From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2001 #164 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Sunday, May 27 2001 Volume 2001 : Number 164 The 'Official' Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. Information on the 4th "Annual" New England JoniFest: http://www.jmdl.com/jfne2001.cfm The Joni Chat Room: http://www.jmdl.com/chat.cfm ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Marian Wows Los Angeles JMDL Members! [Coyote4Joni@aol.com] early review S&L DVD [Vince Lavieri ] more not so early review S&L DVD [Vince Lavieri ] Last review S&L DVD [Vince Lavieri ] Re: Last review S&L DVD (Persuasions) [byron bentley ] Re: Last review S&L DVD [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Last review S&L DVD [Vince Lavieri ] Re: Jonigrass [Mark Domyancich ] Re: Last review S&L DVD [Catherine McKay ] Re: Starart [Catherine McKay ] Re: Last review S&L DVD [Vince Lavieri ] Sherelle Rocks! ["Jim L'Hommedieu" ] Re: Starart [KJHSF@aol.com] Re: Starart [susan+rick ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 26 May 2001 10:58:30 EDT From: Coyote4Joni@aol.com Subject: Marian Wows Los Angeles JMDL Members! Kakki Writes: << Marian was almost ready to drop when we arrived but once she got out the guitar she instantly got a second (or third) wind. Rick, Brad, and Clark were open-mouthed at the beauty of her performances of a wide spectrum of Joni, Jonatha and even some Richard Farina (Steve ;-) Jennifer is also very talented on guitar with a gorgeous voice and she and Marian did a few unbelievably beautiful duets together. Our Clark played us a few of his beautiful original songs, too, and I wish I would have had a professional set-up to record the event. Rick kept a setlist which will give you an idea of the incredible music we heard and I am waiting impatiently, er looking forward, to his report ;-D >> Coyote Rick belatedly obliges: I hope the Joni-only folks don't mind my not marking this NJC. To me there's nothing more Joni content than the music she creates. It's quite a challenge to read these notes, but here goes: Marian: Free Man In Paris Marian: Lucky Girl (My Request) Marian: Moon at the Window Marian: The Wolf that Lives in Lindsey Marian: Cherokee Louise Marian and Jennifer: Bramble in the Rose (Barbara Roth - sp?) Clark: True Friend (Clark Carlton) Clark: Love You At Least For Tonight (Clark Carlton) Clark: Believe Me Brother (Clark Carlton) Marian: Night Ride Home Marian: Ray's Dad's Cadillac Marian: Linger (JB) Marian and Jennifer: Children of Darkness ( Richard Farina) Marian and Jennifer: A Solan' (Peter, Paul, and Mary) Marian and Jennifer: LaLaLaLaLaLaLa (A Marian Original) Day After Day (Joni's First Demo) Wow. What an amazing night. Many thanks to Kakki for her superb hospitality and championship organization skills. Thank you seems inadequate to Clark, Marian, and Jennifer for sharing their amazing talent, and of course, Joni (and the others) for the words and music. Also, thanks to Air France for taking such good care of Marian's first class riding guitar! Don't dismay. As Mr. Dulson eluded, you too can hear these and other Marian favorites at Jonifest Los Angeles 2002 - A Trip to Mecca. Details TBA. No regrets, Coyote Rick Casa Alegre Hollywood, California ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 May 2001 12:35:44 -0400 From: Vince Lavieri Subject: early review S&L DVD I like it a lot more than the video as the picture is extraordinarily better IMHO. The DVD doesn't seem to have the various menu items that I am used to: not letterboxed, for sure. Seems to be a very simple transfer to DVD without the extras, transfer from the Japanese video. As far as sound goes, Dolby Digital 5.1 on DVD. Interesting song list, different from the cd but the same as on the Japanese video that I have with the exception of whatever that tidbit was that is called "I'm not a Juvenile Delinquent:" on the video. The packaging otherwise is also identical. Song list from DVD S&L: S&L (complete with James Dean "Rebel without a cause" footage but no audio) In France they kiss... Edith and the kingpin Coyote Free Man IP Goodbye PPH Jaco's Solo/The High and Mighty/Third Stone from the Sun Dry Cleaner FDM Amelia/ Pat's Solo Heijra Black Crow Furry STB Raised on Robbery Why do fools fall in love S&L Song list from video same except for S&L /"I'm not a Juvenile Delinquent:" In France they kiss... Edith and the kingpin Coyote Free Man IP Goodbye PPH Jaco's Solo/The High and Mighty/Third Stone from the Sun Dry Cleaner FDM Amelia/ Pat's Solo Heijra Black Crow Furry STB Raised on Robbery Why do fools fall in love S&L all this as opposed to song list from my cd which is Disc one: Introduction In france tkoms e&tk coyote Goodbye PP. Dry Cleaner fdm Amelia Pat's Solo Heijra Disc two: Black Crow Don's Solo Dreamland Free Man in paris Band intro Why do fools fall in love S&L God must be a boogie man Woodstock I hope this keeps the experts on these things happy, I hope I have reported enough to tell people what they need to know. (the Rev) Vince (did I do a good job, Jerry?) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 May 2001 13:06:27 -0400 From: Vince Lavieri Subject: more not so early review S&L DVD Old controversies revisited: I like her hair in the perm. So what if it is kind of late 70s early 80s. It looks good on her! (Also kind of resembles my ex-wife's perm same era, which looked good on her too at that length.) The little artsy stuff (coyote and mouse, Joni and luggage, the skater or dancer or whatever he was, even the James Dean segments and the rock and roll dancers) can all go. That is very dated. I say that knowing that a lot of my work from that period I wouldn't want the world to see now because it is that dated too. If all the stuff that I say should go had been woven into a more integral part of the video, maybe, but it just interrupts the video IMHO. Even the clips of Amelia Earhart seem intrusive. (My ex father in law knew Amelia by the way, and said she was a great pilot, very touch, and a foul mouth.) I was caught up by the A Earhart story when I was just a kid, it always moves me to see clips of her, but they seem intrusive in this video, tossed in because they could be. I guess I'd prefer a straight concert film or MTV type video. But this was early in the video development. And I still like her hair. (the Rev) Vince, NP Raised on Robbery ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 May 2001 13:27:36 -0400 From: Vince Lavieri Subject: Last review S&L DVD Those people in the crowd trying to rock out to Rasied on Robbery sure can't dance. For Why Do Fools Fall In Love, she says "let me bring the Persuasions back on" but they hadn't been "on" in this video prior... Why does Joni always do this oldie? I'd be interested in hearing her do some others that wewre her favorites when she was growing up. Some of the graphic ideas were obviously borrowed from Celebration at Big Sur. Shadows and Light is a gripping song, almost like a hymn, catches me every time I hear it. With the Persuasions backing her on S&L it verges on being a gospel tune. I'd like to hear some arrange that and with the right choir have Joni gospel rock out on S&L! It fact, the song cries out for that treatment. The picture quality of the DVD beats the video by so far there is no comparison. I have no sound system and have noted the Dolby 5.1 thing but the sound does seem better on my tv than the video. Are those four inch heels she is wearing? At least three. The three cheap-o features that come include a songlist (big deal, we have that oln the packaging), a two paragraph biography that says nothing except that Madonna says C&S was her favorite album in high school. Very lame biography. Three previews: Moody Blues singing from Days of Future Passed with an orchestra (who can't like that other than it is only 60 seconds or so?), some artsy documentary clips of the Eagles "Hell Freezes Over" also for 60 seconds, and Will Smith, Ricky Martin, Sting, Cher, all saying happy birthday to Tina Turner for forty seconds and a very brief clip of Tina singing some song that I never heard (long odds for that one). Now that I have reviewed in every possible way, thnk you catherine for posting it was available as I never would have known with her alert! I really like the DVD much more than the video. I might play this onea lot! (the Rev) Vince ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 May 2001 10:43:42 -0700 From: byron bentley Subject: Re: Last review S&L DVD (Persuasions) Vince Lavieri wrote: > For Why Do Fools Fall In Love, she says "let me bring the Persuasions > back on" but they hadn't been "on" in this video prior... The Persuasions were the opening act for the tour Byron ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 May 2001 14:51:12 EDT From: CarltonCT@aol.com Subject: Maid Marian comes to Los Angeles Hey Joniacs, My hero Marian of Vienna came to L.A. town. For those of you who don't play the guitar, she is one of several guitarists who created and maintain the Joni guitar site. These are very patient, talented individuals who have gone to some extremes in order to figure out Joni's tunings and her chord shapes so we can play them ourselves. I relearned how to play my guitar after putting it down for nearly 16 years as a result of going to the tablature site at