From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2001 #188 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Tuesday, June 19 2001 Volume 2001 : Number 188 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. Information on the 4th "Annual" New England JoniFest: http://www.jmdl.com/jfne2001.cfm ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Today's Articles: June 19 [les@jmdl.com] Wild Things Run Fast ["Robert Holliston" ] Re: Wild Things gets panned? or not? ["Marian" ] Re: Wild Things gets panned? or not? [AsharaJM@aol.com] Re: Wild Things Run Fast [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Wild Things gets panned? or not? [Don Rowe ] so much Joni! [Anne Sandstrom ] Re: Wild Things gets panned? or not? [SMEBD@aol.com] Achtung Topsfield Jonifesters - Molto Importanto. [MDESTE1@aol.com] Re: Wild Things gets panned? or not? [SMEBD@aol.com] Re: Does this line ruin "L.I.S."? [SMEBD@aol.com] Re: so much Joni!...so little time! ;~) [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Anaconda [FMYFL@aol.com] Pissing and telling ["Michael Paz" ] Re: so much Joni!...so little time! ;~) [Don Rowe ] Song Interpretations Song for Sharon ["Michael Paz" ] Song ordering ["c Karma" ] PWWAM ["William Waddell" ] Re: so much Joni! [KJHSF@aol.com] Joni's Isle of Wight Triumph [susan+rick ] Re: PWWAM ["Brenda J. Walker" ] Does this line ruin "L.I.S."? ["J.David Sapp" ] Re: chelsea morning/same situation(sjc) [Kobus Louwrens ] Song Ordering [susan+rick ] the pissing on summer lawns SJC [mags ] Jonatha on Fathers Day (VLJC) ["Michael Paz" ] RE: Tequila, Sharon's Husband & WTRF [Susan Guzzi ] Re: the pissing on summer lawns SJC [colin ] Midwest "FEST" report ["kerry" ] Swedish [Steve Dulson ] Fw: The pissing of summer lawns ["Ian Scott" ] WTRF ["Dave and Beth Fairall" ] Subject: Pissing and telling...dancing & telling ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: Pissing and telling ["Kakki" ] Re: JMDL Digest V2001 #260 [PMcfad@aol.com] Re: JMDL Digest V2001 #260 [PMcfad@aol.com] europe in july [MRBARQUE@aol.com] Re: JMDL Digest V2001 #259 - "Last Great Album" [BRYAN8847@aol.com] Re: JMDL Digest V2001 #260 - Gratuitous Lionel Inclusion? [BRYAN8847@aol.] Re: WTRF [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: I have some news on Joni's Tribute Album ["Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Wild Things Run Fast I think Wild Things Run Fast is a very significant album in Joni's output. It's the first studio album after Mingus. Also, according to my admittedly cursory examination, Don Juan's Reckless Daughter remains the last Joni Mitchell album to achieve Gold status (someone correct me if I'm wrong). The '90s albums, which have generally been appreciated by fans and well-received by the press, have hovered around the 250,000 mark in sales, which is lower than Brenda's criterion for recouping costs. It's interesting to read quotes from the executives involved in marketing Mingus: About marketing an all-jazz Joni Mitchell album, Elektra/Asylum Chairman of the Board Joe Smith says this: "She has taken a chunk out of her career and accomplished something truly monumental. When we received this album, I got on a conference call and talked with all our promotion men. If any radio station calls itself a trendsetter, it must recognize this album and Charles Mingus. "I'm also having a contest for my promotion men," he laughed. "First prize is they get to keep their jobs." Had Smith, in the course of running the company, ever discussed commercial direction with Mitchell? "You don't tell Joni Mitchell what to do," he said. This is all a bunch of old boys' talk: they basically let Joni hang out to dry, and critics everywhere - whether pop or jazz - fail to acknowledge that it was Mingus who approached Joni, and not the other way around. She wrote about the crucifixion of pop celebrities as far back as "For the Roses" - but was she EVER crucified when she made this album. In the meantime, Joni released what Stephen Holden of Rolling Stone recognized as one of the greatest live rock albums of all time, "Shadows and Light." By all means, you must have Wild Things Run Fast. For me, it has three great songs on it: Chinese Cafe, Moon at the Window, and Love. She's been inclined to bitch about the music industry ever since the release of Mingus. And I'm inclined to agree with her. My $0.02, Roberto _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 10:22:08 +0200 From: "Marian" Subject: Re: Wild Things gets panned? or not? Thumbs up from me. I had always loved Chinese Cafe, but didn't really listen to the other songs very much until about four years ago, when I felt inspired to try to learn Moon At The Window after hearing a live version on one of the tape trees and finding a transcription of it by Pat Hillis in Sue McNamara's Guitar Files (thanks Pat and Sue!!!). I hadn't played my guitar in more than 10 years at that time and it was the first new Joni song I attempted, so it has a special place in my heart. I didn't really appreciate some of the other songs until I tried to transcribe them for guitar some months later, though. There's something about transcription work that can really change how I feel about a song - it's like becoming friends with the music/lyrics, instead of just acquaintances. I like the moodiness of Ladies' Man and Man To Man, the beautiful tuning of the title cut, the unusual poetry of Underneath The Streetlight, the interesting chord changes and melody of Love. It's a great album and deserves a better listen from those who say they don't like it. Marian marian@jmdl.com http://www.jmdl.com/guitar/marian/guitar.htm ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 07:42:46 EDT From: AsharaJM@aol.com Subject: Re: Wild Things gets panned? or not? I'm a thumbs