From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2001 #156 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Sunday, May 20 2001 Volume 2001 : Number 156 The 'Official' Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. Information on the 4th "Annual" New England JoniFest: http://www.jmdl.com/jfne2001.cfm The Joni Chat Room: http://www.jmdl.com/chat.cfm ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- CSN & Sometimes Y + news of new Joni Bio ["Paul Castle" ] Re: Shadows and Light DVD from Hong Kong ["Gerald Notaro (LIB)" ] Starting a new thing [RobSher50@aol.com] Re: jaco and pat [christopher blake ] The Map and The Face [susan+rick ] Re: The Map and The Face ["Kakki" ] Re: The Map and The Face [RoseMJoy@aol.com] RE: Starting a new thing ["Wally Kairuz" ] Re: The Map and The Face [FMYFL@aol.com] RE: The Map and The Face ["Nikki Johnson" ] Re: Bright Size Life....... ["dave foers" ] Re: Jaco Pastorius/ Pat Matheny Recommended Listening? ["dave foers" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 19 May 2001 09:22:04 +0100 From: "Paul Castle" Subject: CSN & Sometimes Y + news of new Joni Bio Francesco Lucarelli lucarelli.f@tin.it wrote > Unfortunately she hasn't been willing to talk to us, > although Nash put us in touch with her people This is a shame - perhaps she wants to keep her memories fresh for her own autobiography. But, as Kakki said, it still sounds an incredible project. I see on your site at http://www.booksoncsn.com that the publishers, Gopher, have a Scottish office. Will it be available in the UK from there, do you know? Also, any idea (roughly) as to how much it will cost? - sounds like a great Christmas present idea for my list to Santa! Talking of bios, I recently heard from Karen O'Brien who is writing "Joni Mitchell: Shadows and Light", which is due be published by Virgin in October. (She had been interviewing Gene Shay, who had put her on to me). She writes: "The book isn't an authorised work as such but is being done with the full knowledge of Joni and her management, and Joni has been very kind in agreeing that people like Larry Klein, Graham Nash and others can talk to me if they want to do so........Joni will also have the opportunity to read the ms so I imagine there'll be some feedback from her -- good, I hope !" Karen also writes: "I discovered the jmdl last year when starting my research and a couple of the members have been very helpful with providing tapes etc. The jmdl founder Les Irvin has also been great." I sent her the Rick Scott hitch-hiking story and she replied: "What a lovely anecdote! Thanks so much for sending that. Would you or your friend mind if I tried to work in a little of it -- it's a great illustration of Joni's ease with people in general (I actually have not heard a single bad thing about Joni's interactions with fans; quite rare for people in the public eye!)." I also mentioned Bob's covers project and she wrote "Yes, I did know about the Covers project; I am already planning to run a brief section in the Appendix detailing a selection of high-profile or unusual covers (I'll ask Bob if he wants me to put in a line, suggesting people contact him with more ideas)." She ends by saying "the book launch party which will be in October some time, almost certainly at the wonderful Helter Skelter music bookshop in Denmark St." [in London]. PaulC ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 May 2001 10:02:39 +0100 From: "Ross, Les" Subject: Best Lyricist of all time : BBC Poll results - ongoing The BBC is running a poll on their web page for the greatest lyricist of all time. (They are running articles on Bob Dylan due to his upcoming birthday.) It may interest JMDLrs out there that out of some 3000 pollers the following results are given... Bob Dylan - 25.36% John Lennon - 18.97% Paul McCartney - 7.97% Eminem - 3.39% Bob Marley - 22.07% Joni Mitchell - 2.67% Jim Morrison - 5.14% Cole Poter - 4.81% Irving Berlin - 2.57% Paul SImon - 7.05% Scandalous, if you ask me..... Hit this page first for the vote option - it's your duty. Gotta do something about the Niminim chappie.... http://news.bbc.co.uk/ or this to view the results http://newsvote.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/entertainment/music/newsid_1338000/1338 529.stm Les (London) who really should be working....hah! