From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2001 #215 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Friday, July 13 2001 Volume 2001 : Number 215 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. Information on the 4th "Annual" New England JoniFest: http://www.jmdl.com/jfne2001.cfm ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Chalkmark ["Kate Bennett" ] memory [colin ] Re: memory [Relayer211@aol.com] Re: memory [Mags ] A semi-Joni night [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: A semi-Joni night ["Mark or Travis" ] Re: Joni, WTRF, and drugs (md) [MDESTE1@aol.com] Re: Chalkmark [Don Rowe ] Re: Joni, WTRF, and drugs [RoseMJoy@aol.com] Re: Joni, WTRF, and drugs [IVPAUL42@aol.com] Jonifest [AsharaJM@aol.com] Joni CellPhone Ring Tones [Bounced Message ] RE: Joni, WTRF, and drugs [Bounced Message ] Parodies. MJC [Bounced Message ] Re: Joni CellPhone Ring Tones [FMYFL@aol.com] Joni at Red Rocks [MarkPerini@aol.com] Re: Parodies. MJC [FMYFL@aol.com] more WTRF [BachelorNumero2@aol.com] RE: Chalkmark [Don Rowe ] Re: Joni at Red Rocks [Mark Domyancich ] Re: Joni CellPhone Ring Tones [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: more WTRF [Don Rowe ] Re: Joni at Red Rocks [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Joni at Red Rocks [MarkPerini@aol.com] RE: joni on cobain ["Donna J. Binkley" ] RE: joni on cobain ["Donna J. Binkley" ] RE: memory ["Donna J. Binkley" ] RE: memory ["colin" ] RE: joni on cobain ["colin" ] Re: joni on cobain [Jerry Notaro ] Re: more WTRF [Randy Remote ] Re: Joni, WTRF, and drugs [Randy Remote ] Re: memory [Randy Remote ] Re: memory [FMYFL@aol.com] re: Joni & Shawn ["J.W. (yes, Jerome)" ] Re: memory ["colin" ] Re: The Blue Tapestry Thing...SJC ["hell" ] Re: Carole King feature article - SJC - long post ["hell" ] Re: Joni, WTRF, and drugs ["Mark or Travis" ] Re: Parodies. MJC ["Mark or Travis" ] Re: Joni, WTRF, and drugs ["Mark or Travis" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 00:28:55 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Chalkmark I have to speak up for this album...it was the one that brought me back to Joni...after falling off the wagon at Mingus...there was something there I loved...still do...but I love Peter Gabriel.... ******************************************** Kate Bennett www.katebennett.com sponsored by Polysonics www.polysonics.com Discover the Indies at Taylor Guitars: http://www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/bennett.html ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 10:37:32 +0100 From: colin Subject: memory I have a bad memeroy for various things like appointments, what i did yesterday, my designs unless I write it all down, forget where I know people from etc. yet i have an excellent memory for phone numbers and other numbers. I do all my banking via the net. I remember all the passwords and numbers. I can recall a 28 digit number and a 24 sequence of numbers and letters. I wonder why my memory works for the numbers but for ordianry things. Like I will go upstairs or downstairs for something and forget why I went. Soemthimes i foregt what i am talking about in converstaion-I will just stop and think 'what was i saying' and need to be reminded! I often cannot remember the correct track or album for Joni songs. I can sing along to them happily recalling all the words but if they aren't actually playing I can't recall the words at all. Same with Carly. I can't even hum a tune that I have heard thousands of times. I can with hymns and silly ryhmes that i have heard only a few times and can recall jokes. But ask me to hum a favourite Joni or Carly song and I can't. weird. - -- bw colin BRO GC, 950i 940,864, 260, 890,Silver 830 and 270, Passap 6000 Duo80 colin@tantra-apso.com http://www.tantra-apso.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 06:53:03 EDT From: Relayer211@aol.com Subject: Re: memory In a message dated 7/13/01 5:35:51 AM Eastern Daylight Time, colin@tantra-apso.com writes: << I have a bad memory for various things like appointments, what I did yesterday, my designs unless I write it all down, forget where I know people from, etc., yet I have an excellent memory for phone numbers and other numbers. I do all my banking via the net. I remember all the passwords and numbers. I can recall a 28 digit number and a 24 sequence of numbers and letters. I wonder why my memory works for the numbers but for ordinary things. Like I will go upstairs or downstairs for something and forget why I went. Sometimes I forget what I am talking about in conversation will just stop and think 'what was I saying' and need to be reminded! I often cannot remember the correct track or album for Joni songs. I can sing along to them happily recalling all the words but if they aren't actually playing I can't recall the words at all. Same with Carly. I can't even hum a tune that I have heard thousands of times. I can with hymns and silly rhymes that I have heard only a few times and can recall jokes. But ask me to hum a favorite Joni or Carly song and I can't. weird. -- >> There's no doubt about it. Memory is extremely selective and mysterious, and varies greatly from person to person. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 07:01:42 -0400 From: Mags Subject: Re: memory colin wrote: > < yesterday, my designs unless I write it all down, forget where I know > people from etc. > yet i have an excellent memory for phone numbers and other numbers. > I do all my banking via the net. I remember all the passwords and > numbers. I can recall a 28 digit number and a 24 sequence of numbers and > letters.