From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2001 #230 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Saturday, July 28 2001 Volume 2001 : Number 230 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. Information on the 4th "Annual" New England JoniFest: http://www.jmdl.com/jfne2001.cfm ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- like BBC joni profile ["shane mattison" ] Joni Mitchell: River - upcoming winnipeg production ["shane mattison" ] Re: Joni Mitchell: River - upcoming winnipeg production [SCJoniGuy@aol.co] Re: jack mittleman [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Joni Mitchell: River - upcoming winnipeg production [Mark Domyancich ] Re: jack mittleman [RoseMJoy@aol.com] need a joni suggestion... [Alison E ] Re: need a joni suggestion... [RoseMJoy@aol.com] Re: need a joni suggestion... [Don Rowe ] BBC Joni Profile ["shane mattison" ] Re: need a joni suggestion... [Alison E ] Re: need a joni suggestion... [Don Rowe ] Re: need a joni suggestion... [Alison E ] Re: need a joni suggestion... [Don Rowe ] Vali? [Steve Dulson ] Re: need a joni suggestion... [Dflahm@aol.com] Re: need a joni suggestion... [Murphycopy@aol.com] expose the bitch! ["Thom Byrd" ] VAIN promises on beauty jars [Relayer211@aol.com] Re: VAIN promises on beauty jars [colin ] Re: expose the bitch! [dsk ] Re: Taming the Daughter - The Jenna Bush Story ["hell" ] Re: expose the bitch! (md-2) [MDESTE1@aol.com] Re: need a joni suggestion... [Michael Paz ] Re: expose the bitch! (md-2) [jan gyn ] Re: expose the bitch! [dsk ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2001 02:19:23 -0600 From: "shane mattison" Subject: like BBC joni profile sure can recommend BBC Online joni profile, commending her growth as a performing artist all the way through her career...a little humour, great pics, interesting links, a good intro for some friend wanting to sample joni...complete with real audio, if you follow links... shane ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2001 03:06:45 -0600 From: "shane mattison" Subject: Joni Mitchell: River - upcoming winnipeg production ...in 2002, winnipeg's comin' out for joni with the theatre production of Joni Mitchell:River from jan31 to feb17, '02 (bring your parkas, eh?), at the Prairie Exchange Theatre in Portage Place, Winnipeg, Manitoba... "...will showcase her most poetic and insightful lyrics..." ..."an evening of her songs performed by great actor-singers with a tight fabulous band led by Winnipeg's Greg Lowe"... to see, click below: http://www.google.com/search?q=cache:1UZqp7ou7QQ:www.umfm.com/theatre/pte.htm l+comedy+joni+mitchell&hl=en shane ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2001 03:40:55 -0600 From: "shane mattison" Subject: jack mittleman singer-songwriter jack mittleman is a canadian by birth, produced a joni tribute effort in sweden...his meeting with her, where she praised the album is described and photgraphed on one of the best websites i've seen for a performing artist...especially listen to the audio of his own material... http://www.jackmittleman.com/Bio.asp shane ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2001 07:54:20 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni Mitchell: River - upcoming winnipeg production << in 2002, winnipeg's comin' out for joni with the theatre production of Joni Mitchell:River from jan31 to feb17, '02 >> Very cool, Shane, great catch! Now the question is - how to get a recording of it? It could be a covers volume all on its own! ;~) Bob ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2001 08:08:06 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: jack mittleman << singer-songwriter jack mittleman is a canadian by birth, produced a joni tribute effort in sweden... >> This would be the "Bird That Whistles" project...it IS indeed a fine collection. No longer in print, it pops up on E-Bay from time to time, and I'm always glad to burn a copy for whoever might want it. The songs they cover: 1. Free Man In Paris 2. A Bird That Whistles 3. Chelsea Morning 4. A Case of You 5. This Flight Tonight 6. Urge For Going 7. Night Ride Home 8. Twisted 9. Hejira 10. The Silky Veils of Ardor 11. Woodstock They get MAJOR points in my book for covering her 60's work, 70's, 80's, & 90's, & no BSN or BYT in sight! :~) Bob ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2001 08:34:26 -0500 From: Mark Domyancich Subject: Re: Joni Mitchell: River - upcoming winnipeg production Ick. The idea of choreographed Joni doesn't sit with me. Scrap the whole idea and do a winter tour instead, Joni. Mark NP-Soulive, 12/6/00-Cash's Dream > From: "shane mattison" > Reply-To: "shane mattison" > Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2001 03:06:45 -0600 > To: > Subject: Joni Mitchell: River - upcoming winnipeg production > > ...in 2002, winnipeg's comin' out for joni with the theatre production of Joni > Mitchell:River from jan31 to feb17, '02 (bring your parkas, eh?), at the > Prairie Exchange Theatre in Portage Place, Winnipeg, Manitoba... > "...will showcase her most poetic and insightful lyrics..." ..."an evening of > her songs performed by great actor-singers with a tight fabulous band led by > Winnipeg's Greg Lowe"... > to see, click below: > http://www.google.com/search?q=cache:1UZqp7ou7QQ:www.umfm.com/theatre/pte.htm > l+comedy+joni+mitchell&hl=en > shane ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2001 09:45:52 EDT