From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2001 #226 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Tuesday, July 24 2001 Volume 2001 : Number 226 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. Information on the 4th "Annual" New England JoniFest: http://www.jmdl.com/jfne2001.cfm ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- beginning the hejira [greenstudio@sympatico.ca] Subject: RE: jonis speaking voice, Long ["Kate Bennett" ] warren zevon ["Bill Dollinger" ] RE: "PC" [Alison E ] Leo Days [Susan Guzzi ] RE: Leo Days ["Wally Kairuz" ] Arcane Joni Quiz #1 [Vince Lavieri ] Re: jonis speaking voice, Long [Randy Remote ] Re: jonis speaking voice, Long [RoseMJoy@aol.com] Re: jonis speaking voice, Long [Randy Remote ] Re: jonis speaking voice, Long [RoseMJoy@aol.com] Re: Joni on new benefit CD [Michael Paz ] Re: Feliz D=?ISO-8859-1?B?7Q==?=a del Amigo [Michael Paz ] Joni At Wembly in London in 1983..... ["Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Subject: RE: jonis speaking voice, Long Jim wrote,"I dunno. Maybe she _does_ browse the dictionary. (I don't, but then I haven't written poetry or songs.) I suppose it's possible that she was browsing a dictionary." I imagine she does & most likely the thesaurus too...I know I do when I get stuck & want to find the right word for something... ******************************************** Kate Bennett www.katebennett.com sponsored by Polysonics www.polysonics.com Discover the Indies at Taylor Guitars: http://www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/bennett.html ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 08:07:29 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Seeking Joni Interview Participant Info. <> Hi Lindsey! Is this the Capitol Radio "Special Conversation for Radio" CMIARS CD or the BBC Radio 1 interview? The BBC Interview was done by Johnny Walker. I'll have to check my CD if it's the Promo CD one. Bob NP: The Smiths, "Shoplifters of the World Unite" (Now there's a thread...true confessions, have you ever shoplifted and what's the most expensive thing?) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 09:38:39 EDT From: Jodcrazee@aol.com Subject: Re: Melanie Why did people like Melanie? I was turned onto her when I was six years old. I still listen to her. You must have missed out on some recordings. I like Joni alot better but I am thankful my Dad listened to Melanie and she caught my ear. Julie ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 10:36:16 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: New interview <> Thanks for the tip, Les, and also to that wonderful Irish bloke that supplied it!! Lots of new information there...I especially had to grin at this comment from Joni: "So we got out of Michigan and went down to the Carolinas and found out that South Carolina was too far south - I refused to work there any more. " Bob NP: Sonic Youth, "Skip Tracer" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 10:02:24 -0500 From: "Donna J. Binkley" Subject: RE: Melanie That's true, a few years ago i saw her at the Kerrville Folk Festival and her 2 daughters, around l8 and 21 at the time i think, sang with her on a few songs. And believe me her voice is strong as ever - plus they made a great singing team! Donna - -----Original Message----- From: les@jmdl.com [mailto:les@jmdl.com]On Behalf Of Bruyere Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2001 10:06 PM To: Jerry Notaro; Relayer211@aol.com Cc: sybilskelton@hotmail.com; joni@smoe.org Subject: Re: Melanie Melanie performed at the 1998 Woodstock. I enjoyed her performance and her humor. If I remember correctly, a couple of her children now play with her. Heather At 01:28 PM 7/21/01 -0400, Jerry Notaro wrote: >Relayer211@aol.com wrote: > > > In a message dated 7/21/01 11:05:41 AM Eastern Daylight Time, > > sybilskelton@hotmail.com writes: > > > > << s "and who is this Melanie chick?" >> > > > > Why did people like Melanie? Unlike Joni's beautiful voice, > Melanie had > > a very week voice. > >Not the least bit true. I see Melanie sing live at least once a year here >in FL >where she lives. Her voice is big and powerful and most of her show run 2 1/2 >hours long. > >Jerry > >NP: Dave Matthews Band: The Lillywhite Sessions ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 14:36:27 -0400 From: "Bill Dollinger" Subject: warren zevon I just found this reference on a warren zevon site: Well, on a recently acquired bootleg, Warren says "I've only got two favorite songwriters, and this isn't a Joni Mitchell song" and proceeds to cover "First We Take Manhattan" by" MY other favorite songwriter. bill ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 11:45:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Alison E Subject: RE: "PC" hell, i'm so sorry! i hoped you wouldnt take that, my opinion on "PC" personally, and you did, and its my fault for venting on a pet peeve in reponse to your email. i didnt mean to insult or insinuate against you personally AT ALL. i should have been more clear in the first place that i was speaking to the "you" as in all, anyone who's reading, etc. NOT YOU personally, hell. i was not questioning the sincerity or honesty in your desire to address people with the most current, socially/personally sensitive term, i was commenting on some people's ideas of "PC". as you may already have guessed, i respect and like you very much and would feel awful if i knew that i had hurt your feelings. alison e. in nyc np: patty larkin, regrooving the dream. - --- hell wrote: > First off, I agree with everything you've said, and > perhaps my choice of > expression, ie. PC, was the wrong one. Maybe I > shouldn't have said anything > at all, e I'm visiting your fair country in > a short while, I would > like to be clear on what is and is not an offensive > term. Not in terms of > labelling anyone