From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2001 #281 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Tuesday, September 11 2001 Volume 2001 : Number 281 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Be kind [dsk ] Lou Reed ["Kate Bennett" ] RE: Talk to the hand ["Chris Marshall" ] RE: Talk to the hand ["Chris Marshall" ] Re: Be kind [AzeemAK@aol.com] Question for Nuriel [Leslie Mixon ] Re: Question for Nuriel [Nuriel Tobias ] Re: Be kind [RoseMJoy@aol.com] RE: [Jonifest2001] Divine intervention? [Anne Sandstrom ] Re: Question for Nuriel [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] World Trade Center terrorist attack [M.Russell@iaea.org] Re: World Trade Center terrorist attack [RoseMJoy@aol.com] RE: World Trade Center terrorist attack [M.Russell@iaea.org] SEND UP YOUR PRAYERS ... ["Lori R. Fye" ] Re: Be kind [Michael Paz ] Re: Be kind [Michael Paz ] God help us and protect us ["Kakki" ] Re: God help us and protect us [RoseMJoy@aol.com] Thank you ["Sharon L. Buffington" ] Re: God help us and protect us ["Kakki" ] is this it? [colin ] Behavior [MGVal@aol.com] RE: God help us and protect us ["Chris Marshall" ] Re: God help us and protect us [RoseMJoy@aol.com] Re: is this it? ["Kakki" ] bombings ["Dolphie Bush" ] Re: is this it? ["Stephen Epstein" ] Re: is this it? [FMYFL@aol.com] NYC's Folks checking in ["Michael Paz" ] Re: NYC's Folks checking in ["Michael Paz" ] Re: is this it? [Mark Domyancich ] Re: John Cale [Reuben3rd@aol.com] Re: NYC's Folks checking in [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: naked it the woods with art [Reuben3rd@aol.com] Re: John Cale [Jerry Notaro ] RE: NYC's Folks checking in ["Chris Marshall" ] Re: World Trade Center terrorist attack [IVPAUL42@aol.com] Re: World Trade Center terrorist attack [IVPAUL42@aol.com] Prayers [KJHSF@aol.com] Re: Thank you [IVPAUL42@aol.com] Lori Reason ["Victor Johnson" ] UN Peace Keeping Task force ["Sharon L. Buffington" ] Re: in shock [Mags ] [none] [Susan Guzzi ] Re: in shock [colin ] Re: John Cale ["Garret" ] Re: ["colin" ] debra [colin ] Re: in shock [Don Rowe ] Re: NYC's Folks checking in ["Michael Paz" ] Re: [Jonifest2001] Re: SEND UP YOUR PRAYERS ... ["hell" ] Red Cross pleas for blood ["Brenda J. Walker" ] I'm OK [dsk ] Re: Lori Reason [dsk ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 03:18:26 -0400 From: dsk Subject: Re: Be kind Who is doing the name-calling, Michael? Who is being unkind, without provocation? Who has done exactly as he pleases, among other things sending insulting private emails even after numerous requests to not correspond privately with him, and who has done that for years? I can appreciate that you and Marcel are pals. However, I think you need to at least consider the answers to those questions before you send a message that implies we are all doing something wrong. That is not the case. Frustration? No, it's anger that people are feeling because such behavior has gone on for years. It's especially jarring in a community that prides itself on being so loving. If you don't see anything wrong with the private post I forwarded to the list earlier this evening (just receiving it is rudeness enough; the insults it contains show very clearly who does the name-calling), or anything wrong with the sneering message from a while ago that Marcel wrote to me and posted to the list (and those are just the two examples that are public), then you're not willing to look, and you might as well admit that rather than give us all a speech about olive branches. Kate's "be kind" message seems to be an attempt to sort all this out, and I can respect anyone trying to do that. Your message is an attempt to cover it up and that plays right into the hands of your "friend". People wonder how abuse happens in "real" life. This is how. People keep quiet. People look the other way. People are charmed enough to not even be willing to listen to the people who say they are being harmed, even when there's evidence. I am incredibly grateful to the people who have been brave enough to speak bluntly and honestly about what they see is happening now, and know has been happening for years, because once things are looked at, there's a chance that the situation will improve. For anyone that wants to cover this over, no, not this time. Debra Shea Michael Paz wrote: > > Brothers and sisters! This is the way (Thank you Kate) to address this > issue. Name calling does nothing, but reduce the situation further (as in > some earlier emails). I truly understand everyones frustration in the matter > because I know Mark (who THINKS he's Marcel) and none of the names fit what > I am hearing tonight. I think it's not time to bring out the hammers and the > boards and the nails, but the olive branches and flowers to share. > > Love > > Paz > > NP-If You Can-Jack Neilson ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 00:31:18 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Lou Reed "wondering what Lou Reed will sing, which leads me to picturing him being at Joni's tribute. That would have been interesting... how about him singing Nathan LaFraneer? He'd make it so scary no one would go in a cab again" ROTFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ******************************************** Kate Bennett www.katebennett.com sponsored by Polysonics www.polysonics.com Discover the Indies at Taylor Guitars: http://www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/bennett.html ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 10:12:19 +0100 From: "Chris Marshall" Subject: RE: Talk to the hand Nuriel said:- > 2. a canadian cat painter called me last night and asked me > why no one at the jmdl is interested in talking about her. Oh, I dunno about no interest. Think she'd pain my two cats from a couple of decent photographs? What do you reckon... about $50 each? :-) - --Chris ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 10:18:08 +0100 From: "Chris Marshall" Subject: RE: Talk to the hand Sorry, that was meant to be NJC. - --Chris ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 06:14:25 EDT From: AzeemAK@aol.com Subject: