From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2001 #151 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Tuesday, May 15 2001 Volume 2001 : Number 151 The 'Official' Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. Information on the 4th "Annual" New England JoniFest: http://www.jmdl.com/jfne2001.cfm The Joni Chat Room: http://www.jmdl.com/chat.cfm ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: The New Yorker Article ["hell" ] Re: Best 2 made-up CD's - JONI GOLD [Kobus Louwrens ] Re: howdy and questions questions questions [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: The New Yorker Article [Catherine McKay ] FW: Confessions and Joni's Best Albums ["Jim L'Hommedieu" ] Re: The New Yorker Article [IVPAUL42@aol.com] Re: FW: Confessions and Joni's Best Albums [IVPAUL42@aol.com] Re: The New Yorker Article [Catherine McKay ] music scheduling for Labor Day JoniFest [Anne Sandstrom ] Re: JMDL Digest V2001 #216 -- 80s vs. 70s and a special concert tour [BR] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 22:46:01 +1200 From: "hell" Subject: Re: The New Yorker Article Bob wrote: > Joni's said several times that when she first heard "You've got a lot of > nerve, to say that I'm your friend" she realized that the sky was the limit > as far as subject matter & lyrics were concerned. > > Still, I think she would have wandered along the same path and ended up where > she did without him...that talent and her search for truth & beauty was > already instilled in her from the start. I totally agree here. I think Joni has always openly acknowledged Bob's contribution to song-writing etc. but I think even without his influence, that creative muse would have been too much to hold back. Hasn't she said she started singing to pay her way through art-school? I imagine that would have happened regardless of who else was writing at the time. Hell ____________________________ "To have great poets, there must be great audiences too." - Walt Whitman hell@ihug.co.nz Hell's Personal Photo Page: http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hell/main/personal.htm Visit the NBLs (Natural Born Losers) at: http://www.nbls.co.nz ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 12:45:53 +0200 From: Kobus Louwrens Subject: Re: Best 2 made-up CD's - JONI GOLD Clive Brothers wrote: >I am saddened by the very low ranking given to Chelsea Morning on the poll >vote.It's such a beautiful,cheerful,simple song with so much hope >for the future. I actually find that song quite bitter-sweet. It sounds to me like the woman in the song fights a losing battle to hang onto the good times and begging her lover not to go. and then he goes anyway 'pretty baby won't you. . . woke up it's a Chelsea morning' It's subtle, but I don't think it's a happy ending Kobus ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 08:31:58 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: howdy and questions questions questions <<(There have been more JMDL tributes since the one from, oh, three, four years ago? Are more planned?)>> Just to clarify, this is not JMDL performances but rather collections of recorded (and some live) performances of Joni songs from some famous and some not-so-famous performers. The latest Volume #17 runs the gamut from Andy Summers playing "Goodbye Pork Pie Hat" to an Italian rock band doing "Woodstock". <> Yes, and now we've got to shut down our "Neil-cam" website! ;~) Bob NP: Joni, "Lakota" live '86 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 10:31:32 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: The New Yorker Article - --- CHRIS TREACY wrote: > Paul wrote : "Dylan broke the doors > > down. He changed the way songs were written and > what > > they were written about." > > And, much as I'm not too much of a Dylan fan, I have > to agree with Paul on this. Much as the statement in > the Times article SEEMS outrageous to us on one > level, > because of our devotion to Joni, one must give > credit > where credit is due. Furthermore, Joni herself > credits > Dylan - citing a shift in writing style coinciding > with his 'going electric' - as suddenly making it > acceptable to write about anything, paving the way > for > a whole new wave of interpersonal discourse in > songwriting. She's said it a million times. > I think in my case it's not so much "devotion to Joni" but perhaps failure to appreciate Bob Dylan. What is it precisely about him that's supposed to be so innovative? I don't find his music particularly "new" - - his music IMO is pretty predictable. Is it the lyrics? I agree that Joni does pay him tribute, and I'm not trying to be sarcastic, or a pain in the ass - I just don't get it! Somebody please enlighten me! Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 12:44:17 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: FW: Confessions and Joni's Best Albums I tried to send this from work but it bounced. Anyway, here it is: > Mark in Seattle said, > > I think THOSL was a watershed for a lot of people. > > I remember it took me a *long* time to finally 'get it'. > > And I remember thinking, "Cool album. Someone beside Keith Emerson > understands that you can use classical elements and jazz elements in the > same oeuvre." ("Nutcracker" and "Rondo Blue ala Turk", anyone?) > > For me, "The Hissing Of Summer Lawns" was a natural _evolution_ , not a > departure. My earlier, high school era's typical day of music was: > Beethoven introducing the NBC Evening News with Chet Huntley and David > Brinkley, then Getz and Rollins and Armstrong and Ellington and Basie (and > Annie Ross'es "Farmer's Market") from the living room, then Sly and the > Family Stone from the radio, then backfilling with my own selection: a > history lesson from the early Beatles. > > "The Hissing Of Summer Lawns"? > > > I **GOT** it - like mother's milk. (That is, it ran all through my > circuits like a heartbeat.) "The Hissing Of Summer Lawns" fit perfectly > into the experience of an evening in my parents home and walking from room > to room. That album smells like home. > > Lama > > ps- The other day I put on Deja vu after a long period without listening to > it and I was struck by how little the title track sounds like Rock. I mean, > it sounds more like David Crosby's "If Only I Could Remember My Name". > Weird progressions, irregular pauses, and no back beat at all (on purpose of > course. It's no wonder Crosby GOT it too. He was "inoculated" with the > same batch. Twins of spirit, no matter what route home we take. Or what we > forsake.) Kakki, Michael, is "Deja vu" a Crosby track? > > np: David Lahm's "Take" (ha!) on "she is another canyon laaaaady." Oh! Oh, > my! David gets it, big time. More solo piano, big guy! > > ***BUY THIS DISC!*** ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 13:50:41 EDT From: Relayer211@aol.com Subject: Re: The New Yorker Article In a message dated 5/14/01 10:41:23 AM Eastern Daylight Time, anima_rising@yahoo.ca writes: << Is it the lyrics? >> You better believe it is!!! His lyrics were incredibly innovative and brilliant...have you listened to masterpieces like "Another side of Bob Dylan?","Bringing it all back home"","Blonde on Blonde"? ect... ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 20:18:20 +0200 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Helga_L=F6ltgen?= Subject: Freundschaft - diese wunderbare Balance.... zwischen Innigkeit und Distanz - - PC-Kontakt - - Gedankenaustausch - - Versuche der Anndherung - - |ber das Gemeinsame JONI MITCHELL hinaus... Nat|rlich soll man nicht im voraus gratulieren, und das werde ich auch nicht tun, aber weil ich morgen einfach keine Zeit habe, w|nsche ich Dir einen SCHVNEN Geburtstag Liebe Karin, in freundschaftlicher Zuneigung simply have a splendid birthday!!!! And to all of you - who can4t make a sense out of this, please, simply, wish Karin a Happy Birthday: Mauski4648@aol.com 15. of May 2001 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 14:17:56 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: The New Yorker Article Thanks. I was hoping you'd say that. It's the only plausible explanation! - --- Relayer211@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 5/14/01 10:41:23 AM Eastern > Daylight Time, > anima_rising@yahoo.ca writes: > > << Is it the > lyrics? >> > > > You better believe it is!!! His lyrics were > incredibly innovative and > brilliant...have you listened to masterpieces like > "Another side of Bob > Dylan?","Bringing it all back home"","Blonde on > Blonde"? ect... Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 14:17:27 EDT From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: The New Yorker Article In a message dated 5/14/01 10:39:04 AM Eastern Daylight Time, anima_rising@yahoo.ca writes: << I think in my case it's not so much "devotion to Joni" but perhaps failure to appreciate Bob Dylan. What is it precisely about him that's supposed to be so innovative? I don't find his music particularly "new" - his music IMO is pretty predictable. Is it the lyrics? I agree that Joni does pay him tribute, and I'm not trying to be sarcastic, or a pain in the ass - I just don't get it! Somebody please enlighten me! >> I agree it's difficult to see it or understand it in retrospect. Once you are awash in the lake, you cannot appreciate the raindrops. You have to look at what most songs were being written about in the early to mid '60s, then listen to songs like Positively 4th Street, Like A Rolling Stone, A Hard Rain's Gonna Fall or some of his others from that period. Paul I ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 14:19:38 EDT From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: FW: Confessions and Joni's Best Albums In a message dated 5/14/01 12:53:44 PM Eastern Daylight Time, jlamadoo@home.com writes: << Kakki, Michael, is "Deja vu" a Crosby track? >> Of course it is. