From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2001 #142 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Sunday, May 6 2001 Volume 2001 : Number 142 The 'Official' Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. Information on the 4th "Annual" New England JoniFest: http://www.jmdl.com/jfne2001.cfm The Joni Chat Room: http://www.jmdl.com/chat.cfm ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- graciela jonas sjc ["Wally Kairuz" ] Re: Memorial Day [Dflahm@aol.com] The Big Debate [Mitch327@aol.com] Re: The Big Debate [Coyote4Joni@aol.com] Re: The Big Debate ["Kakki" ] Joni Mitchell concerts chronology - one more call ["Mauro Regis" ] Re: He Blinded Her With Science? [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: How to wash a cat [md] [MDESTE1@aol.com] Re: The Big Debate ["Mark or Travis" ] Re: The Big Debate [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: The Big Debate ["Mark or Travis" ] Live performances [Patti Haskins ] Re: Live performances [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Covers - I am 16, going on 17!! [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Win Your FREE copy of Volume 17!! [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] L.A. Party with Marian - May 24th ["Kakki" ] Re: Covers - I am 16, going on 17!! [Scott and Jody ] Re: Jonifest update: the list!!! [Gertus@aol.com] top 10 Joni Songs [evian ] Shame on the list. [Richard Rice ] RE: He Blinded Her With Science? ["Wally Kairuz" Subject: graciela jonas sjc well, i've looked it up, and grace jones seems to have made into the music scene in 1977. she was a fashion model of some fame in europe before that but still not the media phenomenon she became in the 80's. joni might have met her in europe, but i somehow doubt that jones could be the grace in P's P. but then, as randy remote says, what do i know????? wallyK ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 May 2001 04:34:14 EDT From: Dflahm@aol.com Subject: Re: Memorial Day My mistake! Sorry. Of course "and Rose." ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 May 2001 04:38:48 EDT From: Mitch327@aol.com Subject: The Big Debate All, First, I'm sure we all agree on one thing, "There is Joni, and then there is everyone else." I personally prefer her work up to 79. I refer to the 80's as "The Klein Years." Does anyone else notice that as soon as she hooks up with this guy it all goes downhill? Mitch NP - Sammy Hagar Sings Joni Mitchell (Produced by Larry Klein). ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 May 2001 04:55:35 EDT From: Coyote4Joni@aol.com Subject: Re: The Big Debate In a message dated 5/5/01 1:46:52 AM Pacific Daylight Time, Mitch327@aol.com writes: Mitch writes: "The Klein Years." Does anyone else notice that as soon as she hooks up with this guy it all goes downhill? Coyote Rick, an admitted DED major fan, exclaims: Oh, my Lord! And just as we were all getting along so well. Heck, let the opinions fly! Coyote Rick (exhausted) Casa Alegre Hollywood, California ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 May 2001 01:45:52 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: The Big Debate Mitch wrote: > First, I'm sure we all agree on one thing, "There is Joni, and then there is > everyone else." I personally prefer her work up to 79. I refer to the 80's > as "The Klein Years." Does anyone else notice that as soon as she hooks up > with this guy it all goes downhill? Umm., well, umm, since some of us are being so honest.....but I don't want to start any flames or offend our own Don Rowe Klein or some of my friends here who love the 80s Joni ....but, umm... well, o.k., just my totally subjective opinion as an old crusty Joni fan, I didn't like what I saw as the Klein influence, either. However, I think my problem is with the music/production - the lyrics are still absolutely brilliant. I did feel, as do many, that she returned to her true, unadulterated essence with Night Ride Home in '91. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 May 2001 12:39:31 +0200 From: "Mauro Regis" Subject: Joni Mitchell concerts chronology - one more call I'm working on a Joni Mitchell concerts chronology. My attempt is to track down a list of all the shows she performed, as main artist, or guest. If anyone from the list may help, I'd be very grateful. I'm mainly looking for dates from early days to 1990. No need of data for 1998 & 2000 tours that were widely and perfectly reported in Joni Mitchell Homepage. Contributions for attenders of the shows are very welcome. If you wish contributing, send (if known): a.. date (if possible day/month/year) b.. city and venue c.. track list (or performed known tracks) d.. band members (if there was a band, of course) e.. any guest that joined Joni (or that Joni joined, if it was other artist's show) and the song(s) that were played