From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2001 #260 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Saturday, August 25 2001 Volume 2001 : Number 260 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. Information on the 4th "Annual" New England JoniFest: http://www.jmdl.com/jfne2001.cfm ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Today's Articles: August 24 [les@jmdl.com] Quote ["William Waddell" ] George Harrison on the Pope ["William Waddell" ] Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2001 #259 [BachelorNumero2@aol.com] phallic question ["Dolphie Bush" ] Re: phallic question [colin ] Re: phallic question [dsk ] [none] ["Dolphie Bush" ] Re: phallic question [Don Rowe ] phallic question ["Dolphie Bush" ] Re: Don't buy Cowboy Junkies Greatest Hits cd [FredNow@aol.com] Joni on a soundtrack [Vince Lavieri ] Elvis' voice and Joni Quad discs. ["denknee" ] Freudian Hejira [Tyler Hewitt ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 03:13:38 -0400 From: les@jmdl.com Subject: Today's Articles: August 24 On August 24 these articles were published: 1968: "Outside Schwenksville" - Philadelphia Evening Bulletin (Review - Concert) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/docs/680824peb.cfm 1996: "Joni Mitchell offers Hits and Misses" - Billboard (Review - Album, with photographs) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/docs/960824bb.cfm - ------------------------ The JMDL Article Database has 631 titles. http://www.jmdl.com/articles ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 04:55:02 -0500 From: "William Waddell" Subject: Quote This quote; <"It is cruel, you know, that music should be so beautiful. It has the beauty of loneliness and of pain; of strength and freedom; the beauty of disappointment and never-satisfied love; the cruel beauty of nature, and everlasting beauty of monotony."> wasn't from Joni. Willy the Shake _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 05:08:14 -0500 From: "William Waddell" Subject: George Harrison on the Pope <<<"While the pope owns 51% of General Motors And the stock exchange is the only thing he's qualified to quote us..." -George Harrison I have a pic from the newspaper of Bob playing for the pope. A reminder of how bizarre things can get. John Paul is looking on>>> Not often a post comes up here with John Paul, George but without that other one. WTS _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 08:10:52 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2001 #362 << Linda and Elvis Costello could be a great project...or at least I think so. Oliver Crum >> Hi Oliver, I don't recall a post from you before, so if it's your first, welcome and thanks for writing! Linda's done Elvis with mixed results, while her voice is STILL one of the best around, her song selections (Allison, Party Girl, Girls Talk) have been a little dubious. She didn't understand the irony of some of the lyrics, apparantly... Anyway, she could take those Burt Bacharach/Elvis tracks and NAIL them. I agree. And I'd buy it without hesitation! Bob NP: The O'Jay's, "Backstabbers" (What they do?!) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 09:39:15 -0500 From: "Sharon L. Buffington" Subject: Re: in search of the meaning of birthdays Hello dear boy..... Not to be worried. I had a HEAVY court load and a ton of brief writing to be completed before the Fest. I am beginning to see the light at the end of the tunnel though. And yesterday after I returned from a day in the law library a missive in my post box revealed I had won a case before the high court. It was an easy case for me...but all the same...it was nice to get that decision. I have signed up for tango lessons! I begin September 10. I am taking them with my friend Glen who is worried because he can not dance. I told him if he can walk he can tango. I have not been able to read many of the Joni posts over the past week but I do know we have had a lot of burfdays. So I hope I remember Kakki, Ashara, ummmmmmm Pat?, ummmmmmmwell......you know who you are and if I had of saved those missives I would know who you are. You know how lawyers are...we do not remember squat. One week from today at this time I will be in Boston...if we land on time. I will post this now to go clean my house...friends are coming tonight for dinner...most of us will play songs...and we will watch the Joni Tribute. Peace.......Sharon...arisen from the briefs (that does not sound right) colin wrote: > > I am glad to har from you. I was getting concerned! > colin ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 10:51:10 -0400 From: dsk Subject: Re: Quote William Waddell wrote: > > This quote; > > <"It is cruel, you know, that music should be so beautiful. It has the > beauty of loneliness and of pain; of strength and freedom; the beauty of > disappointment and never-satisfied love; the cruel beauty of nature, and > everlasting beauty of monotony."