From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2001 #247 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Monday, August 13 2001 Volume 2001 : Number 247 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. Information on the 4th "Annual" New England JoniFest: http://www.jmdl.com/jfne2001.cfm ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Today in Joni History: August 12 [les@jmdl.com] harmony ["Kate Bennett" ] apologia pro vita sua ["shane mattison" ] Re: apologia pro vita sua,NJ [Kammass@aol.com] RE: apologia pro vita sua ["Chris Marshall" ] Remember the tags, please ["Deb Messling" ] Re: apologia pro vita sua ["Sharon L. Buffington" ] Re: The Meaning Of Life ["Martin Giles" ] Re: apologia pro vita sua (md) [MDESTE1@aol.com] The Meaning of Life [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Officially can't make JoniFest. Waaaa [TerryM2222@aol.com] Re: The Meaning of Life and being a Joni fan ["Mark or Travis" ] who was judged and who wasn't ["shane mattison" ] peace to you as well ["shane mattison" ] Re: Officially can't make JoniFest. Waaaa [Bruyere ] Re: Officially can't make JoniFest. Waaaa [Michael Paz ] Pop Music with Joni Content [Vince Lavieri ] Re: Pop Music with Joni Content [Janet Hess ] point well taken ["shane mattison" ] Re: Pop Music with Joni Content [Vince Lavieri ] Voting and politics, JMDL style [Les Irvin ] Re: point well taken ["Sharon L. Buffington" ] Re: censorship of the list [Randy Remote ] Popular Song ["William Waddell" ] re :passion play ["shane mattison" ] What I have learned of LIFE ["Thom Byrd" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2001 03:10:53 -0400 From: les@jmdl.com Subject: Today in Joni History: August 12 On August 12 in Joni Mitchell History: 1973: Rolling Stone's Random Notes page noted a few weeks after the fact: "It was quite a treat for the fortunate few who squeezed in: Joni, Neil Young, and the Eagles performed two shows tonight and last night at the Topanga Canyon Corral, a tiny club in the L.A. canyon. Admission was $4, all for the benefit of an anti-condominium movement in Topanga." - ------------------------ Search the "Today" database: http://www.jmdl.com/today ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2001 00:14:13 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: harmony Magw wrote "that girl and I always did a fine harmony together..and it was heart warming to say the very least to connect with her like that again" There is nothin in the world as amazing as family harmonies...some kind of genetic gift...keep singing together!!!! ****************************************** Kate Bennett www.katebennett.com sponsored by Polysonics www.polysonics.com Discover the Indies at Taylor Guitars: http://www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/bennett.html ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2001 04:53:42 -0600 From: "shane mattison" Subject: apologia pro vita sua how intolerant the 'tolerant' can be, of my opinion..."scholarly exegesus" can be an excuse for not searching...i am not some fundamentalist nor evangelical as some of you tried to intolerantly paint me...but i did study scripture at the highest level of this so-called "exegesus", namely my tutor was the Principal of Pusey House, Oxford... i can tell you with certainty that there has been a woeful decline in integrity in such circles of so-called 'expertise', rather similar to the genesis of the decline when it occurred in germany's ivory towers just before the rise of Hitler...there are consequences to intellectual dishonesty... churchill saw the gathering storm...and there is a gathering storm on the horizon today too... it gets tedious to hear how absolute are those who argue against the existence of absolute truth... i also believe that if i, with the good will which i did have, had been of any other world religion...my opinion would have been laudibly treated, not judged...it should make someone wonder why this is so... psychologically, you've thrown alot of projection on me...but i'm not buying it, and i have a right to not be judged by anyone as much as a buddhist or a muslim...and not treated as a fool... i have stayed at zen centers and studied and spent time in native american ceremonies...if they tell me something that is sacred to them, i treat it as sacred...i do not heap on them a volley of outrageous statements demeaning their expertise nor their motives... this then has been an exercise in prejudice against classical and orthodox christianity...and i would have hoped for more from fans of joni mitchell... as the old spiritual goes, human kindness is overflowing and i think its going to rain today... under the Great Spirit, I hold my head high tonight... shane ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2001 07:29:28 EDT From: Kammass@aol.com Subject: Re: apologia pro vita sua,NJ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2001 12:39:46 +0100 From: "Chris