Re: Be kind In a message dated 11/09/01 05:53:56 GMT Daylight Time, jmichaelpaz@telocity.com writes: << Brothers and sisters! This is the way (Thank you Kate) to address this issue. Name calling does nothing, but reduce the situation further (as in some earlier emails). I truly understand everyones frustration in the matter because I know Mark (who THINKS he's Marcel) and none of the names fit what I am hearing tonight. I think it's not time to bring out the hammers and the boards and the nails, but the olive branches and flowers to share. >> Dear Michael, It's all very well preaching love, but Marcel is spreading hate, poisoning the list and the inboxes of those he harrasses privately. I for one am not asking anyone to shun their friends or to hate them; however it sometimes comes to the point where we have to say "what you did there was not OK". If you think that Marcel's private post to Debra was OK, well, I'll be shocked and amazed. Maybe you dislike it as much as I do; however, if nobody said so then Marcel would think his behaviour was acceptable to everyone. I am aware that my post may be one of the ones you were referring to as name calling and making things worse; I don't see it that way. I honestly couldn't live with myself if I let a campaign of hatred and vitriol like Marcel's against Debra go without raising a protest against it. I don't make any ad hominem insults in my post. Some may think "you need help" is a gross insult. As someone who has received a fair bit of "help" in my time, ie therapy, it is not intended as an insult. Sure, there are disagreements on list all the time, and hackles are raised. This is of another order altogether. Regards Azeem ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 03:29:19 -0700 From: Leslie Mixon Subject: Question for Nuriel Hello Nuriel: You posted: so joni is not going to appear at the tribute to lennon? best news this week. I don't understand this comment, can you explain? Joni wrote a song for John Lennon called "Impossible Dreamer," it would have been very appropriate for her to perform this (or any song of her choosing) at the tribute. Why do you think that it is good news that Joni is not appearing? Any public performance by Joni is a welcome event for this lister. Curious, Leslie ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 05:29:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Nuriel Tobias Subject: Re: Question for Nuriel Hi Leslie. i see no reason why joni should sing on the same stage with nelly furtado, beck, moby and mark anthony. they make the whole event seem like the MTV's grind party. why should joni be a smart decoration for stupidity? is the latest style now inviting her to prerform with teen pop stars in order to make an event seem more respectable? is it, like, a little bit of this, a little bit of that, mix it all together, and don't forget to add some joni? that's what i meant. p.s. - is she doing bar-mitzva's? - --- Leslie Mixon > wrote: >Hello Nuriel: > >You posted: > >so joni is not going to appear at the tribute to lennon? best news this week. > >I don't understand this comment, can you explain? Joni wrote a song for >John Lennon called "Impossible Dreamer," it would have been very >appropriate for her to perform this (or any song of her choosing) at the >tribute. > >Why do you think that it is good news that Joni is not appearing? Any >public performance by Joni is a welcome event for this lister. > >Curious, >Leslie _____________________________________________________________ Free email, web pages, news, entertainment, weather and MORE! Check out -------------------------------> http://wowmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 08:39:19 EDT From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: Be kind In a message dated 9/11/01 3:12:40 AM Eastern Daylight Time, dsk11@bellatlantic.net writes: > People wonder how abuse happens in "real" life. This is how. People keep > quiet. People look the other way. People are charmed enough to not even > be willing to listen to the people who say they are being harmed, even > when there's evidence. > > I for one do not condone this sort of behavior and therefore cannot look the other way. I hope this helps. I've even consulted the I Ching about the matter at hand. Hexagram 4 Youthful Ignorance The changing line: 6 at the beginning The ignorant man must be dealt with severely and encouraged to open his mind if his ignorance is to be dispelled. Some guilt if you are too firm for too long You must discipline yourself if you wish to become adept. But this discipline must arise from your own need, at your own volition. Do not place yourself under the inflexible strictures of an existing system of discipline. retain the freedom of innocence in choosing the means of your own self-discipline. Rose in NJ rosemjoy@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 08:43:38 -0400 From: Anne Sandstrom Subject: RE: [Jonifest2001] Divine intervention? > It sounds cultish when you try to explain it OK, so here's the 'coward's' way of explaining it. It makes me laugh, but I manage to say it with a straight face. "I'm on a music appreciation mailing list. Every year on Labor Day weekend, we put on a big concert with people from all over the world. And every year it gets bigger." I then go on to describe some detail about JoniFest. People go "ooh" and "aah" and probably have images something like chamber music at Tanglewood, a lovely setting in the Berkshire Mountains where the Boston Symphony Orchestra plays in the summer. I figure it elicits the response we have to JoniFest without having to really initiate someone, which is impossible unless they're on the list anyway. lots of love Anne Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca - ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> FREE COLLEGE MONEY CLICK HERE to search 600,000 scholarships! http://us.click.yahoo.com/47cccB/4m7CAA/ySSFAA/JPJolB/TM - ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Jonifest2001-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 05:57:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Nuriel Tobias