From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2001 #257 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Wednesday, August 22 2001 Volume 2001 : Number 257 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. Information on the 4th "Annual" New England JoniFest: http://www.jmdl.com/jfne2001.cfm ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Today in Joni History: August 21 [les@jmdl.com] This is a joke right? ["shane mattison" ] Yes Sir, she's ma baby ["William Waddell" ] Re: This is a joke, right? [colin ] Got to get ourselves ... ["William Waddell" ] This is a joke, right? ["kerry" ] Re: Snuggly Paz [Steve Polifka ] Re: Hope Magazine [Relayer211@aol.com] Re: This is a joke, right? ["Lori R. Fye" ] Subject: Re: Subject: Radio VLJC ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: This is a joke, right? [Don Rowe ] Re: Radio Daze ["denknee" ] An unbelievably difficult trivia question [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: An unbelievably difficult trivia question [colin ] Re: Radio VLJC - long [Catherine McKay ] Anne Sandstrom's CD [Catherine McKay ] Re: This is a joke, right? [Catherine McKay ] RE: An unbelievably difficult trivia question ["Deb Messling" ] Tears of Stone [Mags ] Re: An unbelievably difficult trivia question ["hell" ] more on tears of stone [Mags ] !"#$ [janine sherman ] Joni Mpg [Michael Paz ] In this moody sky today ["William Waddell" ] jennifer & leonard but no joni ["Kate Bennett" ] collaborations ["shane mattison" ] radio VLJC ["gene mock" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 03:05:17 -0400 From: les@jmdl.com Subject: Today in Joni History: August 21 On August 21 in Joni Mitchell History: 1974: Joni performs the second of two nights at Temple University in Ambler, Pennsylvania, a suburb of Philadelphia. - ------------------------ Search the "Today" database: http://www.jmdl.com/today ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 01:54:55 -0600 From: "shane mattison" Subject: This is a joke right? jenny wrote: <> "penis"on the Hejira cover is >> Joni's left wrist disappearing into her pocket of >> her coat, right? >> but jenny, what's her hand doing in her coat? While driving, no less! i'd sure sweat if she did that as she's singin' Black Crow while drivin' me... wouldn't you? "i drove with the lady with the hole in her pockets....didn't it feel good didn't it feel goo....ooo....ooo...oood, dint'tfeelgud...." sheesh... richard in detroit in '68 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 02:53:17 -0500 From: "William Waddell" Subject: Yes Sir, she's ma baby I find it interesting that there's now and again mention of Yes on the JMDL. Somewhere along the line sensibilities evidently concur. I was a huge Yes fan before I knew Joni. Paz mentioned Roundabout just there and I must say that that song has great memories for me. The played backwards opening piano note was so Wayne's World cool. "Close to the Edge" was then, as "Paprika Plains" is now, in a way. I remember being at high school and the coolest thing you could do was to walk around with an LP - preferably "Fragile" or "Hunky Dory". At seventeen, in the art department, the coolest thing you could do, in our eyes, was drop "Court and Spark" into a conversation about getting laid. (All talk I might add). That and "Harvest". A man needs a maid. Ho! Such days. Willy the Shake _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 09:20:14 +0100 From: colin Subject: Re: This is a joke, right? Catherine McKay wrote: > --- colin wrote: > > > If it's penes you seek (that's the plural, > > pronounced like "pea knees") > > > > it's peni-pronounced pee nigh!!!!! ;-) > > Nope. It would only be peni if the singular were > penus. okay-I took Latin for about 6 weeks so i'll bow to your superior knowledge here! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 04:48:21 -0500 From: "William Waddell" Subject: Got to get ourselves ... Some time ago, a Canadian friend of mine (that's the NJC waiver), sent me reams of script of how, I think it was General Motors, way back in the day, bought up a whole load of land across the great USA that belonged to what might have been the former AMTRAK company, if there was one, to literally, rip up the railroads. The US has undoubtedly the worst railway system I have encountered in the 1st world. Though I must say getting to Wallagoogoo in NSW on a Sunday is well ... Corporatism sucks. Joni reflected that in her Reagan year albums. Please Georgeous save us from another ... There's an ad on US TV about some woman who works for Shell and she's a geologist who, in my eyes, has sold her soul, (I'm not so au fait with that phrase but), for this George Wobble you Bush. I'm no hippy but we got to get ourselves back to ... No surprise there are activists at G8 summits. Everything in modernation. Bechaysuz! 