Marshall" Subject: RE: apologia pro vita sua > i can tell you with certainty that there has been a woeful decline in > integrity in such circles of so-called 'expertise', rather similar to the > genesis of the decline when it occurred in germany's ivory towers just before > the rise of Hitler...there are consequences to intellectual dishonesty... > churchill saw the gathering storm...and there is a gathering storm on the > horizon today too... Let me get this straight. Is this in any way directed at the other people involved in the "heart healer" discussion? It would seem to be so, judging by the recipient list. > this then has been an exercise in prejudice against classical and orthodox > christianity...and i would have hoped for more from fans of joni mitchell... > as the old spiritual goes, There's two issues here: while it seems clear that you are actually targetting this to specific people, your addressing it to a wide audience does rather tar all with the same brush. I think, somehow, that that's in appropriate. That part of your post irked me personally. Secondly, the people to whom you've directed this don't deserve your scorn. Who are _you_ to tell them how _they_ can interpret their religion, whatever it may be? Tip: name-dropping Oxford doesn't help either, partcularly in the UK. For one expressing his own dispair at the pervieved intolerance of others, you post goes a long way to making you yourself look intolerant, I'm afraid. I suggest you sit down with a cup of tea, count slowly to ten, and re-read what you wrote. - --Chris ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2001 08:52:57 -0400 From: "Deb Messling" Subject: Remember the tags, please Folks, for everyone's sanity, let's please remember our NJC tags. Recent posts on Jesus and the Middle East, and some assorted chatty stuff, have omitted the tag. With 800 subscribers, the NJC system is really important. Thanks for listening. - ----------------------------------- Deb Messling =^..^= - ----------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2001 08:16:07 -0500 From: "Sharon L. Buffington" Subject: Re: apologia pro vita sua Dear Shane: I must confess I am not sure what you are saying to me. However, if you are feeling that I am intolerant of you, you could not be more incorrect. Peace.......Sharon > shane mattison wrote: > > how intolerant the 'tolerant' can be, of my opinion..."scholarly > exegesus" can be an excuse for not searching...i am not some > fundamentalist nor evangelical as some of you tried to intolerantly > paint me...but i did study scripture at the highest level of this > so-called "exegesus", namely my tutor was the Principal of Pusey > House, Oxford... > i can tell you with certainty that there has been a woeful decline in > integrity in such circles of so-called 'expertise', rather similar to > the genesis of the decline when it occurred in germany's ivory towers > just before the rise of Hitler...there are consequences to > intellectual dishonesty... > churchill saw the gathering storm...and there is a gathering storm on > the horizon today too... > it gets tedious to hear how absolute are those who argue against the > existence of absolute truth... > i also believe that if i, with the good will which i did have, had > been of any other world religion...my opinion would have been laudibly > treated, not judged...it should make someone wonder why this is so... > psychologically, you've thrown alot of projection on me...but i'm not > buying it, and i have a right to not be judged by anyone as much as a > buddhist or a muslim...and not treated as a fool... > i have stayed at zen centers and studied and spent time in native > american ceremonies...if they tell me something that is sacred to > them, i treat it as sacred...i do not heap on them a volley of > outrageous statements demeaning their expertise nor their motives... > this then has been an exercise in prejudice against classical and > orthodox christianity...and i would have hoped for more from fans of > joni mitchell... > as the old spiritual goes, > > human kindness is overflowing > and i think its going to rain today... > > under the Great Spirit, I hold my head high tonight... > > shane ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2001 08:11:21 -0500 From: "Sybil Skelton" Subject: Religion and politics SJC Whoaa! After reading many of the recent posts around here, I recall my mother's sage advice - never discuss politics or religion, stick to sex because everyone likes that. In that vein, who is Joni boffing these days? Sybil going back to lurking now _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2001 15:01:30 +0800 From: "Martin Giles" Subject: Re: The Meaning Of Life > Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2001 22:59:44 EDT > From: Relayer211@aol.com > Subject: The Meaning of Life?