From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2001 #148 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Saturday, May 12 2001 Volume 2001 : Number 148 The 'Official' Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. Information on the 4th "Annual" New England JoniFest: http://www.jmdl.com/jfne2001.cfm The Joni Chat Room: http://www.jmdl.com/chat.cfm ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- First entry ["Laurent Olszer" ] RE: First entry ["Wally Kairuz" ] Going to California [Jodcrazee@aol.com] All hail to Yael!! [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] TTT ["J.David Sapp" ] Re: JMDL Digest V2001 #212 -- LK influence [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: First entry [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Confessions and Joni's Best Albums [Don Rowe ] re: Border Crossings article/LK influence ["c Karma" ] California ["William Waddell" ] Chiming in again [farneddy@mindspring.com] Best of game [farneddy@mindspring.com] don juan's reckless daughter ["shane mattison" ] Re: Going to California ["blonde in the bleachers" ] Re: Chiming in again [IVPAUL42@aol.com] Re: Chiming in again [Don Rowe ] Re: Going to California [IVPAUL42@aol.com] Re: Chiming in again [catman ] Re: Chiming in again [Don Rowe ] Re: Chiming in again [RoseMJoy@aol.com] Re: Chiming in again [Don Rowe ] Hissed Off [BachelorNumero2@aol.com] Re: Hissed Off [cvickery@danielrealty.com] Re: Hissed Off [catman ] Re: Chiming in again [catman ] Re: Hissed Off [catman ] RE: Hissed Off ["Deb Messling" ] Re: Hissed Off [RoseMJoy@aol.com] Re: Chiming in again [Don Rowe ] Re: Hissed Off [Dflahm@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 10:39:37 +0100 From: "Laurent Olszer" Subject: First entry Greetings everybody from a new JMDler. I discovered Joni in 76 with Hejira and Strange Boy seemed to talk about me in those adolescent years. When Mingus came out I was heavily into jazz and had just met a personal friend of Mingus. I was high on love when WTRF came out. When I first heard Dog Eat Dog I had just received my first hard knocks from corporate america. Somehow there has been a link between the album that was just released and my emotional state of mind ever since Hejira. Am I crazy or does anybody else feel this way? Also, living in Paris I don't have any unofficial Joni to trade. However, I do have an EXTENSIVE collection of bootlegs (CDs+ NTSC videos + boots) from: Neil Young, CSN, Ry Cooder, Little Village, Jimi, Dead, Garcia, Stones, Dylan, etc. I'm sure I could please the serious collector of these artists. Looking to trade for all the Joni trees, + anything by Ry Cooder/Little Village, videos of John Martyn, Family, Kevin Eubanks. Finally, for all of you who can't get enough of Joni, check out Sara K. She's the more "Joni--like" artist I know. That's just her own style, she's not imitating Joni or being "influenced". She's got 3-4 albums out. Far behind there's the early Joan Armatrading. Amazing how many female singers have come out in recent years who are "Joni-influenced" to put it midly. Very few have the real substance behind the veneer in my opinion. Does anybody know of a Ry Cooder web site? PS: In France they do shave their armpits. However, In France they Piss on Main Street, I see it everyday. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 06:17:09 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: First entry oh lord!!!!!! so funny, laurent!!!!!!! welcome home! wallyK ''in france they piss on main street watersports, mamma not cheap display!'' - -----Mensaje original----- De: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]En nombre de Laurent Olszer Enviado el: Viernes, 11 de Mayo de 2001 06:40 a.m. Para: joni@smoe.org Asunto: First entry PS: In France they do shave their armpits. However, In France they Piss on Main Street, I see it everyday. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 08:09:35 EDT From: Jodcrazee@aol.com Subject: Going to California That song is supposedly about Joni. Jimmy Page mentions her as an inspiration. There is a lyric in the song that goes something to the effect of- "Someone told me there was a girl out there Who plays guitar and cries and sings" It has been a long time since I heard the song so don't quote me on the above lyrics ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 08:45:33 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: All hail to Yael!! << Here I go again... All I Want/Blue I'm sure that isn't it. But hey, why not. >> Why not indeed, Yael...especially when IT'S THE WINNING GUESS!! :~) The actual song I had chosen was "Blue Boy", and like Catherine said yesterday, nobody ever thinks about LOTC, so you were the closest one! Thanks to everybody that took a shot, look for another free raffle next month! Yael, let me know your address & Volume 17 is on its way. And don't worry, I WON'T give it out to Jonatha's bus driver! ;~) And if you didn't win