4:42 am and I'm ranting away. WTS _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 07:36:15 EDT From: AzeemAK@aol.com Subject: Re: Radio VLJC - long In a message dated 21/08/01 04:12:36 GMT Daylight Time, brenda@killinggoliath.com writes: << Clear Channel does not care about listeners. They want the broadest audience possible to deliver to advertisers. So the songs which make it on air are the ones that are least likely to offend people. I recall sitting in a meeting with a radio research company where they basically explained that the corporate radio owners wanted songs that do not illicit strong emotions, either positive or negative. What a laugh, right!? >> This is so deeply depressing, Brenda, that it almost beggars belief. Don't these people have souls?? And so the relentless homogenisation of everything that can be prostituted to turn a profit continues apace. As to the Radio Station as a Computer Software Programme phenomenon, we already have that here; records are categorised according to their genre, bpm, "mood" and so on. I can just picture the wonks scratching their heads over anything more complicated than Baby I Love You. "So, Refuge of the Roads. It's, like, jazz, wouldn't you say?" "Nah, it's got a chick singing on it, so it's singer-songwriter." "Whatever. BPM is too slow to measure. That's not good." "And mood? It kinda sounds downbeat, right?" "Yeah, but it's got a moon/June rhyme, so maybe we can put it under In A Mellow Melancholy Mood" Etc etc. Azeem ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 08:12:22 -0400 From: "Blair Fraipont" Subject: Re: Impromptu Joni Cover Why Hells Bells! Yes, that is who I was talking about!! What a small world it tis. Bob there are so many volumes of covers already, the library of Congress should look you up. Blair-de-la-Blig _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 07:24:54 -0500 From: "kerry" Subject: This is a joke, right? Catherine wrote: - - --- Jennymac48@aol.com wrote: > Kids, we DO know that the so called mysterious > "penis"on the Hejira cover is > Joni's left wrist disappearing into her pocket of > her coat, right? With a > thin bracelet causing the fisherman's hat effect, > yes? Then Catherine: "Some of you have *very* sick minds. I'm seriously worried about you. How many of this came up with this independently? How many of you started looking for this stuff after reading "Subliminal seduction" (remember that one?) I had to dig out the damn album and look really close at it, and now it will never be the same. " I just hope no one tells me that Joni's "Turbulent Indigo" painting has a penis in it! It's hanging on my bedroom wall! Eek! Kerry ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 08:29:13 -0500 From: Steve Polifka Subject: Re: Snuggly Paz >Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 21:53:39 -0700 >From: Michael Paz >Subject: Re: birthdays NJC >I ALWAYS feel snuggly! >Paz I bet you do... (tee hee) Steve ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 10:29:22 EDT From: Relayer211@aol.com Subject: Re: Hope Magazine In a message dated 8/21/01 9:56:53 AM Eastern Daylight Time, yharlap@yahoo.com writes: << Yeah, and it is the same way for all corporate-owned media, including TV. It was a real eye-opener for me relatively recently to read somewhere (I wish I could remember where...) that the purpose of television has become to deliver an audience to advertisers. I had basically known it but it was put so clearly... We are the product. It really sucks. Yay, yay, corporate globalization, here we come. Blech. -Yael >> Yep that's the way it is. Huge corporations own just about everything now.you may have read about this in Hope Magazine. For those who haven't heard of Hope, I STRONGLY recommend it. It's a wonderful,extremly positive magazine. I have a feeling many people here will LOVE it like I do. the address is: http://www.hopemag.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 08:04:06 -0700 (PDT) From: "Lori R. Fye" Subject: Re: This is a joke, right? Julius wrote: > I knew *that* Jenny, but your "fisherman's hat effect" allusion is a new > wrinkle. Pun intended, or not? ; ) > Now I visualize a penis-man standing at the front of some fishing vessel's > stormy deck, with a head made of one of those slick yellow hats...and > an eye patch... Is this an allusion to the "one-eyed wonder worm?" > If it's penes you seek (that's the plural, pronounced like "pea knees") in > Joni's cover art, see her "Sweet Sucker Dance" painting on the sleeve of > "Mingus". List members concur that there's a member there, no? Yes, there certainly is a member there! Now, for the sake of further discussion: Joni, being always our Lady of Duality, must have had several -- if not MANY -- proofs from which to choose the cover photo of Hejira, even if she created the cover completely by herself (did she? I'm at work and don't have handy reference). So ... does anyone think it a coincidence that she chose THAT particular image for the cover of the album that includes the very obvious lyrical synonym, "boom-boom-pachyderm?" Lori, grinning in DC ~ Make international calls for as low as $0.