From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2001 #186 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Monday, June 18 2001 Volume 2001 : Number 186 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. Information on the 4th "Annual" New England JoniFest: http://www.jmdl.com/jfne2001.cfm ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Today in Joni History: June 17 [les@jmdl.com] Today's Articles: June 17 [les@jmdl.com] Re: Where is the site * ["Kakki" ] Isle of Wight Festival '70 ["Ian Scott" ] Anaconda [Jennymac48@aol.com] Re: Anaconda [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] on father's day [mags ] Re: Anaconda [Mark Domyancich ] Goin Indie ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: Goin Indie [IVPAUL42@aol.com] Re: Isle of Wight Festival '70 [Randy Remote ] Rosie Vela, ELO vljc [Randy Remote ] Re: Isle of Wight Festival '69 or '70? ["Ian Scott" ] Re: Rosie Vela, ELO vljc [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Goin Indie [KJHSF@aol.com] Joni influences Bob [dsk ] Re: Isle of Wight Festival '69 or '70? [Randy Remote ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2001 03:14:18 -0400 From: les@jmdl.com Subject: Today in Joni History: June 17 On June 17 in Joni Mitchell History: 1972: Joni performs in Paris - ------------------------ Search (and contribute to) the "Today" database: http://www.jmdl.com/today ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2001 03:14:18 -0400 From: les@jmdl.com Subject: Today's Articles: June 17 On June 17 this article about Joni was published: 1998: "At Chieftains' invite, women turn to 'Stone'" - San Diego Union-Tribune (News Item) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/docs/980617sdu.cfm - ------------------------ The JMDL Article Database has 603 titles. http://www.jmdl.com/articles Contributions always welcome! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2001 00:04:52 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Where is the site * Debra, > They may be elsewhere, but I saw them as one of Raffaele's portfolio > pieces at: > > http://www.malanga.co.uk/diary/ They have always been on Raffaele's site, but Jim Johanson has also had a link to the site from jonimitchell.com since around the time of the Mendel exhibit last summer. That's how I first came upon it. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2001 10:43:13 -0700 From: "Ian Scott" Subject: Isle of Wight Festival '70 Thank you everybody for your friendly and helpful replies to my request for information regarding the Isle of Wight Festival. I've found another link that some of you may be interested in. http://www.iowrock.demon.co.uk/archive/afton_beken.html Ian ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2001 07:37:55 EDT From: Jennymac48@aol.com Subject: Anaconda Okay about the place and the tequila anaconda but is she singing abut herself??? First of all women don't piss, we pee. And second, can anybody ever imagine the Joanster being so out of it as to perform this albiet artistic endeavor?? However, my confusion, or is it a bad batch of Biloba, is this: the rest of the song sonds like she's totally referring to herself and her penchant for the blah blah blah. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2001 08:17:42 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Anaconda Hi Jenny, That intro to "Talk to Me" IS very strange... There was a moon and a street lamp I didn't know I drank such a lot Till I pissed a tequila anaconda The full length of the parking lot! Oh I talk too loose Again I talk too open and free I pay a high price for my open talking Like you do for your silent mystery There's basically NO transition from her "pissing" story to her going on about her talking...but I think it's there to set up the song as a somewhat playful one, and she changes subjects on lines 4 to 5 much like an overly yakky person would change subjects in conversation before you can get a word in edgewise. The first time I heard the song (on the radio, no less, when DJRD was new) I thought it was her pissing (or peeing or whatever verb one wishes to attach to the act) after drinking a drink called a Tequila Anaconda. But later I realized that she was saying that the stream wound down the parking lot like a snake. In any regard, Joni likes to consider herself as "one of the guys" and I don't think she'd have any problem squatting in a parking lot, probably after one of her companions had just pissed on a wall or "watered" a tree... Bob NP: Mary Chapin-Carpenter, "Stones In The Road" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2001 08:39:18 -0400 From: mags Subject: on father's day on father's day i am acutely aware of the absence of my own father. and into this silent place i find myself once again longing for something i am not sure i ever had instead of feeling sad or sorry for me it is my intention to give medals of courage ribbons of honour to you all the daddys in our Joni family enjoy your day Mags - -- - --------------------------------------------------------------------- _~O / /\_, ___/\ /_ - ----------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2001 11:30:16 -0500 From: Mark Domyancich Subject: Re: Anaconda Someone mentioned the recipe for a Tequila Anaconda a long time ago when we were discussing this song. I don't remember it, but I think they mentioned that actual urine was part of the recipe (ick!). I don't think she was actually drinking such a concoction, but drinking quite a bit. Mark NP-Phil & Friends, 4/16/99-Bertha > There's basically NO transition from her "pissing" story to her going on > about her talking...but I think it's there to set up the song as a somewhat > playful one, and she changes subjects on lines 4 to 5 much like an overly > yakky person would change subjects in conversation before you can get a word > in edgewise. > > The first time I heard the song (on the radio, no less, when DJRD was new) I > thought it was her pissing (or peeing or whatever verb one wishes to attach > to the act) after drinking a drink called a Tequila Anaconda. But later I > realized that she was saying that the stream wound down the parking lot like > a snake. > > In any regard, Joni likes to consider herself as "one of the guys" and I > don't think she'd have any problem squatting in a parking lot, probably after > one of her companions had just pissed on a wall or "watered" a tree... ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2001 12:10:53 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Goin Indie Yes, these two, along with Ani D. who is the original successful indie artist because she never was signed to a label (both Aimee & Jonatha got dropped from labels before they went indie), there are many other well known artists who now have their own labels (Prince, Emmylou), & zillions of lesser known acts making their way as indie artists. As Brenda mentioned, Courtney L is fighting to get out of her contract. It is pretty common for an indie artist to make more money on their own label than they would under contract, even if they sell fewer records. The hard part for an indie artist is getting the kind of recognition that big bucks can buy- radio play, marketing campaigns etc. Which makes Ani's success all the more remarkable because she never had the star making machinery promoting her. >>I'm betting that there will be more Aimee Mann's and Jonatha Brooke's emerging in the next couple of years.<<< ******************************************** Kate Bennett www.katebennett.com sponsored by Polysonics www.polysonics.com Discover the Indies at Taylor Guitars: http://www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/bennett.html ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2001 17:10:28 EDT From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: Goin Indie In a message dated 6/17/01 3:38:32 PM Eastern Daylight Time, kate@katebennett.com writes: << Yes, these two, along with Ani D. who is the original successful indie artist because she never was signed to a label (both Aimee & Jonatha got dropped from labels before they went indie), there are many other well known artists who now have their own labels (Prince, Emmylou), & zillions of lesser known acts making their way as indie artists. As Brenda mentioned, Courtney L is fighting to get out of her contract. >> Not to mention the Grateful Dead, whose efforts to set up their own label and distribution lines precede any of those mentioned. Paul I ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2001 15:26:43 -0700 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: Isle of Wight Festival '70 This site has a nice pic of a young looking Joni on stage with her Martin, also the full band lineup for the 5 day fest, pics of Tull, Hendrix....cool.... RR Ian Scott wrote: > Thank you everybody for your friendly and helpful replies to my request for > information regarding the Isle of Wight Festival. > I've found another link that some of you may be interested in. > > http://www.iowrock.demon.co.uk/archive/afton_beken.html > > Ian ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2001 15:53:15 -0700 From: Randy Remote Subject: Rosie Vela, ELO vljc First the Very Little Joni Content as it relates to this post- Joni and Rosie Vela sang backup on Don Henley's "Who Owns This Place" from the ST to "The Color of Money". I would guess that this song is on Bob's "Covers and Contributions" series....although Joni's voice on this song is blended in to the point of unrecognizability.... Also, as may have already been mentioned, Joni has short appearances in VH-l's Behind The Music series for "BTM-1970" and "BTM-1972". These recent segments are obviously taken from the same interview. There are one or two vintage clips, too, talking about the post 60's singer-songwriter movement. VH-1 is not showing these again this month-I'll try to alert the list if they play them again. Rosie Vela content- I tuned in late to a showing of the new VH-1 Storytellers Electric Light Orchestra episode-I was transfixed immediately by Jeff Lynne in fine voice running through a pile of his classic songs-with a great band, some string players, and a striking woman singing next to him. I began to suspect it was Rosie Vela, and this was verified when Lynne dedicated a new song which he had written for her. The music was great- I was never a big ELO fan-but really enjoyed this one. The only reruns VH-1 has scheduled at this time are: Tues June 19 1PM EST Wed June 20 11:30PM EST Randy says check it out! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2001 02:20:57 -0700 From: "Ian Scott" Subject: Re: Isle of Wight Festival '69 or '70? Randy et al, That helicopter incident is particularly significant when you consider that the IOW Festival, 1970, was the biggest live entertainment event in the history of the world: roadies who worked at both were unanimous that it was bigger than Woodstock. Now, the impression that I get from all publications is that there was some hostility between the crowd and Joni that day. This is ABSOLUTELY not true. I was sitting inside the arena and in a good position to feel the general mood of the crowd, and I can assure you that the only hostility was directed toward the helicopter pilot flying overhead and NOT at Joni. 95% of the crowd did not even notice the Yogi Bear incident( he had no mike and was not centre stage) and more than 99% had no sympathy for him. By the time, Joni struck into "Big Yellow Taxi" the helicopter had gone and everybody was listening