together f.. if a recording exists Anyone out there can point me to an e-mail address where I may get complete concerts lists from 70's and 80's tours ? Thanks to you all in advance. Mauro Regis from Verona, Italia e-mail me privately Mauro Regis ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 May 2001 12:11:13 +0100 From: philipf@tinet.ie Subject: Re: The Big Debate With all due respect to Don/Larry's role I think her 80's trilogy (Wild Things/Dog/Chalkmark) sounds exactly the way she wanted it to sound. No producer is going to unduly influence such a strong willed artist. In the NME interview about DED she talked having to explain to Dolby who was boss when he strayed too far from his brief. One of the things I like about her is that unlike a lot of artist's with long careers she dosen't disown certain albums or periods. I just hate it when bands make excuses like "we were stuck with this awful producer" or "the tambourine player's parrot was suffering from depression." have a good weekend y'all. Philip NP Avalanches lp ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 May 2001 08:36:38 EDT From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: The Big Debate In a message dated 5/5/01 7:15:29 AM Eastern Daylight Time, philipf@tinet.ie writes: << One of the things I like about her is that unlike a lot of artist's with long careers she dosen't disown certain albums or periods. I just hate it when bands make excuses like "we were stuck with this awful producer" or "the tambourine player's parrot was suffering from depression." >> What would you call saying that she had too much helium in her voice? Comes pretty close to disowning or divorce, if you ask me. Paul I ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 May 2001 08:56:35 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: The Big Debate << With all due respect to Don/Larry's role I think her 80's trilogy (Wild Things/Dog/Chalkmark) sounds exactly the way she wanted it to sound. >> She's been quoted as saying that she feels the DED was not HER project. Klein collaborated with her on some of the songs, which was pretty unprecedented, and he & Dolby introduced lots of synthsized effects that she would not have chosen on her own. That being said, I've ALWAYS liked WTRF...Mingus was too "out there" when it was released (although I can appreciate it now), and I thought she re-grounded herself with WTRF. Certainly not without its flaws, but a solid effort nonetheless. DED is also a nice time-piece, and is sonically solid, even if some of the songs aren't up to Joni's usual standard, some are, they were just produced badly. ChalkMark is definitely the Weakest link as far as I'm concerned, with Joni stylistically all over the place, and releasing some songs that never should have seen the light of day. Although it's funny...had she decided NOT to release the dreadful "Dancing Clown", and the JMDL had the recording on a tree somewhere, it would be a revered rarity! ;~) The only redeeming feature of Dancin Clown is watching her video of it...seeing her dancing with her apathetic cat is guaranteed to induce an ear-to-ear grin! Bob NP: Shawn, "Pack Up Your Sorrows" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 May 2001 10:22:18 EDT From: Bobsart48@aol.com Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2001 #207 Les. I have been lurking on and off for last month or two. Would like to post a response and some info. I remember reading about 'how to'' but do not remember the guide and what rules to remember following - would you please direct me to site ? Thanks, and best regards. Bob S. PS - I have downloaded enough songs from the Tab section to keep me busy for the rest of the decade, I think. This is a great site. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 05 May 2001 17:20:22 -0700 From: Jan Lumholdt Subject: He Blinded Her With Science? Bob wrote: << She's been quoted as saying that she feels the DED was not HER project. Klein collaborated with her on some of the songs, which was pretty unprecedented, and he & Dolby introduced lots of synthsized effects that she would not have chosen on her own. >> << DED is also a nice time-piece, and is sonically solid, even if some of the songs aren't up to Joni's usual standard, some are, they were just produced badly. >> Hi again from Stockholm, music lovers. "Avoid Dolby at any cost", a reviewer (who's name slips my mind and who was wrong) wrote in 1980 when Joan Armatrading did an album called Walk under Ladders on which a certain Thomas Dolby Robertson, esq. had a part. There has been some food for that thought due to reported difficulties attributed to Dolby in relation to DED, with or without fairness. In 1985, Dolby was one of the hipster-dufus-"wunderkind" (take your pick) producers - with a couple of intriguing albums under his wing, a US top hit (She Blinded