Subject: naked it the woods with art from the "contemprary christian music" page on the net: "joni mitchell, who is deeply invovlved in the satanic new-age, tells time magazine of an intimate relationship with a male muse (a demon spirit) named art, even roaming through the woods nude! time magazine(16, 1974,p. 63) writes of joni: "she deeply believes in a male muse named art, who lend her his key to what she arily calls "the shrine of creativity". it's the most serius and enduring thing in her life. "i feel like i'm married to this guy named art", she whispers. "i'm responsabile to my art above all else". joni wrote the new-age theme "woodstock" and has such blasephmous songs as "god must be a boogie man". certainly, there is a difference christian amy grant and devotee joni mitchell." _____________________________________________________________ Free email, web pages, news, entertainment, weather and MORE! Check out -------------------------------> http://wowmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 08:58:07 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Question for Nuriel <> I see your point, Nuri, and I think it's similar to Joni beating out Christina & Britney for a Grammy. I mean, so what? Put her up against her peers, and the award would mean something, and yes she did have some peers last year. But I'm with Leslie too (although not slow-dancing, shucks!) in that a Joni appearance is ALWAYS good news. And if she can turn the heads and ears of a couple of MTV junkies, more power to her. Bob NP: The Wallflowers, "Birdcage" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 15:38:12 +0200 From: M.Russell@iaea.org Subject: World Trade Center terrorist attack Two 737 passenger aircraft were hijacked and flown into the World Trade Center just before 9 a.m. this morning. JMDL members in New York, please let us know that you are okay. Marian Vienna ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 09:47:01 EDT From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: World Trade Center terrorist attack A plane has also crashed into the Pentagon. Looks like a war guys. PRAY rosemjoy@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 16:02:02 +0200 From: M.Russell@iaea.org Subject: RE: World Trade Center terrorist attack One of the planes was a 737, the other was a smaller plane which disappeared into the second tower and then exploded. The news that the same has been done at the Pentagon is terrible. I can't believe it was the Palestinians. I think Islama bin Ladin must be behind it somehow. Marian On 11 September 2001 15:38, RUSSELL, Marian wrote: > Two 737 passenger aircraft were hijacked and flown into the World Trade > Center just before 9 a.m. this morning. JMDL members in New York, please > let us know that you are okay. > > Marian > Vienna ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 07:13:38 -0700 (PDT) From: "Lori R. Fye" Subject: SEND UP YOUR PRAYERS ... NOW. Hoping all of our loved ones are okay in NYC and DC, Lori in Bethesda, MD ~ Get email alerts & NEW webcam video instant messaging with Yahoo! Messenger http://im.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 09:20:45 -0700 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: Be kind My point is the attcks on list are doing nothing but making everyone extremely agitated. I am pals with many people on this list including some of the ones that posted negatively. I do not support harrasment or cover up which you see to be assuming. AND I was directing my comments to Marcel.. It is a very sad day today and no is compounded by terroist attacks on our country. My heart goes out to all listers in NYC and DC and pray that everyone is safe and my prayers go out to the dead and injured by this barbaric act. I continue to wish peace to all on this list regardless of that Debra Shea may think of me personally. Michael on 9/11/01 12:18 AM, dsk at dsk11@bellatlantic.net wrote: > Who is doing the name-calling, Michael? Who is being unkind, without > provocation? Who has done exactly as he pleases, among other things > sending insulting private emails even after numerous requests to not > correspond privately with him, and who has done that for years? > > I can appreciate that you and Marcel are pals. However, I think you need > to at least consider the answers to those questions before you send a > message that implies we are all doing something wrong. That is not the > case. > > Frustration? No, it's anger that people are feeling because such > behavior has gone on for years. It's especially jarring in a community > that prides itself on being so loving. If you don't see anything wrong > with the private post I forwarded to the list earlier this evening (just > receiving it is rudeness enough; the insults it contains show very > clearly who does the name-calling), or anything wrong with the sneering > message from a while ago that Marcel wrote to me and posted to the list > (and those are just the two examples that are public), then you're not > willing to look, and you might as well admit that rather than give us > all a speech about olive branches. > > Kate's "be kind" message seems to be an attempt to sort all this out, > and I can respect anyone trying to do that. Your message is an attempt > to cover it up and that plays right into the hands of your "friend". > People wonder how abuse happens in "real" life. This is how. People keep > quiet. People look the other way. People are charmed enough to not even > be willing to listen to the people who say they are being harmed, even > when there's evidence. > > I am incredibly grateful to the people who have been brave enough to > speak bluntly and honestly about what they see is happening now, and > know has been happening for years, because once things are looked at, > there's a chance that the situation will improve. > > For anyone that wants to cover this over, no, not this time. > > Debra Shea > > > > Michael Paz wrote: >> >> Brothers and sisters! This is the way (Thank you Kate) to address this >> issue. Name calling does nothing, but reduce the situation further (as in >> some earlier emails). I