to Joni. It's a great pity that there is all of this negativity in the reporting about the day that Joni played in front of the biggest audience in her life, because, on the day, apart from the helicopter incident, which was an unfortunate interruption that could have happened to anyone, and the Yogi Bear stage invasion (which almost nobody noticed), there was just a huge amount of love for Joni. Ian >Ian Scott wrote: > >Unfortunately, until now, I've only ever seen Joni perform live once, when I > >> was in my teens and she performed at the Isle of Wight Festival (an English >> equivalent of Woodstock). I remember her performance was marred by a noisy >> helicopter flying overhead, which Joni could nether see nor hear. This >> resulted in 100,000+ people booing, jeering and shouting "go away" at the >> helicopter. Sadly, Joni thought the boos were aimed at her and started to cry. >> My heart and that of the whole audience went out to her. I wonder if Joni ever >> found out the real reason why people were booing that day? I hope so. Anyway, >> this leads me to my question. there were two big Isle of Wight Festivals, >> August '69 when Bob Dylan topped the bill and August '70 when Jimi Hendrix was >> t ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2001 19:48:29 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Rosie Vela, ELO vljc << Joni and Rosie Vela sang backup on Don Henley's "Who Owns This Place" from the ST to "The Color of Money". I would guess that this song is on Bob's "Covers and Contributions" series....although Joni's voice on this song is blended in to the point of unrecognizability.... >> Didn't know about that one, Randy...thanks for the heads up. I sorta backed off of the "contributions" when I was told that they would be issued separately. And that was OK by me, because to me the covers are a lot more interesting. Like you say, a lot of the contributions that Joni makes to these other records are almost impossible to tell; if it wasn't in the credits you'd never know it! And, to change the subject...ELO put out a fairly decent string of records, "Face The Music", "A New World Record", and "Out of the Blue" (which would have been a great single disc but was a so-so double). I saw them live in Greensboro when they were touring Out of the Blue, and I always loved their version of 'Roll Over Beethoven' that intro's with the traditional strings of Beethoven's Fifth, then kicks it out with that classic Chuck Berry hook. It's one of those moments that makes rock great! Bob NP: Lucinda, "Jackson" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2001 20:02:51 EDT From: KJHSF@aol.com Subject: Re: Goin Indie In a message dated 6/17/2001 3:38:32 PM Eastern Daylight Time, kate@katebennett.com writes: << Yes, these two, along with Ani D. who is the original successful indie artist because she never was signed to a label (both Aimee & Jonatha got dropped from labels before they went indie), >> Along with another fantastic singer/songwriter, Patty Griffin, who I hear has been dropped from A&M who owns the masters of her forthcoming CD which will not be released or returned to Patty. Living With Ghosts, and Flaming Red, her first two CD's are magical! Don't let track #1 of Flaming Red turn you off to checking out the rest of the songs. She is one of the best singer/songwriters out there these days, and I would recommend her wholeheartedly! I don't know that much about Ani's music, but she seems to be a favorite of more than a few jmdl members! I read, recently, that she is one of the few artists, along with our Joan, who actually owns her songs, and I wonder if she took this lesson from Joni's experience in the shitty music biz. Does anyone know if Ani has said anything about Joni's influencing her writing or her good business sense? Ken ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2001 23:36:37 -0400 From: dsk Subject: Joni influences Bob On another discussion list, there was a post recently about Bob Dylan with a brief mention of his Tangled Up in Blue being written as a result of hearing Joni's Blue. I think it's so cool to hear about his Bobness being influenced by our Joni, instead of the usual other way around. The post mentioned an article that is mostly about the author trying to remember what Bob said to him in 1978 (hmmm good luck), but also includes these paragraphs about Joni's influence: But there was another enigma, another hazy memory, that I wanted to explore in reliving that interview experience, and it has to do with "Tangled Up in Blue"?specifically with the source of the title of that song, an iconic work that opens Blood on the Tracks and signaled a new direction in songwriting for Mr. Dylan. ... I think the title question is important. It has to do with something I think Mr. Dylan said to me in the course of that 1978 [Playboy] interview: I think he told me that he got the title of the song from a lost weekend he spent listening to Joni Mitchells classic Blue album, which predated Blood on the Tracks by three years. In effect, Mr. Dylan had been tangled up in Blue before writing "Tangled Up in Blue." And then theres the question of whether, even if he said it, he meant it. I dont know, it makes sense to me: Theres a new kind of Dylan songwriting on Blood on the Tracks, one that hes described as a shift from the kind of "unconscious" songwriting of the Blonde on Blonde period to the more conscious artistry of "Tangled Up in Blue," which plays with time schemes and rhyme schemes in a way Joni Mitchell does quite artfully when she doesnt tip over into self-parody. Im not a big fan of "Blue," the Joni Mitchell song (my all-time Joni Mitchell fave is "Amelia"). Nonetheless, I could see Mr. Dylan getting rapt or wrapped up in Blue. The entire