up, too. I dare you not to grin when you hear "Solid Love," my favorite on that album. :-) Hugs, Ashara {grinning, and waiting for the rest of the forms and checks for Jonifest} ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 08:20:47 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Wild Things Run Fast <> I was one of the folks she lost with Mingus. Didn't buy it, didn't care to hear it. I was in my early 20's, and it just wasn't where I was at at the time. Of course, I have since redressed that wrong! ;~) And I give a BIG thumbs up to WTRF. Of course, it smacks of Joni attempting to throw her beret back in the commercial arena. Getting Lionel Ritchie, who was HUGE at the time with the #1 album "Dancing On The Ceiling" to throw in a line on "Flat Tires" was gratuitous but it didn't stop me from enjoying the song. It's also noteworthy that in addition to the commercial sound of this record, she proceeded to embark on the longest tour of her career, from Feb '83 to July covering the entire globe! There were three records I listened to almost every day during this period, Michael Jackson's "Thriller", Willie Nelson's "Stardust", and WTRF. I love what Chris said...you know you're gonna get it, so get it now! :~) Bob NP: Radiohead, "Motion Picture Soundtrack" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 06:46:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Don Rowe Subject: Re: Wild Things gets panned? or not? Well you've gotten plenty of serious responses, so I thought I'd answer the question a little more lightly. So here's my perspective in list form, filling in the blanks: "If you really dig (Joni Album) ... you'll find WTRF (reaction)" STAS ... Busy Clouds ... Ditto Ladies of the Canyon ... Grown Up Blue ... Hard to take seriously For The Roses ... Giddy Court & Spark ... Refreshing HOSL ... Poppy Hejira ... Even more poppy DJRD ... Shallow Mingus ... The poppiest record you've ever heard in your life DED ... More like Court and Spark than you imagined possible CMIARS ... Ditto NRH ... Exuberant Turbulent Indigo ... (see Blue) TTT ... Darned near acoustic Hope this helps ... but for what it's worth, no Joni collection is complete without it ... so what choice do you *really* have??? ;-) Don Rowe ===== Visit me anytime at http://www.mp3.com/donrowe Spot the hottest trends in music, movies, and more. http://buzz.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 10:03:11 -0400 From: Anne Sandstrom Subject: so much Joni! Wow! There are so many Joni-content threads to comment on - I'll probably drop a few... Song for Sharon - I was thinking about the line "I've still got my eyes on the land and the sky" which I've often puzzled over. I think she's referring to being on the road and precisely the image from the song book for Hejira. (I forget if it's on the CD booklet anywhere.) The image shows just land, including the road ahead, and sky. I think she's saying that that's all she sees. And, no, I don't think the song refers to her wanting to have an affair with Sharon's husband. She's just "restless for home and routine." WTRF - I like WTRF. A lot, actually. It's interesting too because Joni sings actually HAPPY love songs on it! For me, it kind of fills a Joni void because there were times before WTRF when I was happy and didn't have a Joni song to listen to for the occasion... Of course, if it were me, I'd just go to the bank, withdraw whatever money necessary, and buy whatever Joni I didn't have... LIS - no, I don't think the line "Oh baby, I can't seem to make it with you socially" ruins the song at all. BUT it does need the relative sparseness of the following line "There's this reef around me" to complete the thought literally, musically, and rhythmically. Bob Dylan - Am I the only songwriter who doesn't worship the ground his bobness walks on? He can't hold a candle to Joni. (IMnsHO) Anaconda - I agree with what's becoming consensus - that the "tequila anaconda" incident is just an example of how much she's willing to reveal. And, btw, DJRD is probably my least favorite Joni album. It's the only one I never just put on and play, although I really like the title song, Jericho, Otis and Marlena, and Off Night Back Street. I think it could have been edited into one album. running for cover too - move over Randy! lots of love Anne ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 10:23:57 EDT From: SMEBD@aol.com Subject: Re: Wild Things gets panned? or not? In a message dated 6/18/01 9:34:07 PM Eastern Daylight Time, BachelorNumero2@aol.com writes: > So LET'S HAVE A POLL ON > WILD THINGS RUN FAST!!! Is it thumbs up or thumbs down????? > Thumbs up: with Chinese Cafe and Moon At The Window (which should be recorded by Jazz performers--are you out there Diana Krall?), this CD is well worth having. And let's not forget that TI is a "Klein CD", and IMHO, TI ranks at the very top of Joni's greatest works. Stephen NP Patty Loveless "To Feel That Way At All" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 10:38:16 EDT From: MDESTE1@aol.com Subject: Achtung Topsfield Jonifesters - Molto Importanto. I just want to chime in with a very important request of all those listers who intend to make it to Topsfield. Ms.Ashara "Abondanza" Stansfield has assumed the responsibility of making about two million arrangements for everything from information to food preparation (including the execution of a million crustaceans according to the famous lawyer Bosworth W. Seaworthy) to concert festivities, sound system procurement, de-fleaing the house dog, warning of the touchy neighbors, negotiating party-rights with the local constabulatory, and about a zillion other details far too numerous and sundry to mention. All of this just so you and I and we and they can descend in a grand imposition