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 May 2001 11:29:50 +0100 From: "dave foers" Subject: Re: Jaco Pastorius/ Pat Matheny Recommended Listening? Hi David, thanks for that, much appreciated. I'll seek it out. Best wishes Dave, Stoke-on-Trent - ---------- >From: Dflahm@aol.com >To: dfoers@globalnet.co.uk >Subject: Re: Jaco Pastorius/ Pat Matheny Recommended Listening? >Date: Sat, May 19, 2001, 3:18 am > > Pat is on a very fine Michael Brecker CD called TIME IS OF THE ESSENCE. > > > DAVID LAHM ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 May 2001 11:28:17 +0100 From: "dave foers" Subject: Re: Shadows and Light DVD from Hong Kong Hi, no I havn't tried it in 5.1. I don't have the set up. However the quality is pretty impressive, and I'm quite happy just to have in stereo. The packaging and disc pressing does look legit, made under licence, although I know this is no guarantee it is legit. Best wishes Dave - ---------- >From: Randy Remote >To: dave foers , joni@smoe.org >Subject: Re: Shadows and Light DVD from Hong Kong >Date: Sat, May 19, 2001, 1:12 am > > Have you played it in 5.1? > So far, no one has verified that the Hong Kong version is > really in surround. Just wondering, since so many bootleg > CD's come from asia, and a surround sound version of > Shadows and Light would require access to the original > master tapes, whereas if it is not really licenced, they could > have just copied the laserdisc version. > RR > > dave foers wrote: > >> For what its worth, The Hong Kong Version is Multi Regional, Regions 1 to 5, >> as long as you have a NTSC compatible tv and player. Its brilliant! I play >> it over and over. >> >> Best wishes >> >> Dave, Stoke-on-Trent ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 May 2001 06:39:00 EDT From: Mitch327@aol.com Subject: First Time 2nd Fretter All, By the graciousness of "Sir Bob,' I was able to obtain the 2nd Fret collection (and some other neat stuff), which I had never heard (Why do I get the feeling that everyone who is a lifetime Joni fan who hears this stuff for the first time makes a similar post). Anyway, what can I say, I was blown away, on a lot of levels....First and foremost, I never thought of Joni as an "emerging artist." The first album of her's that I bought was Court and Spark (when she was already established), and I worked my way backwards (and forwards) from there. To hear her introducing/explaining songs like "Both Sides Now" to a small audience in an intimate setting is amazing. When I heard her introduce "All I Want" as a work in progress, and "Cactus Tree" as something she had written earlier that day, I almost drove off the road. And I never realized what a "hippie/folkie" she was back then, there is one segment where she is describing her dulcimer that was just FAR OUT MAN. And boy was she chatty, Leo Kottke and the Indigo Girls have nothing on her. Many, many interesting musical moments, and intros that shed light on a lot of her songs. Surprise highlight (for which the repeat button on CD players was invented for) was the groovin version of "Dreamland" complete with Kazoo? Mitch PS - Here she is in the late 60's talking about London, and she mentions taking a ride on a double-decker bus with "no driver on the top," man is she "poop shoobie" or what? NP - Court and Spark ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 May 2001 09:38:47 -0400 From: "Blair Fraipont" Subject: Re: Jaco Pastorius/ Pat Matheny Recommended Listening? YOu should Check out Jaco on Weather Report's "Heavy Weather". His bass playing just gives me the chills on track two. Actually, "Black Market" is a good one too by Weather Report and their live album 8:30 or Jaco's Solo Record. Speaking of Jaco, I got to talk to his wife Ingrid on the Italian Joe Zawinul Chat Room. She was very genuine and sweet. I asked her how Jaco felt about touring in '79 with JOni and she said that he never really talked about it much. Also, I didnt want to ask too many probing questions. Yet I did want to ask more, but I suddenly got disconnected and had to wait 10 mins to get back online. Nevertheless, she was really fun to chat with as well as the others on the chat room. Mr. Lahm, I don't know if you have heard it, but someone told me that Pat Methany did an album with Ornette Coleman in 1985 with others and is a really good record? Is this true, cause I love Mr. Coleman and would like to purchase it. Blair NP: No Self Control, Peter Gabriel >From: Dflahm@aol.com >Reply-To: Dflahm@aol.com >To: dfoers@globalnet.co.uk >CC: joni@smoe.org >Subject: Re: Jaco Pastorius/ Pat Matheny Recommended Listening? >Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 22:18:23 EDT > >Pat is on a very fine Michael Brecker CD called TIME IS OF THE ESSENCE. > > > DAVID LAHM _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 May 2001 15:50:40 +0100 From: philipf@tinet.ie Subject: Re: Jaco Pastorius/ Pat Matheny Recommended Listening? Dave asked > Can anyone recommend any recordings worth a listen to, with Jaco Pastorious > and/or Pat Matheny, The only cd I have with them