(NJC) > > I am always thinking and wondering about the point and meaning of life on > this planet...It's very hard for me to understand. Does anyone have any ideas? Wow. This list isn't like Trivial Pursuit at all, is it? Seen some interesting answers to this come up already. But they all address a small part of the question, I think. Or, at least they really answer this question, "What is the meaning of MY life/our lives?" What about the rest of it though? What is the meaning of a pig's life, a daffodil's life, a microbe's life? The Hitch Hikers Guide To The Galaxy starts off with the words, "Space is big. Really big. You just won't believe how hugely, vastely, mindbogglingly big it is. I mean you might think it's a long walk down to the chemist, but that's just peanuts to Space." There is an aweful lot of it out there, getting on with stuff quite without reference to us. So my question is not so much 'what is the meaning of My life', but, 'What's The Rest Of It for?". To date, I have heard no convincing answer. Cast me into the Total Perspective Vortex! Martin. In London. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2001 11:37:06 EDT From: MDESTE1@aol.com Subject: Re: apologia pro vita sua (md) I find it both interesting and revealing that so many on the list are now telling Shane they dont understand what he just wrote. lol. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2001 12:52:37 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: The Meaning of Life And no, I didn't forget the NJC, because there will be plenty of Joni content. After all, she's why we're all here. She of course also poses the question in "Number One": "There's gotta be more to living than a mortgage and a lawn to mow"...this one line inspires me often. Relayer, your question is far too ambiguous & broad in its sweep to answer. BUT it can be rephrased to make it significant. Instead of asking the meaning of life, ask yourself (for only YOU can answer, untimately) "What is the meaning of MY life"? Turning to Joni again...in "Banquet", she runs through some of the things that we use in our search: "Some turn to Jesus And some turn to heroin Some turn to rambling round Looking for a clean sky and a drinking stream Some watch the paint peel off Some watch their kids grow up Some watch their stocks and bonds Waiting for that big deal American Dream" Pretty much sums up the different choices we make trying to find significance...religion, material things & personal wealth, travel, doing nothing, devoting ourselves to family, escaping through drugs. Just as Joni searched for her gifts and settled on her talents to make a difference in the world, so can you. Is the world a better place because Joni is in it? Surely. Is the world a better place because *we're* in it? It CAN be, if we continue to search for our gifts and share them to make the world (that is, our own little world, wherever that may be) better. Like Earth Wind & Fire said, "If you don't see any beauty then you've got to MAKE some beauty"... Joni's ultimate song about the search for life's meaning is Hejira: "I looked at those granite markers Those tributes to finality- To eternity And then I looked at myself here Chicken scratching for my immortality" Part of my fascination with Joni's work is this search that she remains on, indeed knowing that the journey IS life, and not the destination. James Taylor puts it much more simply, "The secret of life is enjoying the passage of time..." simple but very profound. So how can your life have meaning, Relayer? Take a look around and see where you're needed and where you can make a difference. And enjoy the passage of time along the way. Bob ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2001 14:04:11 EDT From: TerryM2222@aol.com Subject: Officially can't make JoniFest. Waaaa Hi friends old and new- Well, I tried till the last minute to get to Ashara's, but can't. My kids start school on different weeks and we are fitting in a family vacation next week. Since everyone's schedule is so wacky here, we couldn't do it sooner. That makes it impossible for me to come to JoniFest- for the 2nd year in a row! I wish it could be on a different weekend. Getting kids started up for school is a major mess as I have to be so diligent with one of my kids who has special needs. So, though I'll miss all of you, I am happy for those who can make it. I know you'll have a blast. Love, Terry www.addconsults.