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 09:45:39 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Subject: Re: Subject: Radio VLJC Once again Brenda comes through with an amazing amount of inside information...thank you Brenda!!!! ******************************************** Kate Bennett www.katebennett.com sponsored by Polysonics www.polysonics.com Discover the Indies at Taylor Guitars: http://www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/bennett.html ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 11:18:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Don Rowe Subject: Re: This is a joke, right? - --- "Lori R. Fye" wrote: > does anyone think it a coincidence that she chose > THAT particular image for the cover of the album > that includes the very obvious lyrical synonym, > "boom-boom-pachyderm?" Shame on you Lori. You KNOW that line's just a reference to a jazz rhythmic figure ... Joni said so herself. And we all know Joni Mitchell NEVER lies ... ;-) Don Rowe ===== Visit me anytime at http://www.mp3.com/donrowe Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 14:24:26 -0400 From: "denknee" Subject: Re: Radio Daze Clear Channel also seems to be the home, of sorts, to such delightful programming as Dr. Lala and Rush Limblech. That alone is enough to put them on my shit list. I only listen to public radio and two local college stations (WRCT of Carnegie Mellon Universtiy) and WPTS (University of Pittsburgh). I worked for 12 years in commercial radio (in the Sharon, Pa. / Youngstown, Ohio market - I left 16 years ago). I don't wanna hear it anymore. The 'Hejira' cover info brought me a great laugh (and I so like to laugh, thank you). I gotta say I felt a bit ripped on the 'Clouds' cover, tho. But (as Van the Man would say) thanks for the information. denknee ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 16:01:21 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: An unbelievably difficult trivia question I've had They Might Be Giants (the band, not the film) on the brain for awhile, and in the midst of connecting them to Joni discovered at least two different songwriters that have been covered by both Joni & TMBG. Anyone who can figure out 2 different songwriters that have been covered by both Joni & They Might Be Giants can pick a prize from my treasure chest o' Joni! On another note, why do I even think about shit like this? ;~) Bob NP: Tuck & Patti, "Hold Out, Hold Up, and Hold On" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 23:48:03 +0100 From: colin Subject: Re: An unbelievably difficult trivia question SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: > I've had They Might Be Giants (the band, not the film) on the brain for awhile, and in the midst of connecting them to Joni discovered at least two different songwriters that have been covered by both Joni & TMBG. Anyone who can figure out 2 different songwriters that have been covered by both Joni Only one comes to mind and that was the guy who wrote How Do You Stop(Dan Hartman?). I wasn't aware that Joni covered anyone really tho are there a couple of covers on WTRF? I.m off to bed so can;t be bothered to go look at the sleeve! > & They Might Be Giants can pick a prize from my treasure chest o' Joni! > > On another note, why do I even think about shit like this? ;~) > > Bob > > NP: Tuck & Patti, "Hold Out, Hold Up, and Hold On" - -- bw colin DAK,BRO GC, 950i 940,860,864, 260, 890,Silver 830 and 270, Passap 6000 Duo80 colin@tantra-apso.com http://www.tantra-apso.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 20:01:36 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Radio VLJC - --- "Brenda J. Walker" > > As far as the request line goes, it means absolutely > nothing at most radio > stations now. The corporate owned stations aren't > even programmed by people > anymore. There is a software system at the > corporate headquarters where songs are > selected based on certain metadata. I'm going to guess that the same thing goes on here in Canada, because most of the radio stations you listen to could be anywhere in Canada or the USA. And I know that the station my kids listen to (the one that plays the kid-pop/dance music sort of thing) supposedly takes *requests* but my daughter's friend called to request something and they TOLD her what to request - in return for this, the kid gets to announce the song and the station's call letters, so the kids will do this just to get on the radio. Once the kid made a request (can't remember who it was, but if you said Back Street Boys or 'NSync, it would be a good guess) - then the DJ asked the kid if she liked the group, and she said No! Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 20:25:11 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Radio VLJC - long - --- AzeemAK@aol.com wrote: > This is so deeply depressing, Brenda, that it almost > beggars belief. Don't > these people have souls?? And so the relentless > homogenisation of everything > that can be prostituted to turn a profit continues > apace. As to the Radio > Station as a Computer Software Programme phenomenon, > we already have that > here; records are categorised according to their > genre, bpm, "mood" and so > on. I'm a big believer in the pendulum swinging. Weather changes, nothing stays the same, so I see that something good MAY come out of all this - people will rebel against the rampant consumerism and homogenisation and countercultures will develop. It has happened before and it will happen again - just you wait and see. It'll be like hippy days all over again ('cept different). I hope... Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 20:29:56 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Anne Sandstrom's CD I am listening right now to Anne Sandstrom's CD which arrived in the post today. I want everyone on this list to know how very impressed I am - Anne, you have such a beautiful voice and your songs are absolutely lovely. I feel so privileged to be on this list and to get to hear all this beautiful music I'd never have heard of if it weren't for this wonderful community of souls. NP Anne Sandstrom - Seaside Day Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 20:46:06 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: This is a joke, right? - --- kerry wrote: > I just hope no one tells me that Joni's "Turbulent > Indigo" painting has a > penis in it! It's hanging on my bedroom wall! Eek! > If it does, I don't even want to know. Nothing will ever be the same for me... Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 20:50:40 -0400 From: "Deb Messling" Subject: RE: An unbelievably difficult trivia question Both Joni and TMBG covered a Rodgers and Hart song. Joni did "I Wish I Were in Love Again," and TMBG did "Lady is a Tramp." Now, Rodgers and Hart are undisputedly two different songwriters, even though they collaborated on songs. So I think this answer fits Bob's specific question. Right? Bob challenged: >Anyone who can figure out 2 different songwriters that have been covered by both Joni & They Might Be Giants can pick a prize from my treasure chest o' Joni ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 20:55:31 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: This is a joke, right? - --- Don Rowe wrote: > --- "Lori R. Fye" wrote: > > > does anyone think it a coincidence that she chose > > THAT particular image for the cover of the album > > that includes the very obvious lyrical synonym, > > "boom-boom-pachyderm?" > > Shame on you Lori. You KNOW that line's just a > reference to a jazz rhythmic figure ... Joni said so > herself. And we all know Joni Mitchell NEVER lies > ... > ;-) > But she has been known to stretch the truth... Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 22:04:14 -0400 From: Mags Subject: Tears of Stone I am sure that this has been discussed many a time on the list so please bear with me as I visit this place for the first time. Tonight, I have discovered this most magnificent work. Do yourself a favour....run do not walk to the nearest cd site or store or wherever you get your cds and pick up Tears of Stone by the Chieftans. An incredible collection of women's voices, aching hearts, falling tears...and our Joan is in the centre of things with Magdalene Laundries...and what a heart wrenching version it is. I am not sure who is singing along with her ... it is soulful and moving to the core. Mags np: Tears of Stone in the next room... the CD is not in front of me so I cannot tell you which cut this is. Thank you Brei xoxox - -- And this loving is a drawing close, a tuning in, an opening. Until one perfect moment; but how can it be expressed? A receiving, an enfolding as I cradle you in my arms. Within my heart, within my soul, You are my true love. --Lui Collins - --- _~O / /\_, ___/\ /_ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 