>> > and sleepy magsie writes: Not weird at all .... must be a sign of genius Colin dear. ;-) I can still remember my very first phone number. I have the ability to remember all kinds of numbers too..Ive got a whole bunch of South Jersey phone numbers memorized ;-). Im not sure why the brain works this way. Perhaps Dr. Sigmund can help us. Calling the good doctor..... still playing outside: the sound of those birds on an incredibly gorgeously breathtaking day....get out those halter tops boys and get thyselves to the beach. What an image....okay forgive me, Im just waking up, again. > > > -- > bw > colin > BRO GC, 950i 940,864, 260, 890,Silver 830 and 270, Passap 6000 > Duo80 > colin@tantra-apso.com > http://www.tantra-apso.com - -- And this loving is a drawing close, a tuning in, an opening. Until one perfect moment; but how can it be expressed? A receiving, an enfolding as I cradle you in my arms. Within my heart, within my soul, You are my true love. --Lui Collins - --- _~O / /\_, ___/\ /_ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 08:22:51 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: A semi-Joni night Just a quick post before I prepare to head for the SC Coast and Pawley's Island... Joni thing 1: I don't understand why "Love" isn't considered a happy song. The original text from Paul's letter to the church he started in Corinth is nothing but uplifting joy, and Joni barely tweaks the words in her song, in which she lists the attributes of love and its manifestations. To me it's full of joy and ends WTRF on a very positive note. Sure, the melody isn't upbeat like "Streetlights" and may even contain a touch of melancholy, but the words are not melancholy to my understanding anyway. Joni Thing 2: Went to the Handlebar last night to hear Michelle Malone, and met a couple there who have recently moved here from Italy - I met them through the Springsteen list...and what a grand time we had! It was like hanging with a JMDL'er! Anyway, when I went to buy my ticket for the show, the radio was playing Joni's "Blue Motel Room" Holy smokes! That's the first time I've ever heard BMR on the radio! And it was a portent (I think that's the right word) of things to come; the opening act, a gal from Columbia SC named Danielle Howle, closed her set with a great version of "Woodstock", and introduced it by saying "I'll close with a song by the mother of us all"...needless to say, I was in total jaw-droppin awe! Well, that's it...I've got a laundry list of things to do before we leave tomorrow...y'all have a great day, and I'll be checking in...how could I not? ;~) Bob NP: Ani, "sick of me" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 06:48:56 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: A semi-Joni night > Joni thing 1: I don't understand why "Love" isn't considered a happy song. > The original text from Paul's letter to the church he started in Corinth is > nothing but uplifting joy, and Joni barely tweaks the words in her song, in > which she lists the attributes of love and its manifestations. To me it's > full of joy and ends WTRF on a very positive note. Sure, the melody isn't > upbeat like "Streetlights" and may even contain a touch of melancholy, but > the words are not melancholy to my understanding anyway. I don't count it as a 'happy' song because of the last verse. I'm not familiar enough with the Bible verse to know how much she changed it but the last verse seems to imply that it's impossible to know love in its purest form after we've made the transition from childhood to adulthood. 'Streetlight' is unqualified joy. The last verse of 'Love' is just a tad bit melancholy to me. She ends with 'love's the greatest beauty' so it does end on a positive note! Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 10:05:39 EDT From: MDESTE1@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni, WTRF, and drugs (md) OK just to be fair I took out WTRF and listened to it twice consecutively last night laying on the floor relaxed with earphones. After much consideration my original opinion stands and heres why. First of all, the good. Chinese cafe may be one of Jonis all time best songs but by listening carefully it this time I noticed that her voice is somehow badly mixed. The musical tracks are just awesome on this song. It is the penultimate LA production example. But somehow the vocals are mixed flat (very flat) as if they forgot to do any effect to them to put their texture on the same level as the instrumental tracks. Her voice is normally so good it would be hard to ruin it or make it sound bad but its almost as if her voice is an afterthought. It sounds like shes afraid to stretch it out (or worse) Cant stretch it out. Could it be she pulled a "stills" and blew it out somehow or was it being inflicted upon by things dripping down the back of her throat. Extreem speculation no doubt but unless the vocal track was somehow stripped of effects accidentally or in the CD conversion it is hardly anywhere near as good as on some of her other albums. Then there's all sorts of disjointed sections in the songs themselves. Soaring hard rock crunch chords followed by jazz shuffle sections as if they recorded a majestic rock intro only to "change their mind" in production approach in the next 15 second section. WTRF ends up like a movie trailer wrenching from one style to the next one feeling to the next. Artistic license or loss of cohesive production flow or loss of concentration. Or did they (like others I worked with) simply "forget" where they meant to go. I have difficulty thinking that this was Joni at her best. Notice how during her career she is able to string lengthy songs and chains of songs together seamlessly and all of a sudden heres this album and there are whole sections that just dont fit literally in the same song. And it happens on almost all the songs. Its really an odd album from that standpoint. There are some other possibilities but they are not as compelling. One, she may have been so much in love with a big L that she just wasnt into the concentration level during this project. She got all melty goo goo about big Larry during the entire project gawking at him furtively, heart apounding and aflutter, that she was just distracted (possible)as all get out OR she woke up one morning and said to herself (picture the parents in Home Alone when they realize the alarm hasnt gone off)"Oh My God" my contract says I must finish a new album by this thursday; we better get to the studio and oh goodness I havent written any songs yet, Larry, wake up, can you get some hired guns to all do about 45 seconds of their best riffs and we'll splice them into some songs, wheres my note pad, my kingdom for a melody....". That in fact is what the album sounds like to me. The