by their colour, but more by their > culture, which I would > think is important to most people (it is to me), and > something I'm always > interested in discussing when I meet new > people/friends. > > Personally I don't give a damn whether someone is > black, white, yellow, red, > green or purple, as long as they treat me with > respect, and know that they > will receive the same in kind. I've never judged > people by their > appearances - I know only too well the hurt that > comes from people seeing > only the exterior. I'm sure there are many people I > meet that only see me > as the "fat woman" and don't bother to get to know > me as a person. Their > loss. > I could rant and rave on this subject all day, and > probably get more > emotional about it - as it is I've had to wait > several hours before posting > this much. Best I stop now, and just reiterate that > I'm not interested in > labelling anyone, but like it or not, we are all > different, and come from > different backgrounds, and I'd like to be able to > discuss that, without > causing offense with the careless use of a misplaced > word. > Hell Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 12:17:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Susan Guzzi Subject: Leo Days Wally wrote: KEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEERRYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!!!!!!!!!!!!! YES, YOU: H A P P Y B I R T H D A Y I don't know how he does it but he really IS the birthday fairy! Thanks for the heads up Wally! And Kerry Happy Birthday - Leo sista! Hope it's the best B-Day yet and I hope the best is yet to come for you! Now I seem to remember there is another Leo who's B-Day celebration is imminent ... from down under? I am getting my big mouth shut and I will leave Wally to do his duty as Birthday Fairy! Peace Susan NPIMH: Sweetbird ... you are ...briefer than a falling star. All these vain promises on beauty jars ..... Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 17:52:21 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: Leo Days and you'd better get ready too, because the BF knows your Bday too........... the BF - -----Mensaje original----- De: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]En nombre de Susan Guzzi Enviado el: Lunes, 23 de Julio de 2001 04:17 p.m. Para: Joni Discussion Asunto: Leo Days Wally wrote: KEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEERRYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!!!!!!!!!!!!! YES, YOU: H A P P Y B I R T H D A Y I don't know how he does it but he really IS the birthday fairy! Thanks for the heads up Wally! And Kerry Happy Birthday - Leo sista! Hope it's the best B-Day yet and I hope the best is yet to come for you! Now I seem to remember there is another Leo who's B-Day celebration is imminent ... from down under? I am getting my big mouth shut and I will leave Wally to do his duty as Birthday Fairy! Peace Susan NPIMH: Sweetbird ... you are ...briefer than a falling star. All these vain promises on beauty jars ..... Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 19:01:53 -0400 From: Vince Lavieri Subject: Arcane Joni Quiz #1 The answer comes from the announcement board from my home: (my home is Comiskey Park, where the White Sox play, my home away from home being my apartment where I live when not at Comiskey) The answer was posted during last Friday's game, the tribute to music night. I was so struck by the information that I wrote it in my scorecard! The question is: what do Parliament Funkadelic and Joni Mitchell have in common? (the Rev) Vince (For the handful who care, I was at Friday's game with Rocky Biddle's dad, Rocky Biddle's dad's wife, Mark Buehrle's brother, Comiskey Park celeb and Cook County deputy sheriff Get Up Guy, and lesser known but yet beloved White Sox illuminaries such as HotSoxChick1, Zach23, Joe and Lori Batters, imadman, mrs imadman, and imadteenager, and NorthSideConvert, and I ended up doing a great dance to "Love Shack" in the Stadium Club somewhere after midnight - it was my night to boogie down with the rich, famous, and near famous - it was a memorable evening! Sorry to bore with this, but no one in Michigan gives a damn about my White Sox adventures but there are a few of you out there who can appreciate it... thanks for enduring me...) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 16:23:10 -0700 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: jonis speaking voice, Long Jim L'Hommedieu wrote: > But folks..... > > If "Chinese Cafe" isn't **about** a conversation with Carole King, then > "Being For The Benefit Of Mister Kite" isn't **about** a circus poster! But the lyrics are addressed to a childhood friend named Carol... > Moving on to the title "Hejira". Joni has claimed that she was browsing > a dictionary with half-a-mind to find a word to describe > > 'Leaving the dream, > no blame.' > > (Yeah, she speaks like that.) The phrase 'no blame' is from the I Ching, which Joni seems to be familiar with; 'hexagram of the heavens' is a reference to it, too. RR ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 20:54:29 EDT From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: jonis speaking voice, Long In a message dated 7/23/01 7:31:55 PM Eastern Daylight Time, guitarzan@saber.net writes: > The phrase 'no blame' is from the I Ching, which Joni seems > to be familiar with; 'hexagram of the heavens' is a reference > to it, too. > Yes, I'm convinced that in Amelia, Joni definitely was making reference to a hexagram of the I-Ching. It could possibly be Hexagram 1/The Creative. Each hexagram is made up of a lower and upper trigram consisting in 6 lines in total. 