From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2001 #263 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Tuesday, August 28 2001 Volume 2001 : Number 263 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Today in Joni History: August 27 [les@jmdl.com] Today's Articles: August 27 [les@jmdl.com] Re: Excitement [colin ] Tr:Middle East: of interest to us all - ["Laurent Olszer" ] Tr: Fw: a letter from israel ["Laurent Olszer" ] new jimdlers ["shane mattison" ] Re: A Birthday Story [Catherine McKay ] Re: Such a gracious welcome! [Catherine McKay ] Re: new member, new input-output-electricity [Catherine McKay ] Re: Tr: Fw: a letter from israel [Phyliss Ward ] Randy Brecker / Michael Brecker ? Joni Trivia ["brian symes" ] Re: John Kelly ["Kakki" ] In Praise of TI [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Gattaca (md) [MDESTE1@aol.com] Re: Gattaca (md) [Michael Paz ] Old news, but I'm new: musings and q's about joni's appearances, etc> [B] rickie lee ["Dolphie Bush" ] Re: Old news, but I'm new: musings and q's about joni's appearances, etc> [Catherine McKay [BigWaltinSF] Re: rickie lee [Merk54@aol.com] Re: Old news, but I'm new: musings and q's about joni's appearances, etc> [BigWaltinSF@aol] Re: new member, new input-output-electricity [dsk Subject: Re: Excitement > If you go to Colin's web > site you can see some of his previous handiwork. ahh um....if you go to my website you will se pics of my dogs not my knitwear! bw colin ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 13:29:53 +0100 From: "Laurent Olszer" Subject: Tr:Middle East: of interest to us all - A few facts that were missing in the former discussions about the Middle East: Sorry I'm late on this but I was away. Objet : Fwd: of interest to us all - In a message dated 10/25/2000 10:11:10 AM Pacific Daylight Time, Dr Morley writes: << > > HERE'S THE BRIEF FACTS ON THE ISRAELI CONFLICT TODAY... > (takes 1.5 mins to read) It makes sense and it's not slanted. Jew and > non-Jew it doesn't matter. Thank You. > > Nationhood and Jerusalem > > Israel became a nation in 1312 B.C.E., two thousand years before the rise of Islam. > > Arab refugees in Israel began identifying themselves as part of a > Palestinian people in 1967, two decades after the establishment of the modern State of Israel. > > Since the Jewish conquest in 1272 B.C.E. the Jews have had dominion over the land for one thousand years with a continuous presence in the land for the > past 3,300 years. The only Arab dominion since the conquest in 635 > C.E. lasted no more than 22 years. > > For over 3,300 years, Jerusalem has been the Jewish capital. Jerusalem has never been the capital of any Arab or Muslim entity. Even when the > Jordanians occupied Jerusalem, they never sought to make it their capital, > and Arab leaders did not come to visit. > > Jerusalem is mentioned over 700 times in Tanach, the Jewish Holy Scriptures. > Jerusalem is not mentioned once in the Koran. > > King David founded the city of Jerusalem. Mohammed never came to Jerusalem. > > Jews pray facing Jerusalem. Muslims pray with their backs toward Jerusalem. > > Arab and Jewish Refugees > > In 1948 the Arab refugees were encouraged to leave Israel by Arab leaders > promising to purge the land of Jews. Sixty-eight percent left without ever seeing an Israeli soldier. The Jewish refugees were forced to flee from Arab lands due to Arab brutality, persecution and pogroms. > > The number of Arab refugees who left Israel in 1948 is estimated to be > around 630,000. The number of Jewish refugees from Arab lands is > estimated to be the same. > > Arab refugees were intentionally not absorbed or integrated into the Arab > lands to which they fled, despite the vast Arab territory. Out of the > 100,000,000 refugees since World War II, theirs is the only refugee group in the world that has never been absorbed or integrated into their own peoples' lands. Jewish refugees were completely absorbed into Israel, a > country no larger than the state of New Jersey. > > The Arab - Israeli Conflict > > The Arabs are represented by eight separate nations, not including the > Palestinians.There is only one Jewish nation. > > The Arab nations initiated all five wars and lost. Israel defended itself each time and won. > > The PLO's Charter still calls for the destruction of the State of > Israel. Israel has given the Palestinians most of the West Bank land, autonomy under the Palestinian Authority, and has supplied them with weapons. > > Under Jordanian rule, Jewish holy sites were desecrated and the Jews were > denied access to places of worship. Under Israeli rule, all Muslim and > Christian sites have been preserved and made accessible to people of all > faiths. > > The U.N. Record on Israel and the Arabs > > Of the 175 Security Council resolutions passed before 1990, 97 were > directed