From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2001 #132 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Thursday, April 26 2001 Volume 2001 : Number 132 The 'Official' Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. Information on the 4th "Annual" New England JoniFest: http://www.jmdl.com/jfne2001.cfm The Joni Chat Room: http://www.jmdl.com/chat.cfm ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- New Midi File [slarty ] A Few Fundraising Announcements [AsharaJM@aol.com] Jonifest!!! [AsharaJM@aol.com] Ella sings Coyote [Doug Brode ] "Came Upon A Child of God" [Kammass@aol.com] Re: "Came Upon A Child of God" [RoseMJoy@aol.com] Joni's influence on Bjork ["Garret" ] Blue versus Blood On The Tracks [Mitch327@aol.com] Re: Blue versus Blood On The Tracks [IVPAUL42@aol.com] Re: emerson, lake, palmer [Randy Remote ] RE: Ella sings Coyote ["Wally Kairuz" ] covers question ["Wally Kairuz" ] Re: "Came Upon A Child of God" [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: covers question [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Joni cite in the National Enquirer [Vince Lavieri ] Joni and women overlooked! [Vince Lavieri ] Re: Ella sings Coyote/Aretha ["Brenda J. Walker" ] Blue versus Blood On The Tracks ["Jim L'Hommedieu" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 08:45:27 -0400 From: slarty Subject: New Midi File Believe it or not I still maintain the midi file section on the JMDL site. Unfortunately I rarely find new ones and with Napster and other mp3 sites being so popular midi files are in decline. Be that as it may I have found a new version of Both Sides Now and if you are interested in Midi files you can find it here. http://www.jmdl.com/shinytoys/midi.cfm Ken ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 14:13:35 EDT From: AsharaJM@aol.com Subject: A Few Fundraising Announcements Hi everyone! I've been taking a little break from the list, but it's good to be back, and I see everyone is playing nice. ;-) Some important reminders: I still very strongly encourage people to send checks in for Jim. (for those of you that are new, he was Wally's best friend, and took over JoniMitchell.com when Wally passed.) The need is great for this fundraiser, and every single dollar will make a difference. I am begging all of you to reach deep into your pockets with this particular fundraiser. Jim is battling serious medical problems at this time, and is not able to work to the capacity that he has been able to in the past. Also, the chek for Jim is a **requirement** for "admission" to the New England Labor Day Jonifest, so if you are planning on coming to the party in September, if would be great if the "admission" could be sent soon. Also........for EVERY SINGLE PERSON that sends a check in any amount, you will be eligible to win some of the WONDERFUL giveaways at Jonifest! Please make the checks out to Jim Johanson, and send them to: Ashara Stansfield P.O. Box 215 Topsfield, MA 01983 USA Also, a reminder about the print fundraiser. Info can be found at: http://www.jmdl.com/prints.cfm and http://www.jonimitchell.com/Fundraiser/Fundraiser.html Hugs, Ashara ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 14:36:26 EDT From: AsharaJM@aol.com Subject: Jonifest!!! It's time to get PSYCHED about the New England Labor Day Jonifest!! Make your reservations, send in your forms, and get ready to PARTY!!!!!!!!!! Ah....I can see some newer members saying "What the HECK is she talking about???? Go to: jmdl.com - New England JoniFest 2001: to find out! I have received very few giveaways so far. The whole list can participate in this!! If you have anything that would be great to have as a giveaway, Joni pictures, songbooks, magazines, memoribilia, CD's, videos, books, t-shirts, etc. and would like to part with them for this fun happening, please send them to: Ashara Stansfield P.O. Box 215 Topsfield, MA 01983 USA Remember also that you don't have to be here in Topsfield to win something. The only requirement is to send a check in any amount, payable to Jim Johanson to the same address. A reminder to all Fest-goers and potential Fest-goers: PLEASE sign up for the Labor Day Jonifest mailing list!!! Send a blank e-mail message to: Jonifest2001-subscribe@yahoogroups.com Hugs, Ashara ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 16:48:54 -0400 From: Doug Brode Subject: Ella sings Coyote Please, NO! It would never work. These "above it all" singers just don't do well with a lot of music. Sure, Gershwin, Porter, they can do well, extremely well. But they can't do Dylan songs, or Joni sings, or Beatles songs, or others. The absolutely worst song cover I ever heard was Bing Crosby singing "Hey Jude." It was very sad to hear the great crooner tackling a song that just didn't fit his style or delivery. I cringe eery time I hear it. It was very embarrassing to listen to. Sinatra did a couple of Dylan covers too, and they were almost as bad. Obviously some producer has duped them into singing something "up with the times." What a mistake. It turns out as comedy -- not music. Ella was smart enough to stick with HER kind of music. Cheers Doug ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 17:48:37 EDT From: Kammass@aol.com Subject: "Came Upon A Child of God" Hey ya'll, I bought this cd from amazon.com and got it today, but the artists names aren't listed anywhere! Can anyone help me on who is singing on this album. Which artists are singing which song? It's called "A Tribute to Joni Mitchell-Came Upon a Child of God". The songs: Big Yellow Taxi This Flight Tonight Both Sides Now You Turn Me On Woodstock-What instrument is that? Harp? Chinese Cafe Cary Help Me Chelsea Morning River I would appreciate any feedback whatsoever! Thanks, Kammy Np-Chelsea Morning-Donovan like? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 18:47:29 EDT From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: "Came Upon A Child of God" In a message dated 4/25/01 5:57:28 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Kammass@aol.com writes: > I bought this cd from amazon.com and got it today, but the artists names > aren't listed anywhere! Can anyone help me on who is singing on this > album. > Which artists are singing which song? It's called "A Tribute to Joni > Mitchell-Came Upon a Child of God". > The songs: > Big Yellow Taxi > This Flight Tonight > Both Sides Now > You Turn Me On > Woodstock-What instrument is that? Harp? > Chinese Cafe > Cary > Help Me > Chelsea Morning > River > > I would appreciate any feedback whatsoever! > Kammass, I happened to stumble across this on ebay. A Joni Mitchell tribute cd. Long out of print and vary rare, features Sloan covering "A Case of You". Full track listing Big Faith - Free Man in Paris Sara Craig - This Flight Tonight Universal Honey - Carey Lorraine Scott - Big Yellow Taxi Molly Johnson - Black Crow Andy Stochansky - The Beat of Black Wings Marth and the Muffins - Shades of Scarlett Conquering Funky Bummer Featuring Anne Beadle - The Hissing of Summer Lawns Hugh Marsh, Jonathan Goldsmith, Rob Piltch, Martin Tielli - River Kurt Swinghammer - You Turn Me On I'M A Radio Spirit of the West - Coyote W.O.W. - Woodstock Jenny Whiteley - - Night In The City Sloan - A Case of You Squiddly Featuring Maria Del Mar - Blond In The Bleachers John Cody & Marti Jones - Songs to Aging Children Come Rocket Science Featuring Laura Hubert and Art Bergmann - Refuge of the Roads How is this CD, btw? Hope this helps. Rose rosemjoy@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 00:27:50 +0100 From: "Garret" Subject: Joni's influence on Bjork Bob mentioned that "a case of Joni" cd recently, and it got me to thinking about Bjork. actually, it got me thinking more about Janet Jackson- new album at last!!!! i had always thought that if Bjork were to cover any Joni song it would be the Jungle Line. but the Boho Dance is very up her alley too i guess. so anyway, slowly getting to the point, i bought Q a few weeks ago with REM on the cover. a good interview with Stevie Nicks in there too. somewhere in the news section in absolutely tiny writing is something to the effect of "visit our website...including new updated and rated discogrpahy of....Joni Mitchell" so i went to the website tonight and searched for Joni, and i came up with an article about Bjorks favourite albums, and here's what she had to say about Joni: "When I was about 10, I was listening a lot with my dad, to what he was getting into, like Frank Zappa, who I used to think was a dirty old man, but then got to appreciate a couple of years later, stuff like Don't You Eat That Yellow Snow (from Apostrophe} which I found hilarious, that someone peed in the snow and that someone else was meant to eat it. "When I was 13, though, I got into Joni Mitchell with my dad, and played it to pieces. I loved Don Juan's Reckless Daughter but Hejira was the one. It was more acoustic. I've always found guitars a bit difficult because my dad played since I was very little, and he was a bit of a Clapton and Hendrix kind of guitarist, and I've always been critical of that, but I loved her guitar sound very much, although it's very hard to say why. With hindsight, she was one of the first women I heard who weren't completely stupid. She had her own air of style and independence, whereas a lot of women just wanted to play men's music. I wasn't so much into her voice, more that she had her own world, with her own elements. You definitely knew that it was Joni the second you heard her. It was very strong, but very feminine, you know? It was natural and earthy but modern as well. "She was never my role model, though: I don't think any singer was, to be honest. Instruments influenced me more than singers, like brass and stuff. You might start puking when I say it but I never had the ambition to be a singer, I always wanted to make good music. It's like learning shorthand writing. It's not so much that you're into it, but it makes it easier to write anything. That's why I sing." GARRET ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 21:05:34 EDT From: Mitch327@aol.com Subject: Blue versus Blood On The Tracks All, Hey no one ever responded to my post about "Blue" versus 'Blood On The Tracks" as best all-time album. I'm a new list