upon her stately home and environs for three big days of fun and music and song and celebration. All we have to do is send some money (not all of which is for her interests) send a picture (Wally no bikini shots please), and complete and submit a helpful survey to forwarn her of your likes dislikes ! and wishes. Is that too much tro uble? there are two months to go. She has been and will continue to prepare for the fest and will need all our fare shares to subsidize the pre-purchasing of the necessities. So I implore you all who have not done so GET THE LEAD OUT AND DO YOUR DUTY. Stop procrastinating. Its the least we can do for Ashara. Dont wait another day, another minute even. DO IT NOW. Get it in the mail post haste. Today even. There now I feel better and once you do you will too. Sincerely Marcel Deste. Tickets, reservations and survey, check and picture (thanks to Llamadoo)all safely tucked away like Jimmy Stewarts teddy bear and Michael Paz's monkeys paw. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 10:43:06 EDT From: SMEBD@aol.com Subject: Re: Wild Things gets panned? or not? In a message dated 6/19/01 12:43:11 AM Eastern Daylight Time, guitarzan@saber.net writes: > I think WTRF was her last really great album...no synths, no drum > loops, no VG-8...just great songwriting, a real band feel, and her > voice was not yet damaged goods.... > Running for cover, > RR > > "You can run, but you can't hide". LOL I don't agree that WTRF is Joni's last great LP, but boy do I admire your balls for saying this. It was great having you on the list! Should we play something from WTRF at your funeral. :-) Stephen NP Carole King "Some Kind Of Wonderful" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 10:47:22 EDT From: SMEBD@aol.com Subject: Re: Does this line ruin "L.I.S."? In a message dated 6/19/01 12:48:42 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Relayer211@aol.com writes: > > According to the author of a book about Dylan the line "I can't seem to > make it with you socially" ruins the otherwise fine song,"Lesson in > survival".Does anyone agree? > Not at all. This line, IMHO, is a great example of Joni's economy of words, and says it all about how she feels out of place with this guy in the sense of not fitting into his world, of being intimidated by his crowd, etc. This line has always made me shake my head in a knowing kind of way. Stephen ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 10:55:55 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: so much Joni!...so little time! ;~) <> I don't play DJRD as much as I SHOULD, and every time I do it reminds me of what an epic it is! So adventurous, and so out of step with the rest of what was coming out at that time...as a follow-up to Hejira, it blew me away with it's scope! I like the fact that it's a single CD, not sure that you could edit it down to a single LP, Anne...where would you cut? All I would do would be to (possibly) shorten "Tenth World", but I've come to the conclusion that in its entirety it's a logical and well-timed bridge between the 'real world' of "Otis & Marlena" & "Dreamland". Maybe you can reduce "Paprika Plains" to a 3-minute single? ;~) Bob NP: Bonnie Raitt, "Storm Warning" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 10:57:25 EDT From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: Anaconda I was doing an internet search for "Tequila Anaconda", since I was curious about the recipe Mark D. mentioned. I didn't find the recipe, but did see this passage on Ingmar Bergman and his "Nordic Blues". Unfortunately it's in Swedish ( I think ). Can anyone translate??? Ndr Joni Mitchell druckit fvr mycket "Tequila Anaconda" snackar hon gdrna om "Bergmans Nordic Blues" om man fer tro sengen Talk to me fren 1977, och jag gillar att det var den numera upprdttade men dndock B-filmsproducenten Roger Corman som tog in ett flertal av Bergmans filmer till USA under 60- och 70-talet. Fvr att inte tala om Wes Craven, vars vidrigt obehagliga Last House on the Left inte var annat dn en nyinspelning av Jungfrukdllan, och ironiskt nog totalfvrbjuden i Sverige. Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 09:49:31 -0500 From: "Michael Paz" Subject: Pissing and telling Joni wrote: "There was a moon and a street lamp I didn't know I drank such a lot Till I pissed a tequila anaconda The full length of the parking lot! Oh I talk too loose Again I talk too open and free I pay a high price for my open talking Like you do for your silent mystery" It's funny that this is one of the songs that I chose to talk to Joni about the first time I met her. She was sitting at a table with our mutual friend Lucy and I was introduced and asked to sit down. We talked for awhile and I managed to blither out how much her lyrics and music do for me. I asked if alot of them came from things that actually happened and that's how the moon and the street lamp bit came up. She threw her head back and laughed and told me the story of going out drinking with a friend at Dan Tanas and that image came from that reality. She also mentioned that the parking lot there is on an incline so when she squated behind the car, the pee ran downhill so to speak. She does talk too loose and too open and free as we all know and like me her mouth can get her into BIG trouble. I got to spend alot of time that evening with her and was treated to 3 songs including Cherokee Louise from NRH that she played with Buffett's band. The occasion was a benefit show for the hungry and homeless in New Orleans. Later on in the evening after her too short of a set, we danced to the music of the Neville Brothers and made fun of the Prez's brother Roger who attempted singing "Love The One Your With" (believe me it was the whitest version of the song I have EVER heard). Love