last possibility is she was totally bored with the "lets try to do rock in LA" schtick and was constantly flippantly trying to enmesh LA sound cool jazz takes smack into shimmering rock sections, because she does that quite a bit on this album, and it just didnt work (of course IMHO). I went back and listened to a few of the ones I was on the fence about like WTRF, Ladies Man, Youre so Square (ultimately possibly the worst song Joni has ever done Id forgotten about it entirely). Of course everyone has likes and dislikes and is entitled to their opinion but this was and remains a strange effort. Would someone please pass me the Turbulent Indigo and For the Roses so I can get back on my feet. Hurl your darts objectors, Im so square I dont care. Now tell me that isnt suck-o poetry. marcel deste ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 07:21:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Don Rowe Subject: Re: Chalkmark There was once a great commercial parody sketch on SNL for an album entitled "Julio & Everybody" ... done when Julio Iglesias (sp?) duet ballads were coming at us at a rate of about 1-per-week. Since then, I've affectionately referred to CMIARS as "Joni & Everybody" ... which it really is! ;-) Don Rowe ===== Visit me anytime at http://www.mp3.com/donrowe Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 10:27:28 EDT From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni, WTRF, and drugs In a message dated 7/12/01 10:20:27 PM Eastern Daylight Time, mark.travis@gte.net writes: > Anyway that's what I think and that is what I said! > > And you think well. Great post Mark! I gave WTRF another go yesterday. Chinese Cafe is about the only song I really can listen to with ease on this album, but I read the lyrics to the other songs as she sang them and I agree that there is some great poetry going on here. I have trouble sometimes understanding what she's saying. I just wish she had put those lyrics to different music. rosemjoy@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 11:15:08 EDT From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni, WTRF, and drugs In a message dated 7/13/01 10:44:47 AM Eastern Daylight Time, RoseMJoy@aol.com writes: > > Anyway that's what I think and that is what I said! > > > > > > And you think well. Great post Mark! I gave WTRF another go yesterday. > Chinese Cafe is about the only song I really can listen to with ease on > this > album, but I read the lyrics to the other songs as she sang them and I > agree > that there is some great poetry going on here. I have trouble sometimes > understanding what she's saying. I just wish she had put those lyrics to > different music. > > rosemjoy@aol.com I think you've all given short shrift to "Man to Man," which to me is the sequel to "Cactus Tree." I think that's a great song, second on WTRF only to Chinese Cafe. But hardly anyone has mentioned Man to Man in their posts about WTRF, though Mark quoted one of several exceptional passages from it. Paul I ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 11:36:47 EDT From: AsharaJM@aol.com Subject: Jonifest A couple of things: 1) For those of you that are not coming to the Fest, but would like to join in on the fun, remember you can be part of the giveaway raffle by sending a check in any amount payable to Jim Johanson to: Ashara Stansfield P.O. Box 215 Topsfield, MA 01983 USA Names will be drawn separately for those who are here, and for those that could not make it. I will be sending the prizes out to the winners that could not make it here. This will greatly benefit Jim, who runs the JoniMitchell.com site, and enter you to win some really cool Joni stuff! 2) I am starting a scholarship program for the first time this year. It has come to my attention that several of our members are in a financial crunch trying to get here this year, and would be greatly helped by donations towards their food costs. If you are able to help in any way towards this, and are able to donate towards this fund in any amount, it will be completely confidential both as to the contributors to the fund, as well as the recipients. If this idea is positively received, and "if" there are any extra monies left over in this fund at the end of the year, I will put them aside for next year's Fest, continuing the tradition. If you can't make it here yourself, perhaps you can donate a few dollars to help someone else. Donations can be sent to me at the above address. Please include a note specifying that it is for the scholarship fund. 3) If you can't make it but would like to phone the party, the best time to call would probably be Friday night, as on Saturday we will be at the church. Please e-mail me privately if you would like the phone number. 4) Lastly, if you are thinking about coming, GO FOR IT!!!!!!!!! It's not too late! Just go to: http://www.jmdl.com/jfne2001.cfm to get all the information. Send in the forms, checks, and picture right away, and get ready for the time of your life! Hugs, Ashara ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 10:44:19 -0600 From: Bounced Message Subject: Joni CellPhone Ring Tones From: "Greer, Ron" Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 14:53:01 +0200 hi does the concept of "covers" extend to cellphone ringtones?????? a quick search of a ringtone site (www.junkmail.co.za) turned up : california carey circle game freeman in paris you turn me on, im a radio. having downloaded "carey" to my cellphone - im glad they told me what it was - - i *never* would have recognised it by just hearing it ;) how about some of our talented musicians turning their hands to cellphones & making some decent ringtones????? ron ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 10:42:46 -0600 From: Bounced Message Subject: RE: Joni, WTRF, and drugs From: "Greer, Ron" Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 09:12:10 +0200 hi >>Mark in seattle wrote >>Since 'Love' is an adaptation of a Biblical verse, I'm not going to >>quote from it. Having just heard it a few minutes ago, I still think >>it is quite lovely. back in the '80s i had a friend who was heading up the advertising section at a local radio station. he told me an interesting