6 jet planes 6 strings of her guitar Amelia by Joni Mitchell I was driving across the burning desert When I spotted six jet planes Leaving six white vapor trails across the bleak terrain It was the hexagram of the heavens it was the strings of my guitar What's interesting about this particular hexagram is a cast of 9 in the 4th place: Nine in the fourth place means: Wavering flight over depths. No Blame. A place of transition has been reached, and free choice can enter in. A twofold possibility is presented to the great man: he can soar to the heights and play an important part in the world, or he can withdraw into solitude and develop himself. He can go the way of the hero or that of the holy sage who seeks seclusion. There is no general law to say which of the two is the right way. Each one in this situation must make a free choice according to the inner law of his being. If the individual acts consistently and is true to himself, he will find the way that is appropriate for him. This way is right for him and is without blame. Anyone who has never consulted the I-Ching, there's a neat site that has an interactive experience at http://www.floweressences.com/IChing.html you may have to download Macromedia Shockwave plugin if you don't already have it. So go now my little grasshoppers and draw from the spring of wisdom. Peace, Rose in NJ rosemjoy@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 18:09:02 -0700 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: jonis speaking voice, Long RoseMJoy@aol.com wrote: > Yes, I'm convinced that in Amelia, Joni definitely was making > reference to a > hexagram of the I-Ching. It could possibly be Hexagram 1/The Creative. I've always assumed it was this one, too. The 6 solid lines are yang-creative energy as opposed to broken lines with are passive, earth (ie the opposite of heaven) energy. This matches the 6 'strings of my guitar'. I don't picture her running around with broken strings! Joni's use of eastern and/or esoteric imagery extends to zen in Moon at the Window-taken from a famous zen story- and astrology in DJRD's title song. Yin-Yang principle in S&L? Others? RR ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 22:06:40 EDT From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: jonis speaking voice, Long In a message dated 7/23/01 9:15:11 PM Eastern Daylight Time, guitarzan@saber.net writes: > This matches the 6 'strings of my guitar'. I don't picture her > running around with broken strings! but perhaps missing ones! LMAO > Joni's use of eastern and/or esoteric imagery extends to zen > in Moon at the Window-taken from a famous zen story- > and astrology in DJRD's title song. Yin-Yang principle > in S&L? Others? > Which Zen story is this Randy? The only other one that come immediately to mind is The Silky Veils of Ardor I am a poor wayfaring stranger Traveling through all these highs and lows (hexagram 56 The Traveler) I use to think maybe "SweetBird was giving reference to 53. Development, but it could be a little far fetched. The wild goose gradually draws near the cloud heights. It's feathers can be used for the sacred dance. Rose back to seclusion rosemjoy@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 22:29:52 -0700 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: Joni on new benefit CD Damn if I know!!!?? Not that I remember, but you know so many gigs/towns/women (so little time) and so much brain damage. I can't for the life of me place this company. i will check it out tho. thanks for the heads up on this. Paz (back from a wonderful weekend of music and friendship in NashVegas) on 7/20/01 5:18 PM, Randy Remote at guitarzan@saber.net wrote: > This item appeared in the 7/14/01 Billboard. I'm trying to > get more info regarding Joni's contribution. > > Valley Entertainment will release 'The Great Stupa Project', > a two-CD set benefiting a Tibetan Buddhist center in Colorado. > Artists will include Billboard Century Award honoree for 1995 > Joni Mitchell, Sting, Delbert McClinton, Leonard Cohen, and > Graham Nash. > > Paz, aren't you affiliated with Valley? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 22:30:59 -0700 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: Feliz D=?ISO-8859-1?B?7Q==?=a del Amigo Igualmente Edgardo! Muy agradecido. Ojala que la paces bien. Michael on 7/20/01 7:52 PM, Edgardo Viegas at viegas@sinectis.com.ar wrote: > Feliz dma del amigo para todos los miembros del JMDL > EDGARDO VIEGAS:) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 22:49:09 -0700 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: Leo Days Kerry get out your cane!!!! And happy freaking birthday to you.. Paz on 7/23/01 12:17 PM, Susan Guzzi at groovchacha@yahoo.com wrote: > Wally wrote: > > KEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEERRYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!!!!!!!!!!!!! > > YES, YOU: > > H A P P Y B I R T H D A Y > > I don't know how he does it but he really IS the > birthday fairy! Thanks for the heads up Wally! And > Kerry Happy Birthday - Leo sista! Hope it's the best > B-Day yet and I hope the best is yet to come for you! > Now I seem to remember there is another Leo who's > B-Day celebration is imminent ... from down under? I > am getting my big mouth shut and I will leave Wally to > do his duty as Birthday Fairy! > Peace > Susan > > NPIMH: Sweetbird ... you are ...briefer than a falling > star. All these vain promises on beauty jars ..... > Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger > http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 01:16:48 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Joni At Wembly in London in 1983..... Does anyone have this most excellent Amnesty International appearance on tree-able videotape or a stereo simulcast of the audio? A bug told me it's great. It's my favorite performance of "Chinese Cafe". I am totally hooked on that hypnotic coda and she really lingers over it in London. Lama ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2001 #226 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she?