From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: jack mittleman In a message dated 7/27/01 5:39:30 AM Eastern Daylight Time, cactussong@home.com writes: > singer-songwriter jack mittleman is a canadian by birth, produced a joni > tribute > effort in sweden...his meeting with her, where she praised the album is > described and photgraphed on one of the best websites i've seen for a > performing artist...especially listen to the audio of his own material... > http://www.jackmittleman.com/Bio.asp > I loved the Jack's video Shane, thanks. Can you provide me with the url for the BBC Joni profile? I found a BBC news website, but when I did a Joni search I didn't come up with a profile link. Rose in NJ rosemjoy@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2001 07:20:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Alison E Subject: need a joni suggestion... i have a friend who is a big jazz fan, and we recently had this discussion about "Chelsea Morning". He said this: >> I've been re-listening to Joni Mitchell's "chelsea". New >> favorite part is the >> triangle-rhythm each time under the "don't it always >> seem to go, that you don't >> know what you got til it's gone" refrain--listen for >> the great subtle rhythm >> next time. I love that someone took such care to >> play something so subtle, yet >> so cool. Makes you happy to be alive! (SNIP) >>but most of it [Joni's music] is too sad for me. so now, i'm trying to come up with the best album to buy him to show him that first part of his statement is right on, the second part helplessly uninformed ;-) he's a big jazz fan, plays jazz piano, so i'm thinking DJRD. any other suggestions? alison e. in nyc Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2001 10:45:46 EDT From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: need a joni suggestion... I'd suggest DJRD or S&L rosemjoy@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2001 07:48:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Don Rowe Subject: Re: need a joni suggestion... First of all ... that's "Big Yellow Taxi", not "Chelsea Morning" ... at least the lyric your friend quoted. ;-) To cure your friend of his "all Joni is sad" ... there's really only one choice, which luckily happens to have one or two jazz elements of it's own: Wild Things Run Fast Don Rowe ===== Visit me anytime at http://www.mp3.com/donrowe Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2001 08:59:55 -0600 From: "shane mattison" Subject: BBC Joni Profile Rose, you asked for the BBC Joni profile: http://www.bbc.co.uk/music/profiles/mitchellj2.shtml enjoy, shane ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2001 07:56:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Alison E Subject: Re: need a joni suggestion... i was hoping you would answer, don, and quite suspected what you would recommend. ;-) i inserted that wrong song title, accidentally. so that was my stupid mistake. don't you think WTRF is too poppy, though? i guess i was leaning for something a bit more serious. or more challenging, musically. of course, i'm sure i could find WTRF in a bargain bin down at tower, so there's that. alison e. in nyc - --- Don Rowe wrote: > To cure your friend of his "all Joni is sad" ... > there's really only one choice, which luckily > happens > to have one or two jazz elements of it's own: > > Wild Things Run Fast > Don Rowe Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2001 08:11:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Don Rowe Subject: Re: need a joni suggestion... Yeah you've got a point. I was going for something that would undeniably counteract the "sad" thing. For something more musically challenging ... certainly more 'jazzy', but which could be considered "sad" from a certain point of view might be: HOSL? In any case, TI is right out ... ;-) Don Rowe ===== Visit me anytime at http://www.mp3.com/donrowe Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2001 08:37:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Alison E Subject: Re: need a joni suggestion... - --- Don Rowe wrote: > Yeah you've got a point. I was going for something > that would undeniably counteract the "sad" thing. > Forsomething more musically challenging ... certainly > more 'jazzy', but which could be considered "sad" > from > a certain point of view might be: > HOSL? > In any case, TI is right out ... ;-) LOL, yes i think blue is out too! for me, though, there is a very melancholy spirit to HOSL. maybe rosie is right on with the S&L suggestion. S&L or DJRD? i think i'm leaning towards DJRD because i know he would be impressed with paprika plains, and offnight backstreet is one of my favorite songs. a.e. in nyc Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2001 08:50:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Don Rowe Subject: Re: need a joni suggestion... Yeah, DJRD is probably the most challenging musically of any suggestions you've gotten so far. And while there are some "up" moments on it ... remember that you'll be leaving the poor guy with the strains of "The Silky Veils of Ardor" ringing in his ears! ;-) I have to say "nix" on S&L. Too much Hejira on it, plus you'd run a bit too much risk of "poisoning the well" by getting your friend used to the live renditions before having heard the studio cuts. But this of course, could just be a quirk of my personal approach to artist investigation and discovery! ;-) Don Rowe ===== Visit me anytime at