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2001 11:20:46 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: The Meaning of Life and being a Joni fan > Some turn to Jesus > Some turn to heroin > Some turn to ramblin' 'round > Looking for a clean sky > And a drinking stream > Some watch the paint peel off > Some watch their kids grow up > Some watch their stocks & bonds > Waitin' for that big deal > American dream I hadn't read Bob's post before I posted these lyrics. You're right, Bob. Joni addresses the question over & over again. She's not content to write about the mundane & inconsequential. She digs deep. She analyzes. She is always searching. Just like all of us here. I think this is a big part of why we all love her so much. I know we've talked about this over & over again but I was turning it over in my head again the other day. Why Joni? Why, when Travis first brought a computer into this house, was the first think I looked for on the web, Joni Mitchell? There are other artists I love, some I've followed almost as religiously as Joni but for some reason she is the one I identify with the most. In some way, she helps me define myself. I am a Joni Mitchell fan. Doesn't that say something about all of us? It makes it possible for us all to come together in all of our glorious diversity and share our thoughts & feelings, this love of the art of Joni Mitchell. If someone says, 'I love Joni', that says something about them that commands a certain respect and implied affection. We can pretty much know we're dealing with someone who has a certain amount of depth, someone who thinks & feels deeply about life and love and all of the important things that concern us all. Also someone who loves music and is not afraid to move beyond the commonplace and ordinary and explore the vast amount of music that is outside of the Top 40. More & more I wish I could be at Ashara's this year. Like Wally, I feel this year is going to be something extraordinary. Be sure I will be with you all in spirit. Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2001 11:07:16 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: RE: JMDL Digest V2001 #345 yes, related to that, i love the symbol of yin/yang because each side has a little dot of the other in it... victor wrote "everything seems to be built around paradoxes...light and dark, night and day, life and death, the heart and the mind...all these equal and opposite things that seem to completely at odds with each other and yet are interwoven together so finely that it seems impossible to separate them from each other. " ******************************************** Kate Bennett www.katebennett.com sponsored by Polysonics www.polysonics.com Discover the Indies at Taylor Guitars: http://www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/bennett.html ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2001 13:23:25 -0600 From: "shane mattison" Subject: who was judged and who wasn't chris marshall questioned my motives for including kakki and sharon on my recipient list... but if you check the recent correspondances on this list, very friendly correspondance was made between us three...a copy was sent to them because i valued that...since when is it the duty of chris marshall to say what i meant by including them as recipients? in the case of kakki, i have valued her as a friend who i visited in LA and we keep emailing one another every few days about many topics and interests...in the case of sharon, we exchanged many chuckles as of very recent time...when i sent my 'apologia', it was not meant as an attack, therefore, against them personally, and the principle of justice is "innocent until proven guilty and not the other way round"... and in the text itself i didn't mention names at all to keep 'apologia vita sua' from being misconstrued personally, unlike chris marshall directing his attack by singling out me or what i wrote as 'intolerant'... and it seems to me he fails to see that many things were said indiscriminately by various people tarring and feathering those of christian belief, which as anyone knows, if they read their shakespeare, is a category of both rogues and saints and everything in-between...thus 'apologia pro vita sua' is just what its title suggests, a defense made of the faith from various and sundry demeaning inferences... the proof that chris marshall did not carefully read what i said is that he quotes me out of context...i mention the ivory towers, the so-called places of 'exegetical expertise', and then suggest the historical decline of integrity "in such places"...how can he infer that this is talking about kakki or sharon? then he attacks for my mentioning my studies at Oxford as "name-dropping"...but if he had read the posts preceding my 'apologia', he would have found the inference in response to my opinion of "passion play" that certain people misuse prophetical interpretation and that this should be left to the experts of "exegesus", implying therefore that my opinion was not worthy of being as highly regarded as such experts, whoever they may be...and so i denied this by saying i have the credentials which someone suggested i lacked... finally, chris marshall repeats the charge of intolerance....presumably based on the above? thus he makes a personal judgment against me, something i did not do against any one particular person... the judging me and my opinion goes on, but i had a right to say who i thought the heart healer is...He is someone i have tried to love...would i have been honest if