against Israel. > > Of the 690 General Assembly resolutions voted on before 1990, 429 were > directed against Israel. > > The U.N was silent while 58 Jerusalem Synagogues were destroyed by the > Jordanians. > > The U.N. was silent while the Jordanians systematically desecrated the > ancient Jewish cemetery on the Mount of Olives. > > The U.N. was silent while the Jordanians enforced an apartheid-like policy of preventing Jews from visiting the Temple Mount and the Western Wall. > >These are incredible times. We have to ask what our role should be. > What will we tell our grandchildren we did when there was a turning point in Jewish destiny, an opportunity to make a difference. > > Start now. Send this to 20 other people you know and ask them to send it to twenty others. Jew and non-Jew it doesn't matter. The truth and the cause of peace are universal values we all share. >> > Sharon Faulkner 732 Fairmount Avenue Chatham, New Jersey 07928-1155 USA Tel. (973)-701-1033 Fax. (973)-701-0462 >> ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 08:11:03 -0600 From: "shane mattison" Subject: A Birthday Story neat story, ashara...synchronicity was a happenin' to you and you got a great birthday present didn't you? i hope you have many more too... sorry i can't be with you at jonifest...struggling artist... shane ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 16:11:35 +0100 From: "Laurent Olszer" Subject: Tr: Fw: a letter from israel > > The following was received from an unknown source in Israel. It is a > > quick read, and sends a very strong message that is inherent in the > > attitudes and approaches of what is now the majority in Israel. > > > > > > > > Dear World, > > > > I understand that you are upset over us, here in Israel. Indeed, it > > appears that you are quite upset, even angry. (Outraged?) Indeed, > > every few years you seem to became upset over us. > > > > Today, it is the "brutal repression of the Palestinians;" yesterday, it > > was Lebanon; before that it was the bombing of the nuclear reactor in > > Baghdad and the Yom Kippur War and the Sinai campaign. It appears that > > Jews who triumph and who, therefore, live, upset you most > > extraordinarily. > > > > Of course, dear world, long before there was an Israel, we - the Jewish > > people - upset you. We upset a German people who elected a Hitler > > and we upset an Austrian people who cheered his entry into Vienna and we > > upset a whole slew of Slavic nations - Poles, Lithuanians, > > Ukrainians, Russians, Hungarians, Romanians and others. > > > > And we go back a long, long way in the history of world "upset." We > > upset the Cossacks of Chmielnicki who massacred tens of thousands of > > us in 1648-49; we upset the Crusaders who, on their way to liberate the > > Holy Land, were so upset at Jews that they slaughtered untold numbers of us. > > > > We upset for centuries, a Roman Catholic Church that did its best to > define our relationship through Inquisitions, and we upset the arch- > > enemy of the Church, Martin Luther, who, in his call to burn the > synagogues and the Jews within them, showed an admirable Christian ecumenical spirit. > > > > And it is because we became so upset over upsetting you, dear world, > > that we decided to leave you - in a manner of speaking - and establish > > a Jewish State. The reasoning was that living in close contact with you, > > as resident-strangers in the various countries that comprise you, we upset > > you, irritate you, disturb you. What better notion, then, than to leave you and > > thus love you - and have you love us? And so we decided to come home - to > > the same homeland from which we were driven out 1,900 years earlier by a Roman > > world that, apparently, we also upset. > > > > Alas, dear world, it appears that you are hard to please. Having left > > you and your pogroms and Inquisitions and Crusades and Holocausts, having > > taken our leave of the general world to live alone in our own little > > state - we continue to upset you. You are upset that we repress the poor > > Palestinians. You are deeply angered over the fact that we do not give up > > the lands of 1967, which are clearly the obstacle to peace in the Middle > > East. Moscow is upset and Washington is upset. The "radical" Arabs are > > upset and the gentle Egyptian moderates are upset. > > > > Well, dear world, consider the reaction of a normal Jew from Israel. In > > 1920 and 1921 and 1929, there were no territories of 1967 to impede > > peace between Jews and Arabs. Indeed, there was no Jewish State to upset > > anybody. Nevertheless, the same oppressed and repressed Palestinians > > slaughtered tens of Jews in Jerusalem, Jaffa, Safed and Hebron. > > > > Indeed, 67 Jews were slaughtered one day in Hebron - in 1929. Dear > > world, why did the Arabs - the Palestinians - massacre 67 Jews in one day > > in 1929? Could it have been their anger over Israeli aggression in 1967? > And why were 510 Jewish men, women and children slaughtered > > in Arab riots between 1936-39? > > > > Was it because of Arab upset over 1967? And when you, world, > > proposed a U.N. Partition Plan in 1947 that would have created a > > "Palestinian State" alongside a tiny Israel and the Arabs cried "no" and went to war > and killed 6,000 Jews - was that upset caused by the aggression of 1967? And, > > by the way, dear world, why did we not hear your cry of upset, then? > > > > The poor Palestinians who today kill Jews with explosives and firebombs > > and stones are part of the same people who - when they had all the > > territories they now demand be given them for their state - attempted > > to drive the Jewish State in to the sea. The same twisted faces, the same > > hate the same cry of "itbach-al-yahud" massacre the Jew! - that we hear > and see today, were seen and heard then. The same people, the same dream - > > destroy Israel. What they failed to do yesterday, > > they dream of today - but we should not "repress" them... > > > > Dear world, you stood by during the Holocaust and you stood by in 1948 > > as seven states launched a war that the Arab League proudly compared to > the Mongol massacres. You stood by in 1967 as Nasser, wildly cheered by wild > > mobs in every Arab capital in the world, vowed to drive the Jews into the > > sea. And you would stand by tomorrow if Israel were facing extinction. > > > > And since we know that the Arabs-Palestinians daily dream of that > > extinction, we will do everything possible to remain alive in our own > > land. If that bothers you, dear world, well - think of how many times in > > the past you bothered us. > > > > In any event, dear world, if you are bothered by us, here is one Jew in > > Israel who could not care less. > > Dear JMDL members, sorry if this letter upsets you. Laurent . ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 08:15:48 -0600 From: "shane mattison" Subject: new jimdlers as joel gray sang in cabaret: "velcome!" shane ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 10:10:43 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: A Birthday Story - --- AsharaJM@aol.com wrote: > I am frantically > getting reading for 60 > crazy Joni fans to descend on my doorstep. Weren't you expecting 70-some to begin with? So, it's not so bad after all (tee hee). > But I > wanted to take a minute to > tell you a wonderful Joni-related story .... > I was *sure* at this point it would be a cold day in > hell before "Diana" > would part with a poster that was given to her by > Joni. The salesclerk looked > at me and said, "You happened to ask at a good time- > she is simplifying her > life and getting rid of many belongings." After > about 30 seconds of > negotiating, "Holly" and I were walking back down > the street to Bart's to > hand the poster over to me!! Some things are just *meant* to be, aren't they? Aren't you glad you didn't send your Ashara-lookalike to take Jesse to college? ;) - --------------------------------------------------- Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 10:12:12 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Such a gracious welcome! - --- BigWaltinSF@aol.com wrote: > To everyone who responded to my first two postings > on this wonderful list -- > thank you! I already feel at home (maybe except for > the cricket lessons). > lol > > Siquomb and love, Better late than never. Welcome, Walt - you're in good company here. Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 10:14:25 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: new member, new input-output-electricity - --- patricia van nunen wrote: > Hi,to everyone > > It's never easy.The first time.I'm a new member and > very excited about the > JMDL. > I am a woman of heart and mind, I've been following > your discussions now for > quite some time, and what I feel are good vibes, > Joni-passion, but most of > all a lot of information and new input given by you > all.I feel like coming > home... Welcome to you, Patricia. You've come to the right place. Some are friendly/ Some are cutting/ Some are watching it from the wings... Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 10:22:48 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Excitement - --- colin wrote: > > If you go to Colin's web > > site you can see some of his previous handiwork. > > ahh um....if you go to my website you will se pics > of my dogs not my > knitwear! > bw > colin Anyone who can KNIT a dog is VERRRRY good. Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 09:10:58 -0700 From: Phyliss Ward Subject: Re: Tr: Fw: a letter from israel Dear Laurent, I am a Jew and a supporter of Israel. However I still request that you follow the appropriate format for this list and label your emails containing No Joni Content as NJC. Laurent Olszer wrote: > > > The following was received from an unknown source in Israel. - -- Phyliss mailto:pward@datacourse.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 10:08:03 -0700 From: "brian symes" Subject: Randy Brecker / Michael Brecker ? Joni Trivia I Just bought Jane Monheits newest CD with "A Case of You" It has Michael on the Sax I quess this is the same Michael that played on Joni's "Shadows and Light" . The next question is Michael related to Randy who plays on David Lahm's CD's . Jane does have a young sexy voice and on ACOY the bass has an Jacoesque sound. I would recomend Jane to those who who like Diana Krall or Susannah McCorkle but she still is riding tht tiger's tail. My blue eyes are turning green for those going to the labor day joni fest. Please somebody bring a handycam and video tape it ? Brian Symes NP I Want To Be a Side Man: Frishberg/McCorkle Sign up for a free About Email account at http://About.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 14:56:12 EDT From: BigWaltinSF@aol.com Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2001 #367 In a message dated 8/27/01 12:04:05 AM, les@jmdl.com writes: << I finally caught John Kelly's Paved Paradise show, or at least most of it - - > > missed the first 15 minutes or so. He says he will debut a new show called > > Shiny Hot Nights this fall. >> God, I'd almost forgotten about John Kelly -- I saw him here in SF in 93(?). Glad to hear he's still doing his Early Joni shtick. He promised way back then he'd eventually start work on the next segment of JM's work. I assume that's what "Shiny Hot Nights" is? Hope he comes out here with it. Since Josie's is closed, I'm not sure where he'd play, but I'm sure he'd find a warm wlecome here. - --"Big" walt breen ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 20:18:32 +0100 From: colin Subject: Re: Excitement > Anyone who can KNIT a dog is VERRRRY good. Oh they just take a bit longer Catherine > Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca - -- bw colin DAK,BRO GC, 950i 940,860,864, 260, 890,Silver 830 and 270, Passap 6000 Duo80 colin@tantra-apso.com http://www.tantra-apso.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 13:05:18 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: John Kelly Welcome Big Walt! I got to meet John (and have a private concert!) last year when he was staying in my apt. bldg. while appearing in James Joyce's The Dead here in L.A. I'm glad to hear that some jmdler's got to see him recently hoping he will bring Paved Paradise here soon. He played a bit of a CD that he recorded with a friend which was wonderful but I can't recall the title. I heard from him a couple weeks ago and he told me he has a book out that you can get from Amazon.com titled "Performance" which has a chapter on Joni. Here's a link for those interested - http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/089381962X/qid=998942561/sr=1-3/ref=s c_b_3/104-1371571-7129568 Kakki > God, I'd almost forgotten about John Kelly -- I saw him here in SF in 93(?). > Glad to hear he's still doing his Early Joni shtick. He promised way back > then he'd eventually start work on the next segment of JM's work. I assume > that's what "Shiny Hot Nights" is? Hope he comes out here with it. Since > Josie's is closed, I'm not sure where he'd play, but I'm sure he'd find a > warm wlecome here. > > --"Big" walt breen ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 16:14:05 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: In Praise of TI Les pointed the way to this article: http://www.jmdl.com/articles/docs/940827bb.cfm And it was a nice Timothy White piece about the release of TI. Since I read it this morning, I've been contemplating the record and marvelling over just what a powerful tour-de-force it is. I recall the first time I heard it...I wasn't expecting it to be as powerful as it was, I was really blown away. It's VERY dark, but that's never bothered me. Sunny Sunday has such a complex and interesting chord pregression, and the "snapshot" lyrics are as telling as much as they are mysterious. She says as much between the lines as she does with her words; indeed that's one of Joni's gifts. Telling a specific story yet giving me a scenario I can directly relate to. "Sex Kills" lyrically reminds me of some of the DED material, but musically it's SO much stronger. Joni said that she intended for the music to be more upbeat as the lyrics were so bleak. I'd love to hear it taken up a couple more notches, I love the "angry" feel she gives this one in a live setting. "How Do You Stop" is sort of the sore thumb for me...it's a pretty enough song (her duet w/Seal on his record is stronger), but I don't see where it fits thematically with