together is Bright Size Life on ECM from 1976. It's a trio with Metheny, Pastorious and Bob Moses. It's beautiful with some lovely titles like Midwestern Nights Dream and Missouri Uncompromised. Philip ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 May 2001 10:06:34 -0500 From: "kerry" Subject: Midwest Joni-fest update Hi all, Well, we only ended up with about 7 people for our fest, so what about changing plans and just getting together here in Milwaukee for dinner and then a night out somewhere fun? Our invitation is still open to anyone! We're still planning for Saturday, June 16. Let me know if you're still interested and I'll keep you posted. Kerry NP - Stevie Nicks - Bombay Sapphire ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 May 2001 11:11:50 -0400 (EDT) From: "Gerald Notaro (LIB)" Subject: Re: Shadows and Light DVD from Hong Kong Steve Polifka bought it off of ebay and gave the technical qualities high marks. But no one has reported on the 5.1 mix. I'll be glad to if someone would send me the disc:-) Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 May 2001 17:14:07 +0200 From: "Mike Pritchard" Subject: Jaco Pastorius/ Pat Matheny Recommended Listening? depends which Pat Metheny you want to hear. I recommend the following... 'Beyond the Missouri Sky' (with Charlie Haden) bass and guitar duo - on Verve Records 1997. 'Secret Stories' (with various) Geffen 1992 (probably the best place to get an idea of his range) 'I can see your house from here' (with Jon Scofield) 2 guitars plus rhythm section. Blue Note 1996 'question and answer' (with Dave Holland and Roy Haynes) Guitar Jazz trio. Geffen, 1989. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 May 2001 10:10:30 -0600 From: "shane mattison" Subject: jaco and pat dave foers wrote: < Can anyone recommend any recordings worth a listen to, with Jaco Pastorious and/or Pat Matheny, other than with Joni?. I just think the sounds they make on the Joni stuff is 'sooo' special and soulful, I'd like to hear more....> two of my favourites dave are: "As Falls Wichita, So Falls Wichita Falls" (Metheny) "Offramp" (Metheny) also try "Jaco Pastorius" (solo album) all the best exploring the Pat Metheny Group. i've seen pat many times on his almost annual vancouver tours...first time as a teen prodigy lead guitar for Gary Burton in a gig in a small room! yes, joni has often found the best of the best... and all that jazz... shane http://www.angelfire.com/art/cactussong ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 May 2001 12:22:44 EDT From: RobSher50@aol.com Subject: Starting a new thing Hi everyone, I used to be very active on the list and have for the past three years been a "lurker." I hope everyone does well. This place has made such a difference in my life. It seems when things were darkest, having other people who loved Joni's music and could relate to "melancholy that's as natural as these moody skies today" really helped me get through some tough times. Well, kids, I have begun my musical career. I've been in the studio for the past year off and on due to the fact that I wasn't ready to make a full commitment. I'm still working a regular job, but only until I can finish my CD and find another way to live until I can sustain myself on musical income alone. The nice thing is that the "Powers that be" seem to be smiling down on me. By a strange turn of events which include my brother in Hawaii, and a pie recipe, my three song demo is on its way into the hands of Quincy Jones! The category my music best fits into is contemporary jazz, but from what I'm told, I have a "Steely Dan-ish," "Chaka Kahn-ish," "Sarah Vaugh-ish," "Toto-ish" thing going on...go figure! This group has been so much a part of where I am going now. I've turned my other bedroom into a studio of sorts, and I have the lithograph picture of Joni that was past out at the JoniFest in Pittsburgh on my wall. She will always be the ultimate songstress to me. (Sarah Vaughn coming in a close second) I would like to, for as long as I can send my Joni friends a tape copy of the demo I've completed, (can't afford CD's yet) so that you can share in what I'm doing...on the house. Email me at RobSher50@aol.com if you would like one. You guys mean a lot to me and I want to share this with you as much as I can. Love, Sherelle ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 May 2001 10:45:16 -0700 (PDT) From: christopher blake Subject: Re: jaco and pat - --- shane mattison wrote: > dave foers wrote: > < Can anyone recommend any recordings worth a > listen to, with Jaco > Pastorious > and/or Pat Matheny, other than with Joni?. I just > think the sounds they make > on the Joni stuff is 'sooo' special and soulful, I'd > like to hear more....