From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2001 #239 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Monday, August 6 2001 Volume 2001 : Number 239 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. Information on the 4th "Annual" New England JoniFest: http://www.jmdl.com/jfne2001.cfm ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Today's Articles: August 5 [les@jmdl.com] Today in Joni History: August 5 [les@jmdl.com] Confirm Subscription ["Paul Read" ] Re: joni's jazz?? [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] A&E [Jerry Notaro ] Re: Today's Articles: August 5 ["Mark or Travis" ] chinese cafe ["J.David Sapp" ] RE: chinese cafe ["Wally Kairuz" ] RE: Today's Articles: August 5 ["Wally Kairuz" ] jmdl cookbook question [Randy Remote ] Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2001 #238 ["Timothy Spong" ] Re: jmdl cookbook question [FMYFL@aol.com] Commonwealth Air Training Plan ["shane mattison" ] James Dean [RoseMJoy@aol.com] Re: Commonwealth Air Training Plan [Randy Remote ] how do you stop [Nuriel Tobias ] Re: how do you stop [MGVal@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 05 Aug 2001 04:19:52 -0400 From: les@jmdl.com Subject: Today's Articles: August 5 On August 5 these articles were published: 1971: "Blue" - Rolling Stone (Review - Album, with photographs) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/docs/710805rs.cfm 1994: "Edmonton Folk Festival Press Conference " - Edmonton Folk Festival (Interview) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/docs/940805eff.cfm - ------------------------ The JMDL Article Database has 619 titles. http://www.jmdl.com/articles ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 05 Aug 2001 04:19:52 -0400 From: les@jmdl.com Subject: Today in Joni History: August 5 On August 5 in Joni Mitchell History: 1994: Joni gives a press conference at the Edmonton Folk Festival. More info: http://www.jonimitchell.com/EdmontonPress94.html - ------------------------ Search the "Today" database: http://www.jmdl.com/today ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2001 09:48:54 +0100 From: "Paul Read" Subject: Confirm Subscription KEY: A350CE4-518C8BD Paul ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2001 08:12:37 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: joni's jazz?? << anyhow, what i'd like to know is if anyone here happens to have in their possession a copy of tapes or discs from that night. >> Hi there, wild koba. Wild Bob here. I've got that show, it's a 3-CD set. It's also available on cassette, 2-tapes total. Vernon was righteous that night, THE highlight of the show for me (I didn't go, but some folks here did). The quality of the recording is very nice, if ONLY more of the performances were! Contact me privately about getting copies. :~) And welcome to the list! I hope you stick around. I was always a Living Colour fan, and of course a Joni fan as well. I didn't know they were playing together again. Bob ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 05 Aug 2001 11:59:05 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: A&E Saw a promo last night on A&E for a multi-part series which begins next Sunday called Popular Song: Soundtrack of the Century. It included an early Joni clip. Looks good. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2001 11:16:19 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: Today's Articles: August 5 > On August 5 these articles were published: > > 1971: "Blue" - Rolling Stone > (Review - Album, with photographs) > http://www.jmdl.com/articles/docs/710805rs.cfm When I read the following lines from this review: (referring to 'All I Want'): 'The accompaniment - James Taylor and Joni drumming a nervous, Latin-flavored guitar pan over a bass heartbeat that throbs throughout the song' (referring to 'California'): 'James Taylor's twitchy guitar and Russ Kunkel's superb, barely detectable high-hat and bass-pedal work give it just the right amount of propulsion. and finally: 'In "A Case of You," James repeats the same dotted guitar riff he played in "California," only the melody here is slow, stately and almost hymnlike. ' I thought to myself: 'Why no mention of the dulcimer? Did he actually *listen* to this record? Doesn't he read the liner notes of the records he allegedly 'reviewed'???' So I went and looked at the liner notes on 'Blue'. I looked at the first 'Blue' cd I bought. I looked at the gold DCC disk I was fortunate enough to win in one of Wally Breese's contests. Finally I dug out my vinyl copy and lo and behold! There is no mention of the dulcimer anywhere in the liner notes for 'Blue'! Of course it also doesn't mention that Joni plays piano or guitar (does she play guitar?) on 'Blue'. I guess this is supposed to be evident or assumed since she is known for the piano and guitar. But this was the only album that she played dulcimer on so to me it seems odd that it would not be credited. And it seems even odder that the reviewer for the bloody Rolling Stone wouldn't at least do enough home work to know the instrument when he heard it and recognize it's contribution to the sound of these songs! Especially 'A Case of You'. Just about every cover I've heard of this song echoes that dulcimer line somewhere in the arrangement and more than one blatantly copies it virtually intact. It's almost like it's a necessary, integral part of the song. (Jane Monheit's version is one exception and it does work, imo. I don't think Tori Amos used it either.) But this guy mentioned James' guitar and ignored the dulcimer. Could this be a bit of sexism? I wonder.... There is also this little gem about 'Little Green': 'The pretty, "poetic" lyric is dressed up in such cryptic references that it passeth all understanding. ' What's so 'cryptic' about 'Little Green'? The only thing that was cryptic about it was who it was really about. But the song itself seems pretty straightforward to me. The Rolling Stone. Was it ever really worth paying attention to? Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2001 15:13:56 -0500 From: "J.David Sapp" Subject: chinese cafe Shane wrote speaking of Ft.Macleod; you can stop at a great chinese cafe right in the center of it... Could this be THE CHINESE CAFE? peace, david ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2001 18:34:55 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: chinese cafe hey david, what is a chinese cafe? i thought it was the name of a cafe, like ''the russian tearoom'', for example. is it a specific kind of cafe? wallyK - -----Mensaje original----- De: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]En nombre de J.David Sapp Enviado el: Domingo, 05 de Agosto de 2001 05:14 p.m. Para: joni list Asunto: chinese cafe Shane wrote speaking of Ft.Macleod; you can stop at a great chinese cafe right in the center of it... Could this be THE CHINESE CAFE? peace, david ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2001 18:37:32 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: Today's Articles: August 5 dear mark, the answer to your question is NO. do you know what they do at rolling stone? they take a look at the lyrics and underline two or three portions that will prove that the artist is either: the new [place name here] or an asshole. then they look at the credits and check out the guest musicians. finally they play the album and take notes so that it will look like they've actually ANALYZED the music and lyrics, but they're only trying to locate the guest musicians [if any] and the lyrics they've read. then they write the review, putting all these things together, and it looks as if they know what they're talking about. wallyK, former subscriber - -----Mensaje original----- De: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]En nombre de Mark or Travis Enviado el: Domingo, 05 de Agosto de 2001 03:16 p.m. Para: les@jmdl.com; joni@smoe.org Asunto: Re: Today's Articles: August 5 The Rolling Stone. Was it ever really worth paying attention to? Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 05 Aug 2001 15:21:09 -0700 From: Randy Remote Subject: jmdl cookbook question Does anyone know if the jmdl cookbook is posted online somewhere? I need my own recipe! Thanks ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 05 Aug 2001 22:34:50 From: "Timothy Spong" Subject: Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2001 #238 On Sat, 4 Aug 2001, Nuriel Tobias wrote: > > >ha! ha! ha! just heard "woman of heart and mind"'s cover by minie riperton >and that's the funniest thing that's happened to me this week! i just had >to listen to it again and again and that dreadfull miniemouse just kept me >bursting in laughter! no heart, no mind - but w h a t a w o m a n!!! i'm >telling you - let that girl cover "the sire of sorrow" - and it'll be the >happiest joni song ever! >see ya - nuriel > >_____________________________________________________________ > and now, me: Minnie Ripperton died some years ago of cancer. My reaction to Ms. Ripperton's one big hit that I know of, "Loving You" from some time in the 1970s, was not a whole lot more positive than yours to this cover. However, I vaguely remember seeing her praised lavishly once in print. If I am not conflating different things, I think Minnie Ripperton was a member of Rotary Connection [late 1960s] before going solo. I liked Rotary Connection and, therefore, whatever was the contribution of Minnie's voice to it. I have the 45 r.p.m., 7-inch single of their treatment of "Soul Man" on one side and of "Ruby Tuesday" on the other side, and a reel-to-reel tape dub of about half of the album on which those appeared. Tim Spong _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2001 18:52:35 EDT From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: jmdl cookbook question In a message dated 8/5/01 6:22:56 PM Eastern Daylight Time, guitarzan@saber.net writes: > Does anyone know if the jmdl cookbook is posted online somewhere? > The JMDL cookbook, the uncounted Florida presidential ballots, the tapes of the New Orleans Jonifest are all with Jimmy Hoffa :~) Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2001 17:23:34 -0600 From: "shane mattison" Subject: Commonwealth Air Training Plan joni mitchell's father, bill anderson, was stationed in Fort Macleod, Alberta at one of the many air bases of the (British) Commonwealth Air Training Plan, a mammoth project of the Second World War, preparing thousands of pilots and flight crews from all over the world for bomber and fighter service in the european war theatre...during his time there, in 1943, joni mitchell was born... there are many interesting websites which describe this huge project and even a couple of movies... 