the rest of the record. Maybe it's directed towards Klein, like "Last Chance Lost" (?) Anyway, one can look at the lyrics and know that Joni didn't write it...not that it's BAD, just not up to her speed. "Magdalene Laundries" & "Not To Blame" are specific in terms of their addressing cruelty towards women. Both are heartbreaking...always hard for me to hear "They just stuffed her in a hole..." and not break into tears. "Borderline", like "Sex Kills", is a scathing lyrical composition set to an almost lilting melodic line, making for an interesting juxtaposition...some of Joni's best lyrics and rhyme schemes in this song. She starts it talking about "Everybody" and by the end of the song she's addressing it to one person. Again, "Yvette", like "Sunny Sunday" is another example of how Joni applies the painter's touch to her writing...vivid images, almost impossible to listen to this song and not see specific sights in your mind. WOuld have made an interesting video using subtle suggestive images as opposed to merely acting out the storyline. And again, what she DOESN'T SAY is just as interesting as what she does! "The Sire of Sorrows" is a masterpiece in the same way "Paprika Plains" & "Judgement of the Moon & Stars" are, in my mind anyway. Such an epic lyrical sweep as she details the classic story of suffering without sin. Joni's probably (make that definitely) the only writer who could have composed this. Anyway, just some random thoughts about Joni's '94 masterwork...I'd love to hear some other thoughts as well. Did she "invent" new tunings for some of these songs? It sure sounds like it to me. Bob NP: Talking Heads, "Life During Wartime" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 19:06:50 EDT From: MDESTE1@aol.com Subject: Gattaca (md) Anyone ever see this movie. Got any opinions on it ? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 20:12:42 -0700 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: Gattaca (md) I thought it was a fun movie. Reminded me of Brave New World and other books/movies like it. Paz on 8/27/01 4:06 PM, MDESTE1@aol.com at MDESTE1@aol.com wrote: > Anyone ever see this movie. Got any opinions on it ? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 21:54:25 EDT From: BigWaltinSF@aol.com Subject: Old news, but I'm new: musings and q's about joni's appearances, etc> Hi, everyone. Can't tell you how much I'm enjoying this site/list, and getting responses, and meeting you individually on the net. I assume you all saw the Special Night with Joni thing that was on one of the cable channels (can't remember which at the moment) about a year and a half ago. Aside from Joni's own outstanding performance of BSN, whcih was farily similar to the performance on the BSN album, she was preceeded by the excellent Diana Krall, who reduced me to tears with her seemingly (appropriately) drunk performance of Case of You, belied by her incredible, jazzy, expert piano playing. Anyway, I watch this tape often, whicn I need a good smile or cry (it's the same relief, no?). Other highlights for me were the performances by Shawn Colvin and Beth Chapman (something missing from the latter's name, I know, but I can't pull it out right now... Nielsen?? -- anyway, are those two lovers or just buds), and their trio performance with JT, and his solo performance of River (with interestingly missing lyrics about making one's lover cry...hmmm). Back in '95 I heard on San Fran's KFOG a re-broadcast of a small concert Joni had doen in LA. There was one song I didn't at that time recognize. Now I'm thinking it may have been Man from Mars, but I'm not sure. Anybody know the tape I mean, and what song it was? I understand from this site or from Wally Breese's jonimitchell.com that there is some kind of tribute album in the works (not the jazz thing by David Lahm, which I just learned about and intend to find next time I'm in a Virgin or Tower). Anybody know anything about the tribute album? Certainly hope Colvin, Chapman and Krall are involved!!! On a more frustrating note, I have TWICE caught the second half of an hour-long performance by joni for a small group in Toronto (I gather from the credits) for Canadian TV. Once was my fault, and the other was KQED's (local PBS in SF), for (brace yourself) jumping in in the middle of the performance because they were pledging, and trying to sell some crap by some self-help guru!!!! Ugh, to say the least. So I still have no idea what's on the first half hour of the set. Oh, the local TV guide listing said the performance was from 200, but the credits revealed otherwise. She did perform Facelift (wonderful! -- one of my favorites of all time) from Tiger, and Comes Love (Nothing Can Be Done) from BSN, but Facelift was written back in '95, and Come Love might have been something her ex and now friend, Larry K, brought to her