From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2001 #259 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Friday, August 24 2001 Volume 2001 : Number 259 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. Information on the 4th "Annual" New England JoniFest: http://www.jmdl.com/jfne2001.cfm ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- the queen! ["Kate Bennett" ] batman, robin, and catgirl (sjc) ["shane mattison" ] Jennifer Warnes (& Kirsten Vigard) (sjc) ["Paul Castle" ] Re: radio moi -just like this train (live -94) [Jerry Notaro ] Indigo's birthday on August,24th - Germany's No.1 Joni fan [Mauski4648@ao] Songs of Jennifer Warnes/ Lenny Cohen ["Jeff Eisenhauer" <4ikes@paonline.] Crosby Stills and Nash benefit tickets [Les Irvin ] RE: les deux cafe [Catherine McKay ] comfort in melancholy ["Dolphie Bush" ] comfortinmelancholy ["Dolphie Bush" ] Re: Tears of Stone [Catherine McKay ] Re: Radio VLJC - long [Catherine McKay ] Re: comfortinmelancholy [dsk ] [none] ["Dolphie Bush" ] Re: JMDL Digest V2001 #362 [Olivercrum@aol.com] Don't buy Cowboy Junkies Greatest Hits cd! ["Mark or Travis" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 00:39:47 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: the queen! Happy Happy Birthday Ashara!!!!!!!!!! ******************************************** Kate Bennett www.katebennett.com sponsored by Polysonics www.polysonics.com Discover the Indies at Taylor Guitars: http://www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/bennett.html ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 03:07:45 -0600 From: "shane mattison" Subject: batman, robin, and catgirl (sjc) kakki, what discoveries we made on the same day, like batman and robin... and then catgirl chimed in because she went with you to the les deux cafe...(i was in the batcave with michelle pfeiffer...) sound, sight, and culinary delight... those images of joni... "barney google...with the great big googily eyes" (childhood bat song) holy burn, my tights are killing me... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 11:26:58 +0100 From: "Paul Castle" Subject: Jennifer Warnes (& Kirsten Vigard) (sjc) Now I'm getting REALLY spooked by this list!! :) Clive Chorando6@aol.com wrote >I was equally taken with Jennifers version of Todd Rungrens >Pretending to care on The Hunter >>>snip>>> One more thing, >refering back to god Give me strength and the Film it was >written for ' Grace of my heart'. Sung By Kirsten Vigard >>> Not long after I had been listening to 'Pretending to Care' yesterday, I was doing a search on something and came across a playlist by KRCL (Salt Lake City) DJ, Susanne Millsaps (who I met briefly in Vancouver earlier this year) in which she played Kirsten's version of 'Man from Mars' - this is what she said in her playlist notes: >"And if you ever want to stump someone, play the Kirsten >Vigard version of the Joni Mitchell tune, "Man from Mars" >(Kirsten's came out several years before Joni's) -- everyone, >even the most dyed-in-the-wool Joni afficionados, will swear >it's Joni Mitchell. Uncanny." Uncanny? (I'm 'Woooooooooooo skedddying out loud' here, Catherine - WSOL!!!) PaulC PS. Had another (minor) WSOL yesterday, too. I noticed that Jennifer Warnes had played the character of Sheila in the New York production of 'Hair'. My partner, Beverly, played Sheila in the London production at around the same time - whilst I didn't know Bev at the time, we worked out that I would have seen her in the show at The Shaftesbury Theatre in the early seventies. Without knowing it, I obviously let her sunshine in!! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 05:43:00 -0500 From: "William Waddell" Subject: Comfory in melancholy I came across this quote from, well ... Can you guess who? <"It is cruel, you know, that music should be so beautiful. It has the beauty of loneliness and of pain; of strength and freedom; the beauty of disappointment and never-satisfied love; the cruel beauty of nature, and everlasting beauty of monotony."> Willy the Shake _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 08:09:30 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: radio moi -just like this train (live -94) shane mattison wrote: > jerry wrote: > < first > name, and last name.>> > > yah so? look what kind of service they're offering...111 joni tracks at the > click of your mouse... > burton cummings thinks its fantastic... > so do i... > shane Why in the world do they need your sex, year of birth, or even name to give you 111 joni tracks? Just a precaution, if you value your privacy. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 08:19:59 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Jennifer Warnes (& Kirsten Vigard) (sjc) Paul Castle wrote: > > > PS. Had another (minor) WSOL yesterday, too. I noticed > that Jennifer Warnes had played the character of > Sheila in the New York production of 'Hair'. My > partner, Beverly, played Sheila in the London > production at around the same time - whilst I didn't > know Bev at the time, we worked out that I would > have seen her in the show at The Shaftesbury Theatre > in the early seventies. Without knowing it, I obviously > let her sunshine in!! And I saw the Toronto version which starred Gale Garnett (We'll Sing In the Sunshine) as Sheila. A few years later I saw Sisters of Mercy-The Music of Leonard Cohen, which was part of the Shaw Festival at Niagara-on-the-Lake, in which she also starred. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 10:31:42 -0700 From: "Brenda J. Walker" Subject: Re: Radio VLJC - long AzeemAK@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 21/08/01 04:12:36 GMT Daylight Time, > brenda@killinggoliath.com writes: > > << Clear Channel does not care about listeners. They want the broadest > audience > possible to deliver to advertisers. So the songs which make it on air are > the > ones that are least likely to offend people. I recall sitting in a meeting > with a > radio research company where they basically explained that the corporate > radio > owners wanted songs that do not illicit strong emotions, either positive or > negative. What a laugh, right!? >> > > This is so deeply depressing, Brenda, that it almost beggars belief. Don't > these people have souls?? And so the relentless homogenisation of everything > that can be prostituted to turn a profit continues apace. The reality of the music industry is indeed fairly dismaying. Imagine being one of the grown up kids working at a label, with our piercings, tattoos and shit kicking boots listening to a couple of Ernst & Young looking suits tell us that research supports bland music. Songs testing with strong positive reaction also tend to test with strong negative - the old adage, "you'll either love it or hate it." The rationale for radio is that they don't want people to turn the dial so anything that some people might love alot could drive the people who hate it to turn. Therefore it's safer to play music that people won't really love or really hate - the dull hiss will lull them into complacency. I feel as Catherine does though - countercultures will emerge. Now although there could be several reasons for it, midyear music sales (since the shutdown of Napster) are down about 9%. Yet, independent labels that put out DJ or "electronic" music are thriving and experiencing market growth. Brenda n.p.: KCRW ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 14:39:02 EDT From: Mauski4648@aol.com Subject: Indigo's birthday on August,24th - Germany's No.1 Joni fan Please do send all your greetings, hugs, kisses and love to Indigo girl in Wuppertal, Germany(indigo94@12move.de) for her birthday. She disappeared and perhaps your greetings will get her back on the screen. Thank you, Karin ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 17:08:30 -0400 From: "Jeff Eisenhauer" <4ikes@paonline.com> Subject: Songs of Jennifer Warnes/ Lenny Cohen As I was scrolling down the JMDL I happened to stop at Paul Castle's email of Jennifer Warnes and as I started to read, "Song of Bernadette" started to play. You see I had the "Famous Blue Raincoat" spinning in CD-ROM. It was to say the least a "goose-pipply" moment. To all who want a most beautiful musical moment. FBR is definfitley undoubtly on my list of top 10 GP moments. To All, Peace. Jeff E. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 16:02:21 -0600 From: Les Irvin Subject: Crosby Stills and Nash benefit tickets Bill Dollinger asked that I pass this along to the list. Les - -------------- CROSBY STILLS & NASH 10/4 The Buffalo Club Special Crosby Stills and Nash benefit tickets to Save the last the wild buffalo herd, the Yellowstone Bison, are on sale now by calling 800-728-6223 or by emailing us at mailto:guacfund@bigplanet.com. Proceeds from these special benefits ticket sales will be used to support the work of the Buffalo Field Campaign, the only organization that is actively in the field 365 days a year, putting their bodies between the Department of Livestock and the last wild herd of buffalo. Only ten tickets for each of the following concerts are available for this special program. Six for $100 include after show backstage passes and four for $200 include after show backstage passes and a meet and greet with members of Crosby Stills and Nash. The tickets are located at Birmingham, Al ~ Oak Mountain Amphitheatre Section B, Row N Saturday, 1 September 01 San Antonio, TX ~ Verizon Wireless Amphitheatre Orchestra 2, Row L Tuesday, 4 September 01 Houston, TX ~ Cynthia Woods Mitchell Pavilion Orch Center, Row G Wednesday, 5 September 01 Dallas, TX ~ Smirnoff Music Center Section 101, Row J Saturday, 8 September 01 Albuquerque, NM ~ Journal Pavilion Section 2, Row G Wednesday, 12 September 01 Concord, CA ~ Chronicle Pavilion Section 104, Row M Wednesday, 19 September 01 San Diego, CA ~ Summer Pops/Navy Pier 11 Section 1, Row 11 Friday, 14 September 01 Quincy (George), WA ~ The Gorge Section B, Row 12 Friday, 21 September 01 Eugene, OR ~ Hult Center for the Performing Arts Centre Orch, Row P Saturday, 22 September 01 Thanks for passing this info on to your friends and family!! and thanks to Crosby, Stills and Nash and Carol, Debbie and Tom for supporting our important work!! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 19:02:57 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: RE: les deux cafe - --- cat627@cs.com wrote: > What a place!! When I went to CA and visited Kakki > we went there and had such a fine time. The food > was great the company was even greater and the > atmosphere was so cool. The only thing missing was > Joni. I did take a picture of TI behind the bar and > Kakki took a pic of me in front of the sign A while ago, someone in the office where I work found a life-size cardboard figure of Elton John in the garbage outside a record store - I guess it had been used to publicize a recent album or something. She brought it back to the office and we kept it there for quite a while. Anytime there was an office party of any kind, Elton was invited, and of course he was included in all the pictures. I don't know if a lifesize cardboard picture of Joni could be found, but wouldn't it be neato keen if someone who knows how to do this kind of thing could make one? It would mean blowing up a real picture of Joni to lifesize and gluing it on some kind of board I can think these things up, but am not very good at actually doing them - haha - I'm an idea person (or lazy bum, depending on your point of view. Then Joni could be at the Fest and we'd all be able to get our pictures taken with her - it *almost* looks real and it might fool a few people. Of course, some of you lucky dawgs have REALLY been photographed with Joni - the rest of us only dream of the day when, jaw gaping, we actually meet her, only to be left speechless and drooling. Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 18:08:00 -0500 From: "Dolphie Bush" Subject: comfort in melancholy Is there comfort in melancholy? I guess there could be but melancholia can also bring pain to the heart. Sitting alone on a cloudy day, gazing out the window into the dry, lonely field. Days and loves gone by. Forced loneliness. Obivion. Guess it depends on the perspective. "when you dig down deep, you lose good sleep" JM ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 18:16:14 -0500 From: "Dolphie Bush" Subject: comfortinmelancholy oblivion. maybe obivion would be a better place. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 19:49:02 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Tears of Stone - --- byron bentley wrote: > They are the Screaming Orphans. A few years ago I > saw them live as the > opening act for Sinead O'Connor, where during her > set they served as > back up vocals and added some very elaborate > harmonies. > Byron > Figures I'd get it wrong - and I also thought it was just a made-up name along the lines of "The Lookout Mountain United Downstairs Choir". Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 19:59:43 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Radio VLJC - long - --- "Brenda J. Walker" wrote: > > > I feel as Catherine does though - countercultures > will emerge. Now although > there could be several reasons for it, midyear music > sales (since the shutdown of > Napster) are down about 9%. Yet, independent labels > that put out DJ or > "electronic" music are thriving and experiencing > market growth. > YES!!! Viva la revolucion! Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 20:25:09 -0400 From: dsk Subject: Re: comfortinmelancholy Dolphie Bush wrote: > > oblivion. maybe obivion would be a better place. Nah, not unless it's the kind of oblivion that's transcendent, like laying on your back in the grass, feeling tickled and looking at the clouds moving across the sky, or standing in the shallow waves at the beach and looking down and not being quite sure what's moving, you or the beach or just the water. Where do you end and uncontrollable nature start? Or listening to Joni with just a candle for light and where does her experience end and yours begin? Sometimes there's no separation. Comfort in melancholy is not ALL that Joni shares with us. She experiences it, accepts it (which is where the comfort comes in, I think), learns from it and moves through it. Welcome to the list, Dolphie. How and when did you discover Joni? Debra Shea, taking a break from literally tearing my place apart... well, emptying closets and drawers and moving furniture... the kind of reorganizing and throwing out and cleaning that involves complete chaos... I kind of like it... it's the putting it all back together that will probably be painful ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 19:37:33 -0500 From: "Dolphie Bush" Subject: [none] I found Joni a few years ago. Years before that back in Lubbock Texas I had a very dear friend named Jeff who originally turned me on to her but I wasn't evolved enough at the time to understand it all. Then, I found Blue. Then Court and Spark, and then For the Roses. Have found that most cannot grasp what Joni tells us, or do not care, or are just not there. Now, here in physical and real oblivion, I long for those days and those folks with whom I shared those things and found this site and I am very happy to see that I am not alone. Joni helps me through the days, and the nights, and the forever. Of course, I do not have to expound on her virtues here. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 20:47:21 EDT From: Olivercrum@aol.com Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2001 #362 God Give Me Strength is a song Linda Ronstadt could sing the ....out of! I don't know if I were her, I would give EC the time of day though, but he is so good I would forgive him his youthful, stupid comments. Linda and Elvis Costello could be a great project...or at least I think so. Oliver Crum ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 17:59:14 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Don't buy Cowboy Junkies Greatest Hits cd! The following message is in a pop up window on the Cowboy Junkies web site. I thought it might be of interest in view of recent discussions on the state of the music business and the audacity of the big labels. The band is actually condoning the downloading of the 'Greatest Hits' tracks off the web in lieu of buying the 'official' cd. Mark E A Junkies Plea Toronto's The Cowboy Junkies are begging fans to not buy the RCA/BMG endorsed greatest hits compilation. Band members inserted an angry pop-up message on their official website. "We ask that if you are a fan of the band that you please don't buy it," reads the message. According to the note, the band was not contacted and told of the album's imminent release, nor were they consulted on track selections and cover art. Apparently RCA/BMB is releasing a Cowboy Junkies greatest hits compilation without even telling the band about it. The following comes from Cowboy Junkies - Greatest Hits Sometime this month RCA/BMG will be releasing a "greatest hits" compilation. We have absolutely nothing to do with this release. We have not been consulted about any details, from the track selection to the artwork, and were not even given the courtesy of a phone call to let us know that this release was being scheduled. This release is a huge insult to us and we ask that if you are a fan of the band that you please don't buy it. All of the tracks on this compilation are available on our other studio releases, which are available through the Junk Store. If you must have these specific tracks in this specific order then: find them on the Internet, download them for free and burn them on to a CD....you have our blessing. - - the Cowboy Junkies ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 18:05:57 -0700 From: "Brenda J. Walker" Subject: Re: Don't buy Cowboy Junkies Greatest Hits cd! Something similar happened with Aimee Mann: http://www.aimeemann.com/news/letter1.html Brenda Mark or Travis wrote: > The following message is in a pop up window on the Cowboy Junkies web > site. I thought it might be of interest in view of recent discussions > on the state of the music business and the audacity of the big labels. > The band is actually condoning the downloading of the 'Greatest Hits' > tracks off the web in lieu of buying the 'official' cd. > > Mark E > > A Junkies Plea > Toronto's The Cowboy Junkies are begging fans to not buy the RCA/BMG > endorsed greatest hits compilation. Band members inserted an angry > pop-up message on their official website. > > "We ask that if you are a fan of the band that you please don't buy > it," reads the message. > > According to the note, the band was not contacted and told of the > album's imminent release, nor were they consulted on track selections > and cover art. > > Apparently RCA/BMB is releasing a Cowboy Junkies greatest hits > compilation without even telling the band about it. The following > comes from Cowboy Junkies - Greatest Hits > > Sometime this month RCA/BMG will be releasing a "greatest hits" > compilation. We have absolutely nothing to do with this release. We > have not been consulted about any details, from the track selection to > the artwork, and were not even given the courtesy of a phone call to > let us know that this release was being scheduled. > > This release is a huge insult to us and we ask that if you are a fan > of the band that you please don't buy it. All of the tracks on this > compilation are available on our other studio releases, which are > available through the Junk Store. If you must have