14:26:41 +1200 From: "hell" Subject: Re: An unbelievably difficult trivia question Bob wrote: > I've had They Might Be Giants (the band, not the film) on the > brain for awhile, and in the midst of connecting them to Joni > discovered at least two different songwriters that have been > covered by both Joni & TMBG. Anyone who can figure out > 2 different songwriters that have been covered by both Joni & > They Might Be Giants can pick a prize from my treasure chest > o' Joni! I think I might have the answer (after a period of sleuthing, when I was meant to be working)! The first (most obvious) is Lorenz Hart/Richard Rogers who wrote "I Wish I Were In Love Again", covered by Joni, and "Lady Is A Tramp", covered by TMBG. The other one took a little more time to track down (and may be wrong) but Zaret co-wrote "Why Does The Sun Shine? (The Sun Is A Mass Of Incandescent Gas)" - Singer/Zaret, covered by TMBG, and also co-wrote "Unchained Melody" - North/Zaret, covered by Joni (sort of) in Chinese Cafe. Am I right? Do I win a prize? What do I get? Oooh, I hope I win a prize! > On another note, why do I even think about shit like this? ;~) Good question. I think it relates directly to your musical sluttiness, or an interest in trivia generally. But don't worry, many others suffer from the same affliction, myself included! Hell ____________________________ "To have great poets, there must be great audiences too." - Walt Whitman hell@ihug.co.nz Hell's Personal Photo Page: http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hell/main/personal.htm Visit the NBLs (Natural Born Losers) at: http://www.nbls.co.nz ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 22:52:29 -0400 From: Mags Subject: more on tears of stone http://www.escape.ca/~skinner/chieftains/tears.html I found this little page with the details. thanks for the bandwidth. just couldnt let this one lie. mags. again, thanks to my brei. - -- And this loving is a drawing close, a tuning in, an opening. Until one perfect moment; but how can it be expressed? A receiving, an enfolding as I cradle you in my arms. Within my heart, within my soul, You are my true love. --Lui Collins - --- _~O / /\_, ___/\ /_ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 23:05:47 -0400 (EDT) From: janine sherman Subject: !"#$ [demime 0.97c removed an attachment of type image/gif which had a name of CPQStart.exe] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 22:40:11 -0700 From: Michael Paz Subject: Joni Mpg Hi all- Just got an mpg sent to me of Joni and Croz and Stephen on the Dick Cavett show. Its is just an excerpt (4 meg worth) but really cool. Iff anyone is interested and you have a broadband commection I would be happy to share it with you. Peace Michael ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 23:06:54 -0500 From: "William Waddell" Subject: In this moody sky today Is there comfort in melancholy? WTS _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 21:34:02 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: jennifer & leonard but no joni jennifer warnes played up here in sb recently...jeff went to see her but i was in nashville then..he said she sounded great... yes leonard has left the monestary...a friend of mine was one of his singers & stays in touch with him... ******************************************** Kate Bennett www.katebennett.com sponsored by Polysonics www.polysonics.com Discover the Indies at Taylor Guitars: http://www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/bennett.html ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 01:04:06 -0600 From: "shane mattison" Subject: collaborations interested in pursuing joni's work with paul horn, one of my few all-time favourites, i realized that joni has worked with jimmy webb: JIMMY WEBB, "LANDS END" Asylum #SD 5070 * Feet In The Sunshine shane ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 23:55:56 -0700 From: "gene mock" Subject: radio VLJC hello all, there is an alternative------------and that is local community fm radio. here in the western foothill of the sierra nevada is kvmr, nevada city. i've picked some good music the likes of joni, tom payne, dar williams, our kate bennett, doug ingoldsby, jonatha,john mc cutcheon-------anyway you get the picture. and the great thing about this station it can be access via net radio. the format is very much like what the old ksan use to be. hope you guys give them try. thanks and take care gene have fun at ashara's hope the queen shows up. - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Catherine McKay" To: ; ; ; Cc: ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2001 #257 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she?