attention some time back to lure her into considering what later led to BSN. Finally (and sorry to all of you for whom this is all old news), any idea what Joni's next album is about thematically, or whether she's even working on one, or when we might expect it, hmmmm? Thinking Siquombically of you all, Walt B. in San Fran ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 21:33:54 -0500 From: "Dolphie Bush" Subject: rickie lee I got turned on to her back in Lubbock in the early 80's. I had only heard Chuck E's in love on the radio and thought she was kind of squirrelly too. My good friend Jeff had her album though and we used to lie around getting stoned and trying to find ourselves and that album was so great. Have you heard the song "company". Doesn't get any better than that. Was getting over a broken heart at the time or trying to and that tune would just break my heart all over again. Jeff used to play Joni all the time too but I didn't think much of her then but later learned the error of my thinking. But that Rickie Lee, she takes me away. Try to find the album Girl at her volcano. Hard to find but man it will knock you out. I would love to read the review. Thanks Mark ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 22:42:40 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Old news, but I'm new: musings and q's about joni's appearances, etc> - --- BigWaltinSF@aol.com wrote: > On a more frustrating note, I have TWICE caught the > second half of an > hour-long performance by joni for a small group in > Toronto (I gather from the > credits) for Canadian TV. ... Oh, the local TV guide listing said the > performance was from > 200, but the credits revealed otherwise. She did > perform Facelift > (wonderful! -- one of my favorites of all time) from > Tiger, and Comes Love > (Nothing Can Be Done) from BSN, but Facelift was > written back in '95, and > Come Love might have been something her ex and now > friend, Larry K, brought > to her attention some time back to lure her into > considering what later led > to BSN. > Walt, I think this is the shortened (hour-long only) version of "Painting with Words and Music" that the CBC ran around the same time the PWWAM ran in the U.S. We Canadians lost out on that one, unfortunately. It wasn't filmed in Canada - in fact, some of the jmdlers were there (was it in LA? SF? I dunno.) Anyway, you can get the video of PWWAM through places like CDNow, Amazon.com and so on. Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 23:35:43 EDT From: BigWaltinSF@aol.com Subject: Re: RE: Old news, but I'm new: musings and q's about joni's appearances, etc> In a message dated 8/27/01 7:28:50 PM, messling@enter.net writes: << Whew! A bunch of questions. I'll give some of them a whirl. First, a piece of advice: if you want tapes or CDs of live performances, Bob Muller is the man. He's incredibly generous with his time. I don't know if he has a stock of videos, but he might. > > the performances by Shawn Colvin and Beth Chapman Close! It was Mary Chapin Carpenter. (Walt: Oops, is my face red. I'm a fan of Shawn C's, but have heard of Mary Cahpin Carpernter, and shouldn't've brain-farted on the name. Isn't there also an artist with a name like Beth Nielsen Chapman, or am i totally insane?) > Back in '95 I heard on San Fran's KFOG a re-broadcast of a small > concert Joni > had doen in LA. There was one song I didn't at that time > recognize. Now I'm > thinking it may have been Man from Mars, but I'm not sure. Would this have been the show recorded at the Gene Autry Museum? Did Joni do a long, rambling, funny intro about playing war with the boys in her neighborhood? She played "Love's Cries" at that show, an early (and IMO opinion better) version of "Crazy Cries of Love." Perhaps that was the song you don't recognize?) (Walt: could possibly be. Memory is too fuzzy) > > I understand from this site or from Wally Breese's jonimitchell.com that > there is some kind of tribute album in the works Arrgh! This darn tribute album has been "in the works" for YEARS now, and Reprise can't seem to get off its duff. Latest news is that the disc will be titled A Case of Joni, and here's what to expect: PM Dawn, Night in the City Annie Lennox, Ladies of the Canyon Stevie Wonder, Woodstock Janet Jackson, Beat of Black Wings Duncan Sheik, Court and Spark kd lang, Help Me Sarah McLachlan, Blue Elvis Costello, Edith and the Kingpin Chaka Khan, Hejira Etta James, Amelia Elton John, Free Man In Paris Bjork, Boho Dance Lindsey Buckingham with Mick Fleetwood, Big Yellow Taxi However, there was also a tantalizing news item about Steely Dan recording a version of "Carey" for this CD. Imagine that! (walt: WOW, what a list of talent. Hope it happens!!) > On a more frustrating note, I have TWICE caught the second half of an > hour-long performance by joni for a small