but would like a copy of "Covers" Volume 17, lemme know and I'll hook you up. Or, if you want to contribute a track to a future volume and guarantee yourself a copy, lemme know that too & I can point you in the right direction, and you too can be a part of the greatest covers collection the world has ever seen! Bob NP: Lucinda, "He Never Got Enough Love" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 08:29:28 -0500 From: "J.David Sapp" Subject: TTT Mark in Seattle refering to TTT said: I agree completely and think it is a beautiful piece...and yes I hadn't thought of the Hejira similarity in mood...could somebody explain why they think it is a weak piece? peace, david ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 09:20:46 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2001 #212 -- LK influence << In Joni's case I don't think it is arrogant. Joni is one of the few people in the music business who has a complete vision of what she wants her records to sound like and knows how to get it.>> Arrogant was probably a poor word choice, although it has a bad connotation, I don't think it's necessarily a bad thing. I guess I'm just curious as to what a good producer could bring to her work, knowing that it would be less "hers" but still willing to take that risk. After all, her career has been nothing if not for being risk-taking! << Although the idea of Joni working with Daniel Lanois is intriguing, I hope she never does it. >> And I respect that, but after hearing her with Lanois' guitar on Blade's "Perceptual", with Brian & Jon Cowherd's "Lanois-ish" production, I'm dying to hear more! To me, a good producer is like a good chef, not altering the flavor but bringing it out more fully... << I want to hear whatever ideas she wants to present in whatever way she chooses to present them. I may not always go hog wild over them, but I will always listen with respect to what she has to say.>> Well sure, we'll all take whatever we can get, right? ;~) <> Like I said, I think TTT is a great record, but can I say that it could *not* have been any better? No, I think it could have been. And hey, I even LOVE lead balloon! ;~) Bob ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 09:28:46 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: First entry << Am I crazy or does anybody else feel this way? >> Hi Laurent, and welcome! Great post! To answer your question, probably all of related to Joni's songs either when they came out or they echoed in our brains at some point. And the best of them reveal new insights as we gain life experiences. Don't know about any Ry Cooder websites, but I think he's a great musician and very innovative. And if nobody on that side of the pond steps up and helps you with the Joni tree recordings, lemme know and I can hook you up from this side. (My motto, "Will work for Kirsch Batons"!!) ;~) Bob NP: Dan Hicks/Rickie Lee Jones, "I Scare Myself" (If you can sit still when this one's on, check your pulse!) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 07:28:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Don Rowe Subject: Re: Confessions and Joni's Best Albums - --- Catherine McKay wrote: > If I had heard Mingus when it first came out, I > wonder > what I would have thought? Probably exactly what the rest of Joni's audience thought at the time ... at least initially: "What in the hell is THIS?" ;-) And as long as we're in confession mode, I'll confess that "Mingus" is the only Joni album I still have only on vinyl, having preferred to drop coin on the S&L CD, since I like all the Mingus performances on it much better than the studio versions. I should also confess that my copy of "Mingus" is in pretty darned good shape ... oh boy! Don Rowe ===== Visit me anytime at http://www.mp3.com/donrowe Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 14:51:37 From: "c Karma" Subject: re: Border Crossings article/LK influence Well, I think we've been here before: "In our possessive coupling, So much could not be expressed. So now I'm returning to myself These things that you and I suppressed." Such is the downside of serial monogamy. That said, I'd prefer to think that Mitchell and Klein still have enough love and admiration for one another to continue to collaborate professionally, as demonstrated by BSN and its successful support tour. I would not interpret Joni's comments to be indicting Larry as an opportunistic autocrat. As many listers well know, a creative life is not an easy one, and relationships often suffer due to extreme pressures. In this regard, Joni has eloquently put down on canvas some good advice: "If you can't take the heat, get out of the kitchen." I have my own take on it, though: "If your hands don't get messy, the food won't taste good." CC "Then you got into funny scenes that all your work discloses." -- JM _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 15:49:38 From: "William Waddell" Subject: California Yael wrote, <<<<<< >California Dreamin' >Hotel California > >I know there are many more. If you can think of any, let me know!