i had not included my opinion about a friend or said nothing about what i think he may be like? but now that i have done so, i really would like to discuss music...i've had a few tarrings lately, including being sent to my home computer...why not accept that i mean no one any offense for my defense...and let's get on with the music, if people would be so kind as not to send me their attacks anymore on this issue to my home... shane ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2001 13:32:37 -0600 From: "shane mattison" Subject: peace to you as well seems like i may have ruffled a few feathers by my defence of myself, but i want to say that your peaceful offers are most thoroughly and heartfully accepted, and please accept my apologies if any of you felt personally attacked... i have greatly enjoyed our recent 'many chuckles' and hope that these can continue as we get off the explosive subject of religious beliefs... shane ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2001 15:20:38 -0400 From: Bruyere Subject: Re: Officially can't make JoniFest. Waaaa we will miss you terry! heather At 02:04 PM 8/12/01 -0400, TerryM2222@aol.com wrote: >Hi friends old and new- > >Well, I tried till the last minute to get to Ashara's, but can't. My kids >start school on different weeks and we are fitting in a family vacation next >week. Since everyone's schedule is so wacky here, we couldn't do it sooner. > >That makes it impossible for me to come to JoniFest- for the 2nd year in a >row! I wish it could be on a different weekend. Getting kids started up for >school is a major mess as I have to be so diligent with one of my kids who >has special needs. > >So, though I'll miss all of you, I am happy for those who can make it. I know >you'll have a blast. > >Love, >Terry > >www.addconsults.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2001 14:37:03 -0700 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: Officially can't make JoniFest. Waaaa sad news for me. Now I will NEVER learn WOHAM. We will miss you Terry. Paz on 8/12/01 11:04 AM, TerryM2222@aol.com at TerryM2222@aol.com wrote: > Hi friends old and new- > > Well, I tried till the last minute to get to Ashara's, but can't. My kids > start school on different weeks and we are fitting in a family vacation next > week. Since everyone's schedule is so wacky here, we couldn't do it sooner. > > That makes it impossible for me to come to JoniFest- for the 2nd year in a > row! I wish it could be on a different weekend. Getting kids started up for > school is a major mess as I have to be so diligent with one of my kids who > has special needs. > > So, though I'll miss all of you, I am happy for those who can make it. I know > you'll have a blast. > > Love, > Terry > > www.addconsults.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2001 15:12:59 -0500 From: "Sharon L. Buffington" Subject: Re: who was judged and who wasn't Dear Shane: I am the one who brought up scholarly exegesis and I shall try to make myself clear here. By scholars I meant those persons who have to translate the old language of the bible into English. That their view of what they translate (hopefully) is literal and does not carry with it the same connotations that those who choose to interpret the bible use...for example...some people can point to portions of the bible to say that Blacks are inferior...or that being gay is an abomination...whatever. That was my only point...that there is often a great difference between what the scholars translate and how we later interpret things.... Peace.........Sharon > shane mattison wrote: > > chris marshall questioned my motives for including kakki and sharon on > my recipient list... > > but if you check the recent correspondances on this list, very > friendly correspondance was made between us three...a copy was sent to > them because i valued that...since when is it the duty of chris > marshall to say what i meant by including them as recipients? in the > case of kakki, i have valued her as a friend who i visited in LA and > we keep emailing one another every few days about many topics and > interests...in the case of sharon, we exchanged many chuckles as of > very recent time...when i sent my 'apologia', it was not meant as an > attack, therefore, against them personally, and the principle of > justice is "innocent until proven guilty and not the other way > round"... > > and in the text itself i didn't mention names at all to keep 'apologia > vita sua' from being misconstrued personally, unlike chris marshall > directing his attack by singling out me or what i wrote as > 'intolerant'... > > and it seems to me he fails to see that many things were said > indiscriminately by various people tarring and feathering those > of christian belief, which as anyone knows, if they read their > shakespeare, is a category of both rogues and saints and everything > in-between...thus 'apologia pro vita sua' is just what its