From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2001 #228 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Thursday, July 26 2001 Volume 2001 : Number 228 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. Information on the 4th "Annual" New England JoniFest: http://www.jmdl.com/jfne2001.cfm ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Im always true to you darlin' in my fashion [Gordon Mackie ] Re: Okay now I'm REALLY Joni content! [Mags ] Re: Joni At Wembly in London in 1983..... [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Im always true to you darlin' in my fashion [Mags ] [none] ["David Valdez" ] Re: Okay now I'm REALLY steamed, (md-4) [Randy Remote ] this and that [CarltonCT@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 09:49:07 +0100 From: Gordon Mackie Subject: Im always true to you darlin' in my fashion Bob wrote 'After all, she doesn't lie. Joni speaks the truth as she sees it, no matter how much it hurts. That'd be a refreshing change in a president, wouldn't it? ' Intersting...I believe she believes in the truth as she sees it...I suppose that's why I like her...I kind of agree with her politics with a small 'p' ...here comes the big BUT ( one 't' only....though some would call me a big arse) it is her version of reality. I'm sure Richard Nixon or Jeffrey Archer (disgraced British politician and Peer of the Realm sent to jail recently) believe(d) in their preceptions of reality too. Without getting too phenomenologist about it, we all have our unique versions of reality and that's fine. The truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth..... I'm not so sure about that .....hmmm..nah...no such thing. Whoever was looking for the Joni music books ..........I just successfully bid for the Court and Spark and Blue Songbooks on eBay last month . They come up regularly...once every couple of months. You may have to pay @ $30 for each tho. Have a good day y'all... Vincent Van Gogh ( who shot himself and died two days later) PS I will probably stop the famous suicide 'sign offs' soon ...honest. Would I tell a lie? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 08:09:02 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni At Wembly in London in 1983..... <> No, Joni wasn't a part of the Live Aid concert, maybe you're thinking of the Farm Aid gig, which she WAS a part of. She has been involved in several other bennies as well, and she seems to pick the ones she most whole-heartedly agrees with. Her contribution to the "Live Aid" project was as a contributor to the Canadian 'version' of "We Are The World", a song called "Tears Are Not Enough". Bob NP: Rumba Club, "Sonaremos El Tambo" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 13:29:17 +0100 (GMT Daylight Time) From: "colin" Subject: Re: Im always true to you darlin' in my fashion Without getting too phenomenologist about it, we all have our unique versions of reality and that's fine. The truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth..... I'm not so sure about that .....hmmm..nah...no such thing. you are quite right! Absolute Truth is something NO ON E knows. All we know is what percieve individually to be the truth, or relaity. Each of us percieves differently and our experiences are different so our constructs of meaning are diffferent. we cannot step outisde of this either so all is subjective and cannot be objective. bw colin ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 08:31:33 -0400 From: Mags Subject: Re: Joni At Wembly in London in 1983..... SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: > > > < Enough".>> Bob, the Tears Are Not Enough video you mention is wonderful and emotional...have you seen it? It demonstrates a nice friendship/closeness between Joni and Neil Young who was in it too. tired magsie, up now weather report: cooler than it was :-))) > > > Bob > > NP: Rumba Club, "Sonaremos El Tambo" - -- And this loving is a drawing close, a tuning in, an opening. Until one perfect moment; but how can it be expressed? A receiving, an enfolding as I cradle you in my arms. Within my heart, within my soul, You are my true love. --Lui Collins - --- _~O / /\_, ___/\ /_ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 08:39:22 -0400 From: Mags Subject: Re: Okay now I'm REALLY Joni content! Murphycopy@aol.com wrote: > > << > president. > Although her Canadian birth makes her ineligible to run for president of the > US, maybe we could join with Canada in creating a special one-time office for > Joni -- President for Life of North America! She could run on the > Folk/Rock/Jazz Ticket, since I'm sure she'd never want to be a part of any > established Canadian or American political parties. > > So vote for Joni Mitchell -- She rules!