!!) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 20:48:53 -0500 From: "Dolphie Bush" Subject: stephen and bob thanks guys. After reading your posts and writing mine, I did what I should have done earlier but forgot to do. I put Joni on. Feel better already. No animosity towards anyone. I love you all and mankind. Too bad the entire world cannot discover Joni. Mack ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 19:03:33 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: Personal attacks vs ideological debate - FOR EVERYONE > I'd like to ask that we have a moratorium on this type of discussion (personal attacks and > political debates) for the rest of the week. > > I have a cousin who is a Manhattan cop and a friend who worked for Morgan Stanley who are > still not accounted for. If either of them has perished, the political debate won't bring them back > and is frankly, infuriating. > > The list has been a light because of the empathetic wishes and encouraging reports. It would be > nice if it could continue to serve that primary purpose for just a little while longer. > I also am in agreement with Brenda. We're all far too upset as it is. We don't need to aggravate that by going on with these arguments. Can't we let it rest at least for awhile? I don't mean we need to entirely dismiss it because some things do need to be discussed. But right now my emotions are pretty ragged & raw. I had a hard time sleeping last night. I also appreciate the time & thought that people have put into their eye-witness reports, disturbing and heart-wrenching as some of them are. Out of respect for people's anguish & shock, can't we put off these other things at least for a few days? Mark E ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 19:11:37 -0700 (PDT) From: "Lori R. Fye" Subject: One more -- Joni content this time I find it interesting/ironic that the Joni lyrics that seem to be quoted most in the aftermath of this terror come from the album that so many on the list say they dislike the most: Dog Eat Dog. "Oh these times, these times Oh these changing times Change in the heart of all mankind Oh these troubled times" Love to all, Lori (a long-time DED fan) ~ __________________________________________________ Terrorist Attacks on U.S. - How can you help? Donate cash, emergency relief information http://dailynews.yahoo.com/fc/US/Emergency_Information/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 21:29:10 -0500 From: johnirving Subject: Prayers for the lost. Thank you one and all for sharing your heartfelt joys of Jonifest. It makes the tragedy a little easier to bear. Just a little. -And thanks too for the eloquent words spoken here. They strengthen us all. The people who did this succeeded at nothing but death. Little do they realize, they have made us stronger because we value and cheerish life all the more. The nation will heal as we pray for those who lost precious life in the most horrible way imaginable. God bless you all. john. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 22:00:01 -0700 From: jan gyn Subject: Re: John Cale At 01:04 PM 9/11/01 EDT, Reuben3rd@aol.com wrote: >>>Debra said: NP: John Cale's Hallelujah in the promo for tv show Third Watch. >Can anyone point me in the right direction for getting started with John Cale? I'm not that familiar with him, but saw him perform with The Creatures (GREAT SHOW!!) in 1998. I really liked his sets, and wondered where I should begin... My favorite Cale is 'Paris 1919', which was released in the early '70s. - -jan ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 21:27:07 -0700 From: "Craig Harris" Subject: Eerie Nostradamus' prediction on WW3: "In the year of the new century and nine months, From the sky will come a great King of Terror... The sky will burn at forty-five degrees. Fire approaches the great new city..." "In the city of york there will be a great collapse, 2 brothers torn apart by chaos while the fortress falls the great leader will succumb third big war will begin when the big city is burning" - - NOSTRADAMUS (1654) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 00:04:40 -0500 From: Mark Domyancich Subject: Re: Eerie This has been debunked: http://www.snopes2.com/inboxer/hoaxes/predict.htm Mark NP-Grateful Dead, Providence RI 9/15/73-Weather Report Suite At 9:27 PM -0700 9/12/01, Craig Harris wrote: >Nostradamus' prediction on WW3: > >"In the year of the new century and nine months, >>From the sky will come a great King of Terror... >The sky will burn at forty-five degrees. >Fire approaches the great new city..." > >"In the city of york there will be a great collapse, >2 brothers torn apart by chaos >while the fortress falls the great leader will succumb >third big war will begin when the big city is burning" > >- NOSTRADAMUS (1654) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 17:32:18 +1200 From: "hell" Subject: Jonifest 2001 - a NZ perspective - part 1 I was going to delay writing this report until the world had settled down a little, but as I said in a previous post, normality is what the terrorists DON'T want, and hopefully this report (and the memories it conjures) might make a few of you smile, and forget your troubles (and those of the world) for just a little while. I've also not labelled this NJC, as in my opinion Jonifest - being a gathering for