From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2001 #198 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Wednesday, June 27 2001 Volume 2001 : Number 198 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. Information on the 4th "Annual" New England JoniFest: http://www.jmdl.com/jfne2001.cfm ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Today in Joni History: June 26 [les@jmdl.com] Re: gallery cc: ["Kakki" ] extra commentary [BachelorNumero2@aol.com] Re: extra commentary [IVPAUL42@aol.com] Re: gallery cc: ["hell" ] Re: Monk's Piano Quip ... ["hell" ] Re: Monk's Piano Quip ... ["hell" ] Re: Monk's Piano Quip ... ["hell" ] Re: Today in Joni History: June 26 [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Another Joni Reference [Steve Dulson ] Jonatha in Chicago [Merk54@aol.com] DJRD, was Sonic Dating ["Jamie Zubairi" ] Re: Jonatha in Chicago [neo@mail.utexas.edu (Neil Ellis Orts)] Re: DJRD, was Sonic Dating [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] RE: Re: DJRD - why cut Jericho ?7 ["Donna J. Binkley" ] Re: Today in Joni History: June 26 [Les Irvin ] joni @ amnesty nj '86 [christopher blake ] Re: DJRD, was Sonic Dating [Catherine McKay ] Re: extra commentary ["Mark or Travis" ] Re: Jericho [Bobsart48@aol.com] Hits limited edition [Les Irvin ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 03:34:07 -0400 From: les@jmdl.com Subject: Today in Joni History: June 26 On June 26 in Joni Mitchell History: 1997: Joni spends the afternoon at a restaurant near her home, having lunch and chatting with a member of the JMDL More info: http://www.jmdl.com/articles/docs/970626li.cfm - ------------------------ Search the "Today" database: http://www.jmdl.com/today ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 00:02:34 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: gallery cc: Pat, What a fabulous collection! Bravo! There are many I've never seen before. Thanks to you and all the contributors. It is fantastic. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 03:55:05 EDT From: BachelorNumero2@aol.com Subject: extra commentary "Well personally I don't care much for Prince, I've never been able to >understand why anyone would consider Madonna a major talent and I >don't know much about Peter Gabriel" all of the aforementioned artists are devotees to Miss Mitchell, and carry with them some lesson learned from her work........And in my belief, they are all very talented people in many different ways. We all know Prince holds Joni in very high regard.........Prince pays tribute to "Help Me" in "The Ballad of Dorothy Parker" on "SIGN O THE TIMES".......not just there though......His B-Side "God" is a complete rip on "Shadows And Light"........ Madonna has openly admitted to being a huge Joni fan as a teenager: "Court and Spark was my bible for an entire year!" There was even a Rolling Stone article which documented that Madonna had jumped over several booths in a restaurant while wearing a huge gown to chat with Joni following the 98' Oscars. Her song "Promise To Try" off of her album "LIKE A PRAYER" is a tribute to "Down to You." Peter Gabriel is yet another artist who has openly admitted to being influenced by the great Joni........"In Your Eyes" off of "SO" is influenced by "Dreamland" and so on and so forth. So, I recommend that you at least listen to the work of an artist before brandishing them off into the "non-talent" category. Because these artists obviously know something about art if they are influenced by Joni. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 04:56:12 EDT From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: extra commentary In a message dated 6/26/01 4:19:07 AM Eastern Daylight Time, BachelorNumero2@aol.com writes: << ."In Your Eyes" off of "SO" is influenced by "Dreamland" and so on and so forth. >> I don't know the Prince or Madonna songs well enough to question the assertion of Joni influences, but I AM very familiar with "In Your Eyes" and see no strong similarity or connection whatsoever to "Dreamland," either musically or lyrically. Paul I ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 23:03:19 +1200 From: "hell" Subject: Re: gallery cc: Pat wrote: > well, I didn't get any email but there have been over 300 hits in > the last 24hrs since I posted the url so I guess there's interest... You bet there's interest! You've done a wonderful job here, definitely a great collection of images. I refer to it constantly, and I apologise for not acknowledging your efforts sooner! Hell ____________________________ "To have great poets, there must be great audiences too." - Walt Whitman hell@ihug.co.nz Hell's Personal Photo Page: http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hell/main/personal.htm Visit the NBLs (Natural Born Losers) at: http://www.nbls.co.nz ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 23:17:15 +1200 From: "hell" Subject: Re: Monk's Piano Quip ... Don wrote: > She further reinforces all those "wrong" notes in the > vocal harmony "Tax free ... save me". In the end, > nearly every song on DED is constructed this way. > Which for me, adds up to a sound uniquely Joni > Mitchell ... every bit as innovative as her alternate > guitar tunings. Sure she used 80s vintage synths, but > in a way only she could have. > > I hope I've not simply made the issue more obscure! You definitely have not obscured the issue! This just confirms what I always thought - any Joni is genius, no matter what the genre! Seriously, I really enjoyed hearing this explanation/description of DED, so thank you. Hell ____________________________ "To have great poets, there must be great audiences too." - Walt Whitman hell@ihug.co.nz Hell's Personal Photo Page: http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hell/main/personal.htm Visit the NBLs (Natural Born Losers) at: http://www.nbls.co.nz ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 23:23:35 +1200 From: "hell" Subject: Re: Monk's Piano Quip ... Don wrote (and I've "snipped" heavily): > Interestingly enough, if you appreciate the Fixx, you > should pick up their "unplugged" collection: 1011 > Woodlands. It features acoustic arrangements of their > big hits, and released singles from the classic > period. Some are my favorite versions of those songs, > despite the fact that the heavier synth and guitar > processing production's been stripped off. Go figure. I found this particular statement interesting, because I think it relates to how I view music. I don't necessarily think of a good song in terms of the genre it's written in, eg. jazz, 80's-synth, disco, or whatver. I think of a good song in terms of it's strength of music and lyrics, which is the main reason I love Joni so much. I'm not saying that the genre is irrelevant - obviously some genres just don't appeal full stop (I won't say which ones, for fear of getting badly singed by flames!) but in general (note that word "general") the strength of the lyrics and music will win me over regardless. Hell ____________________________ "To have great poets, there must be great audiences too." - Walt Whitman hell@ihug.co.nz Hell's Personal Photo Page: http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hell/main/personal.htm Visit the NBLs (Natural Born Losers) at: http://www.nbls.co.nz ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 23:30:49 +1200 From: "hell" Subject: Re: Monk's Piano Quip ... Bob wrote: > Further to your earlier statement, maybe Joni should have made a > "Reload" instead of a "Misses"...re-record some of her songs with > a different treatment. Anybody have any ideas for a project like that? > I've been enjoying Anni Clark's GREAT version of conversation, with > a nice subtle bass line and congas accenting the guitar, and would love > to hear her do some of the early stuff with some added musical textures > to achieve the fuller sound she got on FTR. This idea is pretty much the concept I was trying to explain in my previous post. I'd love to hear Joni rework some of her songs. I'm not sure which at this stage, but after hearing BSN, and what she did with BSN and ACOY I'd love to hear more. As an aside, after hearing Sherelle's WONDERFUL demo tape (I can't say enough about this, I love every second of it) I would really love to hear Sherelle do covers of some of WTRF, specifically Moon At The Window and Be Cool. I think she would absolutely nail these songs! Hell ____________________________ "To have great poets, there must be great audiences too." - Walt Whitman hell@ihug.co.nz Hell's Personal Photo Page: http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hell/main/personal.htm Visit the NBLs (Natural Born Losers) at: http://www.nbls.co.nz ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 08:40:54 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Today in Joni History: June 26 <<1997: Joni spends the afternoon at a restaurant near her home, having lunch and chatting with a member of the JMDL More info: http://www.jmdl.com/articles/docs/970626li.cfm>> I'd read this before, but it's such a thrill to read again! What a grand day for you Les, and nobody who deserves it more...and that pic! OMIGAWD!! I also appreciated that Joni referred to herself as "arrogant". We instantly cringe when we hear that word, but I think its denotation can be overshadowed by its connotation. Nothing wrong with knowing that you're the best, why do we admire it in athletes and shun it with artists? Bob NP: REM, "Talk About the Passion" (which is what you were doing with Joni! :~D) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 