From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2001 #231 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Sunday, July 29 2001 Volume 2001 : Number 231 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. Information on the 4th "Annual" New England JoniFest: http://www.jmdl.com/jfne2001.cfm ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Today's Articles: July 28 [les@jmdl.com] RE: Today's Articles: July 28 ["Wally Kairuz" ] RE: VAIN promises on beauty jars ["Deb Messling" ] Re: Today's Articles: July 28 [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: VAIN promises on beauty jars [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Tiger Bones [Nuriel Tobias ] Re: VAIN promises on beauty jars [Mags ] America meets Joni ["Kate Bennett" ] and sometimes there'll be sorrow [Mags ] joni's stars ["shane mattison" ] Re: joni's stars ["hell" ] Re: expose the bitch! [jan gyn ] Re: joni's stars ["shane mattison" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2001 03:48:44 -0400 From: les@jmdl.com Subject: Today's Articles: July 28 On July 28 this article was published: 1966: "Rising Folksinger From Saskatoon Discusses Career" - Saskatoon StarPhoenix (Interview) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/docs/660728ssp.cfm - ------------------------ The JMDL Article Database has 615 titles. http://www.jmdl.com/articles ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2001 05:04:41 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: Today's Articles: July 28 what a gem!!!!!!! joni referred to as ''MRS mitchell''!!!!! these articles are priceless. god bless you les and those that contributed! and has anybody heard "What Will You Give Me", the song that's mentioned in the interview????? wallyK - -----Mensaje original----- De: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]En nombre de les@jmdl.com Enviado el: Sabado, 28 de Julio de 2001 04:49 a.m. Para: joni@smoe.org Asunto: Today's Articles: July 28 On July 28 this article was published: 1966: "Rising Folksinger From Saskatoon Discusses Career" - Saskatoon StarPhoenix (Interview) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/docs/660728ssp.cfm - ------------------------ The JMDL Article Database has 615 titles. http://www.jmdl.com/articles ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2001 06:15:35 -0400 From: "Deb Messling" Subject: RE: VAIN promises on beauty jars The double meaning of the word "vain" never occurred to me (duh!) That's why I love this list; it helps me consider Joni's work in new ways. > Subject: VAIN promises on beauty jars - ----------------------------------- Deb Messling =^..^= - ----------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2001 09:06:37 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Today's Articles: July 28 << 1966: "Rising Folksinger From Saskatoon Discusses Career" - Saskatoon StarPhoenix (Interview) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/docs/660728ssp.cfm >> A great article, Les, and I especially enjoyed the rare pic of Joni and Chuck! Bob ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2001 09:10:20 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: VAIN promises on beauty jars << It occurred to me that the use of "vain" in "Sweet bird" may have been a clever play on words by Joni,her using the word "vain" to convey 2 meanings at the same time. Am I correct? >> I don't know for sure, Relayer, but I'd be willing to bet that Joni knew EXACTLY what she was doing with her choice of this word. She admits to searching for the perfect word (like Hejira), has changed words when she finds a phrase that suits her better, etc. Example: look how many times she uses a word like "sorrow" to describe an emotion so much better than "sad" or "sadness" would do. Bob ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2001 08:47:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Nuriel Tobias Subject: Tiger Bones do you think that tiger bones was the last time we'll ever hear joni playing the guitar? is that why she added it at the end of TTT - like a sad farewell to her magical fingers? nuriel _____________________________________________________________ Free email, web pages, news, entertainment, weather and MORE! Check out -------------------------------> http://wowmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2001 12:25:02 -0400 From: Mags Subject: Re: VAIN promises on beauty jars SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: > > > < EXACTLY what she was doing with her choice of this word. She admits to > searching for the perfect word (like Hejira), has changed words when she > finds a phrase that suits her better, etc. > > Example: look how many times she uses a word like "sorrow" to describe an > emotion so much better than "sad" or "sadness" would do.>> I have always loved Joni's use of the word sorrow. Rather than simply saying someone is sad, sorrow seems to imply so much more, perhaps incorporating grief and regret as well. When Joni uses the word sorrow, I get the feeling that she means something has really hurt her deeply, to the core. She adds to it by using a mournful intonation in her voice... " and sometimes there'll be sorrow" (from Little Green). In doing so, she shows us a pathway which leads us to the centre of those feelings. In addition, driven by the medium of her words, the images Joni paints give strength to a simple little phrase which helps to drive those underlying emotions. I know there are many examples...one that often stands out in my mind is at the end of Lessons in Survival... she end the song with: I will always love you she doesnt leave it at that...she shows us: Hands alike. Magnet and iron the souls. another is in The Sire of Sorrow.... something