From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2001 #220 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Wednesday, July 18 2001 Volume 2001 : Number 220 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. Information on the 4th "Annual" New England JoniFest: http://www.jmdl.com/jfne2001.cfm ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Today's Articles: July 17 [les@jmdl.com] Island Life [Gordon Mackie ] Joni & Colorado ["kerry" ] black folk into joni (sjc) ["shane mattison" ] RE: Island Life ["Wally Kairuz" ] RE: Island Life ["Donna J. Binkley" ] My trip to the Northwest - long, but JC [Phyliss Ward ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 03:01:45 -0400 From: les@jmdl.com Subject: Today's Articles: July 17 On July 17 this article was published: 1998: "Dylan, Mitchell, and Morrison a Hit and Miss Event" - Goldmine (Review - Concert) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/docs/980717g.cfm - ------------------------ The JMDL Article Database has 609 titles. http://www.jmdl.com/articles ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 10:56:12 +0100 From: Gordon Mackie Subject: Island Life Re Donna's 'suicide'/cobain/sympathy thread....some deranged musings...Is the need to express an opinion the greatest act of selfishness of an individual?...discuss. Is there a difference between an informed view and an opinion borne of ignorance? Is one more inherently of more worth than the other?. Is one more dangerous than the other? I have some thoughts but no ultimate answers. Probably the most famous writer on the topic of suicide was Emile Durkhiem. I find him insightful and worthy of a read, particularly on his classifications of different types of suicude. Any good basic sociology reader has this.. oh...and after a long slog on this planet, Durkhiem committed suicide. On a different but related vein...as a great lover of literature and opera,think of how many great works of art would not exist without suicide! I said this would be short...ho hum..as usual taking up to much space! FB Pinkerton ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 07:08:37 -0500 From: "kerry" Subject: Joni & Colorado Just got back from a wonderful trip to the Rocky Mountains. We didn't listen to much music (in addition to the natural type), so I had this snippet going through my head the whole week!!! It was perfect since words to describe all the beauty I experienced failed me: I was born and raised In New York City I'm just getting used to Colorado Oh street bravado Carry me Why did you bring me to A place so wild and pretty? Are there pigeons in this park Muggers after dark In these golden trees In the secret place? I'm going to take you to My special place It's a place no amount of hurt and anger Can deface I put things back together there It all falls right in place In my special space My special place Kerry (who hopes to have the time to catch up on digests) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 11:58:04 -0600 From: "shane mattison" Subject: black folk into joni (sjc) julius wrote: <> julius, i just want you to know that this gives me joy thinking about it and i would love to hear any more about this topic that you may or may not feel like sharing... there has always been decipherable some kind of canadian - american black bond, from the time of the underground railroad until now... funny how things filter through...i remember having beers, probably underage, in a downtown philly bar...it was, a black guy told me sitting near, not a bar for whites...i told him i was canadian and didn't know that...and then he warmed to me and welcomed me to the establishment because i was canadian and canadian was cool... so there i was an underage blond 17 year old soakin' up the schlitz's with some pretty 'jazzy cats'...needless to say i ended up playing piano at a pretty boudoir-looking nitespot called "mae's place" that same evening...every weekend i was welcome to add my stride piano to the general atmosphere, the shadier sides of which i was, like a prairie boy off the farm, totally oblivious... its partly perhaps the lack of a jaded filter also in joni mitchell, a transplant on the american scene...and someone with her talent cannot fail to recognize that the distinctively north american music, especially jazz but also rock and blues owes its origins and inspiration to the legacy of the american black... charles mingus was a legend in his own time...that he would dedicate his last songs to joni's care was a fabulous display of guts and intuition... but you and other black members of this list can tell me much more, than to have this greenhorn ramble on... ciao, shane ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 15:53:05 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: Island Life suicide is a central topic in my life. no irony intended. what's that book your talking about mackie? cio cio san - -----Mensaje original----- De: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]En nombre de Gordon Mackie Enviado el: Martes, 17 de Julio de 2001 06:56 a.m. Para: joni@smoe.org Asunto: Island Life Probably the most famous writer on the topic of suicide was Emile Durkhiem. I find him insightful and worthy of a read, particularly on his classifications of different types of suicude. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 14:27:36 -0500 From: "Donna J. Binkley" Subject: RE: Island Life Boy i really opened up a can of worms with that one! I think the last time we had a discussion this big was over whether Joni actually peed in said parking in LA and if a Tequila Anaconda was an actual drink made with urine! Now this was meant to be funny - please someone be laughing... Donna (thinking about changing my identity) tee hee - -----Original Message----- From: les@jmdl.com [mailto:les@jmdl.com]On Behalf Of Wally Kairuz Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2001 1:53 PM To: Gordon Mackie; joni@smoe.org Subject: RE: Island Life suicide is a central topic in my life. no irony intended. what's that book your talking about mackie? cio cio san - -----Mensaje original----- De: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]En nombre de Gordon Mackie Enviado el: Martes, 17 de Julio de 2001 06:56 a.m. Para: joni@smoe.org Asunto: Island Life Probably the most famous writer on the topic of suicide was Emile Durkhiem. I find him insightful and worthy of a read, particularly on his classifications of different types of suicude. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 14:57:24 -0700 From: Phyliss Ward Subject: My trip to the Northwest - long, but JC I've finally recooperated from my trip to Seattle and Victoria B.C. and wanted to share some Joni moments with you all... First of all, as my Emerald City Compadres have already shared quite adequately, Bob and I had a wonderful time sharing dinner and conversation in Seattle. It doesn't matter where you go, Joni folk are just the greatest, period. In Victoria we attended a week long workshop in clay at Metchosin International Summer School of the Arts. Being as we lived in a dorm and shared everything from bathrooms to meals with our fellow artists, I had a lot of opporunities to converse with some of the local ones. It was amazing how much brighter the lightbulb shines up there when you mention Joni. They certainly seem to appreciate her more there. I met 2 people in particular who had Joni stories of interest. My new friend Chris lives in Saskatoon.. He is a huge fan of Joni's and tried very hard to impress me with all his Joni knowledge. Of course from being on this list it is hard to come up with something new to me. (I told him I had a PhD in Joni) However, he did share that he used to live in a rather large house. A few years ago he put it on the market and guess who came to check it out?! He begged the Real Estate agent to please let him be there when she came but no cigar. Of course, Joni didn't buy the home but it was his small claim to fame. He invited me to town sometime so he could show me all the Joni sites....maybe someday... My other new pal Lorrie had quite an interesting story about Joni's influence on her and was kind enough to summarize it for us. so here it is... ****** Must have been in 1962 when I was about 14 years old, my brother, Sandy, would have been 19 or so. Sandy and his pals frequented a coffee house in the basement of a United Church in downtown Calgary, Alberta. The Coffee house was a rather new concept, following on the heels of the beatnik scene at The Java Cafe. Folkies were finding their place in our small city. I was a big fan of The Kingston Trio, as my brother had all their albums. I borrowed an old guitar from the family across the street so I could pick out the tunes I was singing along to. This old guitar was very warped and the strings must have been a decade old. I knew nothing about pain till I spent a few hours on that guitar with my soft little fingers. Little fingers! I just measured my index finger - - it's 2.25". Try stretching those out to a C or F chord on a big-old guitar and pressing down strings that are about an inch away from the neck. Sandy was sooo excited one morning at breakfast. He said "You've just got to hear this girl that plays at the coffee house, Lorrie. She plays a baritone uke and is just fantastic. You'd be able to play a ukulele more easily than a guitar, and if you hear Joni Mitchell play, you'll know just how good a uke can sound." I finally worked up the nerve to go to the coffee house one weekend. I looked about 8 years old so I hovered near the back, as unobtrusively as possible. In fact, I was so self-conscious that I didn't stay more than 10 minutes -- didn't even make it as far as the table where you had to pay to get in. But I was there long enough to know that I was listening to magic... I had never heard an instrument sound so weird and wonderful as that baritone uke. I bought a uke and there went my worries. And that's my story. ***** So, Lorrie is one of those rare folks who heard Joni play in the folk/uke days. She shared with me that her brother was a huge fan, and saw Joni play often in the old days. She would have loved for him to share but sadly he met his end in an automobile accident. - -- Phyliss, posting for the year ; - ) mailto:pward@datacourse.com http://www.mylexxus.com/welcome.asp?site=goldenfig ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 22:09:46 EDT From: Lazyasz@aol.com Subject: Hello i'm new! Hey guys, My name is Damien and I am a 19 year old currently enrolled at UCI pursuing a degree in philosophy. I became interested in Joni Mitchell through the VH1 program 100 Greatest Women in Rock, the special on TNT, and my mom's own remembrance of her obsession with C&S back in the day! I have currently Joni's entire 70's output, plus SAL and Hits&Misses. Right now i'm really into DJRD, Mingus, FTR, Hejira, C&S. Currently i'm obsessed with Mingus (so good its criminal) and DJRD (is Paprika Plains not genius?). I'm really the only person I know my age who listens to Joni. Although one girl in my dorm during the past year lent my her copy of LOTC. (And this was the Fine Arts Dorm :r) I must say that she is so original and I can hear so much influence of her work in that of today's artists. Paula Cole, Tori, Bjork, Sarah and so much more. Her guitar work is so innovative. I personally think Mingus is the greatest example of this-never heard an acoustic guitar played like that before. Well I have so much to share I hope to frequently contribute to this list. Until next time bye. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 13:45:34 +1000 From: john low Subject: Mermaid Cafe & Carey Trivia I just want to say 'thank you' to Harry for bringing the "Mermaid Cafi" article to our attention and Brenda for providing the link. "Carey" is one of my favourite Joni songs and I really enjoyed reading it. After I did so, I stuck the name "Mermaid Cafi" into Google and was surprised how many of these cafes there are around the world. There are Mermaid Cafes in Dublin, Plymouth MA, the Bahamas, Las Vegas and even 'down under' in Tasmania and on Waiheke Island, New Zealand. Ever been there Hell? Its just a short ferry ride from you! The search also turned up other interesting references to Carey. For example, I came across a poem with clear references to JMs song, called "At the Mermaid Cafi" by John Tetrault. You can find it at: http://www3.ns.sympatico.ca/tetrault.kennedy/mermaid.html Then, I learnt that Cyndi Lauper has performed Carey once in concert  at the Hammerstein Ballroom in New York on 6 April 2000 and that sound and video files can be accessed (though I didnt have the facility to do this). If you are interested go to: http://www.cyndilauper.com/song_det.asp?shname=carey&pr=y I didnt have time to search any more of the over 300 hits that came up. I wonder what other bits of trivia are out there. Cheers, John. __________________________________________________________________ Get your free Australian email account at http://www.start.com.au ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2001 #220 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she?