Me With Science) and an outstanding production called Two Wheels Good/Steve McQueen (different names in US and EU, due to some name dispute in the US) with British band Prefab Sprout (find it!). He was a revered force for some of us who relished in his freshness and total disregard of the contemporary dreariness of the times with everyone dressing up in Max Max gear and going stupid electronic (blip, blip, schmuck, schmuck). Dolby was intelligent electronic, his sounds BREATHED and his songs were like little movies. Very atmospheric. Just like Joni. I still remember entering the record store in the fall of '85 and finding DED on the News wall. Eagerly picking it up and seing the name Dolby on the cover I though that maybe there is a divine plan (and that God mustn't always a boogie man) after all, for here were two of my favourite musicians who I'd never thought would work together, but here they do and all of a sudden it felt the perfectly natural thing for them to do. I grabbed it, (together with an other new release-cum-masterpiece called Slave to the Rhythm with Grace Jones who isn't scary but very nice and cool but who was at the time going out with a Swede called Dolph Lundgren who became a very bad actor and it's all you Americans fault because you keep giving him parts) and ran home to my turntable. At that time, I was in total awe. But the result could have been better. Revisiting it today, I'm surprised of its too electro-sounding production, being much more so than previous Dolby efforts. Had they had a similar approach to it as the Prefab Sprout album or even some of Dolby's solo work, I think it would have sound better today. Still there are some wonderful tracks on it, like Good Friends, Impossible Dreamer, Shiny Toys and Tax Free (with that great ham performance by Rod Steiger and the most tasteful "f**k it!" in the history of arts and entertainments as we know it). Dolby had some hard times after DED. Besides having the bad taste to involve himself in a movie called Howard the Duck, he also got sued by the Dolby noise reduction company. And he got a somewhat bad rep after the DED experience. Exactly what went on in the studio at the time, I of course don't know. I can only conclude that Chalkmark has some of the same "characteristics" as DED, with Dolby on only one track (he seems to have been invited back, after all?) and that these albums shows Joni giving a go at the most sophisticated of electronic sounds of that era, when they had some breathtaking synthezisers like the Fairlight CMI, also used by other great maverick contemporaries such as Peter Gabriel and Kate Bush. I think Joni proved herself one of those great mavericks once more. I also like the fact that The-Artist-who-gave-us-that-wonderful-Help-Me-quote-on-a-song-called-The-Bal lad-of-Dorothy-Parker, (at that time simply known as Prince), a great fan of both Joni and Dolby at the time, approached the latter at a party and told him that he still believed in him. So do I. I think that this British enfant terrible is somewhat misjudged and deserves some redemption. Hence this lengthy post. By the way, is it true that Prince and Joni did some songs together in the eighties? Ill be back one day, to defend Mingus. Cheers from Jan NP: Thomas Dolby, Budapest by Blimp ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 May 2001 11:54:44 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: He Blinded Her With Science? << By the way, is it true that Prince and Joni did some songs together in the eighties? >> Never heard that one, Jan...I know that Prince has WANTED to collaborate with her, has sent her some songs which she's turned down, but I don't think they've ever worked together. Joni did use Wendy & Lisa on CMIARS...and Prince did "A Case of You" live in 1983, has never officially released it, but it's available... Thanks for all the insight on Dolby - very interesting! Bob ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 May 2001 12:48:25 EDT From: MDESTE1@aol.com Subject: Re: How to wash a cat [md] In a message dated 5/4/01 4:52:32 PM Pacific Daylight Time, jlamadoo@home.com writes: << This "Deste" character must be stopped. >> You cant hope to "stop" the Deste character. You can only hope to contain him/her/it. regards. the deste character .....cleaning his cat. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 May 2001 09:48:16 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: The Big Debate > << With all due respect to Don/Larry's role I think her 80's trilogy (Wild > Things/Dog/Chalkmark) sounds exactly the way she wanted it to sound. >> > > She's been quoted as saying that she feels the DED was not HER project. Klein > collaborated with her on some of the songs, which was pretty unprecedented, > and he & Dolby introduced lots of synthsized effects that she would not have > chosen on her own. Ah yes, the great 80s debate. Was it Joni? Was it Klein? Was it Dolby? Was it just the 80s themselves? Was it Memorex? I've never been able to make up my mind but I will say that 80s Joni are my least favorite. I still don't think that makes the records necessarily bad or inferior and I still maintain that the production & sound of DED are entirely appropriate to the overall themes & subject matter. I just like the 90s better. > > ChalkMark is definitely the Weakest link as far as I'm concerned, with Joni > stylistically all over the place, and releasing some songs that never should > have seen the light of day. Chalk Mark has an odd place in Joni's catalogue, imo. To me, it sounds 'more like Joni' than DED. It's more melodic & less harsh sounding. It also has a couple of real gems on it. 'The Beat of Black Wings' is one of her most powerful songs, imo. I'm also very fond of 'The Tea Leaf Prophecy' and 'Snakes & Ladders' has a rhythm and cadence to it that I really enjoy. But overall the record seems a bit top-heavy to me. I guess I feel like Joni had gotten rid of Dolby's influence on CMIARS and she was trying to assimilate the synthesizers into her own unique sound. With Night Ride Home she finally learned how to use those sounds sparingly to add shading and mood. > > Although it's funny...had she decided NOT to release the dreadful "Dancing > Clown", and the JMDL had the recording on a tree somewhere, it would be a > revered rarity! ;~) > > The only redeeming feature of Dancin Clown is watching her video of > it...seeing her dancing with her apathetic cat is guaranteed to induce an > ear-to-ear grin! Be careful what you say, Bob! Things can easily be misconstrued. At some remote date in the future, some relative or friend may be trolling through the JMDL archives, looking for ideas to use in your eulogy. They may skim through & see your frequent mentions of Dancin' Clown and decide it was your favorite song & the perfect thing to play during your memorial service! Morbidly yours, Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 May 2001 12:57:45 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: The Big Debate << 'The Beat of Black Wings' is one of her most powerful songs, imo. >> Amen & Amen! I feel like she had that song germinating in her head for awhile and just brought it to fruition...she had the demons of Killer Kyle chasing her for a long time. I also think Ethiopia is great and emotionally very powerful... << Be careful what you say, Bob! >> After 3+ years, why should I start now? ;~) <> LOL! Well, the title would certainly be appropriate, especially if they've ever seen me dance! And it might be enough to wake me from the dead and holler 'turn that sh*t off!!' :~D Bob NP: Shawn, "Love has no pride" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 May 2001 10:07:29 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: The Big Debate > LOL! Well, the title would certainly be appropriate, especially if they've > ever seen me dance! And it might be enough to wake me from the dead and > holler 'turn that sh*t off!!' :~D > ROTFLMAO! I'm still chuckling at this, Bob! Thanks for the laugh! Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 05 May 2001 13:39:16 -0500 From: Patti Haskins Subject: Live performances Howdy all, Patti in Dallas here out of the lurking mode to ask, does anyone know anything about Joni performing at Club 47 January 10, 1968? I have mp3s of the show from a radio broadcast, great quality, lots of charming stories between songs. Any info? Thanks ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 May 2001 15:15:01 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Live performances << does anyone know anything about Joni performing at Club 47 January 10, 1968? >> Hi Patti! Long time no hear! This is a well-travelled bootleg that goes by many names, "By the Banks of the River Charles" among them. The info I have is that it was a show from the Club 47 in Cambridge, MA, the date I show is January 4, 1968. It may be a combination of a couple different shows. The setlist on the recording I have is: 1. Cactus Tree 2. Night In The City 3. The Gift of the Magi 4. I Had a King 5. Morning Morgantown 6. Ballerina Valerie 7. Song to a Seagull 8. Both Sides Now 9. Conversation 10. Come to the Sunshine 11. Chelsea Morning 12. The Pirates of Penance 13. The Way It Is 14. The Dawntreader Like you say, the quality of the recording is very good. It makes for a fine CD, and even if it IS a combo of different shows, it gives you a real good feel of what those early club sets were like. If you want a dub of it, lemme know! I'm sure I can talk my burner into taking ONE MORE disc! ;~) Bob NP: "Barangrill" from Troubadour '72 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 May 2001 15:58:58 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Covers - I am 16, going on 17!! Well, it's another month, so it's time to unveil another CD's worth of Joni cover songs in the never-ending series! Far from scraping the bottom of the barrel, I am proud to announce Covers & Contributions, Volume 17... A big round of applause to our contributors: Stephen E (in NYC) Kakki Jody Steve Polifka Cassy Steve Goldberger & Me Here's the lineup- 1. Peggy Chew - Chelsea Morning 2. Peggy Chew - The Dry Cleaner From Des Moines As promised, here's the balance of the Peggy Chew songs. She's got a great band and gives these songs a nice airy jazzy treatment. 