members of the Joni Mitchell Discussion List - is directly related to Joni. Feel free to delete now if you disagree. And now onto the report: It was with mixed feelings that I made the decision to come to Jonifest. There were many factors to consider: time off work, the uncertainty of meeting (and staying with) people I don't really know, not to mention considerable expense. I now look back and think "How could I have had any doubts?" I won't mention too much of my travels outside of those directly related to the fest itself, for reasons of brevity (that's a good one, coming from me!) but will start on Friday 31st August. Lori and I left DC in her car at around 8.30am, headed for Topsfield. I had a sleepless night the night before, waking at 4.30am - far too wired to sleep. After numerous delays, pouring rain and crawling traffic, we arrived at our motel at 9.00pm, tired but anxious to get to Ashara's. We walked in the door at around 10pm (after a refreshing shower and change of clothes) to be greeted by the sight of what seemed (to me) to be hundreds of people in Ashara's kitchen. In reality there must have been about 20, but with the trepidation I was feeling walking in the door, it was quite overwhelming. My fears were short-lived. I was immediately hugged by WallyK, Bob Muller, Ashara and a host of other people, and was soon holding a cold beer, and heading for the (relative) coolness of the "smoking deck" to be greeted by another round of hugs and hellos. One thing people don't warn you about, is the incredible feeling of "family" that is evident at these gatherings. You immediately feel at home, and that you're just revisiting old friends. A unique experience. There were people gathered in groups all over the house - some rehearsing for the following day, some chatting, some just playing for the fun of it. But wherever you go, you see smiles. Part 2 to follow...... ____________________________ "To have great poets, there must be great audiences too." - Walt Whitman hell@ihug.co.nz Hell's Personal Photo Page: http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hell/main/personal.htm Visit the NBLs (Natural Born Losers) at: http://www.nbls.co.nz ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 17:33:50 +1200 From: "hell" Subject: Jonifest 2001 - a NZ perspective - part 2 Lori and I left Ashara's at around 2.30am (quietly sneaking out the door) mindful of a full day's activity to come. Saturday dawned fine and much cooler than the night before - thank god. I've already said I'll never complain about Auckland's humidity ever again, but at least everyone else was as hot and sticky as I was! We arrived back around 10am to grab a quick bite to eat, and to help with some final preparations and the loading of vehicles. We then set off for the church hall, arriving around noon, with the performances already underway. The performances! What can I say that hasn't already been said? I've heard the music from previous fests, and have been impressed by what I've heard. But either people have been holding back, or everyone just found a higher level this time. There wasn't one performance that didn't scream "You should be doing this for a living!" Of course, some people are, and it was obvious why, but there were many others, some nervous, some inexperienced, but all incredible. For someone (as Kerry has pointed out) that didn't get the kd lang or Melissa Etheridge gene, it was almost disappointing not to be up there too. Far less embarassing, but disappointing. I won't describe every act I saw - and unfortunately, given the overwhelming desire to actually talk to people as well as listen (I've always liked the sound of my own voice too much) I did miss a few. Just an extra reason to look forward to receiving the CD's of the event. But some stand-out performances (for me), in no particular order: Alison, Les I, and Claudia - Alison had been stressing about this all afternoon. God knows why, it was absolutely perfect. Gregg - everyone loves Gregg, and with good reason. The man can SING. And play. And he looks pretty too. Didn't quite make "the list" but definite under-study material. John Van Tiel, Claudia, Les R, Chris - apologies if I missed someone (I feel like I did). A Crowded House song that was really special. Thank you so much. Marcel - say what you like about the man, but he can PLAY. He is an incredible musician that I felt privileged to hear. And last (definitely not least): Claudia. I could listen to Claud all day, all night, all week, all year - you get the picture. Absolutely wonderful. Now remember, I said everyone was wonderful, and I meant it. But if I'm going to keep these posts from reaching the size of a small novel, I need to be selective. Just take it as read that if you performed, I loved it and thought you were great! One other moment that stands out was the presentation. During the evening, there were several breaks in the performances for various announcements, including the raffle, giveaways, house-keeping matters. What I didn't expect was to be singled out for special attention just because I had travelled the furthest. I know everyone was blown away by the fact that I borrowed money to make the trip, but I'm damn sure other people suffered worse hardships that having a small payment to a bank for a while after they got home. But I was deeply