From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2001 #278 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Monday, September 10 2001 Volume 2001 : Number 278 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Painting with worms [Nuriel Tobias ] Re: Painting with worms [colin ] Re: Painting with worms [Catherine McKay ] jonifest ["marianne marianne" ] Re: Painting with worms ["Sharon L. Buffington" ] Topsfield reprise- Marcels fatal accidental omission [MDESTE1@aol.com] Earthquake coming? [BigWaltinSF@aol.com] Re: Earthquake coming? [colin ] Re: Earthquake coming? [Michael Paz ] Sex Kills 2001 [Vince Lavieri ] Joni's personal life [Vince Lavieri ] The Drums that never let up... ["Blair Fraipont" ] RE: Earthquake coming? ["Deb Messling" ] Re: Earthquake coming? [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Earthquake coming? [colin ] Re: Earthquake coming? ["Sharon L. Buffington" ] Re: festpics (md) [MDESTE1@aol.com] RE: festpics (md) ["Chris Marshall" ] Re: Subject: some real Joni news [] Re: festpics [dsk ] born to take the highway [Nuriel Tobias ] Re: Earthquake coming? [dsk ] To the cult-A Jonifest loveletter (review) [scmorris ] Re: Earthquake coming? [BigWaltinSF@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2001 03:55:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Nuriel Tobias Subject: Painting with worms original threads taken from The jmdl (The joni mitchell drawing lessons) on july 2003. thread 1 - -------- subject: "joni's "abstract landscape #2" - --------------------------------------- bob: a very nice painting. rose: very nice. marcel: and it's red too. sharon: oh very red. bob: i liked the pink one better. rose: and the frame is much too thick. bob: this is too red. marcel: i'm not too sure the other one was pink. rose: but we all agree it's a very nice painting. sharon: oh very nice. bob: it was pink. if there was white on this one it would have been pink too. sharon: i must agree with bob. white and red make pink. rose: can you tell us more about red, bob? shane: i've just found a great link. go to - www.redcolour.com probably the best site about red on the net. sharon: thanks, shane. marcel: i think the other one was green. bob: no green on this one. rose: is it a cat? bob: no. it's a hill. thread 2 - -------- subject: "joni and cubism" - -------------------------- cathrerine: joni and cubism, anyone? jim: that's a very good question, catherine. therad 3 - -------- subject: "joni's abstract landscape #3" - --------------------------------------- bob: this one is much too red. rose: a solid frame though. marcel: not much white here. bob: too much red and far too many orange spots. marcel: i think it's purple. sharon: only if you mix it with red. rose: the orange spots? sharon: no. blue. marcel: the cat looks nice. bob: it's a tree. rose: a brown tree. bob: only when mixed with black. sharon: blue? bob: no. white. thread 4 - -------- subject: "jonifest 2003 - days of colours" - ------------------------------------------ kakki: the best jonifest ever. we all gathered in ashara's living room where we've been given chalks and crayons and a very nice pile of papers. our project was to paint a vase. wally gave us a breathtaking show where he did his own version of "yellow cats on abstract landscape" using only his left hand and we all had a good cry. dinner was superb. we all got drunk and had a long and nasty conversation about aquarelle. most of us couldn't sleep that night and we spent the late hours sharing memories from the "vangoghstock". then on sunrise we stripped les and set down for our traditional naked model sketching. it was our first chance to realy sense eachother's true colours and to find out we're all offwhite. a very special moment was when mr. yungenbraucher, joni's old art teacher from high school, gave us a phone call. guntehr was very pleased to hear that his favorit student is doing what he was alwyas hoping she would do - yellow cats and abstract landscapes. the fest ended with a salute to baize and ashara's promise of real oil and canvas next year. thread 5 - -------- subject: please help me to unsubscribe from the list! - ---------------------------------------------------- T-d'3x: due to the endless attacks i had to face on the subject of "black - colour or non-colour?" when it's well known that black is the shadow of all short waves of semi-light rays i demand to unsubscribe from the jmdl right now! thread 6 - -------- subject: joni's self cover of her "abstract kilauren on - --------------------------------------------------- red landscape" - -------------- bob: what a treat. one of my all times favorit paintings covered by the artsit herself. rose: how do you think she covered it, bob? bob: i think it's glue mixed with flour. thread 7 - -------- subject: "real abstract joni news" - ---------------------------------- les: the updated word on the billboard is that joni has decided to give up painting. the legendery artist who's changed the art world with masterpieces like "landscape #2" "landscape #3" and the unforgetable "landscape #14" has decided to spend all of her time and talent on her old love, knitting. joni syas that "there are so many nobodies around who think that just because they can draw a cat they should be treated like artists that it makes me sick. knitting is the only true form of art left in this planet. knitting sweaters for my cats and grandson is a pleasure not to mention that it's quite cold out here in october". the debut sweater will be released on the homeshoping network and is tytled "come in from the cold and don't forget to take you sweater the next time". thread 7 (subject: joni release "socks") is much too x-rated to be presented here at the moment. _____________________________________________________________ Free email, web pages, news, entertainment, weather and MORE! Check out -------------------------------> http://wowmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 09 Sep 2001 12:38:21 +0100 From: colin Subject: Re: Painting with worms Thank you. This was very amusing! I think a talent for finding humour in life is a blessing. bw colin ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2001 08:18:27 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Painting with worms - --- Nuriel Tobias wrote: > original threads taken from The jmdl (The joni > mitchell drawing lessons) on july 2003. > > Nuriel, this is priceless - I loved it! Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 09 Sep 2001 09:05:39 -0400 From: "marianne marianne" Subject: jonifest I wanted to say that I am glad that you jonifesters had a great time at the fest. It is good for the universe to have such a gathering (as I said to Sharon)... . . It spreads good will. It has to. . . seeings it all originated from Joni. I am thinking about going next year. Will you host it again Ashara? I don't mean to be presumptuous. I am just wondering how far I will have to travel from Rochester NY. Marianne _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 09 Sep 2001 08:32:13 -0500 From: "Sharon L. Buffington" Subject: Re: Painting with worms Dear Nuriel, whomever and where ever you are.........I thought you might like to see some really big worms...to use in your works. Peace.........Sharon www.thegreencommunity.org/giant_worms.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 09 Sep 2001 09:42:48 -0400 From: "marianne marianne" Subject: fire and rain I'm looking for answers. . . . the discussion about James Taylor's fire and rain led me to thinking about asking the list for advice.. . Anyone who responds can do so privately. . . as this is not directly related to Joni. I will try to be brief. Jerry interpreted "fire and rain" to mean extreme highs and lows. My question: My mom has had manic depression all of my life (they call it bipolar disorder now). The medications are not working for her and are causing her kidney damage. I rarely trust the medications. She is presently hopitalized, this time for 2 months. . . in order to have the possibility of her resuming a near normal life and to go home the psychiatrist (and I don't generally trust psychiatrists, usually I don't) is suggesting ECT (electro-convulsive shock treatment).. . I abhor the idea. She had them when I was a child and said that they helped her. . . I wont get into all of this now, but if anyone has any information or opinions, pro or con, please email me. I don't know what else to do. Thanks I trust your opinions. Marianne _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2001 11:32:41 EDT From: MDESTE1@aol.com Subject: Topsfield reprise- Marcels fatal accidental omission First of all many many thanks to all those who wrote me to give me props on my epiphany of a report on the Topsfield fest at Asharas. As I said I found after New Orleans that it really does the psyche well to write it all out and share it. Having said that the creation of it was an exercise not unlike running a marathon and it was quite exhaustive. As such it is inevitable that you either omit someone who was meaningful or something that was meaningful. With all the happenings and occurrences it is probably inevitable. In any event I want to include even at this late date something I should never have omitted and that was the appearance of Helen Adcock at this fest. This woman should serve as something beyond an inspiration to all of you out there who allowed this event to happen without you being there. First of all she traveled something like half way around the entire planet to attend. Second of all, reports emanating from the World Bank archives (which were heavily redacted) revealed that the government was concerned that they were too late in shutting down the lending window to prevent her from obtaining funds to make the trip to an amorphous musical event, a questionable use of the banks lending powers. Imagine that. She didnt take excess mad money and "blow it" on a frivolous vacation she incurred a significant liability to be with us. What a humbling realization. There were additional national security concerns in the military That she would successfully smuggle indigenous music out of the country thereby forwarning the world as per the next wave of Kiwi vibes that might muscle out hip hop and cause an influx of demand that could upset the currency and tourist markets there. Thirdly someone locally had loosed the rumor that she was carrying the design secrets for the New Zealand boat in the next Americas Cup defense in the form of a tape of backwards recorded Stephen Stills solos. And she still made it out of the country. Of course it did help that her trip included only LA in California and we all no there aint no boats in LA that can match the Kiwis. On the other hand it was the New England leg of her itinerary that had Team Kiwi rattled and Im sure those black helicopters that followed her every move in Topsfield were in constant touch with the powers back home. Was Atty Mae's the drop zone? We'll never know and can only guess they said. Now I have communicated with Hell from time to time on the list and I had really looked forward to meeting her and I was only disappointed during the fest by her failing to lead us all in reggae versions of Kiwi football songs during the ganja Line sessions. Steve Polifka take note. Was Bob Muller able to secret from her the lyrics to these songs or does he now have a Huuuuuge hole in his game. My only regret was as in many other cases failing to secure enough time to chat with her about the many interesting things she has posted all to our benefit on the list. I take it she has returned to LA where undoubtedly Kakki is taking her around to all the sites known only to the insider of insiders prior to her leaving our shores. Fare well Hell. Many happy returns. Lastly unfortunately, I did make one other huge boo boo and that was mispelling Topsfield in all the titles. My excuse is that for my entire life since 1958 I have had this baseball card collection (Topps) and it was total conditioned response. You may blame B.F.Skinner for my affliction. Ashara please accept my apologies. Marcel Deste ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2001 