truly understand everyones frustration in the matter >> because I know Mark (who THINKS he's Marcel) and none of the names fit what >> I am hearing tonight. I think it's not time to bring out the hammers and the >> boards and the nails, but the olive branches and flowers to share. >> >> Love >> >> Paz >> >> NP-If You Can-Jack Neilson ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 09:23:56 -0700 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: Be kind More name calling is not gonna solve anything! Attacking each other on this will lead to further sadness and hatred. Michael on 9/11/01 3:14 AM, AzeemAK@aol.com at AzeemAK@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 11/09/01 05:53:56 GMT Daylight Time, > jmichaelpaz@telocity.com writes: > > << Brothers and sisters! This is the way (Thank you Kate) to address this > issue. Name calling does nothing, but reduce the situation further (as in > some earlier emails). I truly understand everyones frustration in the matter > because I know Mark (who THINKS he's Marcel) and none of the names fit what > I am hearing tonight. I think it's not time to bring out the hammers and the > boards and the nails, but the olive branches and flowers to share. >> > > Dear Michael, > > It's all very well preaching love, but Marcel is spreading hate, poisoning > the list and the inboxes of those he harrasses privately. I for one am not > asking anyone to shun their friends or to hate them; however it sometimes > comes to the point where we have to say "what you did there was not OK". If > you think that Marcel's private post to Debra was OK, well, I'll be shocked > and amazed. Maybe you dislike it as much as I do; however, if nobody said so > then Marcel would think his behaviour was acceptable to everyone. > > I am aware that my post may be one of the ones you were referring to as name > calling and making things worse; I don't see it that way. I honestly > couldn't live with myself if I let a campaign of hatred and vitriol like > Marcel's against Debra go without raising a protest against it. I don't make > any ad hominem insults in my post. Some may think "you need help" is a gross > insult. As someone who has received a fair bit of "help" in my time, ie > therapy, it is not intended as an insult. > > Sure, there are disagreements on list all the time, and hackles are raised. > This is of another order altogether. > > Regards > > Azeem ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 07:30:59 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: God help us and protect us I can't believe this has happened to us. This is so horrifying. God help us. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 10:59:33 EDT From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: God help us and protect us In a message dated 9/11/01 10:49:12 AM Eastern Daylight Time, KakkiB@worldnet.att.net writes: > I can't believe this has happened to us. This is so horrifying. God help > Yes, this is pure terror and devastation. People are literally jumping out of windows to avoid the fire. The psychological effects that this is going to have on our nation will be felt for a long time to come. Let's pray we have the necessary changes that are going to be required to protect us and to ensure our safety in the future. How these people make there way into this country is beyond me. No one saw it coming. This is going to be the beginning of an inevitable War who's effects are going to far reaching. rosemjoy@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 10:10:45 -0500 From: "Sharon L. Buffington" Subject: Thank you Dear Vicky: Thanks for your posting to the list. I am so saddened that marcel has continued his attacks and even more saddened by the attack against the US by terrorists. This is soooo terrible. At our airport in Minneapolis, all planes grounded and the canine unit is out sniffing for bombs. The Mall of America has been evacuated...and federal marshalls are all over the streets in front of our federal building in Minneapolis. I am also concerned for our lister, Susan Guzzi because we have received word that the Sears tower in Chicago has been attacked. That attack has not really been confirmed so I am not sure about that. Jesse Ventura has placed our national guard and all personnel at Camp Ripley on alert. My prayers are with all of us...those who unwillingly gave their lives, those who serve to protect us and to all the families of mankind who must bear witness to this atrocity. Love and peace........Sharon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 07:55:30 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: God help us and protect us Oh Rose, my thoughts went immediately to you and those on the east coast. I can barely write from shaking. There are sirens going non-stop here in downtown L.A. where we are on tactical alert. May none have us here be hurt. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 16:22:37 +0100 From: colin Subject: is this it? I have been glued to the tv screen. I can't take in what i am seeing. Please god Debra be okay and Patrick and all those others i this area. What moron thinks this will help? A new depression. war. Help us all. London is on alert. Just spoke tiwht John adn it looks as if they might close his building-it having beeen bombed before. i hope he comes home-100 miles away from london. All of us need to pray. I am so sorry America has suffered this pain. - -- bw colin DAK,BRO GC, 950i 940,860,864, 260, 890,Silver 830 and 270, Passap 6000 Duo80 colin@tantra-apso.com http://www.tantra-apso.