> > two of my favourites dave are: > "As Falls Wichita, So Falls Wichita Falls" (Metheny) > "Offramp" (Metheny) > also try "Jaco Pastorius" (solo album) > > all the best exploring the Pat Metheny Group. i've > seen pat many times on his > almost annual vancouver tours...first time as a teen > prodigy lead guitar for > Gary Burton in a gig in a small room! > yes, joni has often found the best of the best... > and all that jazz... > shane > http://www.angelfire.com/art/cactussong hi shane, i was about to recommend the jaco lp myself and wanted to make sure i don't just repeat what you have said. the jaco lp: is that the one with the b&w cover which is his whole face? the one with "come on, come over" on it? or is it the one that you mentioned jaco's first solo lp called "jaco" which is the first recording that pat ever appeared on? as i recall it, the album sounds pretty much the same all the way through. the songs were all written by the keyboardist who played only the hammond organ, with pat noodling a la jerry garcia throughout. i must say that their efforts on joni's stuff show what added maturity can do for a musician. have an awesome day - chris(topher) Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 May 2001 13:06:50 -0700 From: susan+rick Subject: The Map and The Face Sorry, I lost the real name of this thread but anyway: I've just uploaded an email attachment to Catgirl's list (JoniMitchellFans) with a scan of the cartoon coaster which clearly shows a face obscuring most of Quebec and the Maritimes (that's the eastern part of Canada for those of you unfamiliar with Canadian geography.) It's about 200 k so it won't take too long to download. The face is done in Joni's sketch style, much like her marker portrait of Neil Young, and is fairly realistic but not quite recognizable. The mouth seems to be obscured. Guesses anyone? Ranger Rick, off to buy (drum roll please) a vacuum cleaner. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 May 2001 13:11:18 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: The Map and The Face Rick, Thanks so much for posting the close-up. My friend is still here visiting and she immediately saw the "real" face - the cartoon face I saw turns out to be the Great Lakes lol. Gee, Joni must have had to use a magnifying glass to get in such detail. The man looks very handsome - hmmmm. Still pondering, Kakki > The face is done in Joni's sketch style, much like her marker portrait of > Neil Young, and is fairly realistic but not quite recognizable. The mouth > seems to be obscured. > > Guesses anyone? > > Ranger Rick, off to buy (drum roll please) a vacuum cleaner. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 May 2001 16:46:38 EDT From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: The Map and The Face In a message dated 5/19/01 4:18:24 PM Eastern Daylight Time, rnsc@direct.ca writes: > The face is done in Joni's sketch style, much like her marker portrait of > Neil Young, and is fairly realistic but not quite recognizable. The mouth > seems to be obscured. > > Thanks, Rick. Now I see a side profile. Is that what you guys see? He seems to be bearded. Hmmm... no clue Rose rosemjoy@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 May 2001 17:57:10 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: Starting a new thing sherelle!!!!!!! you mistress undisputable of soulful singing and fellow contributor on a tape of you! best of luck and congrats! xo wallyK [you might have known me as wallyburgers when you posted regularly] - -----Mensaje original----- De: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]En nombre de RobSher50@aol.com Enviado el: Sabado, 19 de Mayo de 2001 01:23 p.m. Para: joni@smoe.org Asunto: Starting a new thing Hi everyone, I used to be very active on the list and have for the past three years been a "lurker." I hope everyone does well. Sherelle ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 May 2001 18:23:45 EDT From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: The Map and The Face In a message dated 5/19/01 4:18:24 PM Eastern Daylight Time, rnsc@direct.ca writes: > The face is done in Joni's sketch style, much like her marker portrait of > Neil Young, and is fairly realistic but not quite recognizable. The mouth > seems to be obscured. > > Guesses anyone? > > Thanks for the closeup Rick! I'm not on any hallucinogens, but I do see two separate faces (especially when I squint my eyes). In the top right hand corner I see the face of a man with thick heavy eyebrows. My guess would be Jack Palance, but I doubt it's him :~).......then the mouth of Jack becomes the eye of a profile of a beautiful woman, which