From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2001 #129 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Monday, April 23 2001 Volume 2001 : Number 129 The 'Official' Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. Information on the 4th "Annual" New England JoniFest: http://www.jmdl.com/jfne2001.cfm The Joni Chat Room: http://www.jmdl.com/chat.cfm ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: JMDL Digest ["Martin Giles" ] Re: JMDL Digest [Catherine McKay ] Re: Walk on By [Catherine McKay ] Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2001 #128 [StDoherty@aol.com] Re: Walk on By [philipf@tinet.ie] Re: Hejira lyric alterations ["Mark or Travis" ] Re: Hejira lyric alterations ["Mark or Travis" ] Re: Hejira lyric alterations ["Mark or Travis" ] Re: the album form [Bruce Kimerer ] Re: Walk on By and misc. ["Kakki" ] Re: Hejira lyric alterations and covers ["Kakki" ] Laura Nyro and Joni mention in NY times [Barbara Hirahara ] Re: JMDL Digest V2001 #186 [RPWieloh@cs.com] RE: Coyote Mystery Solved ["Wally Kairuz" ] Re: Black Crow covers [FWSCHNAUZERMOM@aol.com] Re: Jonatha [Michael Paz ] RV: Coyote/djrd coincidence [or is it???] ["Wally Kairuz" Subject: Re: JMDL Digest Hi folks I'm just wondering whether I'm getting all the posts on my digest. I'm not missing any digests - all the numbers are there, but I'm only getting one digest of this sort of size every day. Is it just that very few people are posting at the moment, as this currently seems to be about one third of the normal traffic? atb, Martin. In London. - ----- Original Message ----- From: JMDL Digest To: Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2001 8:00 AM Subject: JMDL Digest V2001 #187 > > JMDL Digest Sunday, April 22 2001 Volume 2001 : Number 187 > TOPICS and authors in this Digest: > -------- > Joni's popularity in the 70's, SJC ["Jim L'Hommedieu" ] > Black Crow covers [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] > FTR/ 1972 McGovern Tour question ["janine sherman" ] > Walk On By - the history of the popular song [philipf@tinet.ie] > Re: There's a Quadraphonic Hissing on EBay ["Paul Pennington" RE: Black Crow covers ["Jim L'Hommedieu" ] > Joni to appear at Toronto's Harbourfront? [Catherine McKay coyote guy ["shane mattison" ] > Re: Joni to appear at Toronto's Harbourfront? [mags ] > [none] ["shane mattison" ] > Re: Black Crow covers [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] > RE: NJC[Fwd: Hirahara's News] ["Wally Kairuz" ] > Re: There's a Quadraphonic Hissing on EBay [Randy Remote Re: There's a Quadraphonic Hissing on EBay [Randy Remote Re: There's a Quadraphonic Hissing on EBay [Randy Remote Re: [Catherine McKay ] > Re: NJC[Fwd: Hirahara's News] [Catherine McKay ] > Walk on By ["Paul Castle" ] > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2001 11:15:07 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: JMDL Digest - --- Martin Giles wrote: > Hi folks > > I'm just wondering whether I'm getting all the posts > on my digest. I'm not > missing any digests - all the numbers are there, but > I'm only getting one > digest of this sort of size every day. Is it just > that very few people are > posting at the moment, as this currently seems to be > about one third of the > normal traffic? It has been a BIT quieter of late. I saw something that I posted way back in March in my inbox yesterday (!?) I don't know if anyone else got it, so maybe I just missed deleting it from my inbox for a month or so, but I doubt it - that was kind of weird! (I'm on single posts, not the digest.) Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2001 11:15:57 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Walk on By - --- Paul Castle wrote: > Early Joni on telly last night - in a great > programme called > 'Walk on By' - a documentary series showing in the > UK on > BBC2 at the moment, tracing the history of popular > song. > Aww, how come you guys get the good stuff? Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2001 11:46:35 EDT From: StDoherty@aol.com Subject: Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2001 #128 In a message dated 4/22/01 3:14:47 AM Eastern Daylight Time, les@jmdl.com writes: << And that's enough........... Enough. >> Well put and a nice breeze down memory lane. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2001 17:54:46 +0100 From: philipf@tinet.ie Subject: Re: Walk on By Paul wrote: > with a Brit music writer saying that, for him, her music was a > little too mushy before LOTC and Blue, when she really hit her > stride. [Cactus Tree? Mushy?", I hrrmphed to myself!] > Yes I was surprised at so dumb a comment. Songs like BSN, Cactus Tree, Marcie, Nathan etc are definitely not "flowery and twee". I agree with you Paul that the series is great but there was a definite drop in standard on this episode mainly due to the scarcity of good contributors.. McGuinn, Robertson and Crosby were great but hacks like Ben Fong and Barney Hoskyns had nothing of any worth to say. A casual observer would be left with the impression that America (the band) were as significant to popular music as Joni. It was interesting to