story about how he got interested in joni's music. apparently one of his clients was listening to WTRF while thoroughly stoned on acid. when "love" came on, he reckons the room filled with light, and an amazing, comforting, warmth came over him. since my friend was a christian, & very involved with the church at that time, the client came to him to find out if he had any idea what had happened etc. my friend then came to me to find out more about joni, & became quite interested in her music - quite a change from his normal rock/pop which he was listening to up till then. ron ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 10:44:58 -0600 From: Bounced Message Subject: Parodies. MJC From: r.m.seale@att.net Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 15:20:32 +0000 Hello to all, Just finished exploring the parody section. I started out to just skim through, but was completely immersed in the humor. Lol many times hoping not to wake the two other people in the household. As I'm writing this it's four am and if I awakened anyone,God only knows what they thought I was doing.......laughing,humming,singing....next parody....laughing,humming,singing. Oh, who cares I was enjoying myself,not a care in the world. Very creative people the list has. Nobody paid me to say this....really. I bet JM would get a kick out of this....I'm sure she would? I've been a member for just a short time,I'm not a joiner nor a star worshiper. But, with JM as the subject,I bended. My older sister took me to a JM concert back,let's see,I think about 1975. I did not know about her or was I familiar with her music. I was into bubblegum and schlock. Then SHE walked out..black pant outfit,red blouse,goucho hat....HELP ME...she had me, I been hooked ever since. (Although,I did stray for awhile but like any good child I returned home.) I really can't articulate the deep connection I feel for JM and her music. I know members of the list have this same feeling,but as far as I know nobody has quite put their finger on it. Of course,as I said before, I'm new to the JMDL. The sister I mentioned died suddenly May 3rd, two years ago. She and her husband lived in Irvine,CA and flew in at Christmas every year. She would always ask the family or implore everyone not to buy any Christmas gifts. She would often write this request in the card. They didn't want to have to lug all this stuff back on the plane...they wouldn't have room in their suitcases... So that year I thought of the perfect gift;small enough to fit right in her suitcase and something that she would truly love:PWWM. (she had very particular tastes) She was just as big as a fan as I. Mission accomplished.....I didn't piss her off and she truly loved it! So that Christmas eve instead of singing the traditional carols,we rocked with JM. I wished I had known that was to be are last Christmas together. But, JM will always be so central in my thoughts and for making that Christmas soooooo special. First birds a chirping. I'll chime in again sometime. Rebecca np:birds ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 13:59:32 EDT From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni CellPhone Ring Tones In a message dated 7/13/01 12:53:01 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Ron writes: << does the concept of "covers" extend to cellphone ringtones?????? >> "teathered to a ringing cellphone in a room full of mirrors" "cellphone, even the sound of your voice is still new" "I deal in dreamers, and cellphone screamers" Joni's gonna have to change her lyrics to keep up with the times :~) Jimmy (who still has the regular old ring) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 14:07:59 EDT From: MarkPerini@aol.com Subject: Joni at Red Rocks Hi, I recently traded with someone for a copy of Joni at Redrocks. No other info though, like recording date or track list. IBased on some of the newer songs, it sounds like it was recorded in the late 90's. Does anybody have any info on this show they could share with me? Thanks! Mark Perini markperini@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 14:33:39 EDT From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: Parodies. MJC Rebecca wrote: << So that Christmas eve instead of singing the traditional carols,we rocked with JM. I wished I had known that was to be are last Christmas together. But, JM will always be so central in my thoughts and for making that Christmas soooooo special. First birds a chirping. I'll chime in again sometime. >> Hi Rebecca! Thanks for sharing such a wonderful story about you, your sister, and Joni. I wish any of my four siblings could share my love of Joni's music. You were fortunate to have such a special sister. Welcome and chime in again soon. Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 14:39:03 EDT From: BachelorNumero2@aol.com Subject: more WTRF hey folks, well, all this discussion about WTRF has made my decision whether or not to buy WTRF a hard one. I've heard clips of all the songs, and I'm not really impressed with the album on first listen........ALSO, the fact that the Geffen records still haven't been remastered or repackaged makes them less attractive as a purchase. BUT, I'm sure that there are a few worthwhile songs on the album, afterall, "Chinese Cafe" is on there.........I'm thinking that maybe I can assemble a "best of" Joni 1982-1991 collection and have it burned onto one or two cds, rather than spend the money and cd space for 4 cds.......My cd towers are getting awfully crowded these days....LOL later PHIL ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 11:42:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Don Rowe Subject: RE: Chalkmark - --- Kate Bennett wrote: > yes, you are right about that ...willy (i love that > one) & billy idol (not > my favorite that one)who else was singing with her > on CM? Peter Gabriel Don Henley Tom Petty Benjamin Orr Iron Eye Cody Wendy & Lisa (from Prince + The Revolution) Don Rowe ===== Visit me anytime at http://www.mp3.com/donrowe Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 13:44:02 -0500 From: Mark Domyancich Subject: Re: Joni at Red Rocks The last time Joni played at Red Rocks (quite possibly her only time) was