to me looks like Joni. (the chin from Jack becomes Joni's nose). Okay, I am on some cold medication, but that's just what I see!!! Going back to bed, Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 May 2001 18:34:30 -0400 From: "Nikki Johnson" Subject: RE: The Map and The Face Oh wow it's like one of those mind things...you know like that infamous picture of a woman where some people see an old woman and some people see a young woman. It took me a second but I can see the cartoon face that looks bearded and also a very detailed beautiful sketch which the cartoon face is part of. Cool! Thanks for sending that! Love Nikki "Dream on but don't imagine they'll all come true...Vienna waits for you" ~ Billy Joel > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]On Behalf Of Kakki > Sent: Saturday, May 19, 2001 4:11 PM > To: susan+rick; joni@smoe.org > Subject: Re: The Map and The Face > > > Rick, > > Thanks so much for posting the close-up. My friend is still here visiting > and she immediately saw the "real" face - the cartoon face I saw turns out > to be the Great Lakes lol. Gee, Joni must have had to use a magnifying > glass to get in such detail. The man looks very handsome - hmmmm. > > Still pondering, Kakki > > > The face is done in Joni's sketch style, much like her marker > portrait of > > Neil Young, and is fairly realistic but not quite recognizable. > The mouth > > seems to be obscured. > > > > Guesses anyone? > > > > Ranger Rick, off to buy (drum roll please) a vacuum cleaner. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 May 2001 00:28:24 +0100 From: "dave foers" Subject: Re: Bright Size Life....... That's great, thanks for your help, much appreciated! I'll check it out. Best wishes Dave, Stoke-on-Trent - ---------- >From: "Ross, Les" >To: "'dfoers@globalnet.co.uk'" >Subject: Bright Size Life....... >Date: Sat, May 19, 2001, 8:53 am > > and an album called Watercolours (I think) both by Pat Metheny but featuring > throughout, the bass playing of Jaco Pastorius. Mmm mmm mmmm. > > Enjoy. > > Les (London) ....from the JMDL ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 May 2001 00:29:16 +0100 From: "dave foers" Subject: Re: Jaco Pastorius/ Pat Matheny Recommended Listening? Thanks alot, really appreciate that, nice story too. I'll sort out the album. Me thinks I have some serious listening to do - look forward to it. Best Wishes Dave - ---------- >From: "Blair Fraipont" >To: Dflahm@aol.com, dfoers@globalnet.co.uk >Subject: Re: Jaco Pastorius/ Pat Matheny Recommended Listening? >Date: Sat, May 19, 2001, 2:38 pm > > YOu should Check out Jaco on Weather Report's "Heavy Weather". His > bass playing just gives me the chills on track two. Actually, "Black Market" > is a good one too by Weather Report and their live album 8:30 or Jaco's Solo > Record. Speaking of Jaco, I got to talk to his wife Ingrid on the Italian > Joe Zawinul Chat Room. She was very genuine and sweet. I asked her how Jaco > felt about touring in '79 with JOni and she said that he never really talked > about it much. Also, I didnt want to ask too many probing questions. Yet I > did want to ask more, but I suddenly got disconnected and had to wait 10 > mins to get back online. Nevertheless, she was really fun to chat with as > well as the others on the chat room. > > Mr. Lahm, I don't know if you have heard it, but someone told me that Pat > Methany did an album with Ornette Coleman in 1985 with others and is a > really good record? Is this true, cause I love Mr. Coleman and would like to > purchase it. > > Blair > NP: No Self Control, Peter Gabriel > > >>From: Dflahm@aol.com >>Reply-To: Dflahm@aol.com >>To: dfoers@globalnet.co.uk >>CC: joni@smoe.org >>Subject: Re: Jaco Pastorius/ Pat Matheny Recommended Listening? >>Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 22:18:23 EDT >> >>Pat is on a very fine Michael Brecker CD called TIME IS OF THE ESSENCE. >> >> >> DAVID LAHM > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 May 2001 22:09:24 EDT From: MDESTE1@aol.com Subject: Re: Midwest Joni-fest update (md) I suggest you guys commandeer a piano bar and let "the voice" Steve Polifka do a set of his Joni songs and some originals. Steves version of Two Grey Rooms would be a fine topping to a minifest. marcel deste ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 May 2001 02:55:34 From: "c Karma" Subject: Rhymes with Canuck? My pet name for Joni and Larry Klein as a couple was "The Canuck and The Shnook." Does that rhyme? I really should have invested in a rhyming dictionary. Have I been mispronouncing Can-nook? CC _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2001 #156 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she?