http://www.mp3.com/donrowe Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2001 09:31:00 -0700 From: Steve Dulson Subject: Vali? Has a person named Vali come up on the list before? Is this perhaps who Joni's song Ballerina Valerie is about? Reason I ask is that I came across an LA Times film review titled 'Vali' - Study of an English Witch in Italy. The film was made in 1965, and the review published in 1978, and I'm wondering why the heck I saved it unless there was a Joni connection. :) - -- ######################################################## Steve Dulson Costa Mesa CA steve@psitech.com "The Tinker's Own" http://www.tinkersown.com "Southern California Dulcimer Heritage" http://www.scdh.org "The Living Tradition Concert Series" http://www.thelivingtradition.org/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2001 13:20:20 EDT From: Dflahm@aol.com Subject: Re: need a joni suggestion... I'm not aware of any JM recordings that express a big preponderance of "happy." Certainly a cd could be burned for this person's specific taste and it would probably include Chelsea Morning, In France..., Carey, Cotton Avenue, Night Ride Home, You Turn Me On.. stuff like dat dere DAVID LAHM ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2001 14:59:40 EDT From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: need a joni suggestion... In a message dated 7/27/01 12:30:38 PM, Dflahm@aol.com writes: << I'm not aware of any JM recordings that express a big preponderance of "happy." >> I think burning a CD is probably the way to go for someone looking for "happy" Joni music. Don't forget about "Night in the City." --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2001 19:20:59 -0400 From: "Thom Byrd" Subject: expose the bitch! I don't want to hear any bellyaching from you about me violating the "no posting private email" rule. You use that rule just to hide your nasty comments behind. So... no more. You've been forewarned. Debra Shea _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2001 19:58:39 EDT From: Relayer211@aol.com Subject: VAIN promises on beauty jars I was thinking about "sweet bird",and I looked up the word '"Vain" in the dictionary. The first definition is "conceited, especially about one's appearence".the second definition is "having no value or signifigance,as in 'vain triumphs'." It occurred to me that the use of "vain" in "Sweet bird" may have been a clever play on words by Joni,her using the word "vain" to convey 2 meanings at the same time. Am I correct? ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2001 01:23:41 +0100 From: colin Subject: Re: VAIN promises on beauty jars I don't know if you are correxct. My take was that the promises on beauty jars are bullshit. Just like th ads for them still are! Have you seen what cost? Mind you of course it alos buys into peoples vanity-or lack of self esteeem. i am astonished that women are still reached out to in this belittling way yet they must fall for it because these companies are making a fortune. the sickest is that bloody company that has 'because you're worth it' byline. Yuk and a ...oh never mind .. you get the picture i am sure. Relayer211@aol.com wrote: > I was thinking about "sweet bird",and I looked up the word '"Vain" in > the dictionary. The first definition is "conceited, especially about one's > appearence".the second definition is "having no value or signifigance,as in > 'vain triumphs'." > > It occurred to me that the use of "vain" in "Sweet bird" may have been > a clever play on words by Joni,her using the word "vain" to convey 2 meanings > at the same time. Am I correct? - -- bw colin BRO GC, 950i 940,864, 260, 890,Silver 830 and 270, Passap 6000 Duo80 colin@tantra-apso.com http://www.tantra-apso.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2001 23:40:13 -0400 From: dsk Subject: Re: expose the bitch! Excuse me, Thom Byrd, but is there some point you're trying to make here by posting a part of a message I sent to the list? There's nothing to expose. Everything I've said has been visible to everyone. If you think I'm a bitch because I refuse to continue receiving insulting, sneering, hate-filled messages from someone who I've told many times over several years to stop emailing me privately, and yet the abusive behavior continues, and will only stop once it's made public (I hope), well, then... that's your choice. Debra Shea Thom Byrd wrote: > I don't want to hear any bellyaching from you about me violating the "no > posting > private email" rule. You use that rule just to hide your nasty comments > behind. > So... no more. You've been forewarned. > > Debra Shea > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2001 16:51:13 +1200 From: "hell" Subject: Re: Taming the Daughter - The Jenna Bush Story Bill wrote: > Ok, it's been a while but all this > talk about first daughters has > inspired this parody... Thanks, I needed a good laugh. This was hilarious! Hell ____________________________ "To have great poets, there must be great audiences too." - Walt Whitman hell@ihug.co.nz Hell's Personal Photo Page: http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hell/main/personal.htm Visit the NBLs (Natural Born Losers) at: http://www.nbls.co.nz ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2001 01:32:50 EDT From: MDESTE1@aol.com Subject: Re: expose the bitch! (md-2) In a message dated 7/27/01 8:43:28 PM Pacific Daylight Time, dsk11@bellatlantic.net writes: << I refuse to continue receiving insulting, sneering, hate-filled