>>>> >>>>>>>>> "Going to California" - Led Zeppelin 4 (with a supposed Joni reference too, Jimmy Page being a HUGE Joni fan) Good to chat with you in the chat room the other night. Willy the Shake _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 13:02:28 -0400 From: farneddy@mindspring.com Subject: Chiming in again There has been a lot of debate about the "Best" Joni albums latley. I can not speak any great truth about who is "right" because there are different aspects of Joni's career which we ae drawn to as individuals. That being said,here are some of my opinions on the subject. Something that I find hard to comprehend is why it seems that I am "supposed to" find Blue her most brilliant album. Lyrically it is brilliant. Music wise, I find it to be one of her weaker albums. (keep in mind that these opinions are compared to JONI's other work, Blue is still miles ahead of anyone else's work). I just find it hard to understand why, particularly among casual fans and the media, Blue is put on a pedestal and worshiped, while (in my opinion) her masterpeice triad of C&S, HOSL and Hejira is virtually ignored by comparison. I like the older stuff lyrically, but to me she got much more musically interesting starting with C&S. DJRD and Mingus are both albums which I think have moments of genius, particularly the title track of DJRD, but both have songs I tend to want to skip over (Otis & Marlena). I am very sorry if this offends, but what the hell happened to Joni in the 80's? WTRF, DED and CMIARS are all 85% awful. The 3 90's albums were great. I consider TTT one of her best albums. I really like the sound of it, especially the experimentation with the VG8 guitar orchestra. I would like to hear more of that on future projects. So theres my $1 and 50 cents. My vote is for the mid-late 70's and 90's periods. Frederick ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 13:03:47 -0400 From: farneddy@mindspring.com Subject: Best of game My last post got me thinking. Who wants to play "Make your own best of Joni Mitchell" ? I would find it interesting to see what you would all come up with 2 CD set 15 songs per CD Here's mine: IT WAS VERY DIFFICULT TO NARROW IT DOWN !! Disc 1 (14 tracks) Conversation Blue River A Case of You Cold Blue Steel and Sweet Fire Help Me People's Parties Same Situation Car on a Hill Down to You Just Like This Train Trouble Child Rainy Night House (MOA Live) Cactus Tree (MOA Live) Disc 2 (16 tracks) In France They Kiss on Main Street Don't Interrupt the Sorrow The Hissing of Summer Lawns Harry's House/Centerpiece Coyote Amelia Hejira Black Crow Don Juan's Reckless Daughter Night Ride Home Sex Kills Turbulent Indigo Harlem In Havana Love Puts On A New Face The Crazy Cries Of Love Both Sides Now (Orchestral version ) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 11:12:34 -0600 From: "shane mattison" Subject: don juan's reckless daughter my greatest love of joni's music has to be don juan's reckless daughter... ...i think it was the perfect follow-up to the polish of hejira...it compliments it...somehow completes it...diving artistically into a swirl of cutting edge, risk, depth, adventure... ...it seems to me to be a place where everything goes right for joni...musicality, variety...it doesn't lean too much to pop and yet it isn't inaccessible... the originality is awesome...very distinctively 'her'...and fittingly it is the album where she gives a name for herself in the album title...a kind of creative signiture...as if she were saying 'this album is me'...she really isn't afraid to go anywhere in it...she is 'on a roll' you might say...she is shining, jaco is shining...the drummers are shining... i may love individual songs more sometimes elsewhere...but as they ask the guests on CKUA saturday mornings which they would take with them to a desert island...you know the answer for me... ...for what its worth... shane http://www.angelfire.com/art/cactussong ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 13:17:32 -0400 From: "blonde in the bleachers" Subject: Re: Going to California "Someone told me there was a girl out there with love in her eyes and flowers in her hair" >From: Jodcrazee@aol.com >Reply-To: Jodcrazee@aol.com >To: Coyote4Joni@aol.com >CC: joni@smoe.org >Subject: Going to California >Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 08:09:35 EDT > >That song is supposedly about Joni. Jimmy Page mentions her as an >inspiration. There is a lyric in the song that goes something to the >effect >of- > >"Someone told me there was a girl out there >Who plays guitar and cries and sings" > >It has been a long time since I heard the song so don't quote me on the >above >lyrics _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 13:21:46 EDT From: MDESTE1@aol.com Subject: Re: TTT (md) I just took a long drive on business and