jonimitchell.com and seeing just how the Joan does it. Even though Marian was jetlagged and on her last ounce of energy, she wowed us later at Kakki's cool apartment in the sky with renditions of lesser played Joni songs including The Wolf That Lives in Lindsey. When's the last time you heard a live version of that one? It was great to meet her and her talented sister Jennifer who also sings and plays. We met for dinner at Joni's fave Hollywood hang out, Les Deux Cafe which is behind an obscure building in a pretty grungy area of the city which is going through a renovation right now. The patio is very pretty with lots of trees and it's easy to see why Joni likes this place -- you can smoke, and the food is sublime. I had squab which was tender and filleted and sauced in an intense reduction with just a hint of thyme, a puree of turnips and braised cabbage with hazelnuts and bacon. The best dessert was a chartreuse ice cream sandwiched between layers of a chewy meringue. Like Joni, I will have to sell a song like "Both Sides Now" before I could eat there every night. As for Steve and Michelle, Rick and Brad, Kakki and Marian, well, JMDL people are interesting, fun and really pleasant to be with. hugs, Clark NP: Depeche Mode ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 May 2001 13:12:17 -0600 From: Les Irvin Subject: Starart Joniphiles - An article has been updated on the website that is a must-see. Although the Joni portion of the "Starart" book has been on-line for some time, I have recently updated it to include all the graphics from the book - many of them described and explained by Joni herself. It's truly an amazing article: http://www.jmdl.com/articles/docs/79starart.cfm Happy long weekend to all the yanks... Les ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 May 2001 16:17:56 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Last review S&L DVD << Why does Joni always do this oldie? I'd be interested in hearing her do some others that were her favorites when she was growing up. >> Firstly Rev, thanks for the great comments on your Joni DVD. I too think Joni looks very sexy and gorgeous in this film. Just watching her play and enjoy herself with Pat, Don, Jaco, & Michael is a real treat! I'm not sure I understood your question about "Fools"...she did it on this tour ONLY, and it was a great addition, as lyrically it did such a great job of summing up herself..."Why Do Fools Fall In Love"...anyway, when she toured again in '83, she did "Heard It Through the Grapevine", another oldie she liked, and in '98 she added "Comes Love", another REAL oldie from Billie, one of her influences. Obviously, she may have varied her shows a bit on the S&L tour, but she is generally not the type to REALLY mix things up night to night, she'll vary her set SOME but pretty much stick to what she's rehearsed with her band. She prides herself on being professional that way... Although I WAS overjoyed to hear BSN in Atlanta, which she said she had just worked out with Greg Liesz - he played guitar for her while she sang... Bob NP: Alice In Chains, "Grind" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 May 2001 16:37:25 -0400 From: Vince Lavieri Subject: Re: Last review S&L DVD SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: > << Why does Joni always do this oldie? I'd be interested in hearing her > do classic > some others that were her favorites when she was growing up. >> > > > I'm not sure I understood your question about "Fools"...she did it on this > tour ONLY, but she did it on PWW&M too! And since I've seen that video 1,746,391 times, it seems like *always* to me! > .anyway, when she toured > again in '83, she did "Heard It Through the Grapevine", another oldie she > liked, Now that would have been cooooool - are you going to tell me now it is on a cover cd and I have forgotten????? > and in '98 she added "Comes Love", another REAL oldie from Billie, one > of her influences. Comes Love not really an oldie as that is more of a classic -- I was ecstatic when she did Trouble Man in 98, that was fantastic. (the Rev) Vince ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 May 2001 15:44:41 -0500 From: Mark Domyancich Subject: Re: Jonigrass Bob, don't you recall those horrific covers on that tape that was treed a couple of years ago? I'm thinking of the Canadian tribute album. Every time I think of someone from a completely different genre recording a song that is completely different from their own makes me cringe a little. I do agree that Born To Take The Highway would work well as a bluegrass song, maybe a little banjo work from Ralph Stanley, who knows. NP-Joni, 2/20/76, Talk To Me > From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com > Reply-To: SCJoniGuy@aol.com > Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 15:20:00 EDT > To: , > Subject: Jonigrass > > <> > > Well, the genre might not lend itself to the song lyrically, but I think that > musically it would work very well. > > The same holds true for "Born to Take the Highway", I think that would > translate well both lyrically & musically to a bluegrass format. > > There is a version of Woodstock out there from the "Pickin' on CSN&Y" > collection, but I haven't heard it to know if it's more bluegrass or just > guitar-based. > > Additionally, Earl Scruggs does "Both Sides Now", but I also haven't got it > yet. > > Bob > > NP: REM, "Saturn Return" (nice return to form for my Georgia neighbors...) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 May 2001 17:41:35 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Last review S&L DVD - --- Vince Lavieri wrote: > Now that I have reviewed in every possible way, thnk > you catherine for > posting it was available as I never would have known > with her alert! I > really like the DVD much more than the video. I > might play this onea > lot! > Of course, you know, I haven't got mine yet - merde! Thanks for your review - I'm sure it's worth the wait (maybe another few days?) Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 May 2001 17:56:39 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Starart - --- Les Irvin wrote: > Joniphiles - > An article has been updated on the website that is a > must-see. Although > the Joni portion of the "Starart" book has been > on-line for some time, I > have recently updated it to include all the graphics > from the book - many > of them described and explained by Joni herself. > > It's truly an amazing article: > http://www.jmdl.com/articles/docs/79starart.cfm > > Happy long weekend to all the yanks... > Les Wow - what an amazing collection of art! I particularly love "Chair in the sky". Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 May 2001 18:18:30 -0400 From: Vince Lavieri Subject: Re: Last review S&L DVD Can I edit what I wrote? I am so embarrassed. > --- Vince Lavieri wrote: > > Now that I have reviewed THE S&L DVD in every possible way, thnk > [THANK] > > you catherine for > > posting THAT it was available as I never would have known > > withOUT her alert! I > > really like the DVD much more than the video. I > > might play this one a > > lot! > > > > Of course, you know, I haven't got mine yet - merde! > Thanks for your review - I'm sure it's worth the wait > (maybe another few days?) > Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca And Catherine, come on over! We can play it all weekend! (the Rev) Vince (who cannot type well obviously) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 May 2001 18:41:51 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Sherelle Rocks! This post is overdue. When I saw Sherelle's post the other day, I knew I'd have to introduce the newer folks like Megan and Anne to my appreciation for Sherelle's musicianship. Sherelle attended the JoniFest Pittsburgh, hosted by my friend, a dear human being and a smart alec herself, Julie Z. Webb. For those who haven't heard Sherelle sing, WOW, ARE YOU IN FOR A TREAT!! She has an exquisite voice. Among JMDLers, she's in the highest eschelon, along with ___ and ___. (Fill in your favorites.) Oh, my. Sherelle's voice. She gives you the feeling that she can go anywhere the moment strikes her to go, like ___. Similarly, she's very offhand about performing, like ___. Best of luck, bud. Hope to see you in Topsfield. All the best, Lama ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 May 2001 20:06:47 EDT From: KJHSF@aol.com Subject: Re: Starart In a message dated 5/26/2001 3:16:42 PM Eastern Daylight Time, les@jmdl.com writes: << http://www.jmdl.com/articles/docs/79starart.cf Is everyone as amazed as I am? What an incredible find! Thanks, Les, for the opportunity to view these images, many of which I had never seen. Once again, I'm reminded of Joni's artistry and genius as though I'm discovering her all over again. Ken from SF, in Ohio ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 May 2001 17:48:08 -0700 From: susan+rick Subject: Re: Starart On 5/26/01 5:06 PM, KJHSF@aol.com wrote > Is everyone as amazed as I am? What an incredible find! Thanks, Les, Double and triple that for me. I now know where the images are going to come from for the CD labels I'll be making for copies of Joni's tape tree CD's. Thanks again, Les Ranger Rick ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2001 #164 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she?