16:25:32 EDT From: BigWaltinSF@aol.com Subject: Earthquake coming? Hi everybody, I'm new to the list, so for all I know, the recent tenseness in some of the political discussions may come and go in cycles -- nicely balanced, thank you, by people recommending sites like wordscanheal and gratefulness -- but I joined the list to hear news of joni, and also thoroughly enjoy accounts and memories of the recent Jonifest; hope to make it next year, or whenever the next one comes. All this tension -- and the recent spate of mad gunmen here in California have made me afraid there may be an earthquake on the way. (Half kidding.) Speaking of Joni content: Okay, this is old discussion to most of you -- but did anyone else wince even slightly at Joni's choice of "Sex Kills"? I know I'm nitpicking, and she was mostly attacking commercialism and bad vibes and behaviors, but I assume she was referring to AIDS (what else?), and, well, we all know it isn't the sex which kills. Of course, I'm at a loss to come up with a way she could have fit any other wording into the song without ruining the flow. Still... Sorry if this was discussed to death seven years ago. Re: credits on the TtT album -- What exactly is a "guitar orchestra?" I vaguely remember reading an article somewhere in which JM said she had been introduced to/learned/picked up some kind of way of programming her various tunings into a computer so that she wouldn't have to continually retune her guitars manually. I assume that's what this refers to. Is it possibly responsible for the somewhat "muddy" sound on some of the songs on that album? (A meta question) Um, are we allowed to speculate/comment/ask questions about JM herself and her personal life? This may have been specified when I signed up, but I don't remember, and I've noticed it doesn't happen much, if at all, here at (hopefully, soon, again?) Merry Olde JMDL. That question having been posed, in the painting on the TtT album insert of the man with reflective glasses reading a newspaper or mag, a bowl in the foreground with a key, lightbulb and herbs, and a lightwsitch in the background -- is that the mysterious (to me) Don(ald) Freed (of "Facelift")? Speaking of the paintings on that album and on BSN, I do think she's getting better and better, or, I should say, more to my taste. Although her lyrics are sometimes chiding, I find her paintings peaceful, serene, sometimes playful on those albums. I don't always get her symbolism (as in the first painting I mentioned, with key, bulb, switch -- I know, shadows and light, and maybe change... someone help me here -- I like the visual arts, but am somewhat of a moron when trying to interpret them). Also, (really personal here) is JM still with Mr. Freed? Was he one of the guys seated next to Joni on that "Special Night" thingy last year? Also, was her daughter there -- one of the young women seated near her that night looked sorta like the one picture of Kilauren I've seen. In the title song on TtT, who are Sophia and Ana? Real people, or is she referring to mythology? (God, I'm lazy.) Did anyone else have trouble figuring out the rhythm pattern/time signature in "Stay in Touch", or was it just kinda free with lots of fermate? Still on TtT, that over-the-shoulder painting of herself with a deer in the foreground, people in the distance, opposite "My Best to You" -- could that have been a peace offering to her mother -- maybe it was/is one of her favorite songs? Is JM's mom still alive? Her dad? Again, my apologies if (a) y'all thrashed these things all out years ago, and (b) if we're not supposed to dig into Joni's personal life here. If the latter, ignore the offending questions/musings. Peace, love and siquomb to all, Walt ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 09 Sep 2001 21:46:24 +0100 From: colin Subject: Re: Earthquake coming? > Okay, this is old discussion to most of you -- but did anyone else wince even > slightly at Joni's choice of "Sex Kills"? I know I'm nitpicking, and she was > mostly attacking commercialism and bad vibes and behaviors, but I assume she > was referring to AIDS (what else?), and, well, we all know it isn't the sex > which kills. I have always assumed this is what she meant tho of course, in this context, sex kills has always been true. Prior to the discovery of penicillin 64000 people died from syphilis per year, just in the UK. Okay, I get the point that it isn't sex itself that kills but the virus or bug one get get from having sex. However, i think many people have this idea that sex kills in their psych and with good reason. It's seems to be a bit like saying that it isn't the jump off that tall building that killed you but the ground you hit. Technically this correct-the jump didn't harm you at all. I have never had to practise safe sex. If was single again, i don't think i'd have sex ever again. For a variety of reasons, lack of spontaneity, fear of the damn condom breaking, and......well you get the idea! Paranoid about it? yes, of course. bw colin ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 09 Sep 2001 16:01:27 -0700 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: Earthquake coming? Walt- The only question I am qualified to answer is this one. This topic has been beaten to death, but one I continue to love. She discovered the VG-8 before this project and actually played it here in New Orleans for the first time at the Jazz Fest. It is a fantastic box that kept our Joan touring long after she might have given up the strings for brushes. I am currently having a love hate relationship with my VG-8 (s) and am embrassing the idea of buying a new Garrison guitar with reinforcement built in the body, so I can learn how to do the tunings on the fly the way so many listers do so well. There is nothing like the sound eminating right from your lap as opposed to a speaker. If you wwant to learn more about the VG-8 and what it does you can check out the VG-8 web site and you can do a thread search in the archives to see alot of the past discussion on the topic. Peace Michael on 9/9/01 1:25 PM, BigWaltinSF@aol.com at BigWaltinSF@aol.com wrote: > > Re: credits on the TtT album -- What exactly is a "guitar orchestra?" I > vaguely remember reading an article somewhere in which JM said she had been > introduced to/learned/picked up some kind of way of programming her various > tunings into a computer so that she wouldn't have to continually retune her > guitars manually. I assume that's what this refers to. Is it possibly > responsible for the somewhat "muddy" sound on some of the songs on that album? ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 09 Sep 2001 16:59:32 -0400 From: Vince Lavieri Subject: Sex Kills 2001 BigWaltinSF@aol.com wrote: > Okay, this is old discussion to most of you -- but did anyone else wince even > slightly at Joni's choice of "Sex Kills"? No. > I know I'm nitpicking, and she was > mostly attacking commercialism and bad vibes and behaviors, but I assume she > was referring to AIDS (what else?), I don't think that she was referring to AIDS at all. > and, well, we all know it isn't the sex > which kills. Of course, I'm at a loss to come up with a way she could have > fit any other wording into the song without ruining the flow. Still... > Sorry if this was discussed to death seven years ago. > With every new discussion of a topic we always learn new things and get new insights! So we welcome new discussions of previously discussed topics; for starters, we have not had your insights yet! I probably change my understanding and interpretation of the song once a year, but... the song is about justice (just ice) and the spoiling of the environment (Exxon) and the line immediately preceding "sex kills" is "sex sells everything". The words go on to talk about the disconnect of people from their own lives and covers a host of society's ills, including kids packing guns to school. At the time of Columbine, this song got a lot of play in here - don't know if I would ever want to go back and read that myriad of threads again or not, as it was emotional, but if you can locate that thread, I'd recommend them. Sex sells everything and distracts us from what is important: justice, environment, youth, etc. etc. etc. And as a gay man I am surely convinced that the gay community is as guilty as the straight community of being willingly distracted by sex instead of dealing with real life. Rolling Stone has published some brilliant articles on gun violence in schools and the causes thereof, but to sell the magazine, the cover will almost always feature some nearly naked female singer in buff shape, and I suspect that the RS stories on violence in our culture are among the less well read by its readers. And my latest issues of OUT are feature nearly naked men in buff shape and what is the hottest new thing in gay culture but very few follow-ups to the Exxon Valdez oil spill (a key feature of this song) or anything on oil drilling in the Alaskan wilderness. The commercialization of sex for everything in our society has distracted us from dealing with that which is real, Joni says IMHO, and that is why it is of my favorite songs by Joni ever. Because I think she is right on here. And she says that sex sells everything, sex kills, not as a judgment but as a lament. I also think that sex can kill. AIDS is a virus, stds are viruses, and these happen in the imperfections of the physical world in which we live. As you are new to the list (and a belated welcome by the way!) when you see my signature, please do not misunderstand. I am far, far from some right wing zealot, please know that. In my ministry (and life) I have encountered a number of people who have used sex as a weapon, and who have taken absolutely foolhardy risks (with sex, drugs, alcohol, whatever) that have killed, in the search for the momentary thrill. Sex sells everything. As I write this, I am watching the US Open, Sampras vs Hewitt (Hewitt is damned cute too) and Mass Mutual insurance just used a swimming sperm to sell their financial services. Again, welcome! I am sorry that I have not greeted you sooner! (the Rev) Vince http://www.pathwaynet.com/stmatthias ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 09 Sep 2001 17:09:34 -0400 From: Vince Lavieri Subject: Joni's personal life BigWaltinSF@aol.com wrote: > > > (A meta question) Um, are we allowed to speculate/comment/ask questions about > JM herself and her personal life? This may have been specified when I signed > up, but I don't remember, and I've noticed it doesn't happen much, if at all, > here at (hopefully, soon, again?) Merry Olde JMDL. > I didn't see this the first time around - I laughed at loud when I read it! We've had any number of discussions about Joni's life, whether we approved of who she dated or married (Larry Klein tends to get raked over the coals - I bet he or his alter ego will respond soon!!!!!), and many fascinating insights into Joni's life as it set the context for here music from people who have visited places where Joni lived and brought us insights into the development of the artist in her context. I am vastly understanding the serious discussions about Joni's personal life for how it impacted on some of her very personal music - and as with any artist, these are fair questions that need be discussed. Also, some here were a part of Joni's reunion with her daughter and others know that that story and tell it better than I so I will leave that for others - but discuss her life? Hell, we've jumped right into it! And Joni and us are the better for it! Wally Breese, the founder of the Joni homepage, is no longer with us. Joni extended extraordinary kindness to that extraordinary gentle man in the last months of Wally's life and the accounts of Wally's weekend with Joni in her home a few months prior to his death are very moving, and I can't find those right off, so if someone has the direct URL, could you please post it as I have lost it. (the Rev) Vince ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 09 Sep 2001 17:38:12 -0400 From: "Blair Fraipont" Subject: The Drums that never let up... The other night I went