happened to take TTT with me so I was isolated and with a great car stereo so i gave it a real good fresh listen and actually repeated the listen on the return trip. While i could go through the entire album in detail suffice it to say that the only gripe i have with the album was she used the same sound on every song. The VG-8 works super on some, great on others but not all that great on a couple and it distracted me and made all the songs sound more alike than they needed to sound. I think Havana is a real tour de force and started me thinking about other such Joni "supernovas" production wise of which i would put Paprica Plains and some others in there but I also found myself thinking about the fact that one song would have been so much better with a piano as the major instrument and another with an acoustic guitar as opposed to the VG-8. I dont know why she limited her sound to the extent that she did but she definitely did. She al! so got (or tried to get) into so me very unusual timeing and meter grooves on some of the songs which whether intentional or not ended up maiing the songs sound very unique such as in Havana, Man from Mars, and Crazy Cries. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 13:24:44 -0400 From: "blonde in the bleachers" Subject: Re: Going to California(2) "Someone told me there was a girl out there with love in her eyes and flowers in her hair" to add: "To find a queen without a king; They say she plays guitar and cries and sings." out of lurkdom to talk about my all time favorite band!! Never knew this song was about Joni! Great minds think alike! From: Jodcrazee@aol.com >Reply-To: Jodcrazee@aol.com >To: Coyote4Joni@aol.com >CC: joni@smoe.org >Subject: Going to California >Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 08:09:35 EDT > >That song is supposedly about Joni. Jimmy Page mentions her as an >inspiration. There is a lyric in the song that goes something to the >effect >of- > >"Someone told me there was a girl out there >Who plays guitar and cries and sings" > >It has been a long time since I heard the song so don't quote me on the >above >lyrics _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 11:40:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Don Rowe Subject: Re: Chiming in again - - farneddy@mindspring.com wrote: > I am very sorry if this offends, but what the hell > happened to Joni in the 80's? WTRF, DED and CMIARS > are all 85% awful. No offense, but instead of saying "are all 85% awful", I at least, think you should say what you really mean: "Use synthesizers." Which brings me to a not-so-trivia question. Am I the only one who knows which was the first Joni song to employ a "true" synth in the arrangement? I'll give you a hint, it's NOT "The Chinese Cafe." ;-) Don Rowe ===== Visit me anytime at http://www.mp3.com/donrowe Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 14:48:44 EDT From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: Chiming in again In a message dated 5/11/01 2:47:19 PM Eastern Daylight Time, dgrowe227@yahoo.com writes: << Which brings me to a not-so-trivia question. Am I the only one who knows which was the first Joni song to employ a "true" synth in the arrangement? >> Without doing actual research, my off the top of my head guess is "Blonde in the Bleachers." Paul I ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 12:03:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Don Rowe Subject: Re: Chiming in again - --- IVPAUL42@aol.com wrote: > Without doing actual research, my off the top of my > head guess is "Blonde in > the Bleachers." Actually, the liner notes don't indicate individual instrumentation for that one, but my ear tells me that's a Hammond organ ... which at least to the purist ... wouldn't qualify as a "true" synthesizer. But I could be wrong! Don Rowe ===== Visit me anytime at http://www.mp3.com/donrowe Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 14:45:44 EDT From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: Going to California In a message dated 5/11/01 1:28:06 PM Eastern Daylight Time, blondeinthebleachers@hotmail.com writes: << "Someone told me there was a girl out there with love in her eyes and flowers in her hair" >> It's more than just that line. At the start of the third verse is: To find a queen without a king, They say she plays guitar and cries and sings... la la la Here are the full lyrics: Going To California (Page/Plant) Spent my days with a woman unkind, Smoked my stuff and drank all my wine. Made up my mind to make a new start, Going To California with an aching in my heart. Someone told me there's a girl out there with love in her eyes and flowers in her hair. Took my chances on a big jet plane, never let them tell you that they're all the same. The sea was red and the sky was grey, wondered how tomorrow could ever follow today. The mountains and the canyons started to tremble and shake as the children of the sun began to awake. Seems that the wrath of the Gods Got a punch on the nose and it started to flow; I think I might be sinking. Throw me a line if I reach it in time I'll meet you up there where the path Runs straight and high. To find a queen without a king, They say she plays guitar and cries and sings... la la la Ride a white mare in the footsteps of dawn Tryin' to find a woman who's never, never, never been born. Standing on a hill in my mountain of dreams, Telling myself it's not as hard, hard, hard as it seems. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 21:11:34 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: Chiming in again could it be Shadows and Light from THOSL? Don Rowe wrote: > - farneddy@mindspring.com wrote: > > > I am very sorry if this offends, but what the hell > > happened to Joni in the 80's? WTRF, DED and CMIARS > > are all 85% awful. > > No offense, but instead of saying "are all 85% awful", > I at least, think you should say what you really mean: > > "Use synthesizers." > > Which brings me to a not-so-trivia question. Am I the > only one who knows which was the first Joni song to > employ a "true" synth in the arrangement? > > I'll give you a hint, it's NOT "The Chinese Cafe." ;-) > > Don Rowe > > ===== > Visit me anytime at http://www.mp3.com/donrowe > Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices > http://auctions.yahoo.com/ - -- bw colin BRO GC, 950i 940,864, 260, 890,Silver 830 and 270, Passap 6000 Duo80 colin@tantra.fsbusiness.co.uk http://www.geocities.com/tantra_apso/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 13:11:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Don Rowe Subject: Re: Chiming in again - --- catman wrote: > could it be Shadows and Light from THOSL? Nope, but you couldn't be any closer! ;-) Don Rowe ===== Visit me anytime at http://www.mp3.com/donrowe Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 16:29:49 EDT From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: Chiming in again In a message dated 5/11/01 2:52:02 PM Eastern Daylight Time, dgrowe227@yahoo.com writes: > Am I the > only one who knows which was the first Joni song to > employ a "true" synth in the arrangement? > > The Jungle Line rosemjoy@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 13:33:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Don Rowe Subject: Re: Chiming in again - --- RoseMJoy@aol.com wrote: > > Am I the > > only one who knows which was the first Joni song > to > > employ a "true" synth in the arrangement? > > > > > > The Jungle Line > DING!-DING!-DING!-DING! Congratulations! Rose wins the run "For The Roses" ... oops! ... make that the run for "The Hissing Of Summer Lawns"! ;-) Don Rowe ===== Visit me anytime at http://www.mp3.com/donrowe Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 17:12:05 EDT From: BachelorNumero2@aol.com Subject: Hissed Off after reading all the various posts about fav Joni albums (the masterpieces and the non-masterpieces).......I started to feel a little outcast. I did relate to the "I don't care for Joni's 80's period"............LOL I guess I'm one of the few worshippers who don't belong in the BLUE or HEJIRA category. I love both albums of course......My personal favorite is THE HISSING OF SUMMER LAWNS..........I love it for so many different reasons..........probably because I'm a filmmaker and the songs are so cinematic for me in both their sonics and their lyrics..........I admit that most of the album took a little while to grow on me, I'd like to find someone who could jump right in on that album after one listen!!!!!!! I think that "HISSING" is her most ambitious album by far.........I'm not saying it's her "masterpiece", because she has several of those.......I just think she broke the most new ground on "HISSING" than on any other record, "DON JUAN" comes close, but not quite. I notice that Joni doesn't perform the HISSING material hardly at all.........with the exception of the interviews she has spent talking about the horrible treatment the album got from reviews by the critics, she hasn't really discussed the individual songs, etc.........and I've noticed that the Articles section in the JMDL is spare from the "HISSING" period........ Desperately looking for more "HISSING" material to bite on...........(I do have the demos of course......)..............and how did those come to see the light of day??? I never did ask.. later PHIL ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 16:25:06 -0500 From: cvickery@danielrealty.com Subject: Re: Hissed Off ok... that's it. i'm starting to get a complex! i just don't LOVE HOSL. i've listened to it fifty-leven times in the last month, trying trying trying again. i hear here again and again what a masterpiece it is... but the only song that doesn't leave me cold is "The Jungle Line." what am i missing? what should i be listening for? or do i just need to cue up for another fifty-leven listenings? cindy, preparing myself for the penance sure to be forthcoming for THIS confession ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 23:37:05 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: Hissed Off > My personal favorite is THE HISSING OF SUMMER > LAWNS..........I love it for so many different reasons.......... I dont know which is my favourite but I love THOSL. It was my first Joni album. It is one of those I listen to most along with NRH, TI, DED and STAS. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 23:37:56 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: Chiming in again The Jundle Line? Don Rowe wrote: > --- catman wrote: > > > could it be Shadows and Light from THOSL? > > Nope, but you couldn't be any closer! ;-) > > Don Rowe > > ===== > Visit me anytime at http://www.mp3.com/donrowe > Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices > http://auctions.yahoo.com/ - -- bw colin BRO GC, 950i 940,864, 260, 890,Silver 830 and 270, Passap 6000 Duo80 colin@tantra.fsbusiness.co.uk http://www.geocities.com/tantra_apso/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 23:39:17 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: Hissed Off > but the only song that > doesn't leave me cold is "The Jungle Line." Oh dear you are in BIG trouble now! Most people seem to HATE this song. It was the song that truend me on to Joni in the first place tho. I loved in forst listen on the radio when i was 16. > > what am i missing? what should i be listening for? > or do i just need to cue up for another fifty-leven listenings? > > cindy, preparing myself for the penance sure to be forthcoming for THIS > confession - -- bw colin BRO GC, 950i 940,864, 260, 890,Silver 830 and 270, Passap 6000 Duo80 colin@tantra.fsbusiness.co.uk http://www.geocities.com/tantra_apso/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 18:41:32 -0400 From: "Deb Messling" Subject: RE: Hissed Off > -----Original Message----- > From: BachelorNumero2@aol.com > I admit that most of the album took a little while to grow on me, I'd like to find someone who vcould jump right in on that album after one listen!!!!!!! Me, me, me! I loved HOSL on the very first listen, which was fragmented when I heard most of the songs on the radio the weekend before it was released in stores. HOSL and C&S are the only two Joni albums that didn't take me any time to warm up to. I loved the experimentation of The Jungle Line and Shadows and Light. I loved all the melodies. I found the lyrics intriguing, esp. The Jungle Line and Don't Interrupt the Sorrow. I couldn't understand the people who were pissed that Joni wasn't being "confessional." Now, many years later, I hear some things that could have been different. The instrumentation on a couple of cuts was a tad conventional for Joni. In France, Edith, the title track sound very "70ish" to me, very Tom Scott Larry Carlton. Not that there's anything wrong with that, but most of Joni doesn't sound rooted in any time period. All in all, though, still one of my favorite Joni works, and I'm glad it's been critically rehabilitated. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 19:16:33 EDT From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: Hissed Off In a message dated 5/11/01 5:24:22 PM Eastern Daylight Time, BachelorNumero2@aol.com writes: > ...........(I do > have the demos of course......)..............and how did those come to see > the light of day??? I never did ask.. > > I don't know how it came yo see the light of day Phil, but I have the artwork/insert that came with the CD and I think we have some folks to be thankful to. The insert read: Digitally restored and remastered 1990 for the sole purpose of historic preservation by Carter Smolik (don't know him), using SoundForge 4.5 Many thanks to Les Irvin and Michael Paz for the source material, Larry O for software support. Oh and... produced by Don Rowe. Thank you, thank you I love these hissing demos and other assorted blades of grass... I haven't been able to remove it from my CD changer for quite some time now. Rose in NJ rosemjoy@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 18:17:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Don Rowe Subject: Re: Chiming in again - --- catman wrote: > The Jundle Line? Yep! Album liner notes credit Joni on "Moog", one of the at the time "newest" and certainly "truly" synthesizers. Probably responsible for that Da-Yoo-EEE-Yoop sound in back of the Burundi drummers. Don Rowe ===== Visit me anytime at http://www.mp3.com/donrowe Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 23:26:35 EDT From: Dflahm@aol.com Subject: Re: Hissed Off THOSL is a great album, but its impact may be compromised by the fact that some of material (S & L and In France...maybe others) were redone on the SHADOWS & LIGHT live set and, imo, to much greater effect. DAVID LAHM ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2001 #148 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she?