on the 1983 Wild Things Run Fast tour. One date is July 30, 1983, but she may have played there more than once during that run. Bob or simon will know. The copy I'm getting is a soundboard, with the lineage SBD > Cass > CD-R. Since DATs weren't around until 1987 it was most likely recorded onto cassette or reel-to-reel. It's also possible it was recorded on one of Sony's PCM devices that record digitally somehow. I have no idea what the setup was for the soundboards, but SBD > Cass seems right to me. Circulating copies of this show, as far as I've seen, are incomplete in soundboard form. Mark NP-Soulive, "Doin' Something" - Doin' Something > From: MarkPerini@aol.com > Reply-To: MarkPerini@aol.com > Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 14:07:59 EDT > To: joni@smoe.org > Subject: Joni at Red Rocks > > Hi, > > I recently traded with someone for a copy of Joni at Redrocks. No other info > though, like recording date or track list. IBased on some of the newer > songs, it sounds like it was recorded in the late 90's. Does anybody have > any info on this show they could share with me? > > Thanks! > > Mark Perini > markperini@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 14:44:52 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni CellPhone Ring Tones << does the concept of "covers" extend to cellphone ringtones?????? >> Given your description of the one you got, Ron, I'd say NO! ;~) Bob, Joni covers slut but still drawing the lines SOMEWHERE... NP: Sleater-Kinney, "One More Hour" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 11:50:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Don Rowe Subject: Re: more WTRF > well, all this discussion about WTRF has made my > decision whether or not to > buy WTRF a hard one. Let's see ... it's a Joni Mitchell album ... it's a Joni Mitchell album that you don't have ... it's still available, so Joni will collect her royalty pennies from your purchase ... you don't listen to that "Tony Orlando & Dawn's Gold" K-Tel collection anymore, so you can auction it off on e-bay to make space in your towers ... So where's the hard part? ;-) Don Rowe ===== Visit me anytime at http://www.mp3.com/donrowe Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 14:52:14 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni at Red Rocks << Does anybody have any info on this show they could share with me? >> Mark, The details are as follows: Red Rocks Amphitheatre; Morrison, Colorado 7/30/83 1. Coyote 2. Free Man In Paris 3. Cotton Avenue 4. Edith And The Kingpin 5. You Turn Me On, I'm A Radio 6. You Dream Flat Tires 7. Song For Sharon 8. God Must Be A Boogie Man 9. For Free 10. Big Yellow Taxi 11. A Case of You 12. Wild Things Run Fast 13. Sweet Bird 14. Banquet 15. Raised On Robbery 16. Refuge Of The Roads 17. (You're So Square) Baby, I Don't Care 18. Solid Love At least, that's what's on mine. Your copy should be about 79 minutes & change. Even then it's not the complete show, but it's what's commonly traded. Bob NP: Ani, "Adam & Eve" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 14:55:57 EDT From: MarkPerini@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni at Red Rocks Thanks! Thats the info I was looking for. Mark Perini markperini@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 14:29:25 -0500 From: "Donna J. Binkley" Subject: RE: joni on cobain Sorry - but i have no sympathy for people who commit suicide. There's a saying that goes "those who commit suicide don't end their pain, they leave it on the shoulders of those who they left behind". The only man i ever might have married shot himself right in front of me almost 20 years ago, his family will never be the same, that night changed the course of my life forever. No doubt Cobain was a troubled spirit, but reality check, um let's see, i'm a millionaire, i'm at the pinnacle of my career, i have everything that most people don't even get in their whole lifetime - think i'll OFF MYSELF!! Sorry if this offends anyone, that is not my intention, but i had to speak up. Donna - -----Original Message----- From: les@jmdl.com [mailto:les@jmdl.com]On Behalf Of susan+rick Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2001 8:43 PM To: joni@smoe.org Subject: Re: joni on cobain Bob wrote: >"I'm a runaway from the record biz >From the hoods in the hood and the whiny white kids" >I'm sure based on what she said about Kurt she would put him in that latter >category, he might have even inspired the lyric! I hope that Joni didn't have Cobain in mind when she wrote those lyrics. Cobain's songs are not whiney, they are expressions of a very troubled mind. He wasn't a rich kid playing at angst but a talented musician who suffered from depression and drug addiction and ended his life despite (because of?) success. While Joni can be irritating and arrogant, I choose to believe that she is not that insensitive. For now anyway. Ranger Rick ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 14:36:24 -0500 From: "Donna J. Binkley" Subject: RE: joni on cobain On the other hand, if I was married to Courtney Love i probably would have to kill myself! NOW i'm being offensive, but i don't care that chick's nasty. db - -----Original Message----- From: les@jmdl.com [mailto:les@jmdl.com]On Behalf Of susan+rick Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2001 8:43 PM To: joni@smoe.org Subject: Re: joni on cobain Bob wrote: >"I'm a runaway from the record biz >From the hoods in the hood and the whiny white kids" >I'm sure based on what she said about Kurt she would put him in that latter >category, he might have even inspired the lyric! I hope that Joni didn't have Cobain in mind when she wrote those lyrics. Cobain's songs are not whiney, they are expressions of a very troubled mind. He wasn't a rich kid playing at angst but a talented musician who suffered from depression and drug addiction and ended his life despite (because of?) success. While Joni can be irritating and arrogant, I choose to believe that she is not that insensitive. For now anyway. Ranger Rick ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 14:40:44 -0500 From: "Donna J. Binkley" Subject: RE: memory Funny about that Colin, i too forget