1) an overview of the plan,with photos and a list of the prairie bases, including Fort Macleod: http://www.ualberta.ca/EDMONTON/CONTRIB/airmuseum/aambcatp.html 2) the biggest of the plan air museums, from brandon manitoba, with a virtual tour of the kind of atmosphere and equipment bill anderson was involved with: http://www.airmuseum.ca/ 3)a wartime jimmy cagney film about the plan http://www.ualberta.ca/EDMONTON/CONTRIB/airmuseum/aamcagney.html#bcatpreturn1 4) a modern film, For the Moment, with russell crow, about life and love at these bases - the story describes the lives of a couple resembling that of close friends of my family...the plot is very real and happened alot in those days...the andersons took part in this environment and culture... http://www.airmuseum.ca/moments.html these sites are worth seeing in that they help the joni mitchell fan understand a big part of her origins... shane ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2001 20:49:13 EDT From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: James Dean TNT is premiering a James Dean movie. It started at 8:00 PM ET/PT, but it will be aired again at 10PM James Franco (Freaks and Geeks, Spider-Man) stars as legendary film actor James Dean in the Turner Network Television (TNT) Original film JAMES DEAN, directed by Academy Award.-nominated director Mark Rydell (On Golden Pond, The Rose). JAMES DEAN, a stirring drama that tells the tragic story of the brooding rebel who remains a legend 45 years after his death, will premiere on TNT Sunday, August 5 at 8 p.m. ET/PT. rosemjoy@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 05 Aug 2001 17:48:47 -0700 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: Commonwealth Air Training Plan Great information, Shane! shane mattison wrote: > joni mitchell's father, bill anderson, was stationed in Fort Macleod, Alberta > at one of the many air bases of the (British) Commonwealth Air Training Plan, > a mammoth project of the Second World War, preparing thousands of pilots and > flight crews from all over the world for bomber and fighter service in the > european war theatre...during his time there, in 1943, joni mitchell was > born... > there are many interesting websites which describe this huge project and even > a couple of movies... > 1) an overview of the plan,with photos and a list of the prairie bases, > including Fort Macleod: > http://www.ualberta.ca/EDMONTON/CONTRIB/airmuseum/aambcatp.html > 2) the biggest of the plan air museums, from brandon manitoba, with a virtual > tour of the kind of atmosphere and equipment bill anderson was involved with: > http://www.airmuseum.ca/ > 3)a wartime jimmy cagney film about the plan > http://www.ualberta.ca/EDMONTON/CONTRIB/airmuseum/aamcagney.html#bcatpreturn1 > 4) a modern film, For the Moment, with russell crow, about life and love at > these bases - the story describes the lives of a couple resembling that of > close friends of my family...the plot is very real and happened alot in those > days...the andersons took part in this environment and culture... > http://www.airmuseum.ca/moments.html > these sites are worth seeing in that they help the joni mitchell fan > understand a big part of her origins... > shane ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2001 20:01:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Nuriel Tobias Subject: how do you stop hi. just thought i'd ask you folks something. in "how do you stop" joni adds the line - "how do you stop a baby being born" - a line which does not appear in the james brown song. and i was wondering why. could it be that joni felt so messed up with her daughter's loss that she was wishing she would have never bore her? nuriel _____________________________________________________________ Free email, web pages, news, entertainment, weather and MORE! Check out -------------------------------> http://wowmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 05 Aug 2001 23:22:33 EDT From: MGVal@aol.com Subject: Re: how do you stop Nuriel Tobias writes: > in "how do you stop" joni adds the line - "how do you stop a baby being born" - a line which does not appear in the james brown song. and i was wondering why. could it be that joni felt so messed up with her daughter's loss that she was wishing she would have never bore her? Granted, there are messed up areas in Joni's life, (isn't there in everyone's?), but I respectfully think that you are way off base by thinking that the "how do you stop a baby being born" was her addition dovetailing with wishing she had never had her child. The song "How Do You Stop" is more about "what can you do about the inevitable" when you've put love off until "later." Or what appears to be the inevitable. And the tinker that Joni is, perhaps that "baby being born" just slid out naturally and worked for her. It's a great song - one of the few that I enjoy from the album T.I. It is a very poignant one when I think about it in conjunction with love lost, missed connections and oportunities. This song also is a marvelous puzzle. Do things get too late and do inevitable forces mean that there is no getting back to that love? Or is it just another variation on the GBS line that "youth is wasted on the very young?" Once you've "seen the light" and learned something, is it too late? I know for myself that the deeper I get into my forties, (sigh, tick, tick, tick), the more this song resonates for me. MG np: things in the dryer whirling. PS I would also like to thank the list members who wrote me off list. It really made me feel so welcomed. ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2001 #239 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she?