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 11:21:15 EDT From: MGVal@aol.com Subject: Behavior You know, I'm not going to label this NJC. This morning, I was thinking about Marcel and his list bullying. I was also worrying about my upcoming root canal, trying to get my mascara on straight and get my kids off to school. Then the news: NYC, Washington, DC. What a nightmare. And this reminds me that you can be in the middle of the most mundane things like washing your sox to the most sublime such as giving birth or falling in love and Ka-Blam! Things you have no control over hit. And hit hard. My prayers and hopes go out to list members in the attacked area. It's especially painful to me as my brother and nephew work right in and near the WTC and we are still waiting to hear from them. Please let us all come away from this experience with a resolve to honor life and our relationships. Love our neighbors as ourselves and practice kindness and patience, even when it's easier to do otherwise. Peace to all, MG ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 16:24:20 +0100 From: "Chris Marshall" Subject: RE: God help us and protect us I just spoke to my friends in New Jersey - lord only knows how I got an international line over there. Kevin had been working just down the street from the WTC yesterday, and was due to attend a meeting IN the World Trade Center tomorrow morning. I'm still shaking with the combined shock of the whole thing, and relief that one of my best friends is OK, although he could so easily have been there. The London Stock Exchange has been evacuated, and were I in any major British or western world city right now, I'd be leaving. - --Chris ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 11:41:05 EDT From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: God help us and protect us In a message dated 9/11/01 11:31:49 AM Eastern Daylight Time, chris@secure-si.co.uk writes: > Kevin had been working just down the street from the WTC yesterday, > and was due to attend a meeting IN the World Trade Center tomorrow > morning. I'm still shaking with the combined shock of the whole > thing, and relief that one of my best friends is OK, although he > could so easily have been there. > > Thank goodness Kevin wasn't in those building. My friend Ruth just called me and she said she was boarded on her plan ready for takeoff when this attack occurred. She managed to get a cab out of Newark and is home safe now. Thank God. They just got done saying that 50,000 people work in the WTC bldgs and that there were at least 20,000 present when this happened. St. Vincent's Hospital alone has reported that there are more than 112 serious injuries and 3 people DOA. This is just the beginning of the numbers reported injured. They are in dire need of blood. How can people even reach those locations though with the mass chaos? rosemjoy@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 08:35:16 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: is this it? I cannot imagine the trauma to those in New York. Please may they be safe. I am so glad that Lori in D.C. is alright. I just learned that my office building is closed and it looks like everyone downtown is being sent home. I'm leaving downtown now and going to my family. This is the most tragic day. Kakki > I have been glued to the tv screen. I can't take in what i >am seeing. Please god Debra be okay and Patrick and >all those others i this area. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 10:43:50 -0500 From: "Dolphie Bush" Subject: bombings I am literally physically ill from this news. Makes the triviality of what goes on here come to the fore. Just heard that United Airlines says there is another missing plane, Boston to LA. I fear it is not over. May God have no mercy on the souls of these bastards responsible. Mack ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 11:50:36 -0400 From: "Stephen Epstein" Subject: Re: is this it? I am absolutely speechless! Anyone of us could so easily have been on one of these flights! Heartfelt thoughts and prayers to all, and your loved ones. Stephen in Vancouver "Kakki" on 09/11/2001 08:35:16 AM Please respond to "Kakki" To: "colin" , "joni" cc: (bcc: Stephen Epstein/Agmont) Subject: Re: is this it? I cannot imagine the trauma to those in New York. Please may they be safe. I am so glad that Lori in D.C. is alright. I just learned that my office building is closed and it looks like everyone downtown is being sent home. I'm leaving downtown now and going to my family. This is the most tragic day. Kakki > I have been glued to the tv screen. I can't take in what i >am seeing. Please god Debra be okay and Patrick and >all those others i this area. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 12:09:17 EDT From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: is this it? Kakki wrote: << I just learned that my office building is closed and it looks like everyone downtown is being sent home. >> This is so scary kakki. I know that you're in downtown LA, and I would expect everyone to go home. On our local tv, they just announced that parents could pick up there kids from school and I live in a small city! In really made me ill watching tv when they showed the Palestinians partying in the streets, and throwing candy to all the children. How very very sad. My prayers go out to everyone, Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 11:10:02 -0500 From: "Michael Paz" Subject: NYC's Folks checking in Just got off the phone with Alison who is packing her truck to move home right now. She sez to tell everyone that her and Jeff are ok and that here cell in not working. Just wanted you all to know. Love Michael ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 11:57:05 -0500 From: "Michael Paz" Subject: Re: NYC's Folks checking in I have been trying call Lahm and Patrick who are the only ones I have numbers for. I will let you know if I get thru. I spoke to my friend Emily who helped raise my two children the first years of their lives and she is safe. She had just passed there this am and was near the George Washington Bridge when it actually happened. She didn't find out what was happening till she got to work later this am in NJ. I feel like I am being suffocated right now. I can't breathe and feel like I am choking. Michael - ----- Original Message ----- From: Suze Cameron To: Michael Paz Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 11:46 AM Subject: Re: NYC's Folks checking in > Michael, > > Thanks so much for letting us know. I have > been sick to my stomach since getting the call. > The entire school is quiet and in shock, silently watching the tv coverage. > > Have