article is here: http://www.observer.com/pages/edgy.asp. It includes some interesting comments by Bob about the way he visualizes his songs (rather than hears them), which seems similar to Joni's way of creating music. After reading that post, I listened today for the first time to the Blood on the Tracks cd I bought a year ago after reading what some jonilisters said about it, and discovered, yes, what an amazing piece of work it is!!! The guitar playing is surprisingly gentle and airy, Bob's singing is not nearly as growly as it usually seems to me, and the lyrics are so open and honest they hurt. Wow! Like Joni on Blue, Bob is unprotected here. And this music has been around since 1974! So glad I finally discovered it. I just looked at all the reviews on the jmdl site of the 1998 tour of Joni and Bob, and in almost every one there's mention of his standout rendition of Tangled Up in Blue. It might be that he plays this song impressively during every tour, but I like the idea that he played it so well during his tour with Joni as an homage to her influence. That's a sweet idea, isn't it? Puts a very warm heart inside that crabby exterior. Debra Shea NP still: Blood on the Tracks, "If you see her, say hello" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2001 20:35:27 -0700 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: Isle of Wight Festival '69 or '70? Ian, your account of the concert is fascinating in it's contrast to the general impression that has been floating around... The concert has generally been portrayed as an angry mob who were pissed off at the capitalist rock stars and promoters, tearing down fences, booing the performers, etc... your description makes it sound more like a regular (if huge) rock show.... I saw a film of Hendrix' set the other day-a powerful offhand bit of genius...also the Who have put out a double CD of their set, all of Tommy....so apparently the crowd was not so rowdy that they ruined the recordings! It's been a while since I've seen the "Message To Love" concert film, now I'm eager to see it again. Any other reflections you have would be most welcome. RR Ian Scott wrote: It's a great pity that there is all of this negativity in the reporting about the day that Joni played in front of the biggest audience in her life, > Randy et al, > > That helicopter incident is particularly significant when you consider that > the IOW Festival, 1970, was the biggest live entertainment event in the > history of the world: roadies who worked at both were unanimous that it was > bigger than Woodstock. Now, the impression that I get from all publications > is that there was some hostility between the crowd and Joni that day. This > is ABSOLUTELY not true. I was sitting inside the arena and in a good > position to feel the general mood of the crowd, and I can assure you that > the only hostility was directed toward the helicopter pilot flying overhead > and NOT at Joni. 95% of the crowd did not even notice the Yogi Bear > incident( he had no mike and was not centre stage) and more than 99% had no > sympathy for him. By the time, Joni struck into "Big Yellow Taxi" the > helicopter had gone and everybody was listening to Joni. > It's a great pity that there is all of this negativity in the reporting > about the day that Joni played in front of the biggest audience in her life, > because, on the day, apart from the helicopter incident, which was an > unfortunate interruption that could have happened to anyone, and the Yogi > Bear stage invasion (which almost nobody noticed), there was just a huge > amount of love for Joni. > > Ian > >Ian Scott wrote: > > > >Unfortunately, until now, I've only ever seen Joni perform live once, when > I > > > >> was in my teens and she performed at the Isle of Wight Festival (an > English > >> equivalent of Woodstock). I remember her performance was marred by a > noisy > >> helicopter flying overhead, which Joni could nether see nor hear. This > >> resulted in 100,000+ people booing, jeering and shouting "go away" at the > >> helicopter. Sadly, Joni thought the boos were aimed at her and started to > cry. > >> My heart and that of the whole audience went out to her. I wonder if Joni > ever > >> found out the real reason why people were booing that day? I hope so. > Anyway, > >> this leads me to my question. there were two big Isle of Wight Festivals, > >> August '69 when Bob Dylan topped the bill and August '70 when Jimi > Hendrix was > >> t ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2001 23:42:04 EDT From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: Isle of Wight Festival '69 or '70? In a message dated 6/17/01 11:39:11 PM Eastern Daylight Time, guitarzan@saber.net writes: << Ian, your account of the concert is fascinating in it's contrast to the general impression that has been floating around... The concert has generally been portrayed as an angry mob who were pissed off at the capitalist rock stars and promoters, tearing down fences, booing the performers, etc... your description makes it sound more like a regular (if huge) rock show.... >> Ian must have departed before Mungo Jerry decided not to perform. I can only imagine the outrage and disappointment felt by the throng when this news swept through the crowd. No doubt that's when they started tearing down the fences and booing. ;>) Paul I ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2001 02:30:59 -0400 From: "Thom Byrd" Subject: Pics of the muse? I want them to draw from* If anyone has originals that own the rights to that would be great*I had a great site *but I rebooted my puter and lost all my bookmarks* Thanks(*~*)thom _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2001 #186 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she?