From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2001 #135 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Sunday, April 29 2001 Volume 2001 : Number 135 The 'Official' Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. Information on the 4th "Annual" New England JoniFest: http://www.jmdl.com/jfne2001.cfm The Joni Chat Room: http://www.jmdl.com/chat.cfm ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- RE: Joni & Leonard Cohen (long) ["Deb Messling" ] little Joni reference ["Diane Evans" ] Joni & The Doobies [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: the album form [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Joni & Leonard Cohen ["kerry" ] "nice one, Bob" ["shane mattison" ] Re: Joni & Leonard Cohen [Catherine McKay ] Re: "nice one, Bob" [Catherine McKay ] From the song: Refuge of the Roads [Doug Brode ] Re: Joni & Leonard Cohen [philipf@tinet.ie] Re: Joni & Leonard Cohen [Catherine McKay ] Re: Joni & Leonard Cohen ["Jim L'Hommedieu" ] Eric Andersen (some Joni content) [john low ] Re: Eric Andersen (some Joni content) [IVPAUL42@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2001 05:37:35 -0400 From: "Deb Messling" Subject: RE: Joni & Leonard Cohen (long) I don't think the definitive Joni biography will be written by Joni herself. From a literary perspective, I'm sure anything she writes will be fascinating, but few people have the objectivity required to depict themselves and their compatriots fairly. I hope someone responsible and talented starts this project soon. Kakki said: > I was just discussing this with another jmdler the other night. I really > wonder how she would put it all together. She is so open and brutally > honest at times, I wonder if she will feel the need to censor > herself some. > I have a feel it may be a long time coming. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2001 08:27:57 -0500 From: "Diane Evans" Subject: little Joni reference Yesterday it was teacher appreciation day at our local Border's store. That means teachers get a nice discount on purchases so I picked up a couple extras.:-D One of them was a book called "Daughter of God." Lo and behold ;-) on page 13 was a reference to Joni's lyrics and her Biblical inspirations. Love to see her influence acknowledged in these subtle ways! BW Diane NP: CSN Dark Star _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2001 09:38:19 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Joni & The Doobies << I hope someone responsible and talented starts this project soon. >> Sorry, Deb...I can't take on any new projects right now! LOL! And also, I hope I didn't give the impression that discussing the detail and specifics of 'what's about who' is unseemly or irrelevant. Like another jmdl'er told me, it is gravy on top of the other in-depth discussions we have regarding Joni's work. Kakki and other Socal JMDLer's, your commentary is always very insightful as you were immersed in the LA music scene and provide so much clarity and detail! Keep it coming! Speaking of projects & SoCal rock, I'm forging ahead with our JMDL Doobie Brothers CD Tree. I received the Pat Simmons 1983 "Arcade" LP this week and transferred it to CD last night. I had not heard it before. It has a nice LA jazz/rock/soul presence to it, a little dated but then again it's almost 20 years old! (Hard to believe!) This will be on the same CD with Kakki's "Rarities" album. Disc 2 will be the two Tom Johnston LP's, and disc 3 will be a live show from the late 70's in London on their "Fault Line" tour. Depending on how the rest of the weekend goes, I may have this finished up in the next couple days. What I need to determine at this point is who all is interested in getting a copy of this 3-CD tree. I don't have a feel for how many Doobie Brothers fans we have out there... So, if you are interested, send me a private message so I can set up the proper structure for distribution. And, of course, more covers news is just around the corner... ;~) Bob NP: John Hammond, "2:19" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2001 09:41:33 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: the album form << So who called it Song To A Seagull if not Joni? >> Colin, my reference was to the subtitles she gave to the album sides: Side 1: I Came to the City Side 2: Out of the City & Down to the Seaside Bob NP: John Hammond, "Heartattack & Vine" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2001 09:29:55 -0500 From: "kerry" Subject: Joni & Leonard Cohen Kakki wrote: >>However, I have thought about this more and can see another side to it. With the exception of suspecting some of Blue and FTR were about JT, I lived in virtual ignorance of who these characters were for almost 30 years until I joined the list. So in a way, I had a lot of time to be blissfully ignorant and not have the knowledge of who they were about impinging on my experience of the songs. It may be that discussing "who is that one about" sort of cheats the people here who are just now or recently experiencing her music from feeling the music fully from their own perspective and emotions. That may not be fair to them.>> This makes sense to me. When I buy a new album, I like to listen to it a few times, then read the lyrics and only then try to figure out what the meaning of each song might be. If an album came with a whole written explanation of each song, it would ruin the mystery. I think hearing stories later either from an artist or from others enriches the song and gives it another layer. It's almost like folklore. Experiences with visual art can be similar. It's nice to view it first and then hear the stories about it. For example, Joni's painting, "Georgia O'Keefe's Rain Barrel." I enjoyed it first, then heard that her cat had peed on it. This information added a new dimension - I marveled at how the pee fit right in and created a new effect! Kerry NP - My ferrets scratching to be let out. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2001 10:38:55 -0600 From: "shane mattison" Subject: "nice one, Bob" Catherine wrote: well, it just goes to show you that, once again, "nice" is a muddy word...as Steve Martin so eloquently put it... "Well EXCUUUUUUUUUUSE MMEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!" shane ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2001 16:03:36 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Joni & Leonard Cohen - --- Kakki wrote: > Catherine wrote: > > > Nice one, Bob. Like you,who Joni wrote these > songs > > about doesn't interest me much. Well, maybe just > a > > little - it does add context in some cases. But I > > find the whole business of trying to find out who > the > > lover du jour was voyeuristic somehow. > > This is what I don't understand. If Joni herself > reveals these people and > her experiences with them either overtly in > interviews and in stage patter, > or implicitly in her songs, why is it voyeuristic to > discuss what she has > already (often very candidly)revealed? I guess I just wasn't aware that Joni did this. I've only seen her in concert twice, and I don't recall her naming names. If she wants to talk about it, that's OK with me, but I wouldn't be asking her for personal information if she didn't volunteer it. Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2001 16:06:00 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: "nice one, Bob" - --- shane mattison wrote: > Catherine wrote: > > > > well, it just goes to show you that, once again, > "nice" > is a muddy word...as Steve Martin so eloquently put > it... > > "Well EXCUUUUUUUUUUSE MMEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!" > I meant it in the NICE way. Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2001 17:47:59 -0400 From: Doug Brode Subject: From the song: Refuge of the Roads Greetings, I met a friend of spirit He drank and womanized I'm wondering if the "friend of spirit" was also the same guy who played "Coyote." "Refuge of the roads" kinda goes with "prisoner of the white lines on the freeway." Was Joni having trouble dealing with touring back then? Cheers, Doug ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2001 00:38:58 +0100 From: philipf@tinet.ie Subject: Re: Joni & Leonard Cohen > Catherine wrote: > > > Nice one, Bob. Like you,who Joni wrote these songs > > about doesn't interest me much. Well, maybe just a > > little - it does add context in some cases. But I > > find the whole business of trying to find out who the > > lover du jour was voyeuristic somehow. > My opinion on this varies. I'm not really sure what's right. Knowing the background dosen't make a song any more enjoyable but it's certainly interesting to know some of the context. Joni is an important poet and academics in universities spend time discussing who Auden or Yeats were talking about in poems. Maybe it's time that Joni was awarded an honorary doctorate in music. Bob Dylan and some other pop people, Paul McCartney I think, got them. Philip NP Bruce Springsteen TV concert - ripping it up on Badlands. . ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2001 21:39:36 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Joni & Leonard Cohen - --- philipf@tinet.ie wrote: > Knowing the > background dosen't make a song any more enjoyable > but it's certainly > interesting to know some of the context. Joni is > an important poet and > academics in universities spend time discussing who > Auden or Yeats were > talking about in poems. Maybe it's time that > Joni was awarded an > honorary doctorate in music. Bob Dylan and some > other pop people, Paul > McCartney I think, got them. Good points. They'd have to give her a very special doctorate, I think - kind of like there are degrees of black belts. What she does is so beyond what others have done. Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2001 01:08:07 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Re: Joni & Leonard Cohen Kakki asked: > If Joni herself reveals these people and her experiences with them either overtly in interviews and in stage patter, or implicitly in her songs, why is it voyeuristic to discuss what she has already (often very candidly)revealed? Okay. First off, I agree with you, as always, dear. I don't find it offensive. That said, some people just don't like "gossip". If a friend told you about personal detail, that's cool and part of why friends are important to each other- we share a layer of intimacy that strangers don't. But if you then discuss that personal detail with 5 others, to some people, it's gossip and unseemly. (Or in this case, 700 others...) Anyway, I'm so glad you're back. Lama ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2001 15:29:33 +1000 From: john low Subject: Eric Andersen (some Joni content) Hello again, While Im out of lurk mode can I ask, does anyone else like Eric Andersen? He is not mentioned much on the list, despite having Joni associations. I read somewhere (Hinton I think) that Andersen was an early influence on her and introduced Joni to open tunings. Is that correct? I have both his re-issued and re-mastered 1972 album "Blue River" (on the title track of which Joni Mitchell sings backing vocals) and a more recent work "Memory of the Future" (1989). Hes an interesting songwriter and Im surprised his reputation never made it to OZ along with that of others of his generation. I gather he has always had quite a large following in America but I cant recall ever hearing his music played on the radio here in Sydney. Perhaps I was always in the wrong place or listening to the wrong radio stations, who knows. Anyway, Ive only come across him fairly recently and Im still enjoying the thrill of discovery we all get when we click with a new (to us) musician, writer etc. Best wishes, John (in Sydney). __________________________________________________________________ Get your free Australian email account at http://www.start.com.au ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2001 02:04:43 EDT From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: Eric Andersen (some Joni content) In a message dated 4/29/01 1:40:32 AM Eastern Daylight Time, johncb@start.com.au writes: << I have both his re-issued and re-mastered 1972 album "Blue River" (on the title track of which Joni Mitchell sings backing vocals) and a more recent work "Memory of the Future" (1989). Hes an interesting songwriter and Im surprised his reputation never made it to OZ along with that of others of his generation. I gather he has always had quite a large following in America but I cant recall ever hearing his music played on the radio here in Sydney. Perhaps I was always in the wrong place or listening to the wrong radio stations, who knows. Anyway, Ive only come across him fairly recently and Im still enjoying the thrill of discovery we all get when we click with a new (to us) musician, writer etc. Best wishes, John (in Sydney). >> I like his "Is It Really Love At All," and have used it on several compilation tapes. Paul I ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2001 #135 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she?