we heard any news from Patrick, Kay, Debra, > David L.? > > Sue > > > Get 250 color business cards for FREE! > http://businesscards.lycos.com/vp/fastpath/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 11:57:51 -0500 From: Mark Domyancich Subject: Re: is this it? One of the bases here in Illinois has been closed and sealed off from anybody, including workers at a country club that resides on the same island. I hope so much that our JMDLers are OK in those areas. Please let us know! Mark ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 13:04:18 EDT From: Reuben3rd@aol.com Subject: Re: John Cale >>Debra said: NP: John Cale's Hallelujah in the promo for tv show Third Watch. << Can anyone point me in the right direction for getting started with John Cale? I'm not that familiar with him, but saw him perform with The Creatures (GREAT SHOW!!) in 1998. I really liked his sets, and wondered where I should begin... Reuben ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 13:07:33 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: NYC's Folks checking in Our brother Stephen Elliott from NYC has checked in, and is shaken but fine. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 13:17:03 EDT From: Reuben3rd@aol.com Subject: Re: naked it the woods with art Perhaps this is Art Nouveau, from the DJRD sleeve...? Just kidding. Trying to distract myself from this terrible day. Reuben >>>...tells time magazine of an intimate relationship with a male muse (a demon spirit) named art, even roaming through the woods nude! time magazine(16,1974,p. 63)writes of joni: "she deeply believes in a male muse named art, who lend her his key to what she arily calls "the shrine of creativity". it's the most serius and enduring thing in her life. "i feel like i'm married to this guy named art", she whispers. "i'm responsabile to my art above all else".<<< ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 13:29:40 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: John Cale Reuben3rd@aol.com wrote: > >>Debra said: NP: John Cale's Hallelujah in the promo for tv show Third Watch. << Not sure what you are referring to, but the song is sung by Rufus Wainwright (same version as in Shrek), and written by Leonard Cohen. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 18:59:44 +0100 From: "Chris Marshall" Subject: RE: NYC's Folks checking in Just got through to Patrick Leader's phone. He wasn't there, but is OK and staying at his sister's. - --Chris ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 14:00:30 EDT From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: World Trade Center terrorist attack In a message dated 9/11/01 9:56:16 AM Eastern Daylight Time, RoseMJoy@aol.com writes: > Looks like a war guys. PRAY > > A war against whom? How do you retaliate quickly against terrorists, especially when those who actually carried out the attacks were blown to bits in the explosions? Are we going to war against Libya, Iran, Syria and Afghanistan -- the four nations known to be the ones who mostly sponsor such terrorists attacks against the U.S? Paul I ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 14:02:07 EDT From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: World Trade Center terrorist attack In a message dated 9/11/01 10:04:22 AM Eastern Daylight Time, M.Russell@iaea.org writes: > I can't believe it was the Palestinians. > I think Islama bin Ladin must be behind it somehow. > > Marian > > I don't think it's a coincidence that these attacks occurred on the > . And isn't Bin Ladin a key supporter of the Palestinians? One arm of his organization is called the Democratic Front for the Liberation of Palestine. Paul I ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 14:03:22 EDT From: KJHSF@aol.com Subject: Prayers Like all of you, I awoke today to this horror. I pray that you are all safe and hope that we'll be hearing from listers, especially those in NYC and DC and those who are traveling this day. I'm told from a friend who works for Continental that there's a plane with a bomb on it at the Cleveland airport. "Of the darkness in men's minds, what can you say that wasn't marked by history or the TV news, today?" Peace Ken from SF ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 14:05:21 EDT From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: Thank you In a message dated 9/11/01 11:04:59 AM Eastern Daylight Time, sharonbuffington@mediaone.net writes: > I am also concerned for our lister, Susan Guzzi because we have received > word that the Sears tower in Chicago has been attacked. That attack has > not really been confirmed so I am not sure about that. > > So far there have been no reports of any attacks in Chicago. This was probably a baseless rumor. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 14:53:02 -0400 From: "Victor Johnson" Subject: Lori Reason Does anyone know if Lori Reason was in New York or not? I've tried emailing her. Victor Victor Johnson http://www.cdbaby.com/victorjohnson "Velveteen rabbits and moonbeams, Come when you lay down your head. While you are sleeping, they kiss you and tell you, That you are the reason the sun lights the sky." Scarlet-V. Johnson ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 14:03:20 -0500 From: "Sharon L. Buffington" Subject: UN Peace Keeping Task force I received this missive from a friend of mine who is with the UN Peace Keeping Task Force in Kosovo. "Hello from Vushtrri... UN-F____ING BELIEVABLE. Just as I finalized instruction for today, my colleague, Berit, told me that she received a cell phone text message from Heiti...her house mate. The message said that a plane had crashed into the World Trade Center...and a helicopter crashed outside the Pentagon. When I left the class room, Sandy Higgs, an American, asked if I knew what was happening to my area...it's on CNN...everyone is in Steve's office...go in a watch. Well...I did. It is absolutely surreal...I saw the taped video coverage of the plane crashing into the second tower of the Trade Center...later, the tower crashing...then saw live coverage as the remaining tower seemed to implode. *sigh* Such