moved by this gesture, and while I never mind being the centre of attention as a result of my own actions, I always feel profoundly embarassed to be singled out like this. Please note that my reluctance to speak or even stay on the stage for more than two seconds was not because I did not appreciate the gesture. Absolutely the opposite is true. For the record (for those nosey people who didn't see) Ashara presented me with a hand-thrown mug - a Topsfield souvenir. Ric (who unfortunately I didn't get the chance to meet) must have spent literally hours making up five tapes of randomly ordered Joni songs - I think every song she's ever recorded. Ric, I haven't thanked you even privately yet (and I will) but want to publicly acknowledge this wonderful gift, which I appreciate more than you know. If I ever needed the comfort of Joni on a flight home, it was on this trip. The rest of Saturday was much the same - listening to people perform, chatting outside with the other smokers, telling bad jokes, going on liquor-runs, drinking the liquor - you get the picture. The church "gig" wound up around 11.30pm leaving us half an hour to clean up and get out. Which we accomplished with ease. As well as having the best taste in music in the world, Jonifesters are also incredibly efficient at sweeping and mopping. Although a couple of people (I won't name names, but they know who they are) got a little over-excited at trying to inhale the helium from the balloons, when they should have been working. I, on the other hand, know where my priorities are (and I couldn't get the damn knot undone anyway). After the church it was back to Ashara's for more music and conversation. A few of us gathered in the TV room, hereafter known as the home of the "lesbian sofa". I won't go into too many details about the circumstances surrounding the naming of the furniture - it was one of those "you had to be there" kind of deals. Suffice to say, we upset the dog, alienated the cat, and Yael probably thinks we're emotionless, tactless idiots for giggling hysterically through her song. Yael, I apologise, and while I don't like casting blame, I would look in the direction of a certain bee-keeper, who while presenting a facade of caring and compassion at all times (and she does possess these great qualities) also possesses the driest, most devious sense of humour, and some people just could not control themselves! After things settled dowm, and I had left the room to compose myself (unsuccessfully, I must admit) a few others arrived back, and an impromptu concert began. Everyone seemed to have a song, but the highlight of the evening (and I would have to admit, probably the musical highlight of the trip for me) was hearing Paz, Marcel and Victor performing CSNY songs. Paz and Marcel on guitar, Victor on guitar, flute, or whatever else was lying around - to paraphrase something Bob Muller said at one point, somewhere in the world, someone is inventing a new instrument, and in 24 hours, Victor will have mastered it. Victor, I am in AWE! But these guys ROCKED! It must be so wonderful to be able to pick up an instrument like that, and just play. Saturday wound up around 4am, after several hours of listening to music, and chatting to various people. It was too cold to sit outside and chat (even making use of the Paz sandwich), and there was another full day ahead of us. Part 3 to follow..... ____________________________ "To have great poets, there must be great audiences too." - Walt Whitman hell@ihug.co.nz Hell's Personal Photo Page: http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hell/main/personal.htm Visit the NBLs (Natural Born Losers) at: http://www.nbls.co.nz ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 17:34:00 +1200 From: "hell" Subject: Jonifest 2001 - a NZ perspective - part 3 Sunday dawned fine and bright again, and we were up and out at around noon. Donna, Lori, Kerry and I had decided to make use of the early afternoon with a drive into Boston to see the sights. Boy, did we see some sights! We intended going straight into the city, and getting on a Duck Boat tour, which is about an hour and a half long. Plenty of time to get back to the motel and change for Atty May's around 3pm. Or so we thought. Two hours later (not the usual 20 minutes - ohhhh, no) we made our destination - a car park in central Boston City. It was somewhat disturbing that the task of navigator fell to me - someone from another country, sitting in the back seat, on the wrong side of the car to be able to see street signs. Remind me never to go hiking with you people - we'd end up in Chile. We finally had the bright idea of asking for directions, and the very nice ex-cab-driver in the service station gave us faultless directions. Of course we went twice round the block before finding the car park entrance (another thing that the NZer was able to spot where the Americans failed) and we parked and went over to the tour kiosk. Oh dear. "Sold out for the day" generally means that you're not going to be riding around Boston looking at the sights, but there was obviously some weird kind of cosmic force working against us today. We then decide to look for somewhere to sit down for a meal. It's already 2.30pm so we figure we might as well get something out of the day. We finally end up in a little underground cafe-type place, that sells 457 types of tea. Seriously, I counted. OK, I didn't but I think my estimate is pretty damn close. We order food and drinks (two of us ordering Diet Coke instead of tea - ironic, really) and sit chatting, then once again, the NZer in the group embarasses the Americans by pointing out that we're in a place that specialises in tea, and we're in Boston. Honestly, what do they teach you in History class over there!? Finally we're headed back to Boston, and 20 minutes later we're at the motel. 