Paz (The Gumbo Crab-cause I'm always in HOT water!) NP-Dylan "oh, mama, can this really be the end? to be stuck in side of Mobile with the Memphis blues again" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 08:18:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Don Rowe Subject: Re: so much Joni!...so little time! ;~) - --- SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: > > Maybe you can reduce "Paprika Plains" to a 3-minute > single? ;~) > I've come to look at "Paprika Plains" in much the same way as I look at any "epic song". When you get down to it, there's really not THAT much difference between it and something like Genesis' "The Return of the Giant Hogweed" from Nursery Cryme ... "The Telegraph Road" from Dire Straits Love Over Gold ... "The Great Gig In The Sky" from Dark Side. I think people get unnecessarily hung up on the "piano concerto" feel to what is, in the end, an extended solo section (or what Richard Thompson calls "an instrumental excusion"). It certainly is a fantastic bit of musical prosody, given the lyrical descriptions in the opening of the song, and provides a great melodic journey ending up where it begins. Just my 2-cents ... Don Rowe ===== Visit me anytime at http://www.mp3.com/donrowe Spot the hottest trends in music, movies, and more. http://buzz.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 10:09:00 -0500 From: "Michael Paz" Subject: Song Interpretations Song for Sharon Jodcrazee wrote: "Some time ago I had a friend listen to Song For Sharon. I asked her what she thought it was about. After the song was over she said matter-of-factly: "She wants to have an affair with Sharon's husband." I was facsinated with her interpretation because I had never thought that. Anyone ever heard that in the song?" I have always thought that this song is the story of two friends that grew up together and when they chose different paths, they longed for what the other had or at least wondered what their lives would have been. This has been done a million times in the movies (Turning Point and was it Beaches with Bette Midler?). I have always connected deeply with that song. Kenny Grant told me he thought that I really felt that one when I sang it in Mass. all those years ago. Now I think of dear Kenny when I sing it. Paz NP-Heartbreaker-Rolling Stones ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 16:24:34 +0100 From: "Preet" Subject: Re:Anaconda This still seems very open to interpretation. She could be using a metaphor for how she had been conversing while under the influence, i.e. pushy and confrontational. After all, isn't DJRD album know as her 'cocaine phase'. Preet Dhanoa London Wide Bwoy preetd@bigfoot.com > Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2001 03:50:01 -0400 > From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" > Subject: Re: Anaconda > > About Joni's: > >>There was a moon and a street lamp > I didn't know I drank such a lot > Till I pissed a tequila anaconda > The full length of the parking lot! > Oh I talk too loose > Again I talk too open and free>> > > Bob noted: > >>There's basically NO transition from her "pissing" story to her going on > about her talking...but I think it's there to set up the song as a somewhat > playful one, and she changes subjects on lines 4 to 5 much like an overly > yakky person would change subjects in conversation before you can get a word > in edgewise.>> > > It seems like the character in the song is scolding herself for yakking > about urination...... I know *I* would! > > Lama > > It seems strange not to label this offensive little thread "NJC", doesn't > it? > > New email: jlamadoo@one.net ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 16:01:51 -0000 From: "c Karma" Subject: Song ordering Roberto wrote: >Joni's famous for spending many hours on her albums deciding on the order in which the songs are ultimately presented. That being the case, WTRF following "Chinese Cafe" is a pretty bad joke. It's like that scene in Monty Python and The Holy Grail where the music starts playing while a prince fantasizes about singing. Just when he's about to give forth, the king interrupts the swelling score, "No, no, none of that!" With "Chinese Cafe", we're all drifting away into retro poignancy and she body slams us Roller Derby style with a wall of drums and guitars. "WHOA! WAKE UP, SNAP OUT OF IT!" It's an offbeat choice in this regard, to my mind. I always tend to program track 2 off because the transition is so jarring. In retrospect, I wonder if she did this to allow "Chinese Cafe" to act as a prologue (see also, "Harlem In Havana"). Ordering songs is a tough job, especially if the pacing mindset still expects to have a short break halfway through to accomodate LPs and cassettes. In the age of CDs, MDs and auto reverse cassette players, the theatrical/formatting conflict doesn't exist so the need for an end of ActI show stopper and an entr'acte for Side 2 is unnecessary. The better CD releases of Joni's early works maintain and even add an acceptable pause between the two "sides." Although WTRF was the first Joni recording to be released after the advent of CDs, I still think it was ordered with LPs and cassettes in mind, since they were still the most popular formats through the end of the 80s. I'm not really sure if any Joni CD is completely free from a two/four side pacing format by her own design with the possible exception of TTT, and although Mingus' configuration makes for a very smoothly flowing CD, the biggest improvement going to the "new" format was seen by DJRD. (Aside here: for a real treat, program "Paprika Plains" to "Moon At The Window" sometime.) "Dog Eat Dog" feels like it starts the second "side" of its album, as do "Cool Water","Come In From The Cold", "Magdalene