>>> Bob, I think this is a brilliant solution to the political ills of both our countries. The only change I would make to your plan is to incorporate the US as another province...or I suppose we could consider making it a new territory because of its geographical size. All we need to do now is break the news to our Joni and Monsieur Chretien. Mais oui. Mags. > > > Take care, > > --Bob > > NP: Chelsea Morning > > :-) - -- And this loving is a drawing close, a tuning in, an opening. Until one perfect moment; but how can it be expressed? A receiving, an enfolding as I cradle you in my arms. Within my heart, within my soul, You are my true love. --Lui Collins - --- _~O / /\_, ___/\ /_ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 08:48:25 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni At Wembly in London in 1983..... <> If I have, I don't recall it. I know that I've heard the song...maybe if someone has a copy we can seed a video tree or something! Bob NP: Mainstreet, "Only A Dream" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 08:53:21 -0400 From: Mags Subject: Re: Im always true to you darlin' in my fashion colin wrote: > > > < is what percieve individually to be the truth, or relaity. Each of us > percieves differently and our experiences are different so our constructs of > meaning are diffferent. we cannot step outisde of this either so all is > subjective and cannot be objective.>> I agree with you Colin....truth is a relative thing. I also agree about the subjectivity of our truths too. Makes perfect sense to me. As a wise man once said .... it's all a matter of perception ;-) Mags. > > > - -- And this loving is a drawing close, a tuning in, an opening. Until one perfect moment; but how can it be expressed? A receiving, an enfolding as I cradle you in my arms. Within my heart, within my soul, You are my true love. --Lui Collins - --- _~O / /\_, ___/\ /_ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 10:49:01 EDT From: MDESTE1@aol.com Subject: Re: Okay now I'm REALLY steamed, (md-4) <<>> Earth to Randy: 16% of taxes go to defense. Are you doing this ignorance thing on purpose or what ? 64% of all tax revenues go towards transfer payments from Social Security to welfare to medicare etc. The remnaining 20% goes for all the programs people argue about. Ill send you the official chart from OMB if you want. marcel ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 11:34:32 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Shawn dsk wrote: > NP: Shawn Colvin, Shotgun Down the Avalanche, live. (Thanks, Catherine; I love > this song and especially this version; the guitar playing sparkles.) A real classic. Because of some wonderful JMDL trade I have it live with Shawn and Mary Chapin Carpenter. A real winner. Jerry, excited about seeing Mary Chapin for the fifth time next Friday. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 16:09:13 -0600 From: "David Valdez" Subject: [none] I'm new to this discussion list. I've read some posts where some of you have some recorded interviews of Ms. Mitchell and/or recording of some of her performances. How can I get a hold of some of these recordings. Big fan for years, unfortunately I have never had the pleasure of attending any of Ms. Mitchell's live performances. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 17:16:34 -0700 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: Okay now I'm REALLY steamed, (md-4) MDESTE1@aol.com wrote: > << proves the cold war was a farce all along, and Eisenhower was right about the military-industrial complex>>> > > Earth to Randy: 16% of taxes go to defense. Are you doing this ignorance thing on purpose or what ? Randy to Earth: Clarification: 54% of the $1.84 trillion federal spending for the next fiscal year goes to legally required entitlements: Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid and some smaller programs. 11% goes to pay interest on previous debt. Of the 35% left, $634 billion, "discretionary spending" $279 billion, nearly half, will go to the military. The Pentagon budget rose $13.5 billion last year under Clinton, the first increase since the cold war. U.S. defence is ten times the second place nation (Britian). Larger than the rest of the G-8 countries combined. Your 3% phone tax? Most of it goes to the military. While Bush is, of course, a major cheerleader for military expansion, it should be noted that the 'Star Wars' plan was revived by Clinton, and Gore's military spending plan did not differ much from Mr. Bush's. Where is the peace dividend? Are we more vulnerable to military threat than the other G-8 countries? Could all this money be used more productively; US and world hunger, maybe? Crumbling Schools? Does building up our war machine really make us (and the rest of the world) safer? RR ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 10:33:29 +1000 From: john low Subject: RE: jonis speaking voice David Lahm wrote: >Sweet Bird" always reminded me of the phrase "Sweet >Bird of Youth," which was the title of a Tennessee >Williams play in the 50s but which, I suspect, >he was adapting from a much older source. The English poet John Milton also wrote of a "sweet bird"! I came across these lines recently: "Sweet bird, that