deeper than anger is so evident in these lines: Let me speak, let me spit out my bitterness (she leaves quite an impression by using the word spit ...spitting on someone is such an act of ...what...rage...disgust??) Why have you soured and curdled me? (taking us well beyond anger again) just a few thoughts on a scrambled saturday. Mags. np: Two Grey Rooms > > > - -- And this loving is a drawing close, a tuning in, an opening. Until one perfect moment; but how can it be expressed? A receiving, an enfolding as I cradle you in my arms. Within my heart, within my soul, You are my true love. --Lui Collins - --- _~O / /\_, ___/\ /_ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2001 12:04:50 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: America meets Joni This was on the leeshore list: from Dan Peek's website - http://danpeek.com Dan Peek of America has this 47 chapter narrative online that's very interesting and fun to read. This quote is from when the band was invited to Elliot Robert's house for the first time: - ------------------------- Looking again to our right was an amazing view of the swimming pool, the waterfall pouring into the deep end, the whole flagged by huge stones with redwood furniture scattered about like large tiddlywinks. The pool seemed suspended in space, with short glass walls bordering, allowing that awesome view full rein. The view was made even more amazing by the fact that a young, beautiful blonde woman lay full length on one of the loungers, sunning herself in the warm dry air. She was completely naked. This Lorelei figure turned her face up to us and squinted, saying with total innocence, "Hi, I'm Joni Mitchell, you must be AMERICA. David said to say he'll be a little late. You must be awfully hot and tired. The water's great. You should go for a swim." "Uh, see Miss Mitchell, we don't have our suits. You don't need them much where we just came from." Said Dewey. "Call me Joni. You don't need suits. In fact I've never seen anyone wear a suit in this pool." I'm sure at this point we all thought we had been slipped a mickey and were hallucinating all of this. But it was real. The fact that we'd been given the green light to skinny dip with Joni Mitchell however had no effect on our personal hang ups about nudity in public. The three of us immediately went inside and cut the legs off our levi's and went for a swim. The last thing I wanted to see was Naked Dewey or Naked Gerry and I know the feeling was mutual, even if it meant looking prudish. The whole nudity thing in this rarefied strata of Tinsel Town was completely alien to the three of us and I never got used to it. As far as I know we were the only people who swam suited. Geffen would have parties with fifty people all lounging around in the nude. There was good naked and there was bad naked. Naked Joni good. Naked Elton bad. There is just some information I don't want to have. " ******************************************** Kate Bennett www.katebennett.com sponsored by Polysonics www.polysonics.com Discover the Indies at Taylor Guitars: http://www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/bennett.html ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2001 22:36:47 -0400 From: Mags Subject: and sometimes there'll be sorrow Just found this in my drafts folder dated mid june...not sure why I never sent it..... thanks Brei for the inspiration to do so. *** I have taken up my brother Bob Muller's challenge by doing a little searching- around -Joni-lyrics- town for a word to focus on . The word I am most moved by is one of my all time favourites, sorrow. It is one thing to say someone is sad, or someone is hurting, someone is down, blue, having an off day, off year, off life... however, it is another thing altogether to use the word sorrow. Joni digs deep with this one. To hear the word sorrow is like finding long lost keys to a treasure. I think I can safely say that many people are much more comfortable around emotions like happiness or joy or feeling content...all those warm and fuzzy feelings ... however when we start pushing the emotional envelope, we wriggle and squirm in our seats when it comes to those emotions which linger, deep down inside us, and so often they go unspoken. Let's face it, when you are really sad and having a melt down, how many people are comfortable enough to allow you to just cry to your heart's content? In my experience, most people just walk away or else they can't deal with tears. They want to fix you, make it go away ... anything so that they will not have to deal with what your sorrow triggers inside them. Sadness and especially sorrow has a tendency to make everyone feel uncomfortable. To me, there is no finer word than sorrow to describe some of the images Joni conjures in her songs. A painting analogy might be considered ... using the word sorrow is like using VanGogh oil paints rather than brand x. There is just no comparison. The hues and tones give reign to so many feelings and experiences, the right touch to express heartfelt meaning, they are rich and deep and filled with meaning and can rock the listener to the core. You only have to cover the canvas once with their cad yellow to get what I mean. To me, the word sorrow is all encompassing when it comes to trying to describe the deepest of sad moment(s). Let's take a look at the list of songs I came up with when I entered the word sorrow in Les' search engine. Don't Interrupt The Sorrow The Sire Of Sorrow Marcie Little Green Answer Me, My Love Willy Tin Angel The Pirate of Penance Roses Blue For The Roses Conversation A Melody In Your Name np: At Last, Eva Cassidy, Time After Time *Brei and i extend our warmest thanks to our dear Dutch Uncle for treasures