what i went to a room for and what i was talking about in the middle of a sentence, but i have an excellent memory for lyrics. I can remember all the words to many songs with very little effort. Wonder why? db - -----Original Message----- From: les@jmdl.com [mailto:les@jmdl.com]On Behalf Of colin Sent: Friday, July 13, 2001 4:38 AM To: joni Subject: memory I have a bad memeroy for various things like appointments, what i did yesterday, my designs unless I write it all down, forget where I know people from etc. yet i have an excellent memory for phone numbers and other numbers. I do all my banking via the net. I remember all the passwords and numbers. I can recall a 28 digit number and a 24 sequence of numbers and letters. I wonder why my memory works for the numbers but for ordianry things. Like I will go upstairs or downstairs for something and forget why I went. Soemthimes i foregt what i am talking about in converstaion-I will just stop and think 'what was i saying' and need to be reminded! I often cannot remember the correct track or album for Joni songs. I can sing along to them happily recalling all the words but if they aren't actually playing I can't recall the words at all. Same with Carly. I can't even hum a tune that I have heard thousands of times. I can with hymns and silly ryhmes that i have heard only a few times and can recall jokes. But ask me to hum a favourite Joni or Carly song and I can't. weird. - -- bw colin BRO GC, 950i 940,864, 260, 890,Silver 830 and 270, Passap 6000 Duo80 colin@tantra-apso.com http://www.tantra-apso.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 20:57:39 +0100 (GMT Daylight Time) From: "colin" Subject: RE: memory - -------Original Message------- From: Donna J. Binkley Date: 13 July 2001 20:42:30 To: 'colin'; 'joni' Subject: RE: memory Funny about that Colin, i too forget what i went to a room for and what i was talking about in the middle of a sentence, but i have an excellent memory for lyrics. I can remember all the words to many songs with very little effort. Wonder why? db I don't know. I am embarrassed that I can't recall songs I have listend too thousands of times! colin BRO GC, 950i 940,864, 260, 890,Silver 830 and 270, Passap 6000 Duo80 colin@tantra-apso.com http://www.tantra-apso.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 21:03:55 +0100 (GMT Daylight Time) From: "colin" Subject: RE: joni on cobain - -------Original Message------- From: Donna J. Binkley Date: 13 July 2001 20:30:09 To: 'susan+rick'; joni@smoe.org Subject: RE: joni on cobain Sorry - but i have no sympathy for people who commit suicide. It would seem you have been forunate in that you have never been in so much pain that death seems the only way out. The trouble is also that people do not want to know, ignore the person in pain or make light of it. Other people's pain makes people very uncomfortable so they ignore it or brush it aside. This is one reason why a friend will cross the street rather than bump into their friend who is grieving. Wehn a person kills themselves, they are not the only ones who failed.Thus sucide is often the only way out. HOWEVER, suicde does have a dreadful impact on those left behind. Guilt, sometimes desreved, is a terrible burden. It is a fdreadful thing to inflcit on others and in my darkest moemtnts, it has kept me from it. I couldn't possibly do that to the man I love. Not that i wish to anymkore. years of painful, extrememyl painful, work solved that one! There's a saying that goes "those who commit suicide don't end their pain, they leave it on the shoulders of those who they left behind". The only man i ever might have married shot himself right in front of me almost 20 years ago, his family will never be the same, that night changed the course of my life forever. No doubt Cobain was a troubled spirit, but reality check, um let's see, i'm a millionaire, i'm at the pinnacle of my career, i have everything that most people don't even get in their whole lifetime - think i'll OFF MYSELF!! Sorry if this offends anyone, that is not my intention, but i had to speak up. Donna ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 16:35:12 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: joni on cobain "Donna J. Binkley" wrote: > Sorry - but i have no sympathy for people who commit suicide. There's a > saying that goes "those who commit suicide don't end their pain, they leave > it on the shoulders of those who they left behind". The only man i ever > might have married shot himself right in front of me almost 20 years ago, > his family will never be the same, that night changed the course of my life > forever. > > No doubt Cobain was a troubled spirit, but reality check, um let's see, i'm > a millionaire, i'm at the pinnacle of my career, i have everything that most > people don't even get in their whole lifetime - think i'll OFF MYSELF!! > > Sorry if this offends anyone, that is not my intention, but i had to speak > up. I completely agree. The minute I heard Joni's line about the whiney white kids I thought immediately of Cobain. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 13:36:24 -0700 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: more WTRF I recommend the MFSL issue-wonderful sound- and available quite often on ebay. RR BachelorNumero2@aol.com wrote: > hey folks, > > well, all this discussion about WTRF has made my decision whether or not to > buy WTRF a hard one. I've heard clips of all the songs, and I'm not really > impressed with the album on first listen........ALSO, the fact that the > Geffen records still haven't been remastered or repackaged makes them less > attractive as a purchase. BUT, I'm sure that there are a few worthwhile > songs on the album, afterall, "Chinese Cafe" is on there.........I'm thinking > that maybe I can assemble a "best of" Joni 1982-1991 collection and have it > burned onto one or two cds, rather than spend the money and cd space for 4 > cds.......My cd towers are getting awfully crowded these days....LOL > > later > PHIL ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 13:46:02 -0700 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: Joni, WTRF, and drugs Thank you, Mark, for helping me defend