07:52:17 -0700 From: Steve Dulson Subject: Another Joni Reference On Chicago folkie Michael Smith's CD "Michael, Margaret, Pat and Kate" he has a song called "Coffeehouse Days", in which he reminisces about his...er...coffeehouse days. It includes the verse: George Carlin came to see me once, He said Michael outta sight Richie Pryor said he liked me Even though I was white Hung out with Dion Dimucci Took lessons from Earl Klugh Joni Mitchell ignored me Hey, she'd ignore you. - -- ######################################################## Steve Dulson Costa Mesa CA steve@psitech.com "The Tinker's Own" http://www.tinkersown.com "Southern California Dulcimer Heritage" http://www.scdh.org "The Living Tradition Concert Series" http://www.thelivingtradition.org/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 14:12:09 EDT From: Merk54@aol.com Subject: Jonatha in Chicago Neil, I just wanted confirm that Jonatha is coming to Chicago - to a great little place called the Park West on Friday, August 17th. I just saw her there earlier this year, and it was a great show. The Park West is a great little club in the Lincoln Park area. I would encourage any with the opportunity to attend on the show on 17th. I certainly plan on going again! There is also a great little restaurant called Chicago Pizza and Ovengrinders about 3 or 4 blocks away, which would make a great meeting place for any interested parties, either before or after the show. The mediterranian bread is awesome! If anyone is interested in hooking up before or after the show, drop me a line, and I will try and organize something. Jack ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2001 22:07:24 +0100 From: "Jamie Zubairi" Subject: DJRD, was Sonic Dating > .........there are no disco sounds to be found on her late > seventies albums............Had she followed the crowd, DJRD would have heavy > synths and funk bass and "Dreamland" would be "Discoland" instead Hi all, long time no write (I know) but I been kinda busy with my little projects, trying to get a writing company started and off the ground) Anyway, while I agree with most of this there is a little bit of disco in DJRD, especially in the outro to DJRD when the backing singers go 'You and I, you and I, You and I' it's VERY Boney M! ;-) All that aside, I do find DJRD a really strange and exciting album. I always think of it as an orange album, all the songs are orange tinged (or paprika coloured, maybe it's the album cover that's influencing a little. Anyone get that? Hejira being a dusky grey, Blue being blue and FTR being a little green? I once went to stay with a friend of mine who lived in Manchester and she know that I liked Joni and late in the evening after we came back from a club she played DJRD on her record player. She said her boyfriend liked Joni and to introduce her to her music lent her the album. I always wondered, 'Why THAT album?' It's not the easiest... Having said that, I love playing songs from it. DJRD, Silky Veils... NP: John McLaughlin, Zakir Hussein, U Shrinivas, V Selvaganesh: Remember Shakti ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 15:27:00 -0400 (EDT) From: neo@mail.utexas.edu (Neil Ellis Orts) Subject: Re: Jonatha in Chicago At 02:12 PM 6/26/2001 EDT, Merk54@aol.com wrote: >Neil, > >I just wanted confirm that Jonatha is coming to Chicago - to a great little place called the Park West on Friday, August 17th. I just saw her there earlier this year, and it was a great show. The Park West is a great little club in the Lincoln Park area. Jack, it sounds like a date! I say that without knowing anything like what night of the week that is, if I'll have a job by then, or if I'll have a job with a schedule that will allow for such playing. But Jonatha so completely rocked my world a couple of weeks ago that I'm all about seeing her again. (Man, she's making me talk like some college kid -- but, dude! she like totally rawks! lol) Dinner sounds like a good idea, too. It'd be great to meet up with other Joniphiles for this show. The more the merrier! I should also say that it's odd how I'm (sort of) reconnecting with this list over my move to Chicago. My tongue in cheek request for help unloading the U-Haul has brought in some serious offers from Joni fans! I can't believe it. It's amazing to me. And VERY much appreciated. I hope we have a great time unloading my library (don't say I didn't warn you!) and that we can report new friendships to the list in about 3 weeks. - -Neil amazed at Joniphiles' generosity ______________________________________________________________ Neil Ellis Orts Austin, TX 78731 512/372-8082 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "I'm just living on nerves and feelings with a weak and a lazy mind" -Joni Mitchell ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 