carnage! My god...then heard that there were so far four commercial hijacked airplanes that were involved...one a 767 flight from Boston to N.Y...reports of a fifth hijacked plane heading in the direction of the Pentagon...with a fighter bomber sent to intercept. The anxiety builds. I empathize with the masses that are directly involved...and affected by this travesty. I stammer for words to adequately describe my emotional reactions...and cannot. I never thought that I would witness a terrorist attack of this magnitude on American soil. Those poor souls and their families....... The contingent meeting which was scheduled for 4:30 was canceled. Now, I ask...what better time to have a meeting...all Americans are present...and in utter shock at what just occured...feeling helpless and devastated. I pray that none of you are directly affected. May you all be safe from harm." I received this at 10:45 am this morning...so they did not have a lot of information. But you can see...the world now knows all about this and is most of the world is horrified. I wonder how the world trade center towers could crumble with just the impact from an airliner? Some friends and I were out working in my gardens and discussing this horrific attack...but we would come into the house to check the news. Finally we were too sick at heart to continue in the gardens and we have been watching the news ever since. Thank you all for updates on out New York and Washington DC friends. Here in Minnesota, all University classes canceled, things have ground to a halt with everyone glued to the radio or TV. I wish all of you love and peace......... Sharon Love and Peace........Sharon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 16:04:22 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: in shock i am speechless. please, be safe and let us know how and where you all are. i have cancelled all my appointments for the day to be able to follow the news. all my love and support, wallyK ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 15:16:14 -0400 From: Mags Subject: Re: in shock Apparently all US flights are now landed safely. The Prime Minister of Canada has expressed his utmost condolences to our American family and also that he has stepped up measures of security however, he would not say what they are. Pretty bloody scary and horrible. I continue to send up my prayers. Brian and I are holding on to one another pretty tight today. love, Mags Wally Kairuz wrote: > i am speechless. please, be safe and let us know how and where you all are. > i have cancelled all my appointments for the day to be able to follow the > news. > all my love and support, > wallyK - -- And this loving is a drawing close, a tuning in, an opening. Until one perfect moment; but how can it be expressed? A receiving, an enfolding as I cradle you in my arms. Within my heart, within my soul, You are my true love. --Lui Collins - --- _~O / /\_, ___/\ /_ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 12:29:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Susan Guzzi Subject: [none] To All Our Brothers & Sisters in the JMDL Community:First thanks to all those who have been good enough to pass on information on fellow listers in the disaster struck areas. So far the news has been good on that front. Secondly, as you probably know now the Sears tower was not attacked, but is probably a major target. I no longer work in the tower (71st fl), as of July. - THANK YOU! However, I am in the smaller but just as much of a target - Board of Trade/Board of Options exchange (the 2 buildings are connected). We were evacuated soon after I arrived at work (late as I was). The weight of no word seems fit for this catastrophe, it is horrific. But on this day, I would ask that all of us here, be not a Democrat or a Republican but a human. Let us all stand together in this crisis that shudders our souls and find the love that is usually in abundance here. No egos, no facts or knee-jerk reactions. These are the times when the real essence of community, love, kindness and compassion can exemplify what it means to be a good human. This includes our neighbors from Canada (of course), our family in England, New Zealand, Germany, Holland, Argentina, Israel and all the other countries represented here. This is the new day that will live in infamy, we will never forget 9-11-01. But let us remember it as the day we put down our verbal weaponry and and all gave one collective hug. There are some things more important than winning an argument - cause, you know ... nobody really does. I know this is mushy and soft soooo ... wait till next week when I get caught up in the mix again! Peace Peace Peace & a Whole Lotta Love Susan Guzzi Get email alerts & NEW webcam video instant messaging with Yahoo! Messenger http://im.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 20:41:05 +0100 From: colin Subject: Re: in shock all flights over Londond have been banned for the time being. the City of London(the financial area) has been evacuated. Mags wrote: > Apparently all US flights are now landed safely. The Prime Minister of Canada > has expressed his utmost condolences to our American family and also that he > has stepped up measures of security however, he would not say what they are. > Pretty bloody scary and horrible. > > I continue to send up my prayers. Brian and I are holding on to one another > pretty tight today. > > love, Mags > > Wally Kairuz wrote: > > > i am speechless. please, be safe and let us know how and where you all are. > > i have cancelled all my appointments for the day to be able to follow the > > news. > > all my love and support, > > wallyK > > -- > And this loving is a drawing close, > a tuning in, an opening. > Until one perfect moment; > but how can it be expressed? > A receiving, an enfolding > as I cradle you in my arms. > Within my heart, within my soul, > You are my true love. > > --Lui Collins > > --- > > _~O > / /\_, > ___/\ > /_ - -- bw colin DAK,BRO GC, 950i 940,860,864, 260, 890,Silver 830 and 270, Passap 6000 Duo80 colin@tantra-apso.com http://www.tantra-apso.