received* - -- - --------------------------------------------------------------------- _~O / /\_, ___/\ /_ - ----------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2001 21:09:05 -0600 From: "shane mattison" Subject: joni's stars for a lark, read joni's star chart (somehow the astrologers here got a fix on her details)... read your own star chart... in the column on the right, click for the kind of match you'd be for joni... i'm lucky 'cause i'm pisces... have fun and know in joni's words "it was only a dance..." just click below for your own trip to the stars... http://www.google.com/search?q=cache:Og8rIM6o7z4:www.adze.com/bios/htm/1943/1 1070001.html shane without a cane ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2001 16:10:56 +1200 From: "hell" Subject: Re: joni's stars Shane wrote: > for a lark, read joni's star chart (somehow the astrologers here got a fix on > her details)... > read your own star chart... > in the column on the right, click for the kind of match you'd be for joni... > i'm lucky 'cause i'm pisces... Pretty accurate on the whole, but I'm not sure about my own profile, which says "You might benefit from a weekly enema." Not in this lifetime!!! And just for a laugh, I had a look at what kind of match I'd be for Joni, and the following came out: "At heart, Helen is practically perfect" - (laughing my head off at this one!) "Joni prefers deep commitment, deep conversation and deep thoughts. If Joni can't tell it like it is, Joni prefers to keep quiet. It should be mentioned that Joni has quite a few secrets." "Helen could find Joni to be glamorous, charismatic and even hypnotic. This could be an ideal or fantasy relationship. It is important to note the difference between fantasies and unrealistic expectations. It is a big challenge, however Helen would be wise to take off the rose colored glasses and get another perspective on Joni. Joni could bring refined aesthetic tastes, original art and live music into the relationship. Helen can help Joni to trust first impressions and go with them. It would be good for Helen to cook soup and stews for Joni. This relationship will work better straight and sober. Also, you two need to harness the power of prayer." This is hilarious! But what about "Joni could bring refined aesthetic tastes, original art and live music into the relationship". Is that accurate, or what! I guess I could get a job as Joni's housekeeper, and cook her stews....but I won't be allowed to drink. Damn. Hell ____________________________ "To have great poets, there must be great audiences too." - Walt Whitman hell@ihug.co.nz Hell's Personal Photo Page: http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hell/main/personal.htm Visit the NBLs (Natural Born Losers) at: http://www.nbls.co.nz ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2001 22:48:01 -0700 From: jan gyn Subject: Re: expose the bitch! >Debra Shea > >... that's all folks >(do I hear a collective "thank God!" ? :-) Not from me; I don't believe in God.... - -jan (running for cover) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2001 23:34:21 -0600 From: "shane mattison" Subject: Re: joni's stars <> naw... <> "she cooked good omelettes an stews...and i might have stayed on with her there, but my heart cried out for you..." too many enemas? i'll hire ya! thanx hell...i dun laffed real hard, you know, its only a dance, eh? shane and sober as a churchmouse... - ----- Original Message ----- From: "hell" To: "shane mattison" ; Sent: Saturday, July 28, 2001 10:10 PM Subject: Re: joni's stars > Shane wrote: > > > for a lark, read joni's star chart (somehow the astrologers here got a fix > on > > her details)... > > read your own star chart... > > in the column on the right, click for the kind of match you'd be for > joni... > > i'm lucky 'cause i'm pisces... > > Pretty accurate on the whole, but I'm not sure about my own profile, which > says "You might benefit from a weekly enema." Not in this lifetime!!! > > And just for a laugh, I had a look at what kind of match I'd be for Joni, > and the following came out: > > "At heart, Helen is practically perfect" - (laughing my head off at this > one!) > > "Joni prefers deep commitment, deep conversation and deep thoughts. If Joni > can't tell it like it is, Joni prefers to keep quiet. It should be mentioned > that Joni has quite a few secrets." > > "Helen could find Joni to be glamorous, charismatic and even hypnotic. This > could be an ideal or fantasy relationship. It is important to note the > difference between fantasies and unrealistic expectations. It is a big > challenge, however Helen would be wise to take off the rose colored glasses > and get another perspective on Joni. Joni could bring refined aesthetic > tastes, original art and live music into the relationship. Helen can help > Joni to trust first impressions and go with them. It would be good for Helen > to cook soup and stews for Joni. This relationship will work better straight > and sober. Also, you two need to harness the power of prayer." > > This is hilarious! But what about "Joni could bring refined aesthetic > tastes, original art and live music into the relationship". Is that > accurate, or what! I guess I could get a job as Joni's housekeeper, and > cook her stews....but I won't be allowed to drink. Damn. > > Hell > ____________________________ > "To have great poets, there must be > great audiences too." - Walt Whitman > > hell@ihug.co.nz > Hell's Personal Photo Page: > http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hell/main/personal.htm > > Visit the NBLs (Natural Born Losers) at: > http://www.nbls.co.nz ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2001 #231 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she?