shunn'st the noise of folly, most musical, most melancholy." (Il Penseroso) John (in Sydney). __________________________________________________________________ Get your free Australian email account at http://www.start.com.au ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 00:01:41 EDT From: CarltonCT@aol.com Subject: this and that Hey Joniacs - I've had to go into lurk mood because I've been swamped with work and am about halfway through writing a science fiction novel I've been meaning to write for nine years, but I wanted to respond to a few things. Regarding Joni's stories, some of us have heard a young Joni talking about the writing of "Carnival in Kenora" and how she admits to giving all the wrong folklore about this place. She told people that Kenora was an Indian name and it meant "lake of many pontoons". She then goes on to talk about the real Kenora, a small town in Ontario, that she had only glimpsed once from the wrong side of the train. The reason she used "Kenora" is because it goes well with Carnival. Carnival in Kenora has consonance and assonance and sounds much prettier than "Carnival in Sudbury." I was also struck with a somewhat incomplete story she told about the missing cat who inspired "Man From Mars". She once told a local D.J. that the song took two weeks to write and at the end of writing it, the cat came back. What a fitting ending. However, she tells the more complete story in a different interview where she talks about painting a picture of the cat and using that picture for a flyer. The flyer worked, and she went to pick up the cat from a neighbor. In the previous story, it sounded like the cat came back to her. She also mentions that the cat ran away from her after she manhandled him by the tail for peeing on her chairs. That may be why she didn't tell the whole story. Joni's whole life has been about exploring personas - she is all and none of the guises she has assumed. It's interesting to hear early recorded conversations with her when she was a folkie and Baez was her model and she speaks in deeper alto tones. Later, her speaking voice was very high and childlike during her feminine Ladies of the Canyon period when she personified the hippie chick/earth mother. Everyone who was attached to this image of her was jolted when she appeared on the cover of Hejira with make up, a beret and a full length mink coat. Both my sister Jill and I (hi!) have heard interviews with Joni where she is pouring on the Canadian accent which vanishes all together at other times. I remember straight friends of mine in the Seventies who all loved David Bowie getting ready to see him in concert. These were all men who put on make up and glitter and midriffs and four inch platforms during the glam rock days. When they finally went to see Bowie, he walked out wearing a short hair cut, no make up and a suit. So many artists have manipulated their personas in order to maintain a mystique. Frank Sinatra was also brilliant at it and changed his personas throughout his career. I liked him when he came off as the lonely, urban male with a raincoat over his shoulder, a pork pie hat tipped jauntily to the side, and songs about both loving and losing. What singers do is the same thing that fiction writers do: they tell lies that tell the truth. I could segue that into another Eminem discussion ... Incidentally, thanks to Mark D. for a great job on the tabs of Carnival In Kenora. Such a pretty, pretty song that someone should make more famous. And as for Colin's comment about there being no culture in America - hello? How about jazz, rock and roll, Hollywood, Frank Lloyd Wright, Hemingway, Fitzgerald, Dickinson, Whitman, Thoreau, Emerson, etc. etc. I will quote what one famous Englishman had to say about his own culture: "The only thing worse than English music and English painting is English food." On the food part, I must completely concur and whenever I am in London, I would starve except for restaurants operated by Indians, Chinese, French and Italians. Colin's right about Bush though and his unpopular stance regarding the Kyoto treaty. We had some bad blood on this list during the election controversy, but Colin should keep in mind that many, perhaps most Americans, do not accept Bush as our genuinely elected official. After a recent New York times report, it looks as if Gore (a staunch environmentalist) not only won the popular vote, but the votes of Floridians as well. Putting two oil men in the Presidency is like putting the wolf in charge of the sheep when it comes to the environment. I personally am embarrassed to be a part of a culture that consumes 26 per cent of the world's goods, creates most of its air pollution, and is ultimately trying to sustain a standard of living which is damaging and unsustainable. Regardless, much Joni and good summer tidings to you all! - - Clark NP: Radiohead, Amnesiac ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2001 #228 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she?