messages from someone who I've told many times over several years to stop emailing me privately, and yet the abusive behavior continues, and will only stop once it's made public >> You want it public, glad to oblige. Ms Shea: You send people insulting ad hominem attacks at legitimate views (just as legitimate as yours) and some one responds to the insults and name calling directly and in the same tone as you dish out and this is how you characterize it. Im printing this on the list as you wish. Sending a copy directly to you (in seeming violation of your edict but customary in civil society to insure the person being addressed is provided disclosure) even though you have said "Dont send email to me". Also Just to let everyone know that the one I sent yesterday was is just as surreal and ridiculous and just as "mean" as anything in the past she claims was sent. The fact is you send a bunch of crap to me and then get weenie if I respond. Grow up. The solution, for you, clearly, dont read my posts. Ignore them. Dont comment on them and I will do the same with yours. Now move on. please. thank you. marcel deste. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2001 00:49:21 -0700 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: need a joni suggestion... Make sure to tuen him on to David lahm's two CD's with joni in mind. Otherwise I vote for For The Roses and Hejira for different reasons. Paz on 7/27/01 7:20 AM, Alison E at alisone4@yahoo.com wrote: > i have a friend who is a big jazz fan, and we recently > had this discussion about "Chelsea Morning". > He said this: > >>> I've been re-listening to Joni Mitchell's > "chelsea". New >>> favorite part is the >>> triangle-rhythm each time under the "don't it > always >>> seem to go, that you don't >>> know what you got til it's gone" refrain--listen > for >>> the great subtle rhythm >>> next time. I love that someone took such care to >>> play something so subtle, yet >>> so cool. Makes you happy to be alive! > (SNIP) >>> but most of it [Joni's music] is too sad for me. > > so now, i'm trying to come up with the best album to > buy him to show him that first part of his statement > is right on, the second part helplessly uninformed ;-) > he's a big jazz fan, plays jazz piano, so i'm thinking > DJRD. > any other suggestions? > alison e. in nyc > Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger > http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2001 00:19:38 -0700 From: jan gyn Subject: Re: expose the bitch! (md-2) (snip) > just as "mean" as anything in the past she claims was sent. The fact is you >send a bunch of crap to me and then get weenie if I respond. Grow up. The >solution, for you, clearly, dont read my posts. Ignore them. Dont comment on >them and I will do the same with yours. Now move on. please. thank you. >marcel deste. I belong to many a lively list, i.e., Miles Davis, X-Files, Pyromaniacs Anonymous, etc., but this here JMDL list RULES when it comes to viciousness and bile marinated declamations (of which I'm TOTALLY uninnocent). This place is hypnotizing, somehow. - -jan ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2001 03:07:00 -0400 From: dsk Subject: Re: expose the bitch! MDESTE1@aol.com wrote: > You want it public, glad to oblige. > Ms Shea: You send people insulting ad hominem attacks at legitimate views > (just as legitimate as yours) and some one responds to the insults and name > calling directly and in the same tone as you dish out and this is how you > characterize it. Good grief, this is ridiculous. You're saying I send insulting private emails to you and "people"??? I don't. All my comments about discussions on the list are sent to the list, not to people privately. I've never sent anyone a message similar to the one from you that the list saw yesterday, which gives just a hint of what I've received privately. > Im printing this on the list as you wish. Sending a copy > directly to you (in seeming violation of your edict but customary in civil > society to insure the person being addressed is provided disclosure) even > though you have said "Dont send email to me". I asked that you not send email privately to me. Receiving a copy of what you send to the list is not receiving "private" email. > Also Just to let everyone > know that the one I sent yesterday was is just as surreal and ridiculous and > just as "mean" as anything in the past she claims was sent. Whether you find your emails offensive or not isn't the issue. I do not wish to receive them as private emails. That is the only issue here. It's really very simple. > The fact is you > send a bunch of crap to me and then get weenie if I respond. I do not send you any private messages at all. You're getting so many things wrong here, I wonder if you're talking to the right person. > Grow up. The > solution, for you, clearly, dont read my posts. Ignore them. Your posts are very easy to ignore when they are on the list. > Dont comment on them I don't, except I did tell you on list that I liked what you'd posted about the Emmylou Harris concert you saw. > and I will do the same with yours. You can comment on what I send to the list however you want to comment, as long as you send it TO THE LIST. > Now move on. Yep, will do. You too. Debra Shea ... that's all folks (do I hear a collective "thank God!" ? :-) ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2001 #230 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she?