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 20:59:09 +0100 From: "Garret" Subject: Re: John Cale Rufus version of Hallelujah is superb. John Cale Hallelujah on the soundtrack to Basquiat, the 1996 film that was mentioned this past week on the list. it is certainly a fine rendition of the song. Rufus version is very reminiscent of Cales version. the standout tracks on that album are Cale, Pj Harvey doing "is that all there is?", and Them with "it's all over now baby blue", in my opinion the finest version of this song i've heard, but then, it *is* the version that i heard first. i'm now doing everything i can to take my mind of off the events of the day. i sat in front of the tv for hours today, just talking it all in, and considering the ramifications of this tragedy. or at least attempting to. i'm still in shock, and i feel very helpless in the face of tragedy so large, so daunting. i spent the day vascillating (sp?) between shock, outrage, confusion, disbelief and tears. my little prayers are being offered. Love and Luck to all GARRET ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 20:44:04 +0100 (GMT Daylight Time) From: "colin" Subject: Re: not mushy at all, Susan. we are all family. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 20:45:27 +0100 From: colin Subject: debra Has anyone heard from Debra Shea yet? - -- bw colin DAK,BRO GC, 950i 940,860,864, 260, 890,Silver 830 and 270, Passap 6000 Duo80 colin@tantra-apso.com http://www.tantra-apso.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 12:40:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Don Rowe Subject: Re: in shock Thank God we've been able to hear such good news about our fellow list members who may have been in harm's way. My thoughts and prayers are with all of you. Here in St. Louis (and I imagine throughout the US) ... there is absolutely NOTHING in the skies that does not have feathers. I can't decide what's more disturbing -- the televised coverage or this silent, eerie local reality. Don Rowe ===== Visit me anytime at http://www.mp3.com/donrowe Get email alerts & NEW webcam video instant messaging with Yahoo! Messenger http://im.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 14:47:00 -0500 From: "Michael Paz" Subject: Re: NYC's Folks checking in Thanks for this info Chris. Michael - ----- Original Message ----- From: Chris Marshall To: Michael Paz Cc: Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 12:59 PM Subject: RE: NYC's Folks checking in > > Just got through to Patrick Leader's phone. He wasn't there, but is OK > and staying at his sister's. > > --Chris ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 08:06:04 +1200 From: "hell" Subject: Re: [Jonifest2001] Re: SEND UP YOUR PRAYERS ... Kate wrote: > did hell fly out yesterday? I've just arrived home - the first thing I did was get on the PC and check to see if everyone was OK. We taxied into Auckland Airport to be told there had been a "world event" and that someone would be on board soon to brief us. We then heard the horrific news - which completely threw me and everyone else on the plane, particularly since we were on a United Airlines flight. They also initially informed us that it was the Empire State Building that had been destroyed, and it wasn't until we got into the terminal that we heard the real facts. I'm now trying to take it all in - I knew coming home would be traumatic, but not in this way. I'm so glad that (so far) everyone on the list is OK, and hope all your families, friends and loved ones have not been harmed. Thinking of you all Hell ____________________________ "To have great poets, there must be great audiences too." - Walt Whitman hell@ihug.co.nz Hell's Personal Photo Page: http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hell/main/personal.htm Visit the NBLs (Natural Born Losers) at: http://www.nbls.co.nz ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 13:39:50 -0700 From: "Brenda J. Walker" Subject: Red Cross pleas for blood 0100,0100,0100If you are in the U.S. and able, go to a blood bank today and give blood. Even if you are not in New York or DC, the Red Cross is requesting that people give all across the nation to support the supply that is being sent into those cities. Red Cross 1-800-Help-NowVerdana ArialBrenda0100,0100,0100 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 16:48:29 -0400 From: dsk Subject: I'm OK Hi everyone, I was at my few-days-a-week pay-the-rent-job a few blocks from the World Trade Center. We'd heard the news about the planes. There were papers flying in the air outside the windows. Then the building I was in shook and lights flickered and there was instantly smoke outside the windows that was so thick we couldn't see the buildings ten feet away. I'm shaken, thoroughly shaken, have had a long trudge home after being held inside the building for hours because there was so much smoke and flying debris outside, and am about to sob all over my keyboard. 150,000 people visit those towers in the course of a day. Are all the other New Yorkers ok? Debra Shea M.Russell@iaea.org wrote: > > Two 737 passenger aircraft were hijacked and flown into the World Trade > Center just before 9 a.m. this morning. JMDL members in New York, please > let us know that you are okay. > > Marian > Vienna ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 16:52:36 -0400 From: dsk Subject: Re: Lori Reason I don't think so, Victor. She and I usually get together when she visits and I've not heard from her. Even if she was here, she would be at the UN during the day and that's midtown on the east side and far from the World Trade Center. The UN was evacuated this morning. Debra Shea Victor Johnson wrote: > > Does anyone know if Lori Reason was in New York or not? I've tried emailing > her. > > Victor > > Victor Johnson > http://www.cdbaby.com/victorjohnson > > "Velveteen rabbits and moonbeams, > Come when you lay down your head. > While you are sleeping, they kiss you and tell you, > That you are the reason the sun lights the sky." > Scarlet-V. Johnson ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2001 #281 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she?