> > > wasn't from Joni. I don't have any idea who's quote this is, but wanted to add that I think it's cruel that music is so elusive, so intangible. It's not the written score, it's not the cd we buy, it's not the performer... it's those sounds that disappear almost as soon as they're made. That's one of its beauties, too... the reminder of time's passing and the constant demand that each moment be appreciated. Debra Shea ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 12:16:09 EDT From: BachelorNumero2@aol.com Subject: Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2001 #259 In a message dated 8/24/01 2:08:10 AM Central Daylight Time, les@jmdl.com writes: << Okay, yeah, there are a few crackles but vinyl does some things better than the CD's limited specifications allow it to do. >> YES! I completely agree........Vinyl is a golden treasure that many people have tossed to the side...... For instance.........I found a copy of "The Hissing of Summer Lawns --Quad" on Vinyl at a local record store and bought it. I threw it on my turntable and my eyes rolled in he back of my head even as the first cymbals of "In France They Kiss On Main Street" came on.......NOT ONLY was this copy clearer and crisper than my HDCD, BUT it's been mixed differently as well......Now, I don't know if that's because of the Quad mix, but it sounds completely different. And with the exception of "Jungle Line", every song on the album sounds 200 times better than the CD version. Especially "Edith and the KingPin" and the title track (which sound muffled on the cd).......The sound truly sparkles on the vinyl copy. AND, the intro to "Harry's House".... (the airplane landing) is different than the cd copy.......the pitch is lower and the length of the sound is longer........ HMMM........ Everyone should be testing their LPs against their "remastered cds"....before they throw them out.......because like Joni says, "You don't know what you got til' it's gone" PHIL ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 14:56:49 -0500 From: "Dolphie Bush" Subject: phallic question I find the entire discussion about this supposed penis ridiculous and very disrespectful to the artist we all admire. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 21:39:02 +0100 From: colin Subject: Re: phallic question Oh I am sure our Joni is not uptight and prissy and enjoys a little silliness. After all would she sing about pissing in a car park if she were? Dolphie Bush wrote: > I find the entire discussion about this supposed penis ridiculous and very > disrespectful to the artist we all admire. - -- bw colin DAK,BRO GC, 950i 940,860,864, 260, 890,Silver 830 and 270, Passap 6000 Duo80 colin@tantra-apso.com http://www.tantra-apso.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 16:56:09 -0400 From: dsk Subject: Re: phallic question It's definitely silly, but I don't agree with the disrespectful. It's amazing to me, and flattering to Joni I think, that 25 years after she made this picture people are still looking so closely at it. Debra Shea Dolphie Bush wrote: > > I find the entire discussion about this supposed penis ridiculous and very > disrespectful to the artist we all admire. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 15:52:19 -0500 From: "Dolphie Bush" Subject: [none] That is an interesting insight Debra. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 14:09:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Don Rowe Subject: Re: phallic question - --- Dolphie Bush wrote: > I find the entire discussion about this supposed > penis ridiculous and very > disrespectful to the artist we all admire. Hmmm ... it seems to me that this artist we all admire has penned, amongst many other lines, such things as: "I pissed a tequila anaconda the full length of the parking lot" "Kiss my ass, I said, and I threw my drink." "Fuck it! Tonight I'm going dancing with the drag queens and the punks." "He picks up my scent on his fingers as he's watching a waitress's legs" "You've got all those pretty girls comin' round/Hangin' on your boom-boom pachyderm" So I don't think a conversation speculating about the phallic imagery in her cover artwork is in ANY way disrespectful. Quite the contrary, I think we're musing about it as a show of respect for an artist who's work has often reflected a frank and unashamed view of male, as well as female sexuality. What's more, I'm sure if Joni were watching, she'd get a terrific kick out of it ... that is, a few seconds before she advised us all to go out and get real lives! ;-) Don Rowe ===== Visit me anytime at http://www.mp3.com/donrowe Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 16:07:54 -0500 From: "Dolphie Bush" Subject: phallic question You're right Don. I stand corrected. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 17:15:20 EDT From: FredNow@aol.com Subject: Re: Don't buy Cowboy Junkies Greatest Hits cd Catherine McKay wrote: >Call me naive, but how are these companies allowed to >do this WITHOUT the permission of the artist(s)? Because, to paraphrase Lily Tomlin's character Ernestine, the telephone operator, they don't have to have permission, they're the record company! But Randy and Brenda are right, it's right there in their indentured servant contracts. I do know how they feel, so I suggest that they send back without cashing the very large blood money royalty checks they will probably receive from the evil record company. (insert emoticon here) - -Fred Simon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 22:12:06 -0400 From: Vince Lavieri Subject: Joni on a soundtrack Y'all know that Friday is grandson night and tonight after a fine time at the beach Gage and I went to the video store, and had a great time singing Loudon Wainwright's greatest song (Dead Skunk in the Middle of the Road) and the newest song by Uncle Cracker (Follow Me) because we are so eclectic and hip. So we are in the videostore and the usual ads are blaring over the speakers when all of a sudden I hear the "[some movie] with a soundtrack by [so and so], Joni Mitchell , [so and so], [so and so] and other [great artists], now available in stores everywhere." Now at the time I heard the ad we were planning on renting 'Major Payne' and 'Big Daddy' and those are the selections you make when you let a 6 year old pick the movies, and I promised to myself to remember the names of the movie and the other great artists and post to you all while we were watching 'Major Payne.' However: tragedy. Before we checked out, Gage saw the video for 'Dude, Where's the Car' and we (he) decided we were going to see 'Dude, Where's the Car' instead of 'Big Daddy.' I was so stunned that I was going to actually rent 'Dude, Where's the Car' that I forgot totally the name of the movie with the Joni in the soundtrack. All that I can remember is it was a movie that I have never heard of and thus I conclude it is a new movie. So there must be some (probably new) movie out there with Joni in the soundtrack and a movie that thinks so highly of her that she was the second great artist listed in the ad. While I watch the second half of 'Major Payne' and, shudder, 'Dude, Where's the Car,' I am hoping that someone can help me out with the name of the (probably new) movie out there with Joni in the soundtrack, (the Rev) Vince NPIMH: anything but 'Major Payne' and 'Dude, Where's the Car' but unfortunately not the ad that I heard in the video store ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2001 01:52:12 -0400 From: "denknee" Subject: Elvis' voice and Joni Quad discs. I LOVE Elvis Costello's singing on 'Painted From Memory'. It's like he's singing those songs like Dionne would have sung them. Her voice is too shot these days to do those songs any justice, anyway. Like Joni, she's destroyed her instrument with cigarettes. I'll take a strained and/or a bum note sung with passion over a technically perfect, yet soulless note any day. I think Elvis' strain give the songs tension. But that's my layman's opinion, but I had to voice it, all due respect, Fred. I have two Quad albums by Joni. "Court and Spark" and "Hissing..." Yes, Phil, sometimes they used different takes or mixes for Quad albums. You should hear "Raised on Robbery" on the quad disc. They wiped out most of the backup vocals that gave it so much character! You would've thought they would have played-up the use of the vocals by placing them more towards the back speakers or something, but, no.... they just wiped them out! Most bizarre. And like the Gold CD of 'C&S', they break up the seque between "People's Parties" and "The Same Situation". For any hard core collector, if there are any Quad discs available by a favourite artist, ya gotta get it. They were notorious for using different mixes or takes. - -denknee ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 23:30:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Tyler Hewitt Subject: Freudian Hejira RE: I find the entire discussion about this supposed penis ridiculous and very disrespectful to the artist we all admire. - ------ I dunno, I get the idea that Joni, like so many of us on this list, loves a good stiffy! And frankly, I'm a little alarmed by everyone who sees a penis on the cover of Hejira. Maybe you haven't seen many in person? Makes me think that maybe Freud was right after all, and EVERYTHING IS ABOUT THE PENIS. I've looked at that cover many times, in fact I'm glancing at it as I write this, and Joni's wrist looks nothing like a --WAIT! I can see it! No, now I've lost it. Thought I saw it for a second there. Damn, now I'm scaring myself! This reminds me of Wilson Bryan Key, who in the 70's who went on talk shows with 'proof' that subliminal sexual imagery was being inserted into ads to create desire for products. I remember seeing him present a Howard Johnson's placemat with a picture of fried clams as a picture of an orgy. He wrote a few books as well, you see them turn up in used bookshops and Salvation Army. They're good for a laugh, in the same way that watching Lyndon LaRouche and reading Scientology literature is. ; Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2001 #260 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she?