15:52:56 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: DJRD, was Sonic Dating <> That's an interesting observation, Zoob, I know we've talked about Joni's records being seasonal...but I digress. What I was going to say/ask is about the two colors that primarily make up the cover...that light blue and rust color. Since the album deals with so much duality, are those colors like total opposites? (I'm asking the visual artists in the crowd...) I wonder if you stared at the jacket, and then at a white surface, if the colors would reverse. I may have to try that. And then I'll get a life! LOL! Bob NP: The Replacements, "Take Me Down to the Hospital" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 15:42:52 -0500 From: "Donna J. Binkley" Subject: RE: Re: DJRD - why cut Jericho ?7 Has anyone not listened to the Miles of Aisles version of Jericho? I've always loved that song and couldn't understand why so many of you seem to dislike it, but maybe you'd like the MOA version better than DJRD...if you haven't listened to it you may want to give it a try. Donna - -----Original Message----- From: les@jmdl.com [mailto:les@jmdl.com]On Behalf Of Bobsart48@aol.com Sent: Saturday, June 23, 2001 10:59 AM To: joni@smoe.org Subject: Re: Re: DJRD - why cut Jericho ?7 Mark in Seattle, Thanks for your alternate insights re; Jericho. This highlighted for me another aspect of the song that may be disturbing me - my inability to get my arms around it solidly over time. I'll keep myself open to it - though I wish she had expressed her thoughts/feelings more clearly. As I said, I think she was struggling with this whole thing conceptually, too. NP - Jericho (DJRD) :-) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 17:34:01 -0400 From: Mags Subject: Re: Today in Joni History: June 26 from the hallowed halls of Les-dom comes the incredible news: > <<1997: Joni spends the afternoon at a restaurant near her home, having lunch and chatting with a member of the JMDL More info: http://www.jmdl.com/articles/docs/970626li.cfm>> > and then my bro Bob wrote: > > <> and now me: OMIGAWD is right!!!! and Les!!!! she's holding your hand!!!!! agggghhhhhh!!!! omg you are soooo lucky... and yes you deserve it !! I love reading about jmdler close encounters of the Joni kind.....so exciting!!!!!!! Mags np: Wonderful Life, Mathilde Santing - -- And this loving is a drawing close, a tuning in, an opening. Until one perfect moment; but how can it be expressed? A receiving, an enfolding as I cradle you in my arms. Within my heart, within my soul, You are my true love. --Garnet Rogers - --- _~O / /\_, ___/\ /_ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 16:21:33 -0600 From: Les Irvin Subject: Re: Today in Joni History: June 26 At 6/26/2001 03:34 PM, Mags wrote: >OMIGAWD is right!!!! and Les!!!! she's holding your hand!!!!! >agggghhhhhh!!!! omg you are soooo lucky... and yes you deserve it !! I >love reading about jmdler close encounters of the Joni kind.....so >exciting!!!!!!! I thought that was one of the most endearing and telling things about what a kind, warm person Joni is. I remember setting up for the picture and being so intimidated that I stood next to her like a tin soldier. She said something like "Hey... pretend like you like me, OK?", grabbed my right arm and put it around her shoulder, then held my hand with hers. It was a *good* day. :-) Les NP- Whiskeytown "Jacksonville Skyline" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 16:50:50 -0700 (PDT) From: christopher blake Subject: joni @ amnesty nj '86 - --- SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: > > > That Amnesty show was actually in '86...yes, Number > One was not commonly performed much, and that was a > rough show as she was so out of place and abused by > the rowdy crowd. I'm sure it was tough on those who > really wanted to see/hear her. > > Bob > > NP: REM, "The Wake-Up Bomb" > hi bob! okaaaaay...so the fact that you know the actual year means, i am guessing that you own this performance already. i seem to remember that she was brought in as a replacement for an artist who was touring with the amnesty international show. someone like don henley or jackson browne or some such... i listened to the whole show on the radio (back in the day when radio did such things) and i didn't know joni nearly as well as i do now and went so far as to mislabel the first song of the set on the cassette. ah, those bygone days of yore... have an awesome day - chris(topher) p.s. so, do you need 'em? NP - John Lee Hooker, I'm Bad (like Jesse James) RIP Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 21:00:44 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: DJRD, was Sonic Dating - --- SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: > < songs are orange tinged (or paprika coloured, maybe > it's the album cover that's influencing a little.