Laundries" and "Don't Go To Strangers" for CMIARS, NRH, TI and BSN respectively. I think the theatrical pace is particularly well used on BSN, as the success of the "song cycle tracing the relationship arc" concept relies on the sense of a narrational change in tactics following the introspective "A Case Of You." It's effect is like shaking off a hangover. Please don't misunderstand me, I truly love ALL these records and the placement of WTRF notwithstanding, I couldn't imagine them done any differently. . CC "The silence is so full of sounds. You're in them all." -- JM _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 16:14:55 From: "William Waddell" Subject: PWWAM Did I read recently that "Painting with Words and Music" is to be aired on Trio (cableTV)? I'm sure someone posted it and mentioned a date circa 22nd-ish thereabouts approximately around. I'd be miffed if I missed it. Willy the Shake _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 12:22:02 EDT From: KJHSF@aol.com Subject: Re: so much Joni! In a message dated 6/19/2001 10:18:56 AM Eastern Daylight Time, asandstrom@macromedia.com writes: << Bob Dylan - Am I the only songwriter who doesn't worship the ground his bobness walks on? He can't hold a candle to Joni. (IMnsHO) >> I couldn't agree with you more. And IMHO, Joni took the concept of widening the scope of lyrics in popular music to a degree that is much broader in artistic sense, depth and scope. It reminds me of Crosby's comment about writing Yvette with Joni, that she's just light years ahead! Ken ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 09:30:52 -0700 From: susan+rick Subject: Joni's Isle of Wight Triumph The things you find in musty old boxes! I was looking through unpacked boxes last night (yes, I know we've been in this house 3 years now) and I came across an envelope of Joni clippings, one of which is very relevant to recent discussions. From the Welland Evening Tribune (my home town paper), dated Thursday, September 3, 1970: Canadian Wins Ovation At Isle Of Wight Festival by Lewis Levendel LONDON (AP) The leading British pop newspaper has termed the Isle of Wight festival "Joni's triumph" in praise of Saskatoon-born Joni Mitchell's performance during the five-day extravaganza. Melody Maker, in its front-page story this week, says the folk-singer "overcame her considerable nervousness and stunned the crowd with a set full of peerlessly beautiful songs, leading to an ovation after several encores." Me again: I'm not sure how you recognize an ovation in the setting of a half a million already-standing people but it seems that this article reinforces Ian's reminiscences about the festival. Funny how the focus narrowed over the years to just how bad the Isle of Wight was for Joni. Ranger Rick ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 09:41:53 -0700 From: "Brenda J. Walker" Subject: Re: PWWAM Yes, it is airing on Trio on 6/21 at 9am and 3pm e.s.t. They are also airing Paul McCartney's "Going Home" in the hour following it. Brenda William Waddell wrote: > > Did I read recently that "Painting with Words and Music" is to be aired on > Trio (cableTV)? I'm sure someone posted it and mentioned a date circa > 22nd-ish thereabouts approximately around. I'd be miffed if I missed it. > Willy the Shake > _________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 12:04:38 -0500 From: "J.David Sapp" Subject: Does this line ruin "L.I.S."? well lis is a classic gem - but that particular line does kind of sound off stride to the otherwise beautiful lyrical nature of the song - peace, david < According to the author of a book about Dylan the line "I can't seem to make it with you socially" ruins the otherwise fine song,"Lesson in survival".Does anyone agree?> ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 12:21:54 +0200 From: Kobus Louwrens Subject: Re: chelsea morning/same situation(sjc) >On Fri, 25 May 2001, blonde in the bleachers wrote: > >> It is hard for me to think that Joni would elude to Charles Manson in her >> songwriting, but I never thought about it either. I always thought this sounded like one of those 'california-isms' in her songs (especially on C&S) that pushed me away a little, because I don't really know what she's on about -- I was about three when the album came out and live on the other side of the planet. (california-isms: the beach at Malibu. . . and I could never understand why she 'couldn't let go of LA/city of the fallen angels. . .) For me that line was always about Manson (and all the celebrities associated with his cult. . .) and it always kind of stopped me in my tracks listening to the song, because it just didn't work for me. I'm glad to learn about the 'god is dead' interpretation. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 12:12:20 -0700 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: Pissing and telling Michael Paz wrote: > It's funny that this is one of the songs that I chose to talk to Joni > We talked for awhile and I > asked > how the moon > and the street lamp bit came up. > She also mentioned that the parking lot there is on an > incline so when she squated behind the car, the pee ran downhill so to speak. Well there it is, straight from the horse's ...um...mouth... I like this explanation better than my own mental image of her peeing her way across the parking lot! My take on this song is that, apart from the setup at the beginning: "There was a moon and a street lamp I didn't know I drank such a lot Till I pissed a tequila anaconda The full length of the parking lot!" the rest of the song is a direct (one way) conversation she is having with "Mr. Mystery". The rhythm of the acoustic guitar and Jaco's amazing bass playing, the general starkness of the production blow me away every time. Thanks for the