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 15:05:06 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: The New Yorker Article - --- IVPAUL42@aol.com wrote: > I agree it's difficult to see it or understand it in > retrospect. Once you > are awash in the lake, you cannot appreciate the > raindrops. > You have to look at what most songs were being > written about in the early to > mid '60s, > then listen to songs like Positively 4th Street, > Like A Rolling Stone, A Hard > Rain's Gonna Fall or some of his others from that > period. Thanks for clearing that up. I guess I was never a *direct* fan of Mr. Zimmerman, even though I had quite a few Bob Dylan songbooks and versions of his songs sung by others (although there are many I can hear in my head ONLY in his voice). I guess he was so ingrained (after a while) into the spirit of that time that it would be impossible *not* to be aware of him directly or indirectly. I guess I took him for granted! Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 15:03:43 -0400 From: Anne Sandstrom Subject: music scheduling for Labor Day JoniFest Hi everyone. I'm including everyone in this email (not just the Joni-onlys and the JoniFest list) because some of you may not have signed up yet, but will want/need this info if you're planning or thinking about coming to JoniFest. I'm doing the schedule for all the performances on Saturday (from noon to 9:30). So far, I've heard from a few folks, but there's still plenty of time available. HOW I'M SCHEDULING EVERYONE I have a spreadsheet with the time at 5 minute intervals. I figure 1 song equals one 5-minute slot. If you ask for time to do one set on Ashara's form, you get 20 minutes (4 songs or 'slots'). But, if you say you want to do a 'set' of 3 songs, you get 3 5-minute slots (15 minutes). So far, I'm giving everyone what they ask for. I've also included time for give-aways and sing-alongs. When I run out of slots, I'll look at where I can fit in those who want time to perform. This might mean I'll ask some people if they can do a song or two less (depending on how many they've signed up to do.) So, if you're planning on doing 10 songs, I might ask that you do only 8 or 9. The one thing that will be harder to do, the closer we get to the actual date, is to fit you in at the time of day you really want. So, if you REALLY can't stand playing before dark, for example, let me know now. WHAT YOU SHOULD PLAY It's not up to me to tell you what to play and what not to play. The only thing I'll be trying to avoid is 5 versions of The Circle Game. So, I'll let everyone know by private email if anyone else is playing the same Joni song(s) you are. I'll let you know who's doing what. I mean, if you still want to do "The Dry Cleaner from Des Moines" even though Joni herself is doing it right after you, well, be my guest. From a scheduling point of view in avoiding duplictes, of course original material is a breeze. My opinion (which doesn't count) is that I love to hear other JMDLers' original stuff. And as a performer, I'd always prefer to do material I feel I do well, rather than a second-best rendition of a Joni song. But, that's just my opinion. Anyway, I'll be looking at originals/non-Joni vs. Joni material and try to balance it out so that there aren't long stretches of non-Joni material. REQUESTS If there are Joni songs you'd just love to hear someone else do, let me know. I'll publish the list of requests along with the schedule each week (or as needed - if there are no changes from one week to the next, I'll wait until there are changes.) THE SCHEDULE SO FAR: (I'll be publishing in a format like this, not the 5-minute slot format. And, since they're flexible, I won't be including the give aways and sing alongs in this format, but they'll be in the spreadsheet. They're in the "available" times.) 