these specific > tracks in this specific order then: find them on the Internet, > download them for free and burn them on to a CD....you have our > blessing. > > - the Cowboy Junkies ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 22:33:31 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Don't buy Cowboy Junkies Greatest Hits cd! - --- "Brenda J. Walker" wrote: > Something similar happened with Aimee Mann: > > http://www.aimeemann.com/news/letter1.html > > Brenda > > Mark or Travis wrote: > > > The following message is in a pop up window on the > Cowboy Junkies web > > site. I thought it might be of interest in view > of recent discussions > > on the state of the music business and the > audacity of the big labels. > > The band is actually condoning the downloading of > the 'Greatest Hits' > > tracks off the web in lieu of buying the > 'official' cd. > > Call me naive, but how are these companies allowed to do this WITHOUT the permission of the artist(s)? And aren't the Cowboy Junkies and Aimee Mann independents? Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 22:40:45 -0400 From: "jlamadoo, home account" Subject: Audiophile's Corner: "Mingus" as a Promo LP, 100% JC, Long as usual Here's your intrepid audiophile, tracking primo vinyl where ever the trail leads. This time I've found a Promotional Copy of "Mingus" in the local used record store. Okay, yeah, there are a few crackles but vinyl does some things better than the CD's limited specifications allow it to do. (www.stereophile.com) So, let's look at what we left behind when we entered the CD age. There's an enhanced liveliness to her vocals that I don't remember hearing on my regular issue LP version (although I loved the music!). This copy presents her dynamic range better than anything I've ever heard except maybe my Promo Copy of "For The Roses". (Are you there, Running Water?) When she whispers, it just sounds like a whisper. This is hard to describe. It does not sound like a "recording" of a whisper. It sounds like a lack of compression, (Randy?) so I'm thinking that the Promos were made from lower generation tapes. (Technospeak: Short signal paths sound better. See "The Trinity Session" by the Cowboy Junkies. Hi Mark! I'm seeing Margo on Saturday night- woo hoo!) You can easily hear her breathing in places and the cymbals sound much better than I remember on my standard issue. Another example is at the end of "Sweet Sucker Dance" when Jaco is playing his repeating figure. On all other versions I have, the band smears into the bass as they take turns doing counterpoint, (is that the right word?). Everyone's part is clearer here. This aliveness is also evident in the snap of the brushes on the hi-hat on the same track. In "Dry Cleaner From Des Moines", the cymbals of the tambourine and the horns breathe better. Significantly though, the real joy isn't analytical. It's just that this copy ________________________________ gets out of the way of the music ________________________________ better than my CD copy. Maybe someday "Mingus" will be available with this kind of quality in a premium digital format like DVD-Audio for $30.00 list. It's not a given though. Who's to say if the 30 year old two track master is in the right hands, and if it was stored correctly? What if they decide to put Shorter in the rear channels of a 5.1 mix? Or have him swirling around the room at the end of "Dry Cleaner"? [Hey, "Wayne Swirled"! Hi David!] For now, I guess I'll just have to make do with this wonderful vinyl for $2.99. :) Joan and me look up. There's a sign up on the awning. It says, ' **USED VINYL** swings hard! ' An', there's one reborn little vinyl junkie dancin' there..... tonight. Lamadoo P.S. I love writing for you guys. np: S&L version of Amelia, a form of mother's milk, no? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 20:28:13 -0700 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: pope only asked joni and bob shane mattison wrote: > it is well known that dylan performed for the pope at the world eucharistic > congress in bologna... > but it wasn't well known that dylan said he was the only 'american' asked to > do so...other than joni mitchell... And she declined. Way to go, girl. "While the pope owns 51% of General Motors And the stock exchange is the only thing he's qualified to quote us..." -George Harrison I have a pic from the newspaper of Bob playing for the pope. A reminder of how bizarre things can get. John Paul is looking on with his hand cupped to his mouth, it looks like he's yelling "Freeee Birrrd!!!!!!" Dylan wears a cowboy hat. The pope later said "I'll tell you how many roads a man can walk down. Only one, only one road" (not exact quote). RR > > http://www.edlis.org/twice/threads/dylan_hospitalization_update.html > shane ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2001 #259 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she?