>> > >... > > What I was going to say/ask is about the two colors > that primarily make up the cover...that light blue > and rust color. Since the album deals with so much > duality, are those colors like total opposites? (I'm > asking the visual artists in the crowd...) I wonder > if you stared at the jacket, and then at a white > surface, if the colors would reverse. > They (blue and orange) are complementary colours. I'm not really sure if that means they're "opposite" or not. The primary colours are red, blue and yellow. The complementary colour of each is made up of a combination of the two that are left - so the complementary colour of red is green (blue + yellow); the complementary colour of blue is orange (red + yellow); and the complementary colour of yellow is purple (red + blue). Then you can change them by greying them down; or adding white - you would have to add a corresponding amount of grey (black) or white to the complementary colours as well. Rust is (more or less) a combination of red and orange (red + yellow), so the complementary colour to that would be a combination of green (blue + yellow) and blue - in other words, aqua. And so on. Add a little grey or white to tone them down, and you've got the colours of DJRD. Something like that. Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 18:50:15 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: extra commentary There was even a Rolling Stone > article which documented that Madonna had jumped over several booths in a > restaurant while wearing a huge gown to chat with Joni following the 98' > Oscars. Her song "Promise To Try" off of her album "LIKE A PRAYER" is a > tribute to "Down to You." > > Peter Gabriel is yet another artist who has openly admitted to being > influenced by the great Joni........"In Your Eyes" off of "SO" is influenced > by "Dreamland" and so on and so forth. > > So, I recommend that you at least listen to the work of an artist before > brandishing them off into the "non-talent" category. Because these artists > obviously know something about art if they are influenced by Joni. Well I don't think I actually said that any of these artists were 'non-talents.' I just said I didn't care for them or that I didn't know much about them. I know that Joni admires Peter Gabriel. I did say I didn't think of Madonna as a major talent & I stand by that. I don't think she'd be much of anything without her producers and she's nowhere near to being in the same class with Joni. But still, she sings & dances in front of thousands of people so she certainly has more talent in those areas than I do. I don't think that just because someone admires Joni or claims her as an artistic influence that they are somehow more gifted or have better taste than someone else. I admire Joni tremendously but I can't play guitar or write amazing songs. And 'Green Acres' is one of my all-time favorite tv shows! My point was that taste is a subjective thing. Just because I don't like Prince doesn't mean he doesn't have something to say to someone else. And just because you say that Joni's 80s albums were in 'sonically poor taste' doesn't mean I have to agree with you. That's all. Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 22:31:17 EDT From: Bobsart48@aol.com Subject: Re: Jericho ckarma wrote: 'While I think that the melody is more in keeping with the HOSL set, I think that "Jericho" is a perfect companion piece for "Talk To Me", in which the narrator giddily confesses an inability to contain her honesty. "Jericho" finds Joni intimately wrestling with the same issue, but when the emotional stakes seem to be higher and more care is needed. How could anyone not see the thematic link and suggest the song's impropriety there? Pass the gestalt and pepper, please.' So that's why I couldn't see it - I thought it was gazpacho and paprika. I must be getting color blind. Now that I think about it, gazpacho is a example of gestalt. Maybe we're not that far apart after all ! NP - Sound track to "Phantom" (I'm not always in control of my kingdom, and I'm getting restless) :-~ Bob S. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 21:32:54 -0600 From: Les Irvin Subject: Hits limited edition Joniphiles - Has anyone purchased a copy of the limited deluxe version of "Hits"? Apparently, it's a Japanese limited reissue collection with a 36-page deluxe booklet with lyrics & additional photos. Just curious if the booklet is worth the price. Thanks, Les http://cdnow.com/cgi-bin/mserver/SID=1927001944/pagename=/RP/CDN/FIND/album.html/artistid=MITCHELL*JONI/itemid=1309521 ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2001 #198 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she?