illumination, Paz.. RR ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 12:55:29 -0700 From: susan+rick Subject: Song Ordering On 6/19/01 9:01 AM, c Karma wrote >With "Chinese Cafe", we're all drifting away into retro poignancy > and she body slams us Roller Derby style with a wall of drums and guitars. > "WHOA! WAKE UP, SNAP OUT OF IT!" It's an offbeat choice in this regard, to > my mind. I always tend to program track 2 off because the transition is so > jarring. In retrospect, I wonder if she did this to allow "Chinese Cafe" to > act as a prologue I think that's exactly what Joni had in mind. The retro-poignancy that the character is experiencing in the Chinese Cafe, possibly at the end of one relationship, is overcome by the arrival of a potential new love....again. WHAM--> hormones in overdrive, the thrill of the chase, "maybe this time" (to quote Sally Bowles). Ranger Rick ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 17:29:28 -0400 From: mags Subject: the pissing on summer lawns SJC Forgive me for sounding crass however there is no other way to say this... "To be pissed" is a common term in Canuckian for being drunk . Tell me what you think...could Joni have been pissed "ON" tequila before she pissed "A" Tequila Anaconda the full length of the parking lot? Mags the Canuckian, not trying to be a smart @ss.... this topic was brought up in a conversation after work with Brei. ;-)) np: Yola by Eleanor McEvoy is so very good. - -- - --------------------------------------------------------------------- _~O / /\_, ___/\ /_ - ----------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 16:06:41 -0500 From: "Michael Paz" Subject: Jonatha on Fathers Day (VLJC) Hello Boys and Girls! What a wonderful fathers day. It started with my favorite breakfast, fried corn meal mush. I haven't met too many people in my life that even know what that is. My grandfather use to make it for me. Basically it is Corn Meal (Quaker) cooked down like oatmeal or grits (you southern folk feel me don't you??) Only you cook it much longer till it gets really thick (about 45 min) then you put it in a greased shallow pan and let cool. Put in the fridge over night and then cut into 1/4 inch thick strips and size and shape you want (NO salacious comments here WallyK) and roll in flour and deep fry. They should be crisp on the outside and soft and yummy on the inside. You can eat them with butter and/or syrup or honey or what ever you want. YUM! I like em with butter salt and black pepper. Anyways the rest of the morning I vegged out, played guitar (checking out a new DanElectro Baritone that I may buy, BUT I really need another guitar), but I digress. The kids took me to see TombRaider which was great and if anyone has Angelina's home phone number please pass it along to me privately. Then they took me out to Nola Restaurant (an Emeril establishment) which is out of this world. By the time dinner was over it was time for me to go to House of Blues and catch the "really big show". I had passes waiting for me at the will call and went right in and hooked up with her road manager Paul Mitchell (who actually mixed the live record) which is my fave of Jonatha's so far. We hung out for awhile talking and he made a reference to Jonatha that I am sure she would not have been flattered with, something like (paraphrased) we like to think of her as a Joni Mitchell meets Cheryl Crow. I DON'T THINK SO!!!! In the interest of civility, decorum, protocol or whatever I refrained from saying anything negative to him, but I think Jonatha is a true original and find the comparison a little lacking in imagination. Anyways, it was getting close to show time so I went up to catch the opener, Kim Richey, who was absolutely fantastic. I bought one of her CD's and invited her to be on Jukebox the next time she comes thru town. Then the main event!!!! OM MY GAWD!!!!! She walked out on stage with NO fanfare or intro in the finest looking pantses (correct pronunciation for pants in New Orleans) that looked handpainted and a yellow Bee Gees Tour Jacket which she flaunted around and modeled for us. It was freezing cold in the joint and she made several references to it all night long. She is so warm and real, in her stage presence. She makes you feel like you are really a part of everything and makes alot of eye contact. We shared a couple of "looks" like the ones when she was on Jukebox, once during How Deep Is Your Love, she looked at me a couple of times and I swore she was telling me that this song is so hard to sing and play, but boy did she nail it and the bass player had her back with the bg/vox. By the way here is the full set list: Glass 1/2 Empty Blood From A Stone Red Dress I'll Take It From Here Crumbs Genius or a Fool Is This All Digging No Better How Deep Is Your Love Your House Still Point Steady Pull Linger Encore Look At You Because I Told You Before she did Genius or a Fool, she told a story about how the song was written inspired by a conversation she had with Daniel Lanois in LA when he was on tour with EmmyLou Harris. Dan asked her what she did and she replyed that she was a chick singer songwriter. Then he made a remark about the colour and style of her shoes. He said that she was either a genius or a fool. Anyways the story is so long to tell, but that was the gist of it. She also remarked before Is This All, that she would like Chaka to cover it and if anyone sees her to please pass it on to her. Linger is such a cool song and it sounds so good with the band live. I wish I had a recording of the version of Because I Told You So, cause it so different from all of the ones I have. The 1 hour and 15 went by SO fast I could not believe it and there were still so many songs I wanted to hear. We were sitting right by the stage so when