3. Nat Raider - Both Sides Now Maybe some of you Canadians know more about this guy, he appears to be sort of the Guy Lombardo of Canada. He plays the trumpet on this instrumental version. 4. Jack Donahue - Little Green This one is awesome! Incredibly beautiful harmonies and very moving. Jack is a NY cabaret singer and really gives this song a nice treatment. One of the best in the collection imo! 5. Del Beazley - Big Yellow Taxi This one's a lot of fun! You'll recall that Del is a Hawaiian singer and musician, and has some fun with the words, changing apples to papayas and giving the song a real "island" flavor. 6. The Care Package - Woodstock This quasi-instrumental version (a chorus sings the chorus only) is interesting, dated but there's still some cool stuff going on. 7. Phyllis Newman - Both Sides Now Pretty straightforward version, done respectfully by the Broadway star who has also performed with our own Jerry Notaro and who frequents the same gym as Stephen! Small world indeed! 8. Steve Goldberger & The Fringe Locals - You Turn Me On, I'm A Radio (whew! THAT was a mouthful!) Steve's a great guy - his CD is available on Amazon and it's a lot of fun, really makes you feel like you're listening to a top notch band in a small club. Steve donated his CD to the cause, which is always cool. Check out the keyboard solo on this one, it reminds me of Roy Bittan (E Streeter). 9. Andy Summers - Goodbye Pork Pie Hat Ex-Police guitarist, he's actually performed live with Joni and they are mutual admirers. Here's a clean jazz-guitar version of the Mingus melody. 10. Bill Soden - Urge For Going Don't know anything about ol' Bill, I don't guess he had much of a career, but he did make this 45, most likely inspired by Tom Rush. A couple of crackles on the audio here, but when it comes to these out-of-print rarities, sometimes you have to take what you can get. 11. Orlando - Both Sides Now This is the one I raved about, an emotionally-charged version by a local Chicago artist who also plays the harp on this 1970 recording. Maybe some will find it cheesy, but I was very moved by the pacing of the vocal and the harp work. 12. Kind of Like Spitting - The Last Time I Saw Richard I was afraid this one would be very weird, but on the contrary it's very nice and has an interesting guitar arrangement. I'm sure you guitarists out there will be intrigued by the minimalist approach the guitarist takes. 13. Steve Polifka - Man From Mars Those of us that have heard Steve's original material as well as his cover material can attest to his great talents. He does not disappoint here, and I'm grateful to him for sharing this recording with me. MFM may end up being a well-covered song before it's all said and done, and we can say that Steve was a man ahead of his time! 14. The Collection - Both Sides Now Another fun pop version of the song, a very rare and hard to get recording so a big thanks to Cassy for stepping up! 15. Monica Guareschi Group - Woodstock OK, here we have an Italian band that does covers of classic 70's rock songs. I LOVED the entire record! They play Woodstock with a "Stairway to Heaven" arrangement. It totally rocks in my book. Sounds like The Scorpions... 16. Laura - The Circle Game Long before she was a coupon queen, perhaps she was a recording star?! I don't know if this IS in fact our Laura, there was nothing I could find out about this 45. Maybe it is, maybe it isn't. Only Laura knows! 17. Kim Weston - Both Sides Now If you think you haven't heard of Kim Weston, you have. She duetted with Marvin Gaye on "It Takes Two" and had some other soul hits in the 60's. This take isn't as soulful as I'd like, but it does have some unique arrangements to it. 18. Genevieve Paris - Woodstock Another curious recording, very stark and dark early 70's recording by a Candian pianist/vocalist. Every other song on her LP was in French except this one. There you have it - Volume 17 in all of its glory. Those of you who have to have it, you know what to do. If you do want a CD copy of this or any of the Covers Volumes, let me know and I'll give you all the details. You'd be surprised - listening to others interpreting Joni's work can be very insightful... Bob NP: Joni, "Carey" (always nice to hear the master doing her tunes too!) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 May 2001 16:14:14 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Win Your FREE copy of Volume 17!! Since so many of you tell me how much you enjoy trying to win, I'm continuing on with the Lotto, BUT this time 'round it's a little different. I'm going to "Joni-fy" the contest by asking for a Joni song/album. Whoever comes the closest wins! For instance, you would guess: Both Sides Now/Clouds (as an example) The album title is needed as she has the same song on a couple different records. Please note that song titles she has not put on an album (ie Hunter, Mr. Blue, Just Like Me, etc.) will not be eligible. You can certainly guess them, but it would be silly of you to do so unless you want to play but don't want to win... I'll shut down the guessing at Thursday midnight. Bob ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 May 2001 14:22:35 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: L.A. Party with Marian - May 24th Sorry not to mark this NJC but I wanted this message to reach the Joni-onlies, too. Marian Russell from Austria is coming to SoCal at the end of May and the L.A. jmdlers are getting together with her for dinner in Hollywood and a music jam afterward. As many of you know, Marian is truly one of the leading interpreters of Joni's songs in their original tunings and has a website connected with the JMDL of many of the "true Joni" tunings. It is a rare treat to hear her play and sing and I'm very excited that she will be visiting us. She also has a reputation for plying us with incredible chocolates at the Jonifests ;-) We are getting together the evening of Thursday, May 24th. There's a chance that another surprise international jmdler may also be joining us then - (crossing my fingers ;-). If anyone in the SoCal area wants to join us, please let me know and I will give you more details. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 05 May 2001 16:41:43 -0500 From: Scott and Jody Subject: Re: Covers - I am 16, going on 17!! > Well, it's another month, so it's time to unveil another CD's worth of Joni > cover songs in the never-ending series! > Just as I was reading this, our mail was delivered. Thanks Bob!!! I can't wait to hear Steve P's cover of 'Man From Mars'! NP- Peggy Chew. Probably by the time I type this, I'll be listening to Steve. > 16. Laura - The Circle Game > Long before she was a coupon queen, perhaps she was a recording star?! > LOL!! She might have been. Laura did grow up in a show biz family. Although, I'd bet if we searched the Tom Waits Covers archives, we'd find her rendition of 'Step Right Up' - " Everyone's a winner, step right up......Bargains, Bargains Galore....Only a Dollar....It filets, chops and dices....Lasts a lifetime.....It mows your lawn...Picks up the kids from school. Forges your signiture.....Step right up".........Etc. Etc. :~D (Lyrics not necessarily in that order) Thanks again Bob and to all that have been contributing to all the Covers!!!! jody ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 05 May 2001 17:04:48 -0500 From: Scott and Jody Subject: Re: A Work in Progress - finished at last Mark, Great Piece!! I woke up at 6:30 am and started reading. I couldn't stop to make a pot of coffee. That's something that never happens in our house! trust me, jody ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 May 2001 18:09:08 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Covers - I am 16, going on 17!! << Laura did grow up in a show biz family. >> Oooh...the plot thickens! Laura, shrouded woman of mystery! :~D And in a funny little bit o' synchronicity, I just got through listening to the Violent Femmes version of "Step Right Up"...I don't think Laura is much of a Violent Femme though! Bob NP: Joni, "Crazy Cries of Love" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 05 May 2001 15:26:41 -0700 From: Catherine Udall Turley Subject: Shawn rarity with Joni content If you have heard Shawn Colvin's Cover of "River" on her 1998 Christmas radio broadcast (also available on our Bob's Covers Volume 13) , you might recall that she she introduces the song by saying: "I used to play this song a lot. A lot a lot a lot a lot a lot. But its been awhile, since I had to quit playing this woman's songs in order to learn to write some of my own." An interesting comment which explains why even though its pretty apparent that Shawn lionizes Joni, there are very few Joni tunes in her fairly large repertoire of cover songs. (And how easy it is to get lost in the Power of Joan). However, I recently got a hold of a recording of Shawn from a point when she was still playing Joni. Its a very, very good quality recording of a college radio broadcast from 1975/76 from Carbondale, Illinois, when Shawn was all of 20 or 21 years old. There are three Joni covers on it--"Urge for Going," and two takes of "Conversation." These have already been entrusted to Covermaster Bob, and will appear on a future covers volume down the road this summer, so if you are interested and want to get hold of them that way, they are in the pipeline. This recording has formerly been for sale on eBay (though supposedly won't be any more) and a few tracks have shown up on Napster here and there--so its out there, but still fairly rare, I think. If any of the Shawn fans on the list are interested in getting a copy of the complete recording on CD, I will save you the eBay gouge and the Napster ethical dilemma by offering it to the list at large for blanks and postage or cash for costs. If there is enough interest, a couple of kind jmdlers have offered to help burn copies for a proper CD tree. Here's what you'll get: 1. Suzanne 2. Daddy You've Been on My M ind 3. Urge for Going 4. Sailboat 5. Pack Up Your Sorrows 6. Can't Find My Way Home 7. Like He Said 8. Conversation (take 1) 9. Conversation (take 2) 10. Something Fine 11. Carolina in My Mind 12. Whenever (Acoustic take 1) 13. Whenever (acoustic take 2) 14. Whenever (with band) 15. Love Has No Pride (with band) 16. You Back to Me (with band) 17. Dance (a reggae number with band) If you're a Shawn fan, its really worth getting--great sound, and an amazing glimpse of the artist as a young woman. Her voice sounds rather different -- a little deeper (she hadn't given up cigarettes yet)-- but you get many flashes of the Shawn to come, in the vocals and the already accomplished guitar playing. So, if you're interested, please reply to me privately, and we'll get the ball rolling, Catherine T., on the rainy banks of Forbes Creek ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 May 2001 15:43:41 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Shawn rarity with Joni content Catherine, I'm so glad you mentioned this - I also just received a copy from a friend (thanks Scott!) and was totally blown away by it. On the short list of one of the best live CDs I've ever heard. I didn't even focus that she was so young at the time. There are some magnificent songs in the line up. I thought she sounded a lot like the best of the early Joni and on Conversation, she reminds me so much of jmdler Claudia Sans Soucie (who many of us feel does the song better than Joni herself). I've always liked Shawn's music but have not been as much of a fan as some others here. However, my appreciation of her has definitely gone way up the chart after hearing this recording. I feel so strongly about this CD, that I'd also like to offer to burn some copies for blanks and postage if you need some assistance. Kakki NP: Shawn Colvin - Can't Find My Way Home (ahhhh, one of my all-time favorites songs -stunning!) > However, I recently got a hold of a recording of Shawn from a point when > she was still playing Joni. Its a very, very good quality recording of > a college radio broadcast from 1975/76 from Carbondale, Illinois, when > Shawn was all of 20 or 21 years old. There are three Joni covers on > it--"Urge for Going," and two takes of "Conversation." These have > already been entrusted to Covermaster Bob, and will appear on a future > covers volume down the road this summer, so if you are interested and > want to get hold of them that way, they are in the pipeline. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 May 2001 19:46:28 EDT From: Gertus@aol.com Subject: Re: Jonifest update: the list!!! This is from Ashara's list:- > **Maybes** Azeem from England Les Ross from England Here's my advice guys :- If you can possibly afford the time and money without seriously jeopardising your state of health then GO! Not that I've been to a New England Jonifest, you understand, but I've stayed at Ashara's house/ Joni shrine and, believe me you will never regret going. If you're wondering why I'm not on that list myself, it's a mighty good question which needs answering! Might even see you there, along with Chris. Cool! Jacky ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 05 May 2001 22:47:39 -0600 From: evian Subject: top 10 Joni Songs No top ten of Joni's songs would be complete without "Don Juan's Reckless Daughter", "Off Night Backstreet" and "Judgment of the Moon and Stars", and "Lesson in Survival/Let the Wind Carry Me" (can't listen to one without the other, IMO). These would be in my top 10, along with a few of the faves that are in the top 10 on the website, as well as "Nothing Can be Done" "Don't Interupt the Sorrow" and "How Do You Stop". You know, it's funny -- everyone here thinks the sun rises and sets around Hejira (the album), but I have to tell ya -- I listen to DJRD and HOSL waaaay more, and they mean more to me than Hejira (but of course, I still think it is a masterpiece). However, it has taken me years, but OMG, FTR rocks my world now --- I have been listening to it constantly