to a play called, "TallBoy Walking" which was produced in a tiny theater near 42nd street. The play was well-received and I enjoyed some of its social commenttary, but what got me, was the opening music which they had used was the DRums OF Burundi!! i was so excited. After the play I approached the Director and asked him where he had found the music. He said he found it on a Starbucks compilation cd. I also recall watching the INdependant film Channel or Sundance one time and seeing a movie where they had used the Drum track as well. Blair _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2001 17:43:58 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Earthquake coming? - --- BigWaltinSF@aol.com wrote: > Hi everybody, > > I'm new to the list, so for all I know, the recent > tenseness in some of the > political discussions may come and go in cycles -- > nicely balanced, thank > you, by people recommending sites like wordscanheal > and gratefulness -- but I > joined the list to hear news of joni... Walt, you're quite right. It does go in cycles and no one can predict when the proverbial will hit the fan (some would call that *exciting* ;) ) Feel free to ask your Joni-questions - sometimes we forget, that's why we're here. Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2001 17:46:14 -0400 From: "Deb Messling" Subject: RE: Earthquake coming? My take on "Sex Kills" is that sex is one other natural blessing that has been transformed, these days, into a curse - like the "hostile sun beating down," which used to be the sun pouring down like butterscotch. As you point out, she's mistaken if she believes it is literally sex that kills, but I would grant her artistic license on this one. > (A meta question) Um, are we allowed to speculate/comment/ask > questions about > JM herself and her personal life? Yes - we're not above gossip! > the man with reflective glasses reading a newspaper or mag, a bowl in the > foreground with a key, lightbulb and herbs, and a lightwsitch in the > background -- is that the mysterious (to me) Don(ald) Freed (of > "Facelift")? Doesn't the title of that painting refer to the bombing of Dresden, or am I thinking of another one? > In the title song on TtT, who are Sophia and Ana? Real people, or is she > referring to mythology? (God, I'm lazy.) Sophia was a reference to Sophia Loren, but Joni also realized that "Sophia" means wisdom. I believe it was Kakki who solved the "Ana" mystery. She is Wayne Shorter's wife, who died in the TWA crash off New York a few years back. > Still on TtT, that over-the-shoulder painting of herself with a > deer in the > foreground, people in the distance, opposite "My Best to You" -- > could that > have been a peace offering to her mother -- maybe it was/is one of her > favorite songs? Is JM's mom still alive? Her dad? Her parents were still alive as of last year's exhibition at the Mendel, and I haven't heard any other news since. That's an interesting idea about "My Best to You" being intended for her mom. I sort of thought of it as directed at US, the audience, as a good-bye. - ----------------------------------- Deb Messling =^..^= - ----------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2001 18:11:11 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Earthquake coming? << Sorry if this was discussed to death seven years ago.>> Walt, let me also chime in here and say that this is nothing to apologize for. Like Vince said, we haven't heard YOUR thoughts so all topics become as new. <<-- is that the mysterious (to me) Don(ald) Freed (of "Facelift")? >> Yes it is, and they are no longer "an item". << Was he one of the guys seated next to Joni on that "Special Night" thingy last year? Also, was her daughter there -- one of the young women seated near her that night looked sorta like the one picture of Kilauren I've seen.>> I believe that Don WAS there, but the lady you're thinking is Kilauren is Diana Krall (who has a new CD coming out this month, btw...) <> Sophia Loren had a quote about fame being like riding a tiger, and that's what Joni was referencing. I forget if we ever discussed who Ana was. << Still on TtT, that over-the-shoulder painting of herself with a deer in the foreground, people in the distance, opposite "My Best to You" -- could that have been a peace offering to her mother -- maybe it was/is one of her favorite songs? Is JM's mom still alive? Her dad?>> Both Bill & Myrtle Anderson are alive. They were with her last year at the Mendel exhibit, and some of that footage is available on the JMDL video tree. You can tell they are very proud of her. She hasn't said that "My Best To You" was a fave of her folks, but I can't help but think that it was, along with "Cool Water", the other Sons of the Pioneers song she did. Thanks for bringing things back to home base. Bob NP: Ani Difranco, "Garden of Simple" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 09 Sep 2001 23:24:39 +0100 From: colin Subject: Re: Earthquake coming? Deb Messling wrote: > My take on "Sex Kills" is that sex is one other natural blessing that has > been transformed, these days, into a curse - I am not sure what you mean here, but sex has always been dangerous. It was only for short period in mdoern times with the use of antibitotics that sex ceased to be a danger-so we wrongly thought. Not just HIV but cervical cancer, chlamidia and more i should think. Sex has always always been risky-even if no infections, the rsulting pregancy for het sex could kill and actually still does. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 09 Sep 2001 17:23:29 -0500 From: "Sharon L. Buffington" Subject: Re: Earthquake coming? I always thought Joni meant when you enter into a sexual relationship...you kill your 'relationship'... Love and peace......Sharon colin wrote: > > Deb Messling wrote: > > > My take on "Sex Kills" is that sex is one other natural blessing that has > > been transformed, these days, into a curse - > > I am not sure what you mean here, but sex has always been dangerous. It was only > for short period in mdoern times with the use of antibitotics that sex ceased to > be a danger-so we wrongly thought. Not just HIV but cervical cancer, chlamidia > and more i should think. > Sex has always always been risky-even if no infections, the rsulting pregancy > for het sex could kill and actually still does. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2001 18:19:33 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Volume 21 Winners!! For the first time we have two winners in the Covers contest...will Mr. Blair Fraipont and Mr. Brian Symes please come up and accept their awards? Probably would be a better idea for youse guys to just e-mail me a mailing address, and I'll get your FREE copies of Covers, Volume 21 in the mail this week. Cangrats, and thanks to ALL who gave it a shot. Lots of guesses this time 'round, which made me happy. If you didn't win, but want a copy, let me know and we'll make it happen. BTW, my song was inspired by the Jonifest. I chose "Not To Blame" from Turbulent Indigo as Les Ross' performance was one of the most heartfelt & moving performances I've ever seen. Bob NP: Ani, "Marrow" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 09 Sep 2001 17:29:05 -0500 From: "Sharon L. Buffington" Subject: Re: Earthquake coming? I meant to say more about this....that sex can end a cultural relationship...a working relationship...a familial relationship...and certainly a relationship between two adults....... "Sharon L. Buffington" wrote: > > I always thought Joni meant when you enter into a sexual > relationship...you kill your 'relationship'... > > Love and peace......Sharon > > colin wrote: > > > > Deb Messling wrote: > > > > > My take on "Sex Kills" is that sex is one other natural blessing that has > > > been transformed, these days, into a curse - > > > > I am not sure what you mean here, but sex has always been dangerous. It was only > > for short period in mdoern times with the use of antibitotics that sex ceased to > > be a danger-so we wrongly thought. Not just HIV but cervical cancer, chlamidia > > and more i should think. > > Sex has always always been risky-even if no infections, the rsulting pregancy > > for het sex could kill and actually still does. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 09 Sep 2001 17:41:41 -0500 From: "Sharon L. Buffington" Subject: Re: Sex Kills 2001 right on Vince!!! Vince Lavieri wrote: > > BigWaltinSF@aol.com wrote: > > > Okay, this is old discussion to most of you -- but did anyone else wince even > > slightly at Joni's choice of "Sex Kills"? > > No. > > > I know I'm nitpicking, and she was > > mostly attacking commercialism and bad vibes and behaviors, but I assume she > > was referring to AIDS (what else?), > > I don't think that she was referring to AIDS at all. > > > and, well, we all know it isn't the sex > > which kills. Of course, I'm at a loss to come up with a way she could have > > fit any other wording into the song without ruining the flow. Still... > > Sorry if this was discussed to death seven years ago. > > > > With every new discussion of a topic we always learn new things and get new > insights! So we welcome new discussions of previously discussed topics; for > starters, we have not had your insights yet! > > I probably change my understanding and interpretation of the song once a year, > but... > > the song is about justice (just ice) and the spoiling of the environment (Exxon) > and the line immediately preceding "sex kills" is "sex sells everything". > > The words go on to talk about the disconnect of people from their own lives and > covers a host of society's ills, including kids packing guns to school. At the > time of Columbine, this song got a lot of play in here - don't know if I would > ever want to go back and read that myriad of threads again or not, as it was > emotional, but if you can locate that thread, I'd recommend them. > > Sex sells everything and distracts us from what is important: justice, > environment, youth, etc. etc. etc. And as a gay man I am surely convinced that > the gay community is as guilty as the straight community of being willingly > distracted by sex instead of dealing with real life. Rolling Stone has published > some brilliant articles on gun violence in schools and the causes thereof, but to > sell the magazine, the cover will almost always feature some nearly naked female > singer in buff shape, and I suspect that the RS stories on violence in our > culture are among the less well read by its readers. And my latest issues of OUT > are feature nearly naked men in buff shape and what is the hottest new thing in > gay culture but very few follow-ups to the Exxon Valdez oil spill (a key feature > of this song) or anything on oil drilling in the Alaskan wilderness. > > The commercialization of sex for everything in our society has distracted us from > dealing with that which is real, Joni says IMHO, and that is why it is of my > favorite songs by Joni ever. Because I think she is right on here. And she says > that sex sells everything, sex kills, not as a judgment but as a lament. > > I also think that sex can kill. AIDS is a virus, stds are viruses, and these > happen in the imperfections of the physical world in which we live. As you are > new to the list (and a belated welcome by the way!) when you see my signature, > please do not misunderstand. I am far, far from some right wing zealot, please > know that. In my ministry (and life) I have encountered a number of people who > have used sex as a weapon, and who have taken absolutely foolhardy risks (with > sex, drugs, alcohol, whatever) that have killed, in the search for the momentary > thrill. > > Sex sells everything. As I write this, I am watching the US Open, Sampras vs > Hewitt (Hewitt is damned cute too) and Mass Mutual insurance just used a swimming > sperm to sell their financial services. > > Again, welcome! I am sorry that I have not greeted you sooner! > > (the Rev) Vince > > http://www.pathwaynet.com/stmatthias ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 00:19:50 +0100 From: colin Subject: festpics weird or what? Willy the shake-well I always thought he was Malyasian! Either he isn't or the food made him pale...... Rose-don't take this wrong but I always thought you were much older! Kate-you look just as I assumed you'd look. Brian you have lost weight and Mags has lost hair. Kakki-you too look like you lost weight. - -- bw colin DAK,BRO GC, 950i 940,860,864, 260, 890,Silver 830 and 270, Passap 6000 Duo80 colin@tantra-apso.com http://www.tantra-apso.