20 minutes! Who'd have guessed Boston was so close! A few minutes later we're back on the road headed for Atty May's and a night of more performances, drinking and chatting. As soon as we arrive, I head down to the sea, to dip my toes in a different ocean to the one I see every day. Back to the bar, and a cold beer. I'm in heaven here. A cosy bar, great company, cold beer in my hand, and wonderful live music an arm-length away. I can see the attraction of this place. Unfortunately it seems the growth of our wee family is too much for the bar too hold, and regretfully, after hearing a great New Orleans band, we decide that due to lack of space (and breathable air) we'd be better off heading back into Topsfield. A sad end to a great night, but the night is not over. A quick note to Michael and Kakki - thank you for finding Atty May's, and introducing us to it (and her). It's a shame the night didn't work out better for all concerned - but for the record, I had a great time! So we're back to Ashara's by about 10.30pm (once again the NZer is able to navigate from the back-seat, and in the dark) otherwise Lori, Kerry and I would be somewhere in northern Maine, wondering where Ashara's house disappeared to. Another night of music and talking - this time not as cold as the previous night, so the smokers deck is a pleasant place to be. There is music going on in the other two main congregation areas, and the contrast in these two rooms has me in hysterics for quite some time. In the TV room, they're playing quiet, beautiful music, with the lights off, incense and candles burning. A really nice space to be a part of. In the music room? Complete heresy - The Ganja Line! In order to understand, take a Joni Mitchell song, and substitute the words ganja, reefer, smoke, grass etc. for every noun. Get the picture? I walked from the beautiful room, to the mad room and just burst out laughing - something that also happens a lot at Jonifest. Outside we were a lot more civilised. OK, the sheep jokes may not have been pretty, but we weren't taking the piss out of our musical icon. For the record, I think I know which room Joni would have been in, had she been there! Sunday wound up around 2.30am, with a lot of very emotional goodbyes. Luckily I knew I'd see some people the next day, so I could avoid doing it all at once, although some got a double-dose of hugs. Part 4 to follow...... ____________________________ "To have great poets, there must be great audiences too." - Walt Whitman hell@ihug.co.nz Hell's Personal Photo Page: http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hell/main/personal.htm Visit the NBLs (Natural Born Losers) at: http://www.nbls.co.nz ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 17:34:23 +1200 From: "hell" Subject: Jonifest 2001 - a NZ perspective - part 4 We got back to the motel on Sunday and I was far too wound-up to sleep, so spent an hour or so sitting out on the deck just thinking about the whole weekend. I've been doing a lot of that since as well. Monday we were up and on our way to Ashara's around 10am, feeling pretty subdued. The mood when we arrived was much the same, with everyone sitting quietly on the deck, quietly reliving a few key moments. The activities of the night before were relayed to those that missed them, with quite a few regrets expressed. Personally the only thing I was regretting was not being able to be in every place at once for the three days I was there, and not being able to talk to everyone for at least a day each. There were some more emotional goodbyes as people were slowly removed to the airport and various other destinations. I managed to keep my composure (for the most part) when saying goodbye - helped by the fact that I'd already decided to return next year. God knows how, but I'll be there. Lori, Willy the Shake and I were on the road about 1pm, heading back to DC, via NYC to drop Willy off in Manhattan. Given the events of the last two days, I'm very glad I was able to see the city before these monstrous attacks. Something I won't forget for a while. I won't go into the details of the return trip, except to say that it was fairly emotional. People tell you what a wonderful time you'll have at Jonifest. What they neglect to tell you is how hard it is to leave. I've never had a harder time saying goodbye than I did that day. Now for the people. I'm not going to mention everyone, because it would take too long, and I'd be echoing things that others have said - probably more eloquently. I will, however, briefly mention a few people that were extra-special (in no special order): Victor - thank you for the Amy Ray stuff. Rose - thank you for the beer run - I've been thinking of you this week, and hope that things work out. I know they will. Kakki - what can I say about Kakki! What an amazing hostess. She