title > suggests, a defense made of the faith from various and sundry > demeaning inferences... > > the proof that chris marshall did not carefully read what i said is > that he quotes me out of context...i mention the ivory towers, > the so-called places of 'exegetical expertise', and then suggest the > historical decline of integrity "in such places"...how can he infer > that this is talking about kakki or sharon? > > then he attacks for my mentioning my studies at Oxford as > "name-dropping"...but if he had read the posts preceding my > 'apologia', he would have found the inference in response to my > opinion of "passion play" that certain people misuse prophetical > interpretation > and that this should be left to the experts of "exegesus", implying > therefore that my opinion was not worthy of being as highly regarded > as such experts, whoever they may be...and so i denied this by saying > i have the credentials which someone suggested i lacked... > > finally, chris marshall repeats the charge of > intolerance....presumably based on the above? thus he makes a personal > judgment against me, something i did not do against any one particular > person... > > the judging me and my opinion goes on, but i had a right to say who i > thought the heart healer is...He is someone i have tried to > love...would i have been honest if i had not included my opinion about > a friend or said nothing about what i think he may be like? > but now that i have done so, i really would like to discuss > music...i've had a few tarrings lately, including being sent to my > home computer...why not accept that i mean no one any offense for my > defense...and let's get on with the music, if people would be so kind > as not to send me their attacks anymore on this issue to my home... > shane ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2001 13:33:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Nuriel Tobias Subject: friends "freddie said that juan thinks i think he's the devil". ok now so what i really do'nt understand is does juan think joni thinks that he's (juan) the devil or is it freddie that says that juan thinks that she thinks that he's (freddie) the devil? and to you, joni, what do you mind if one of them thinks you think he's the devil? we're you saving that tytle for someone special? someone you really like? do'nt you know that once you find out that joni mitchell does'nt think you're the devil you've got nothing to live for? is'nt it enough you had to tell the whole world that ammy may was'nt a real blonde? god what a bitch. _____________________________________________________________ Free email, web pages, news, entertainment, weather and MORE! Check out -------------------------------> http://wowmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2001 16:58:27 -0400 From: Vince Lavieri Subject: Pop Music with Joni Content I just discovered today that I have the Bravo channel on my cable tv and Bravo is having a history of pop music special, episodes 1-3 tonight, and a nice Joni clip as featured in the promos. I have no idea what time, etc., as I am waiting for the next promo to run. But it looked encompassing and it has a nice Joni clip. (the Rev) Vince http://www.bravo.com for more info ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2001 17:16:56 -0400 From: Janet Hess Subject: Re: Pop Music with Joni Content Thanks for mentioning this. FWIW, I couldn't get Bravo using the link you provided, Vince. This worked for me, though: http://www.bravotv.com/ Here's a snip from their site: Popular Song: Soundtrack of the Century Featuring an unrivaled list of contributors, commentators and both contemporary and archival footage, this compelling, eight part series chronicles modern music history from Irving Berlin to The Beatles to Britney Spears. (Each episode 1:00) August 12 beginning at 9pm (ET); August 13 - 17 at 7pm (ET) and 11pm (ET) At 04:58 PM 8/12/2001 -0400, Vince Lavieri wrote: >I just discovered today that I have the Bravo channel on my cable tv and >Bravo is having a history of pop music special, episodes 1-3 tonight, >and a nice Joni clip as featured in the promos. I have no idea what >time, etc., as I am waiting for the next promo to run. But it looked >encompassing and it has a nice Joni clip. > > - -------------- You've got to shake your fists at lightning now You've got to roar like forest fire You've got to spread your light like blazes All across the sky Joni Mitchell ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2001 15:38:36 -0600 From: "shane mattison" Subject: point well taken dear sharon, yes that's very true what you said about various rascals who so radically depart from the translators who, in the days of tyndale and coverdale and the king james commission, well i believe their motives were loving, and in their honesty, not hiding this, they had to pay like wyclif and tyndale - at the stake for their life's work of love... i simply believe