12:00 - 12:45 - available 12:45 - 1:00 - Anne Sandstrom 1:00 - 1:20 - Nikki Johnson 1:30 - 1:45 - Christopher Duzak 1:45 - 1:50 - Megan M. Allen 1:50 - 4:15 - available 4:15 - 4:35 - Chuck Eisenhardt 4:40 - 4:50 - John van Tiel 5:00 - 5:40 - Michael Paz 5:50 - 6:05 - Alison Einersen 6:05-6:20 - available 6:20 - 6:50 - Marcel Deste 7:00 - 7:35 - Steve Polifka 7:35 - 8:45 - available 8:45 - 9:30 - Wally Kairuz Feel free to email me with comments, questions, requests, etc... lots of love Anne ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 17:33:42 -0400 From: asandstrom@macromedia.com Subject: one more email about music scheduling for JoniFest Hi again. I just wanted to clarify a couple of things about the music schedule for JoniFest. First of all, the sample schedule was to show you the FORMAT. The data I used to fill it in is just what I've received so far, but the actual times and lengths of sets will be different. (Realistically, based on previous fests, sets won't be any longer than 20 minutes each. That way, we'll get to hear everyone who wants to play.) Also, as I said, I'm scheduling a lot of sing-alongs. These will be Joni songs. It would be great if the list of requests (send in those requests!) inspires those who play instruments to accompany a whole group of "out of tune' voices. (My personal favorite JoniFest moment was sharing the mike with Kenny Grant, and the stage with a bunch of other JMDLers on This Flight Tonight.) And maybe you don't want to do a set or even a whole song by yourself. Maybe you've always dreamed of doing the third verse of "Judgment of the Moon and Stars." So, send that along too. I'm really getting excited about Labor Day weekend. And I can't wait to hear all those out of tune voices together! lots of love Anne ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 19:39:47 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: Best 2 made-up CD's - JONI GOLD > I actually find that song quite bitter-sweet. It sounds to me like the woman > in the song fights a losing battle to hang onto the good times and begging > her lover not to go. > > and then he goes anyway > > 'pretty baby won't you. . . > > woke up > it's a Chelsea morning' > > It's subtle, but I don't think it's a happy ending He does stay and it is a happy ending. She changes to present tense in that ending. Listen carefully. She sings: Pretty baby won't you Wake up, it's a Chelsea Morning Actually took me until very recently to catch that one. Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 23:41:18 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Re: The New Yorker Article np: Bootleg Springsteen and the E Street Band doing "Born In the USA". Hey, this is **not** a guilty pleasure! Bruce is talking about the "new" personnel in the band: Nils and some 'girl' named Patty. :D *** I lost the attribution on this one but I think it was a journalist: "Without Dylan, the Beatles would likely have stuck to simple R&B; without him, no Neil Young, no Lou Reed, no Joni Mitchell, no Bruce Springsteen, no Clash, no Kurt Cobain." *** Here's to Bobby! The wonder of Hibbing, Minnesota. (Or is it New York, New York?) He sorta snuck in on the coattails of folk, lit up a joint and decided to kick the door down to let in some light. Under Bobby's uhhh.... influence, Paul and John started writing more interesting stories. Roger / Jim found an audience. Joan got some respect for migrant workers. Ramblin' Jack got work. Arlo got a contract. And some prairie girl, sneaking a smoke before Kratzman's English class, tipped her head and noticed that suddenly, *because of Bobby*, the radio allowed more freedom to songwriters. Definitely, Bobby kicked down the door. Hell, he bulldozed the front WALL. And lo, the light poured in. Lamadoo ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 00:32:45 EDT From: BRYAN8847@aol.com Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2001 #216 -- 80s vs. 70s and a special concert tour Lots of interesting discussion lately on 70s classics vs. 80's experiments. Though I said the other day that WTRF and DED can hardly compare favorably to C&S and Blue, I have to add now that I have always enjoyed the 80's work immensely, especially CMIARS, perhaps largely because of the complexity and quality of the production. So I wouldn't necessarily rank the 80s work lower in terms of its importance to me, though I recognize it doesn't seem to have the lasting impact of the classics (yes, this is hard to explain....) Also, many of you may be interested in a special concert series coming up during much of the rest of this year: The Judy Collins Wildflower Festival, featuring Judy, Roger McGuinn, Janis Ian and Richie Havens (and perhaps others). Go to judycollins.com or janisian.com for a schedule. I saw Judy, Janis and Roger in a similar show three years ago in Seattle and it was fantastic. Judy is a still a captivating performer (and when in good voice a helluva singer still); Janis (a long-time favorite of mine) has become a kick-ass guitar player and her voice has grown stronger with age; Roger plays a phenomenal 12-string guitar and sings Byrds and folk-rock classics. Not so familiar with Richie, but I'm sure he'll round out the show well. Bryan ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2001 #151 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she?