went out of her way to make my stay in LA an absolute thrill. Driving me all over the city looking at Joni-related sites, and all this while her father was ill, and she was not 100% herself. I can't thank you enough for your incredible hospitality. Paz - great to talk to you post-fest, made me feel part of it again Lori (and Mary) - again, great hosts, and I was NOT a great house-guest post-fest! I was miserable, and despite their efforts, not really interested in anything. Thanks again for driving me to Topsfield, and showing me the sites - you know there's always a bed here, see you in 2003! Alison - thanks for making me laugh. It's always great to meet someone who love AbFab as much as I do (not to mention a love of beer - something close to my heart!) Maggie - thank you for organising the food, and sorry we didn't get to talk more Steve Polifka - thank you for my cheese-head hat (I think) and the CD Bob Muller - thanks for being you (and note that no babies were harmed by dingos in the typing of this post) Anne - wonderful to meet you at last (and I hope my gift works) Les I - the man! Didn't get to talk to you much, but thank you for starting all this. Mags and Brian - we didn't get to talk like I'd hoped, but then we didn't need to. Next year, maybe! Jimmy - the man I'd marry if he wasn't....or I wasn't.....anyway, I hope you're enjoying the Marmite! John and Claud - wonderful to meet both of you, and John, for the kitchen conversation (and the chocolates). I wish we'd had time for more. Claudia, you're not allowed to talk to me - just sing. Willy - sorry we didn't talk more, even though we had a long time in the car to do it! I know you understand my head was reeling. Susan - great meeting you, and hanging out at Atty May's Sharon - thank you from the bottom of my heart for all your wise words these last few days. Donna - almost as mad as me! The Boston trip will have me giggling for some time to come. Ashara - what a woman! Inviting 60 or 70 absolutely mad jmdlers into her home for 4 years running takes something special. You are a saint (and so is Sal)! Kerry - what can I say about Kerry. My Milwaukee kindred spirit. Laverne to my Shirley. Or probably the Shirley to my Laverne (I think I'm the madder one). Friends forever. I'm sure I've forgotten someone absolutely vital, and they're probably never going to speak to me again, but if anyone has actually read this entire monologue then I'll be very surprised! Thank you to everyone who greeted me with a smile and a hug, and who shared a conversation. That's it. My adventures in Topsfield. Obviously the story is not over - the relationships you build by meeting people face to face endure much longer than words on a computer screen, and I'll be friends with these people for a very long time. If you have read this far, and you've never been to a Jonifest, take my advice. Go. Start saving now. Sell something. Do whatever you need to, but don't let another Jonifest pass you by. You will NOT regret it. It might even change your life. Hell ____________________________ "To have great poets, there must be great audiences too." - Walt Whitman hell@ihug.co.nz Hell's Personal Photo Page: http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hell/main/personal.htm Visit the NBLs (Natural Born Losers) at: http://www.nbls.co.nz ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 22:53:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Nuriel Tobias Subject: Re: Eerie The FBI should immediately find and investigate this fellow. - --- "Craig Harris" > wrote: >Nostradamus' prediction on WW3: > >"In the year of the new century and nine months, >From the sky will come a great King of Terror... >The sky will burn at forty-five degrees. >Fire approaches the great new city..." > >"In the city of york there will be a great collapse, >2 brothers torn apart by chaos >while the fortress falls the great leader will succumb >third big war will begin when the big city is burning" > >- NOSTRADAMUS (1654) _____________________________________________________________ Free email, web pages, news, entertainment, weather and MORE! Check out -------------------------------> http://wowmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 16:37:40 +1000 From: Evan + Vanessa Thomson Subject: Attacks I just wanted to post this to all... Nothing I can or will write will ever be able to express just how I feel and what I am experiencing. I have been incommunicado for months... putting all my Joni Digests in a folder to read one day - when I felt "happy" again. This appalling tragedy has just ripped me apart. Everyone has my heartfelt prayers and my sympathy. I feel sick, weepy and just a little frightened. My heart feels shadowed and my soul empty. This List has been so wonderful - filled with caring people, laughter, knowledge and of course- problems. Please - let's just be kind. Call this sentimental crap but I weep for humanity. I weep for my children and I weep for the little girl who thought life was beautiful. We need love especially now when all feels just hopeless. Finally - I guess I understand the absurdist movement! Take care everyone and please... let's give eachother a little compassion. Vanessa in Australia. ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2001 #284 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she?