as tyndale believes...that at heart, the scriptures he so dearly loved really speak of a divine unconditional and loving acceptance of every human being, and that joni's 'heart healer' is the author of this love for everybody... so really and truly love is the thing... point well taken, sharon... shane ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2001 17:51:09 -0400 From: Vince Lavieri Subject: Re: Pop Music with Joni Content Janet Hess' link works far, far, far better than mine, thanks Janet, and to get more specific, the Joni content (she's a featured performer) will be on Wednesday, not today for all of the episodes, link to http://www.bravotv.com/sections/festivals_popular_episodes.php but for the details of Wednesday's Joni content, Episode #6 Wednesday August 16th 7pm & 11pm ET 8pm & 11pm PT Part Six looks at music of the late Sixties and early Seventies, a time when Rock 'n' Roll took as sudden a turn as the teenagers who grew up on it did. Upheavals in society such as Vietnam, the deaths of the Kennedy brothers and Martin Luther King, Jr. and the tragedy at Altamont, even the breakup of the Beatles, took their toll on a society of young men and women who had led a freewheeling youth, and this was reflected in the music of the time. As the golden age of the Beatles finished, so did the golden age of America ? and for both, a new age of highly personal lyrical navel-gazing took flight. As old groups disbanded (The Birds, Buffalo Springfield and the Hollies), new groups were formed (Crosby, Stills, Nash and Young). By the mid-Seventies the mellow sound of the Eagles was the best-selling music in the world. But with punk looming over the horizon, the backlash was only a moment away. Featured Artists:: America, The Byrds, Crosby, Stills, Nash & Young, Eagles, The Grateful Dead, The Band, Joni Mitchell Commentators: Carole King, David Crosby, Jerry Garcia, Robbie Robertson, Roger McGuinn ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2001 16:01:33 -0600 From: Les Irvin Subject: Voting and politics, JMDL style Joniphiles - My never-ending battle with the website hackers has required that I once again reset the voting booths on the JMDL website back to zero. So, a fresh new poll has begun! I encourage everyone to register (http://www.jmdl.com/gallery/register.cfm) then cast your vote for your favorite Joni songs and albums. Registration is free, painless, and confidential (and, the only way to keep the hackers at bay :-) Thanks, Les ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2001 17:29:44 -0500 From: "Sharon L. Buffington" Subject: Re: point well taken You are a good man shane. :) shane mattison wrote: > > dear sharon, > yes that's very true what you said about various rascals who so radically > depart from the translators who, in the days of tyndale and coverdale and the > king james commission, well i believe their motives were loving, and in their > honesty, not hiding this, they had to pay like wyclif and tyndale - at the > stake for their life's work of love... > i simply believe as tyndale believes...that at heart, the scriptures he so > dearly loved really speak of a divine unconditional and loving acceptance of > every human being, and that joni's 'heart healer' is the author of this love > for everybody... > so really and truly love is the thing... > point well taken, sharon... > shane ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2001 17:41:37 -0500 From: "Sharon L. Buffington" Subject: Re: Pop Music with Joni Content I believe it is on at 8:00 p.m. central time. Vince Lavieri wrote: > > I just discovered today that I have the Bravo channel on my cable tv and > Bravo is having a history of pop music special, episodes 1-3 tonight, > and a nice Joni clip as featured in the promos. I have no idea what > time, etc., as I am waiting for the next promo to run. But it looked > encompassing and it has a nice Joni clip. > > (the Rev) Vince > > http://www.bravo.com > > for more info ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2001 19:17:08 EDT From: KJHSF@aol.com Subject: Joni on VH1 I turned on the TV and caught the tail end of a clip of Joni circa early 70's playing the piano on a VH1 special titled "From the Waist Down." The narrator was saying something about if you're a woman in rock, and you don't got the rhythm, then you don't got nothing. They then cut to the clip of Joni at the piano. This aired around 7 p.m., EST, so heads up west coasters. I wish I'd seen more of the clip! Ken ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 00:22:11 +0100 From: "Chris Marshall" Subject: RE: who was judged and who wasn't Shane, It seems there were many different ways in which to interpret your post. It looks like I picked an incorrect interpretation, based on the people to whom it was addressed and their participation in a thread which you started. Basically, you started the "heart healer" thread with a very precise facts from the Old