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2001 19:58:25 EDT From: MDESTE1@aol.com Subject: Re: festpics (md) In a message dated 9/9/01 4:10:48 PM Pacific Daylight Time, colin@tantra-apso.com writes: << weird or what? Willy the shake-well I always thought he was Malyasian! Either he isn't or the food made him pale...... Rose-don't take this wrong but I always thought you were much older! Kate-you look just as I assumed you'd look. Brian you have lost weight and Mags has lost hair. Kakki-you too look like you lost weight. >> Colin is just loaded with compliments as usual. It must be dark in there where his head is located. Marcel. who has been forcefiully begged to not send anything to Mr. Personality. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 01:22:18 +0100 From: "Chris Marshall" Subject: RE: festpics (md) Colin:- > weird or what? > > Willy the shake-well I always thought he was Malyasian! Either he isn't > or the food made him pale...... > > Rose-don't take this wrong but I always thought you were much older! > > Kate-you look just as I assumed you'd look. > > Brian you have lost weight and Mags has lost hair. > > Kakki-you too look like you lost weight. >> I didn't see anything insulting here. In fact, I'd be thrilled to be told I'd lost weight, and Mags has indeed chopped lots of hair off. So...? Marcel:- > Colin is just loaded with compliments as usual. It must be dark in there > where his head is located. Mmm, that's insulting. > Marcel. who has been forcefiully begged to not send anything to Mr. > Personality. Forcefully? Repeatedly is closer to the truth, surely? Me? I didn't think you were as good a musician as you are. And you looked pretty much as I expected. So, er, what's the big deal? - --Chris ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 01:21:51 +0100 From: Subject: Re: Subject: some real Joni news Randy Remote wrote > > It seems like kind of a contradiction to give the kid a lecture about > conformity in his music, which he rightly points out she has never > even heard, and then use the worst of the commercial music world > as an excuse not to create something original herself. It seems to me like she gave the kid some good advice. If his main concerns are business related and about having a good pension built up by the time he's 48, maybe he'd be better off working at something else and just wearing the punk clothes at weekends.. A lot of these bands put on the rock 'n roll uniform but don't bother too much about creating anything original musically. I was watching an MTV awards yesterday and one of these ridiculous bands came up with blood splattered on their faces and clothes and started thanking their manager, accountant, record company etc. Very edgy and rebellious.. Philip NP Bjork - Vespertine ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 09 Sep 2001 22:04:48 -0400 From: dsk Subject: Re: festpics MDESTE1@aol.com wrote: > > Colin is just loaded with compliments as usual. It must be dark in there > where his head is located. There you go again, describing yourself while trying to insult someone else. > Marcel. who has been forcefiully begged to not send anything to Mr. > Personality. Begged? Really? Looked to me like a definite and polite request, another one, after many such requests that you've chosen to ignore. I'm amazed Colin can still be polite about it. You don't deserve it. Debra Shea ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2001 19:38:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Nuriel Tobias Subject: born to take the highway can anyone tell me more about this joni song? makes me wish then was now. _____________________________________________________________ Free email, web pages, news, entertainment, weather and MORE! Check out -------------------------------> http://wowmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 09 Sep 2001 23:17:22 -0400 From: dsk Subject: Re: Earthquake coming? SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: > > <<-- is that the mysterious (to me) Don(ald) Freed (of "Facelift")? >> > > Yes it is, and they are no longer "an item". Really? That's too bad. I thought they weren't for a while but then they were again. During the TNT Tribute, it was so sweet to see such a tough looking guy crying his eyes out (and trying to not be obvious about it) when they were showing all the pictures of "early" Joni, and touching too that Joni was shaking him a little like she didn't quite know how to help him. Such confusion is so real. Debra Shea ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 09 Sep 2001 22:59:07 -0600 From: scmorris Subject: To the cult-A Jonifest loveletter (review) Well, it's been a week since Jonifest, and now that I've fully digested all the goings on of that weekend: Here goes.... Laurie Stewart- The first person I met of course..you picked me up!!! And thank goodness you did!!! otherwise I would have been lost and alone in the big city!!! Thanks for sacrificing a 3 day weekend to be our chauffer! Mags and Brian- The best welcoming committee one could ever ask for. You were there when I first arrived and didn't know what to do. Thanks for always being friendly and open. Ashara Stansfield-What an inspiration you are to me!!! Its hell just planning a dinner party for me, how you organized a 3 day party is beyond me. On top of all that, you managed to perform a beautiful Spanish? song and deal with family crises at the same time. I can tell you are one of those women I aspire to be who has the family, the music, and the organization skills. If you ever need anything when you come to Denver, just let me know. Mr. Bob Muller- Wow, I'm so glad you