Joni's child. They say she is ugly-I see great beauty there... I would only add that if you listen, you can hear some nice electric guitar playing by Joni underpinning everything- also the layered harmony vocals are as elaborate and lovely as anything she has done-(more below) Mark or Travis wrote: > I'm listening to WTRF as I write this. I've never considered it one > of my favorites but listening to it tonight I think it's a damn good > record! MDESTE1@aol.com wrote: > Then there's all sorts of disjointed sections in the songs themselves. > Soaring hard rock crunch chords followed by jazz shuffle sections as if > they recorded a majestic rock intro only to "change their mind" in > production approach in the next 15 second section. Funny, I don't relate to them that way at all-to me the title track, and the others don't seem disjointed, and the direction seems sure and deliberate. Obviously I'm in the minority for loving this record so much-but like Colin said, there's no accounting for taste! Or lack thereof... RR driving a Volvo wagon, a Jeep Cherokee, a Honda dirtbike, all over 10 yrs old-no annoying new car smell! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 13:50:07 -0700 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: memory I can't remember a phone number 5 minutes later, but often sit down and play a song I heard on the radio once 25 years ago. I can sing you the Sport Cola commercial from 1968 (starring Wally Cox)-but can't remember what I did a week ago. Ramsey Remorse (is that right?) colin wrote: > I have a bad memeroy for various things like appointments, what i did > yesterday, my designs unless I write it all down, forget where I know > people from etc. > yet i have an excellent memory for phone numbers and other numbers. > I do all my banking via the net. I remember all the passwords and > numbers. I can recall a 28 digit number and a 24 sequence of numbers and > letters. > I wonder why my memory works for the numbers but for ordianry things. > Like I will go upstairs or downstairs for something and forget why I > went. Soemthimes i foregt what i am talking about in converstaion-I will > just stop and think 'what was i saying' and need to be reminded! > I often cannot remember the correct track or album for Joni songs. I can > sing along to them happily recalling all the words but if they aren't > actually playing I can't recall the words at all. Same with Carly. I > can't even hum a tune that I have heard thousands of times. I can with > hymns and silly ryhmes that i have heard only a few times and can recall > jokes. But ask me to hum a favourite Joni or Carly song and I can't. > weird. > > -- > bw > colin ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 17:25:10 EDT From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: memory In a message dated 7/13/01 3:57:18 PM Eastern Daylight Time, colin@tantra-apso.com writes: > I don't know. I am embarrassed that I can't recall songs I have listend too > thousands of times! > > It's only because I own all the Joni covers with the 792,439 versions of "Both Sides Now" that I know all the words to that song. As many times as I've listened to the rest of Joni's songs, I still need the liner notes with me AND now that I'm soooo old, I have to find my ultra magnifying reading glasses just to see them. It's funny that I still know all the words to "Waltzing Matilda" or "Playmate" which I learned as a little kid. Jimmy NPIMH - "Oh playmate, won't you come out and play? and bring your dollies three, climb up my apple tree...." OMG ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 14:34:04 -0700 From: "J.W. (yes, Jerome)" Subject: re: Joni & Shawn OK, I haven't posted in some time and I rarely, if ever, posted on Joni's personal life but this one screamed out for some clarity. Joni and Larry were married...this we all know. Shawn's album, 'Fat City' was produced by Larry. Joni shows up in the form of handclaps and a laugh on one track. Shortly thereafter, during the making of Turbulent Indigo, Joni and Larry broke up. Shawn, who was married at the time, went through a divorce not long after herself. However, before that she was living with John Leventhal. He produced her first album and her first post-divorce album, 'A Few Small Repairs' as well as her criminally underlooked most recent album. John, however, is married to Rosanne Cash, daughter or Johnny. He produced HER album, 'The Wheel' back in like '91. They've been married since about then and have two children together, I believe. Anyhow, this is the long winded clarification of the subject. The short is, Joni and Shawn ARE friends. Shawn is married to a lovely man named Mario, who is the father of their baby, Caledonia. And Larry is still happily dating the lovely Diana Krall, according to my sources. So that's what I know. Jerome realizing that his music-whore status goes so far beyond owning too many CDs that he may just go check into Betty Ford now... _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 23:55:07 +0100 (GMT Daylight Time) From: "colin" Subject: Re: memory me AND now that I'm soooo old, I have to find my ultra magnifying reading glasses just to see them. well i am short sighted but am now having to hold my reading a bit further away! Mind you that is only with the glasses on. I usuallly read without them. With contacts I can't read at all-almost. It will be a while yet before I have to those bifocals. Jimmy NPIMH - "Oh playmate, won't you come out and play? and bring your dollies three, climb up my apple tree...." OMG I remember this from childhood: If mini skirts grow shorter said the fairy to the gnome there will be two more cheeks to powder and a bit more hair to comb !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! And I didn't understand it back then. well i did get the cheeks bit but that last line had me stumped. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2001 11:58:18 +1200 From: "hell" Subject: Re: The Blue Tapestry Thing...SJC Chris wrote: > Furthermore, as we take this time to celebrate "Tapestry" in our own way, by > 'threading' about it, I will vent my frustration about the other really great > Carole King discs that always get lost in the Tapestry shuffle. Much as it's > one of the best recordings we've got, I simply cannot listen to it anymore. > VERY seldom. Over the years, I've come to appreciate it's follow-up, "Music" > much more, probably for no other reason than the tunes on it have not > suffered form the massive overexposure that Tap's lead cuts have. "Rhymes & > Reasons" is also excellent Carole King, nothing mind boggling, but a great > pop record nontheless. > My favorite, though, is "Fantasy". Much as it's sound is now quite dated, > this was probably the most interesting record she made. We get Carole's > commentary about the Women's Liberation movement, several different angles on > the difficulties of inner-city living, and a bit of political commentary > sprinkled in. The music often sounds like the soundtrack from a cheesy > crime-drama of the same period ('73 - take your pick), but with all it's > flaws, it's not just MORE BLAND LOVE SONGS FROM CAROLE KING, who I admire > very much despite her repetitive nature. We have to cut CK some slack about > that - she was trained to write that way. And made a good living doing it. I have to clarify something I said in my post on Tapestry. I effectively said that Carole's work deteriorated after Tapestry, which was a damn lie! I completely agree that Music and Fantasy are very strong albums, and I think Carole grew musically with these as well. But I think the main difference with her and Joni is that Carole pretty much stayed on the same path musically - her basic style didn't change too much. Sure there were the inevitable synthesisers in the 80's, but she didn't "reinvent" herself, or immerse herself in another genre like Joni did. Not that that's a bad thing, but I never felt the same excitement with a new Carole album as I did with a new Joni - with Joni you never really knew what you were going to get! Hell ____________________________ "To have great poets, there must be great audiences too." - Walt Whitman hell@ihug.co.nz Hell's Personal Photo Page: http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hell/main/personal.htm Visit the NBLs (Natural Born Losers) at: http://www.nbls.co.nz ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2001 12:01:24 +1200 From: "hell" Subject: Re: Carole King feature article - SJC - long post Brenda wrote: > Brenda wrote: > > "Hope this doesn't send you off the deep end, but I believe Tapestry has > outsold Joni's catalog. Joni has certified US sales of around 9 million. > International sales probably add about another 3 million to that. And that's > being a bit generous." To which Bob replied: > To paraphrase the late (?), great Charlie Brown : AAARRRGGGHHH !!! Don't feel too bad, Bob! I like to think of Blue as being far more "cerebral" than Tapestry, therefore having less appeal to the average Joe Bloggs. Just think of a Joni fan being vastly more intelligent than the average person (which all of us here know too well) - doesn't that make you feel better?! Hell ____________________________ "To have great poets, there must be great audiences too." - Walt Whitman hell@ihug.co.nz Hell's Personal Photo Page: http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hell/main/personal.htm Visit the NBLs (Natural Born Losers) at: http://www.nbls.co.nz ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2001 12:13:22 +1200 From: "hell" Subject: Re: joni on cobain Jerry wrote: > I completely agree. The minute I heard Joni's line about the whiney white kids > I thought immediately of Cobain. We all know Joni's music has different meanings for different people. I always thought the "whiney white kids" were the female singer-songwriters in the late 90's who all cited Joni as an inspiration, eg. Jewel, Joan Osborne, Alanis Morrissette. They all seemed so "angst-filled" and I got the impression Joni thought the same way I did - "Get over yourselves! What do you know about suffering!?" Hell ____________________________ "To have great poets, there must be great audiences too." - Walt Whitman hell@ihug.co.nz Hell's Personal Photo Page: http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hell/main/personal.htm Visit the NBLs (Natural Born Losers) at: http://www.nbls.co.nz ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 17:39:00 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: Joni, WTRF, and drugs I think you've all given short shrift to "Man to Man," which to me is the sequel to "Cactus Tree." I think that's a great song, second on WTRF only to Chinese Cafe. But hardly anyone has mentioned Man to Man in their posts about WTRF, though Mark quoted one of several exceptional passages from it. It did occur to me after I'd written the post that this song is thematically related to 'Cactus Tree'. I also said it was one of her most honest & unsparing self observations and I stand by that. Thanks, Paul Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 17:51:50 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: Parodies. MJC > So that Christmas eve instead of singing the traditional > carols,we rocked with JM. I wished I had known that was > to be are last Christmas together. But, JM will always > be so central in my thoughts and for making that > Christmas soooooo special. > Lovely post, Rebecca. Chime in often, please! Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 18:10:36 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: Joni, WTRF, and drugs > Thank you, Mark, for helping me defend Joni's child. > They say she is ugly-I see great beauty there... > I would only add that if you listen, you can hear some nice > electric guitar playing by Joni underpinning everything- > also the layered harmony vocals are as elaborate and lovely > as anything she has done-(more below) > I was hearing some of what you're talking about when I listened last night. But I do seem to recall that the mix of Joni's lead vocal sounded a little odd. Wasn't wearing headphones or scrutinizing it as closely as Marcel did, though. Still, overall I thought the record was very cohesive and held up very well. I want to listen to it again, soon! Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2001 #215 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she?