Testament. Most, if not all, of the followups were much lighter hearted in nature, giving people's personal takes on things. It is this to which I thought you'd taken exception. I did quite a lot of back reading to try and ensure I hadn't read it all wrong... Unfortunately, I think the very oblique nature of the "apologia" post made it hard to interpret correctly, or more importantly, easier to interpret incorrectly. So: sorry. I can only plead that I was aided and abetted by a couple of beers and a short temper - the last message I'd read that "didn't mention names" was rather clearly directed at certain people, so I kinda had that buzzing in my head too. As for the Oxford thing... I'll try and explain myself. I don't know what it was like in England when you were at Oxford. But these days in the UK, making a point of saying that you studied at Cambridge or Oxford in the way you did doesn't add weight or credence to arguments, rather the opposite I'm afraid. There's nothing personal in that point: I live in Cambridge myself, and know some very wonderful people who have graduated from there, and a few from Oxford too. However, the modern "oh yah" element from these institutions has created an overall public perception that concentrates on the negatives (pretentiousness, daddy's money, may ball survivor photos and garden parties) not the positives (undeniable academic excellence, bloody hard work to get there, employability, and so on). Lastly, I'd just like to say one thing about the issue of messages being sent directly to someone in addition to the list. The default action of most mail packages when used in combination with the mailing list system (such as the Joni list uses), is to address "replies to all" to both the list *and* the original poster. If the message does go to the list *and* the poster, I suggest humbly that it should not be interpreted as being sent directly to the poster alone, rather being a side effect of the interaction with the mechanics of a mailing list such as this one. I myself forgot to think hard about this one. Regards, - --Chris ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2001 19:23:19 EDT From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni on VH1 In a message dated 8/12/01 7:18:02 PM Eastern Daylight Time, KJHSF@aol.com writes: > I turned on the TV and caught the tail end of a clip of Joni circa early > 70's > playing the piano on a VH1 special titled "From the Waist Down." The > narrator was saying something about if you're a woman in rock, and you > don't > got the rhythm, then you don't got nothing. They then cut to the clip of > Joni at the piano. This aired around 7 p.m., EST, so heads up west > coasters. > I wish I'd seen more of the clip! > Ken I caught the same portion of that VH1 show last week. Joni is singing "Rainy Night House" and it might have been from the Dick Cavett Show. At least the set was reminiscent of Cavett's. Paul I ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2001 16:41:41 -0700 From: Randy Remote Subject: censorship of the list Please, contribute in whatever conversation you choose to, but don't try to censor the subject matter for the rest of us. MDESTE1@aol.com wrote: As such I suggest that this entire Middle east discussion be terminated forthwith. shane mattison wrote: ...and let's get on with the music, evian wrote: Zoinks, can't we go back and post favorite goat dancin' songs again or defend DED or something until I get my bearings again? LOL, ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2001 17:03:07 -0700 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: censorship of the list Sorry I forgot the NJC "No Joni Mitchell 8 tracks in the car" -Weird Al Yankovic, "I'll Be Mellow When I'm Dead" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2001 21:10:13 -0500 From: "William Waddell" Subject: Popular Song This may be a little late in posting but currently (Sunday 9pm) on Bravo (channel 225) there's an 8-part documentary on the history of popular songs. Just finished Berlin and Gershwin, now Louis Armstrong, however in the hourly intro there's a shot of Joni. So maybe she'll be talked about in a later part. "... behind the popular song." Willy the Shake _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2001 22:22:24 -0600 From: "shane mattison" Subject: re :passion play thankyou...i appreciate it actually the discussion of the passion play song started days before i gave my opinion...many had already stated their views on it and who jesus was...it was very interesting... have a good week... shane ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 00:37:06 -0400 From: "Thom Byrd" Subject: What I have learned of LIFE Is not to waste it (*~*)the meaning of life is in the living and the learning*And in the end it is only kindness that matters* (*~*)thom _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2001 #247 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she?