member, I thought you guys would indulge me. All right, unless I hear otherwise "Blood On The Tracks" wins (this should elicit some responses). Mitch NP (Now playing?) - Kelly Joe Phelps "Lead Me On" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 21:37:32 EDT From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: Blue versus Blood On The Tracks In a message dated 4/25/01 9:11:15 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Mitch327@aol.com writes: << All, Hey no one ever responded to my post about "Blue" versus 'Blood On The Tracks" as best all-time album. I'm a new list member, I thought you guys would indulge me. All right, unless I hear otherwise "Blood On The Tracks" wins (this should elicit some responses). Mitch >> Sorry, but I agreed with the recent poll that voted "Revolver" the best all-time. And though I love Joni and like Dylan, especially Blood on the Tracks, neither of those would be in my top 5. Paul I ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 18:56:23 -0700 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: emerson, lake, palmer In my book, one of the best albums ever Mike Hicks wrote: > I just recently bought ELP's Trilogy mobile fidelity cd and listened > to it...no, cranked it up last night. It was frightening how gooood > it sounded. They were one helluva band. > > Mike ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 20:41:27 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: Ella sings Coyote doug! that's so true! why is it that opera singers sound so ridiculous when they try pop and that big jazz names can't do pop and that nobody can do pop except pop singers? what's with pop that's so elusive anyway??????? wallyK, sooner a crossdresser than a crossover - -----Mensaje original----- De: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]En nombre de Doug Brode Enviado el: Miircoles, 25 de Abril de 2001 05:49 p.m. Para: joni@smoe.org Asunto: Ella sings Coyote Please, NO! It would never work. Doug ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 20:46:50 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: covers question bob forgive my inattention!!!!! has dolby's version of the jungle line been included in any of the MAHVELOUS cover cd's? what about blossom dearie's both sides now? wallyK, losing count ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 22:39:44 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: "Came Upon A Child of God" << I happened to stumble across this on ebay. >> Rose, the info you gave Kammy was incorrect. But you meant well! :~) The CD Rose described was a Canadian trib from 1992 called "Back To The Garden". I like it, but it's pretty radical. It was treed as a tape, I'll be glad to burn a CD of it for anybody who's interested. It's now out of print and available only on E-Bay, or from a kind JMDL'er! Now, Kammy, on to YOUR CD, the "Came Upon A Child of God"...the 2000 UK trib. They did not list the artists, but here they are: 1. Big Yellow Taxi - Vera Haime 2. This Flight Tonight - E-Clypse 3. Both Sides Now - Treasure 4. You Turn Me On - Vera Haime 5. Woodstock - Retail Snail 6. Chinese Cafe - David Hay 7. Carey - Vera Haime 8. Help Me - English Girls 9. Chelsea Morning - Ralph Martin Willey 10. River - Jennifer Hollywood All in all, this is pretty unspectacular. The Chinese Cafe is good, as it's the only cover of that one that I know of. And I like the arrangement of Chelsea Morning. The rest of it is pretty plain-jane. Bob NP: The Band, "The Night They Drove Old Dixie Down" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 23:13:03 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: covers question Got the Dolby. Need the Dearie. Bob ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 23:32:16 -0400 From: Vince Lavieri Subject: Joni cite in the National Enquirer http://www.nationalenquirer.com:80/breakingnews/breakingnews.cfm?instanceid=2770 IT'S A 'WHITE CHRISTMAS' for DOWNEY JR. Just a few months ago, Robert Downey Jr. was singing the blues behind bars ? now hes singing Christmas music! The latest addition to Ally McBeal joins his fellow cast members on the upcoming A Very Ally Christmas. Just six weeks out of the slammer, Downey was locked up in a recording studio after he landed his role on the popular FOX series. He contributes his vocal talent to two tracks on the disc, a cover of Joni Mitchells "River" and a duet with Ally music director Vonda Shephard on the classic "White Christmas." "Hes such a good actor and it translates musically as well," explained Shephard, who produced the album and sings on most of the tracks. "I think his passion and his pain and his longing come out through his voice." His passion and his pain? Oh, please! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 23:43:13 -0400 From: Vince Lavieri Subject: Joni and women overlooked! http://www.usnews.com:80/usnews/issue/010430/music.htm Science & Ideas 4/30/01 Rewriting women and rock A new history helps set the record straight By Dan Gilgoff In the 1950s, male audiences jeered Big Mama Thornton if her voice sounded less than perfect, since she didn't offer much in the way of looks. Sixties-era production guru Phil Spector forced his wife, Ronnie, leader of the Ronettes, to drive with a blowup doll in the passenger's seat when he couldn't chaperone her himself. And Linda Ronstadt was so intimidated by male musicians when her solo career took off in the '70s that she constantly apologized for being "not that good of a singer." These are a few of the less glamorous vignettes collected in We Gotta Get Out of This Place, a new history of female rockers by longtime Rolling Stone Hirshey. Her book joins a flurry of recent literature aimed at setting the record straight on women's roles in the evolution of rock-and-roll. Credit report. Part of the problem has been faulty attribution. Ronnie Spector she has read books "crediting a man for certain things and romanticizing what they did to discover me, and it's not remotely accurate." Although Robert Johnson and Muddy Waters get credit for laying down rock's foundation with the blues, the first black blues vocal recording was Mamie Smith's "Crazy Blues," in 1920. In fact, women who sang the blues early on were actually better paid than men, with Bessie Smith earning nearly 15 times what the average black male singer made. But history has also distorted the significance of acknowledged leaders in the field. Carole King, who wrote or cowrote rock staples like "Will You Love Me Tomorrow," "The Loco-Motion," and "Natural Woman," is a far less respected member of the rock pantheon han Jim Morrison, who gets credit for hits he didn't even author, like "Light My Fire." New York Times critic Ann Powers, who has edited and contributed to anthologies about female musicians, says that male artists continue to hog the historical spotlight. "Are there 20 biographies of Joni Mitchell the way there are of Bob Dylan?" she asks. "I don't think so." When Rolling Stone released its Illustrated History of Rock & Roll in 1992, only four of nearly 100 chapters were devoted to women. The Ronettes, the Crystals, and the Shangri-Las were squeezed into a three-page chapter titled "The Girl Groups." An entire chapter went to Phil Spector alone. {for more good stuff, click the link above} ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 20:53:30 -0700 From: "Brenda J. Walker" Subject: Re: Ella sings Coyote/Aretha One singer has done them all . . . plus gospel and blues.... Aretha Franklin. Wally Kairuz wrote: > doug! that's so true! why is it that opera singers sound so ridiculous when > they try pop and that big jazz names can't do pop and that nobody can do pop > except pop singers? what's with pop that's so elusive anyway??????? > wallyK, sooner a crossdresser than a crossover > > -----Mensaje original----- > De: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]En nombre de Doug > Brode > Enviado el: Miircoles, 25 de Abril de 2001 05:49 p.m. > Para: joni@smoe.org > Asunto: Ella sings Coyote > > Please, NO! > > It would never work. > Doug ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 17:37:37 +1200 From: "hell" Subject: Re: the album form Philip wrote: > I think singles are the essence of great pop/rock/soul music. No album > can compare with the wow of hearing something like I Heard It Through The > Grapevine for the first time. This kind of music continues to be about hit > songs. Albums are just a convenient and economically viable way of > packaging some hit songs interspersed with some filler or not so hit songs. > Almost nobody of consequence in this type of music writes long suites. > Joni has only one song that would not fit on one side of a 7 inch single. > Mediocrities such as Texas and Dido flourish just as easily on single or > album format. Hmmm, fighting words.....! I totally, and unreservedly disagree with you here. Most of Joni's work has been non-single in orientation, and yet here we all are! How on earth could you describe Hejira, or DJRD as a "bunch of hit songs interspersed with some filler or not so hit songs." Ditto to FTR, or Blue, or any of her other 20-odd albums. An album doesn't need to consist of 2 long suites in order to be valid, and the sequencing of songs can make or break an albums appeal. Would you put The Last Time I Saw Richard as Track 1, Side 1? I doubt it. And I wouldn't call Dido a "mediocrity". She's a talented performer, and I'm sure time will bear this out. She's only released one album so far, but back in 1968, so had Joni. Mediocre? I don't think so! Hell ____________________________ "To have great poets, there must be great audiences too." - Walt Whitman hell@ihug.co.nz Visit the NBLs (Natural Born Losers) at: http://www.nbls.co.nz ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 01:41:35 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Blue versus Blood On The Tracks > All right, unless I hear otherwise "Blood On The Tracks" > wins (this should elicit some responses). Okay Mitch, I'll play. But you won't *like* the way I play. I vote for "For The Roses" and "Desire". What say you to that? :) Lama PS- Welcome home! ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2001 #132 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she?