the set was over she came out and gave me a big long hug and we talked for a bit. Then she went out and signed CD's for a while and came back and hung out with my friends who had stuck around having a cocktail after the show. We talked for a while and she signed everyones DVD's and stuff and we talked about her coming back on Jukebox, AsharaFest (which she will not be able to attend cause she will be in Colorado that weekend), her tour, coming back on Jukebox in August or Sept. with her fab band. The band really kicks ass and I love to combo of her on acoustic and a rock and roll band backing her. It's really different than her acoustic solo, but I love both and would jump at the chance to see her live in any format (OK OK I'm a slut, but I good at it). If you guys have a chance to see her, do not hesitate, run don't walk, to the show and get close to the front so you can experience her better. We talked about going up to the Foundation Room in the House of Blues for a cocktail, but she said she was wiped out from the road and wanted to go crash, so we called it a night. I think Freda is really concerned that I have another obsession here as she specifically asked me not to "run off with that woman" or "join the Jonatha tour". Little chance of that since I think she is already married as well, altho dating is so much more fun after your married (but oh my gawd I digress again). She does have a big old rock on her left hand tho. Looking forward to going home and watching the DVD tonight. Sorry to those who are NOT interested in Jonatha and my raving on and on and on, but hey check the chick out, I'm a pimp for her baby and I am wicked good at. Love Michael NP-25 or 6 to 4-Chicago ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 15:56:42 -0700 (PDT) From: Susan Guzzi Subject: RE: Tequila, Sharon's Husband & WTRF Donna wrote" Subject: Re: the pissing on summer lawns SJC mags wrote: > Forgive me for sounding crass however there is no > other way to say this... > > "To be pissed" is a common term in Canuckian for being > drunk . it is the same here. we don't use the term to mean angry but we do use it to describe being in a down mood-'pissed off'. It is also used in other ways like as a way to say someone has left wherever'they pissed off'. to tell someone to piss off is to mean for them to go away. > Tell me what you think...could Joni have been > pissed "ON" tequila before she pissed "A" Tequila > Anaconda the full length of the parking lot? I would think that is a given. Unless she is really just a slut, she isn't likely to drop her draws in a public place to take a leak unless she was pissed! > > > Mags the Canuckian, not trying to be a smart @ss.... > this topic was brought up in a conversation after work > with Brei. ;-)) > > np: Yola by Eleanor McEvoy is so very good. > > -- > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > _~O > / /\_, > ___/\ > /_ > ----------------------------------------- - -- bw colin BRO GC, 950i 940,864, 260, 890,Silver 830 and 270, Passap 6000 Duo80 colin@tantra-apso.com http://www.tantra-apso.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 18:28:17 -0500 From: "kerry" Subject: Midwest "FEST" report I know y'all are anxiously awaiting news from our Midwest Joni get-together. ;>) (It went from being called a fest, then a gathering, then a get-together.) Well, it was probably the smallest Joni event ever, but we had a great time! (Ashara: We are not worthy! We are not worthy!) A few people couldn't make it at the last minute due to unavoidable circumstances, so we started out at dinner with just Diane E. from IN, Steve, and my partner and I. (Oh yeah, Joni was there too in the form of a great mask Diane had made from the cover of Turbulent Indigo.) Mary from Madison joined us later (she can tell that story), and we met at a local bar called the 1100 Club. (We were joined later by 2 of Steve's friends, making our numbers increase a little!!!) Steve did an awesome set of Joni tunes for our small but mighty group, and even included some dulcimer songs. We're not sure how much he appreciated our out of tune back-up singing on "Hissing" and "Carey," but he took it in stride. :>) After we pretended to be Steve's roadies and hauled his equipment to his house, the girls (Mary & Diane) came to our house for a "Joni slumber party." The next morning, we had a "Joni brunch," complete with great food and conversation. Thanks, Steve for all the trouble you went through and the private concert! Mary, it was great seeing you again after almost a year and Diane, it was wonderful to meet you! You're both invited to "come for conversation" anytime!!! Kerry ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 17:06:09 -0700 From: Steve Dulson Subject: Swedish Re: the Swedish Joni text - there are a bunch of Swedes on another list I'm on - I'll bet I can get it translated there. - -- ######################################################## Steve Dulson Costa Mesa CA steve@psitech.com "The Tinker's Own" http://www.tinkersown.com "Southern California Dulcimer Heritage" http://www.scdh.org "The Living Tradition Concert Series" http://www.thelivingtradition.org/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 03:07:19 -0700 From: "Ian Scott" Subject: Fw: The pissing of summer lawns REFLECTIONS ON A MOONLIT NIGHT The beautiful, amber nectar flowed in a meandering, iridescent stream, down a gentle, concave slope,almost certainly CATCHING THE MOONLIGHT so that it revealed for a tantalisingly brief moment, its hidden slivers of silver, and IF ONLY any of us had been sharp enough to wait at the bottom of the said incline and bottle it in cute, little, glass phials (not plastic) we could have sold it for more than the 3 million, totally authentic, pieces of the Holy Cross have been sold