encouraged me to come. It was great to finally meet you in person and see the face behind the lightning fast e-mail responses. On top of all this, your charming personality makes you a wonderful emcee. Yael- I too am so sorry that I didn't get to say goodbye. In you I found a kindred Toriphile. I had such a good time talking to you and listening to your performance. We must keep in touch!!! Gregg Cagno- I love your version of All I Want...you made me feel exactly like Joni does when I'm driving down an open stretch of highway and the world lies before me. What great stage prescence and energy you possess. Plus..thanks for letting me pick your brain about your music industry history/experience. John Van Tiel- What a kind, generous spirit you are. From the very beginning you made yourself known with your chocolate, your cheese, (what else could a woman want?) and your pictures. Claudia- Sorry I didn't get to talk to you as much as I would have liked, but from just looking at you I can see this ethereal inner beauty. I'm sure this stems from who you are but also from the fact that you are completely in love. Happiness just oozes from your pores. And how could I forget those performances...you are truly an accomplished musician. Rose- What a great roomate you were and thanks thanks for all the rides in your vehicle. Sorry to hear about your recent troubles, but in my own experiences I have found that times of suffering have made all the joys that much sweeter. I know this is so easy for me to say, but as Joseph Campbell says, The meaning of life is suffering, and without it where would our strength of character come from? Less Ross- A magnetic stage prescence if ever there was one. I had a great time hanging with you that first night in Ashara's dining room. Willy the Shake- I see true passion in your playing. You just close your eyes and its you and your guitar and a voice that sings from the bottom of your soul. Plus there's a hidden encyclopedia of Joni music in that brain of yours...aaahhh...nothing like true dedication. Steve Polifka- Well, I think both of us realized we have different skills at the piano and the wonderful thing is we appreciate each other for them. Its pure bliss for you when you play..i can tell. Patrick- Your funny jokes and witicisms had me laughing the whole time. So tell me where is that Tori/Joni/Tear In Your Hand/Case of You comparison you were talking about. I would love to read it, and no I will never forget...I'm an obsessed Tori fan. Jeff- Oh, I can tell you really love Joni, and how inspired you are by her. I think you're an awesome guitar player. I get the feeling that what you do are exact transcriptions from recordings which is awesome considering you are listening 'through' her vocals. Kay Ashley- Wonderful performance, wonderful original songs, and a wonderful wit. Jim L.- A welcoming and giving soul. Climbing ladders, rushing to film stores all in pursuit of the perfect photo opp. So maybe you didn't perform this year, but its clear that you have a true love in photography. Alison- Great roommate, you also made me feel very welcome. Maggie- Incredible organizational skills!!! But also a person who took the time to answer questions, point me in the right direction, and cook wonderful food. Thanks so much. Kate Bennett and Jeff- Tremendously enjoyed listening to the two of you. How lucky you both are to share a mutual love of music AND Joni!!! Victor- Most prolific composer, you really have a knack for it!!! Fun to hear the intimate performances between you, Kate, and Jeff on Sunday night. Paz-Hey there, how could I have performed without your keyboard? Thanks for bringing it and playing Past the Mission. Les I. - Well, you know I have to say it...Without you where would we all be? Don't ever underestimate the power of what you or one person can do! So you started this JMDL list thing, but it brought such wonderful people together who value and cherish each other. So nice to know there is another Joni fan in Colorado (hmmm...we must be the only ones.) There is a great musician lurking inside you, one of these days its going to bust out and hog the Belleville Church stage. Well, everyone, for a newbie and a lurker, I had a great time. Jonifest was definitely more than I expected it to be. For any of you that I missed thanking, well, thank you. As a person majoring in music it was awesome to go someplace where I could express myself without cringing inside every time I performed waiting for the axe to fall as the criticisms came flying. There was no criticism, just acceptance and love and it was so refreshing. I lose sight of that so often in my quest to be the best. But for now, its back to lurkdom and competition while I finish one more year at school. Thanks for so many great memories, and I hope to be back next year. Stephanie "Follow your bliss and don't be afraid, and doors will open where you didn't know they were going to be." -Joseph Campbell ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 01:42:27 EDT From: BigWaltinSF@aol.com Subject: Re: Earthquake coming? Bob, Thanks so much for you rspecific replies! My face is red re: the Kilauren Gibb/Diana Krall mixup. I've got five of DK's albums, but failed to recognize her -- even though she also gave one of the more shattering performances of the evening -- still brings me to tears after many viewings. So pleased to hear that Joni's parent's are both alive -- nice to think of four generations in her family, all alive -- and to hear that they are visibly proud of her. While I've got you on the line, what is the name of the author of the JM bio "Shadows and Light", and what year did it come out? I've had a little trouble finding it, but I haven't hit the local Barnes & Noble yet. Oh, and wasn't there a book just about her art? Thanks again Bob -- you amaze me with your knowledge of (apparently) all things Joni specifically, and musical in general -- and your willingness to share. Peace, Walt ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2001 #278 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she?