the past few months. Damn I wish I had the opportunity to have heard these works of genius as they were released -- what an exciting time it must have been. Evian np: "Dum Dum Girl" -- Talk Talk ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 06 May 2001 00:46:49 -0500 From: Richard Rice Subject: Shame on the list. Wow, I'm a little surprised that early Joni (mid-Joni?) has so clearly won out with the vocal majority. Of course, if lurkers to the issue like myself stood up to be counted, the voting would probably change. I'm surprised that such a sweeping group that "gets" Joni, compared to the general public, would in the end obsess over her earlier work. I refuse to believe the finest of her music ended with Hejira. --And to think we wonder why the general public thinks she died after her folk-rock days???? Early Joni strikes a chord in us for various reasons: Certain songs were our Joni intro. Her music at the time was in syncronicity to the general music of the times. The themes relate to our own experiences on a more personal level. And then, there's the issue of nostalgia. "When's the greatest age of comic books?" The answer, "Whenever it was that you were twelve." All of these may be impetus for us to have an emotional attatchment to certain sounds, but none of them stand as ground for measuring the true worth of poetry and melody behind Joni's work. In fact, it probably won't be for another 15 years that the true measure of the body of her work is fully understood, just for these false points of evaluation. I, myself have often stated that Hejira is the finest work by Joni. Finest in the sense of being the most perfect cumulative whole of concept, themes, melody (?!), and music. But the quality of this recording has easily been met again and again by Joni. Her ability to wax poetic??? Passion Play, The Sire of Sorrow are as fine a piece of poetry as any earlier work. Her adventurous nature to test the limits of harmony on the neck of her guitar with open tunings? She hasn't missed a step here! (Old bag that she is...) The Wolf that Lives in Lindsey, Turbulent Indigo, Harlem in Havana. These songs, and many more, have more fresh harmonic movement than you would find in a multitude of other performers. To this day, a first listen to original joni tunes means just going with the flow. You can't possibly anticipate the harmonic movements. And yet, after a few listens and the whole of the form sinks in, the structure of the music seems such a perfect, almost obvious whole. Her creative, painterly instincts to extend the boundaries of song form beyond "Your hit parade" mentality... and STILL deliver entertaining, enticing songs... Come in from the Cold. Stay in Touch. Sunny Sunday. Chinese Cafe. Listen to Speachless and tell me she's lost her touch at the piano! Do I think Joan's peak is behind her? Actually, I do. Not behind her in the sense of quality, just that I can't picture her putting out 3 or 4 more original recordings at this stage in her life. I believe a couple of Joni's own comments would be rather meaningful to this thread. As I recall, she made a comment of being horrified that they were teaching Circle Game on a college level. She felt a song like Moon at the Window or Edith and the Kingpin were more appropriatefor a college level music course. In her mind, popular was being confused with quality and depth. And when asked what her favorite Joni song is, she is obviously going to reply, 'Whatever is the newest she's working on.' -I'd like to think that we are as forward thinking and progressive as Joni is. The issues in her life may mean she no longer speaks for a generation. But she speaks beautifully as a human being, thank god. I don't care to hear much regarding this generation... Not that we shouldn't love the early stuff... but to disregard the quality of later material. Gee, that's like Joe Public calling her a Folk singer. -Thank god Joni's NOT on the list. She'd take our top 10 as fightin' words. John. (Putting up my dukes for Joni.) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 May 2001 18:20:56 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: He Blinded Her With Science? jan, amen amen amen!!!!!! we agree on dolby and on grace jones -- scary but FUN! by the way, i love your prose! on prince and joni, from the December 1994 mojo interview: ''--talking of brats, did you ever actually work with prince? ''--no. he sent me a song once called ''you are my emotional pump, you make me jump''. i called him up and said, ''i can't sing this''. he's a strange little duck, but i like him. '' wallyK >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ill be back one day, to defend Mingus. Cheers from Jan NP: Thomas Dolby, Budapest by Blimp ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2001 #142 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she?