for already. Maybe one would have even made it onto the Larry King Show - 'LIVE', and then she'd have had to do it all over again, just to satisfy popular demand. IF ONLY... Ian ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 20:21:45 -0500 From: "Dave and Beth Fairall" Subject: WTRF Thumbs Waayyyy Up, on the strength of Moon at the Window and Chinese Cafe' alone, but I too like Solid Love. She did that live with the Orchestra on the BSN Tour if I'm not mistaken, that was wild. Traveling some this summer, and this thread has made me think very seriously about burning a "Best Of" CD for the road, there's only so much room for CD's in the car you know. It'll be hard to decide what to include, maybe 2 CD's is more like it. Really drive my wife crazy!! Dave F. [demime 0.97c removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had a name of winmail.dat] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 16:56:40 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Subject: Pissing and telling...dancing & telling Paz King of the Gumbo Crabs wrote, "Later on in the evening after her too short of a set, we danced to the music of the Neville Brothers and made fun of ..." When you said WE danced...di you mean you & joni danced...together? if so... HOW COOL IS THAT?!!!!! ******************************************** Kate Bennett www.katebennett.com sponsored by Polysonics www.polysonics.com Discover the Indies at Taylor Guitars: http://www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/bennett.html ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 17:52:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Nuriel Tobias Subject: What's new and different? Hi Folks, I haven't been around for a while, and I'd like to know if there is any news on Joni's upcoming record. If I don't get a dose of new Joni soon I might do something rash (and you all know that you don't want that to happen again...). Love you all, Nuriel _____________________________________________________________ Free email, web pages, news, entertainment, weather and MORE! Check out -------------------------------> http://wowmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 17:26:36 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Pissing and telling Paz - thank you!! After I wrote the last TA post I had a vague remembrance that it was YOU who had told me it was at Dan Tana's! Yes! And sorry to have forgotten the source the first time. ;-) Kakki Paz wrote: > It's funny that this is one of the songs that I chose to talk to Joni about > the first time I met her. She was sitting at a table with our mutual friend > Lucy and I was introduced and asked to sit down. We talked for awhile and I > managed to blither out how much her lyrics and music do for me. I asked if > alot of them came from things that actually happened and that's how the moon > and the street lamp bit came up. She threw her head back and laughed and told > me the story of going out drinking with a friend at Dan Tanas and that image > came from that reality. She also mentioned that the parking lot there is on an > incline so when she squated behind the car, the pee ran downhill so to speak. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 21:12:11 EDT From: PMcfad@aol.com Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2001 #260 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 21:12:10 EDT From: PMcfad@aol.com Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2001 #260 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 21:34:57 EDT From: MRBARQUE@aol.com Subject: europe in july Does anyone have a scoop on where to locate last minute cancelations for flights/tours/packages to europe? I and my 3 companions are interested in going just about anywhere, but we don't want to pay full price. This summer the prices are very "full" for travel over there. Please e-mail me privately. thanks, bob ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 21:46:08 EDT From: BRYAN8847@aol.com Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2001 #259 - "Last Great Album" Well, this should stir up some debate (though that's not my intention): Last Great Album is Both Sides Now, IMHO. If an album of "covers" isn't eligible for consideration, then my vote for LGA goes to Turbulent Indigo. Bryan ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 21:52:51 EDT From: BRYAN8847@aol.com Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2001 #260 - Gratuitous Lionel Inclusion? If I recall correctly, the participation of Lionel R. on Flat Tires happened mainly because he was recording in a studio across the hall, Joni needed someone to sing the male role on the song, so L.R. came on over and did it. At least that's what I read in an interview years ago. Gratuitous? Probably not, I don't think Joni does gratuitous. People copy her and they are gratuitous. Bryan ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 22:43:07 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: WTRF << She did that live with the Orchestra on the BSN Tour if I'm not mistaken, that was wild. >> Dave, I believe you're thinking about "Be Cool", although she did a pretty cool pseudo-reggae version with her 1983 touring "orchestra"! ;~) Bob ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 23:31:03 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Re: I have some news on Joni's Tribute Album To paraphrase Paul Simon, "Tributes come and tributes go. So what are ya gonna do 'bout it? That's what I'd like ta know." Our own SCJoniGuy has been assembling a new tribute every few weeks for a very long time indeed. The glass is more than half full right here at home...... Jim ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2001 #188 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she?