group in Toronto (I > gather from the > credits) for Canadian TV. This one is news to me. It sort of sounds like "Painting with Words and Music," but that was recorded in LA. She did a MuchMusic "Intimate and Interactive" show shortly after the release of TI, but that show does not include "Comes Love." I'm stumped. (Walt) In the one I'm talking about, she even dances with a friend from the audience (someone she knows, in fact, one of the three who sang "Why do fools fall in love" with her earlier in the broadcast -- everyone in the audience was a friend or an invitee by a friend. ) Also during the show in question, Graham Nash gave her the award/trophy/thingy that he had accepted for her the year before when she'd been inducted into the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame. The show was LISTED as being "Pianting with Word and Music" by KQED, but since they got the year wrong, and I neer saw the beginning, I was doubtful. Welcome to the list! You live in one of my favorite cities. I visited SF this June while attending the American Library Association conference. (W--Thank you, Deb, and thank you for such detailed answers to my questions!) - ----------------------------------- Deb Messling =^..^= >> ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 23:37:46 EDT From: Merk54@aol.com Subject: Re: rickie lee Mark, I agree whole heartedly about Rickie, and especially about the song Company. I've seen Rickie live numerous times, but one time I saw her at the now defunct Poplar Creek Theater, and she did a version of Company that left me sobbing like a baby. It was the most emotional reading of a song I have ever witnessed. Three or four songs later, she was playing a much more lively song (I wish I could remember which one) and I just had to get up and dance, even though the rest of the audience remained seated. I was in about the fourth row, and half way through the song, the band went into a instrumental part, and Rickie jumps off the stage, comes running up to me, drags me in the aisle, and dances with me for a couple of minutes while the band jammed away. A magic night for sure! Which reminds me of another favorite Rickie moment. I was seeing her at a small concert hall on a Chicago campus, and dragged a friend along who I thought might appreciate her. She was touring with a very small band, and the whole evenings performance was very laid back, and my friend wasn't overly impressed. For her final encore, she did an accapella version of some song I never heard before, but it had something to do with a couple meeting in a bar, and cigarettes - I wish I could remember more. Anyway, half way through the song, she messes up, and shouts "Damn, I fucked it up - Now I'll have to start the whole thing over". And in the process of starting it over, she completely re-interpretted the song. It was simply amazing. But what was even more amazing was my friend's reaction - "God, she not only fucked up the song the first time, but then she couldn't even remember the melody when she sang it the second time". If anybody happens to know the song I am referring to here, I would greatly appreciate hearing from you. Jack ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 23:48:53 EDT From: BigWaltinSF@aol.com Subject: Re: Old news, but I'm new: musings and q's about joni's appearances, etc> Thank you, A-R! I guess despite the discrepancies, it must be PWWAM. The credits do seem to suggest to me -- as fast as they've gone by, I may have misinterpreted them -- that it was a Canadian TV Production, but maybe they're just grabbing credit for their hown-grown here. :-) Thanks again -- Walt ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 00:43:42 -0400 From: dsk Subject: Re: new member, new input-output-electricity patricia van nunen wrote: > > Hi,to everyone > > It's never easy.The first time.I'm a new member and very excited about the > JMDL. Great! Welcome, and congratulations on making the leap. > I am a woman of heart and mind, I've been following your discussions now for > quite some time, and what I feel are good vibes, Joni-passion, but most of > all a lot of information and new input given by you all. I feel like coming > home... I know what you mean about the coming home experience. When I joined years ago the discussion at the time was about "The Reoccurring Dream". It seemed to go on forever and evolved into a heated argument about why Joni used the word "reoccurring" rather than "occurring". I was amazed that so many people not only knew the song but felt so passionately about it they were arguing about her use of one particular word. Aahhhhh! I felt like a fish diving into life-giving water. It wasn't just me and Joni anymore. Debra Shea ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2001 #263 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she?