see that a film exists of Joni and CSNY's gig at Wembley. Philip ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2001 11:50:50 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: Hejira lyric alterations > Mark, > I think that Ella had ample opportunity to record one of Joni's songs, > continuing to record into her 80s. Their simulatneous careers overlapped by over twenty years. I realize that but I still don't think of Ella as a contemporary of Joni's. I don't have an extensive collection of Ella's music but to my knowledge she did not record much in the way of the then current music in the latter part of her career. Please correct me if I'm wrong about that. I may very well be. I don't want to generalize, but I think that the > "golden" era of jazz vocals seemed to highlight songs written by men. > Perhaps it was because life on the road for a jazz musician was hard for all > but the toughest, and the songs rose spontaneously from among a group that was disproportionately male? I don't really know. I'll leave that type of > interpretation to Ken Burns. With rare exceptions like Sippy Wallace, few > female songwriters seemed to appeal to jazz and blues singers. Peggy Lee > was one of the first successful breakthrough female artists to have other > vocalists record her songs. Hmm. That's an interesting take but I don't know that I necessarily buy into it. It's true there weren't many women who were known for song writing in those days. There were a few. David Lahm's mother, Dorothy Fields comes to mind. Also Irene Kitchings who was married to pianist Teddy Wilson at one time and who was a close friend of Billie Holiday's. Irene wrote the lyrics to 'Some Other Spring' and 'Ghost of Yesterday' both of which have better than average lyrics, imo. Of course neither one of those women were singers to my knowledge. > > Frank Sinatra, certainly a member of the "golden" club, recorded "Both Sides > Now" very early. 'Both Sides Now' is one of Joni's early songs and everybody and their Aunt Minnie covered it at one time or another. Joni herself has proven that BSN can be successfully re-interpreted by a good singer. I was referring more to Joni's later, more complex work in my original post. > > I have to respectfully disagree with you about Cassandra Wilson's > interpretations of "Black Crow" and "Drycleaner From DesMoines." Well it's just my opinion but I feel that Cassandra's 'Black Crow' drains the song of all the restless energy of the original and just leaves the weariness. Not as interesting, imo, and misses the point of the song. I think > they are fine covers in her idiom, particularly "Drycleaner." I was at the > TNT taping and thought Wilson's performance was scintillating, singing a > full octive down from Joni's key. As good as the post production was for > that show, perhaps they might have done a little better on the audio mix, > but the placement of the horn section in such a wide swath across the stage > made it very difficult to mike adequately. You are probably right. I can't say for sure since I didn't have your good fortune of being in the audience. I did think the ending of the performance really started to pick up and there was some smoke starting to rise. But it came a bit too late in the performance for me. I think, though that we may not > fully swing on that one until Quincy Jones serves up an arrangement for it > (just my little fantasy). But who else could dare sing (scat) this famously > difficult, technically demanding song? Drycleaner, Quincy Jones and ? > Hmmmmm. Hendricks and Ross? Oooo! Now that I would like to hear! Annie & Jon swinging 'Drycleaner' out of the ballpark! I can hear Annie singing 'I talked to a cat from Des Moines' in my head right now! I don't think I got the point of my original post across very well & I'm not sure exactly how to say it. But I do feel there is something in Joni's later output that makes it difficult to cover & leaves less room for a singer to interpret than the standard ballads that most jazz singers cover. I understand that songwriting was revolutionized in the 60s with Dylan and the rest who pushed the boundaries of subject matter. But even Joni's love songs have more thoughts & feelings crowded into them than those older ones. Where does the creative singer take all of them? I guess I see the lyrics of the standards as being less essential than Joni's lyrics are to her songs and therefore more open to interpretation. There were one or two lyricists of that era who were less clichid and more original & complex. Some of Cole Porter's and Noel Coward's songs come to mind. Certainly there have been plenty of their songs that have been covered over the decades. Maybe we'll see more of Joni's later output being done as time goes on (and as the covers seem to attest!) Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2001 12:01:13 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: Hejira lyric alterations > 1. The more popular cover songs of Joni's are songs that were ALREADY hits; > BSN, Woodstock, BYT, UFG...so people picked up on them usually through > somebody else's cover to START with. I think Joni's songs have touched SO > many people in all genres of music that even though they're not looking for a > hit they feel compelled to cover one of her songs... I'm glad you said this Bob, because I did try to indicate that I was talking about Joni's later, more complex songs as opposed to these early chestnuts, some of which have been done to death. > > 2. One of the great walls I constantly have to attempt to tear down is that > nobody can do one of Joni's songs better than she can. I used to be one of those people. I thought nobody could sing Joni as well as Joni. I have since changed my mind. Cindy Lauper's 'Carey' on the TNT Tribute is one of the most creative reworkings of one of Joni's songs, imo, and it works beautifully. But, again, it's early Joni she's covering. > By the same token, someone with the genius of a David Lahm can find a new > groove hidden in a song and make a brand-new jazz interpretaion of it. I don't have David's latest cd but I do think what he does with Joni's music is very exciting and I love the first one. I certainly don't disagree with anything you've > said, I think it's a wonderful topic. And I don't disagree with you either. I enjoyed reading your thoughts on the subject as well! Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2001 12:04:27 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: Hejira lyric alterations Maybe we'll see more of Joni's later output being > done as time goes on (and as the covers seem to attest!) I meant to say 'covers project' in that last sentence. Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2001 18:25:51 -0400 From: Bruce Kimerer Subject: Re: the album form Jim, your comments on the album form are so true. > From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" > Subject: Joni's popularity in the 70's, SJC > > > By then "Rock" was an Album Oriented Radio format and it was just about > custom made for the Singer-Songwriters. So, no, Joni didn't have to sell 45 > rpm singles because she was selling the higher-priced LPs. (If I remember > right, the "single" market _was_ the 45rpm singles's sales market. I > believe that the Billboard pop "singles chart" was not based on radio play > then, but only on reported sales of 45s. (There was no music video channel > then.) > Many of the most major bands at the time never had hit singles, yet were considered very commercially successful. (I don't think CSNY charted in the top 40.) Today, it's a singles world again, with MTV and now Napster. Music is consumed one song at a time. The huge appeal of Napster is largely based on the fact that young people don't want to bother with all the 'extra' stuff an album contains. Too much trouble. Too much concentration. Too much time. That's also why artists today have such short shelf lives. There is no sustained 'band loyalty,' where fans eagerly follow an artist from one record to the next because they are interested in whatever new things he/she has to say. (Of course, this is as true for people my age -- 48 -- as it is true for people half my age.) I think I read that Paul Simon has sold less than 100,000 copies of his most recent album, a fine -- and entertaining -- piece of work. Bruce ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2001 15:09:41 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Walk on By and misc. Philip and Paul, Thanks for the reports. There has been much talk about the program over on the CSN list. They seemed to love the show, too, but said there was too much emphasis on Robbie Robertson. You had me drooling over the Byrds segments ;-) Does BBC2 release these series on video at a later date? I would love to be able to buy a copy of this segment. Kakki P.S. recovering from three nights of live music (walked right by Jackson Browne at the Paco de Lucia concert at UCLA last night) and one night at "Jimmyfest" at Coyote Rick's Casa Alegre. We had a great time - lots of martinis and Boones Farm frou frou cocktails (eek), a long stretch of disco dancing (you should see Clark and Jimmy's moves) and ended the evening singing along to Joni on the jukebox. Thanks to Rick and Brad for a fantastic evening. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2001 15:44:35 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Hejira lyric alterations and covers Mark wrote: > For the record, I have heard a few singers who can interpret Joni very > well & somehow manage to add something of themselves to the material. > After all this time I am finally getting around to listening to Bob's > Covers, Volume 2 and I loved Christine Collister's takes on the Joni > songs she sang. There was also a singer that Kakki sent me a tape of > but I can't think of her name right now. Karla Lembach or something > like that? The Mixons & I think the Dulsons saw her perform at Top of > the Mark in SF. The Joni song she sings(Song to a Seagull, I believe) > is really beautiful as well. It's Carla Helmbrecht and I'm glad you liked her - the gang did see her at Top of the Mark and Mr. Dulson brought me back a souvenir martini glass from the evening ;-). I'm still hoping to see her there one of these days. Azeem sent me the Christine Collister eons ago and that was the first group of Joni covers I really flipped over. Also on my short list are Lydia Van Damme and Jane Monheit. Speaking of the cover artists, last night on the car radio I heard that Robert Downey, Jr. and Vonda Shepard will be at the Virgin Megastore in Hollywood to sign copies of the latest Ally McBeal collection Monday (tomorrow) night starting at midnight and also Tuesday morning starting at 9:00 a.m. Should be cool. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2001 20:05:26 -0400 From: Vince Lavieri Subject: Re: the album form Bruce Kimerer wrote: > Many of the most major bands at the time never had hit singles, yet were considered very commercially successful. (I don't think CSNY charted in the top 40.) Too lazy to do the research but as a fellow 48 year old, I am positive that CSN and CSNY charted a lot of singles: Suite Judy Blue Eyes, Marakeesh Express, Woodstock, Ohio, off the top of my head, and I am sure more. Stills certainly did it with Love the One You're With. And in album-oriented underground music, they were always top ten. Just what i think on CSNY. Everything else you said, I agreed with 100%. Vince > Today, it's a singles world again, with MTV and now Napster. Music is > consumed one song at a time. The huge appeal of Napster is largely based on the fact that young people don't want to bother with all the 'extra' stuff an album contains. Too much trouble. Too much concentration. Too much time. > That's also why artists today have such short shelf lives. There is no sustained 'band loyalty,' where fans eagerly follow an artist from one record to the next because they are interested in whatever new things he/she has to say. > (Of course, this is as true for people my age -- 48 -- as it is true for people half my age.) I think I read that Paul Simon has sold less than 100,000 copies of his most recent album, a fine -- and entertaining -- piece of work. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2001 17:12:52 -0700 From: Barbara Hirahara Subject: Laura Nyro and Joni mention in NY times The NY Times Arts e-news featured an article entitled An Elusive Folk Star Who's Ripe for Rediscovery By Peter Marks "Ultimately, though, the task was not to provide a literal interpretation, but a more impressionistic canvas on which to convey the scope of Nyro's talent, the range of her influences, from jazz to rock to rhythm and blues, and perhaps to make a case for the kind of wider audience enjoyed by her contemporaries like Joni Mitchell and Judy Collins." Great article about an interesting production and the Joni mention was an extra. Barbara Hirahara [demime 0.97c removed an attachment of type text/x-vcard which had a name of hirahara.vcf] ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2001 20:52:35 EDT From: BachelorNumero2@aol.com Subject: Coyote Mystery Solved In a message dated 4/21/01 2:15:34 AM Central Daylight Time, les@jmdl.com writes: << Joni was touring with Rolling Thunder (and Sam) in 1975. The copyright for Coyote is 1976. I think Coyote is Sam Shepard too. Here's why. From the song: HE'S TOO FAR FROM THE BAY OF FUNDY Sam Shepard said, I've been upside down under falling horses at full gallop and I almost blew myself up once with a plastic milk bottle full of white gas on the Bay of Fundy, where they have the highest tides in the world. http://www.randomhouse.com/vintage/storylines/bios/shepard.html And Sam also had a home in Canada. http://www.lopezbooks.com/articles/norman.html FROM APPALOOSAS AND EAGLES AND TIDES Appaloosas are horses of course, and Sam is a horseman. And tides probably refer again to the Bay of Fundy, where (as Sam says correctly) they have the highest tides in the world. AND THE AIR CONDITIONED CUBICLES AND THE CARBON RIBBON RIDES Sam is a playwright and says he's never owned a word processor, so he says. He types all his work on an old typewriter -- probably with a carbon ribbon. And Sam is a prisoner of the white lines of the freeway as well. He says, "I've learned to love to drive. I love long-distance driving. The farther the better. I love covering immense stretches in one leap: Memphis to New York City; Gallup to L.A.; Saint Paul to Richmond; Lexington to Baton Rouge; Bismarck to Cody. Leaps like these. Without a partner. Completely alone. Relentless driving. Driving until the body disappears, the legs fall off, the eyes bleed, the hands go numb, the mind shuts down, and then, suddenly, something new begins to appear." >> YES......................I completely agree.......................!!!! The line "Privately probing the public rooms, peeking through key holes and numbered doors, where the players lick their wounds and take their temporary lovers and their pills and powders to get them through this passion play, No regrets Coyote, I just get off up aways..." This explicitly refers to Sam Shepard (Coyote) as he documents the "Rolling Thunder" tour. He was specifically dispatched by Dylan to follow everyone around so he could write the screenplay for "Renaldo and Clara"...........The "players" are of course Dylan, Baez, McGuinn, Mitchell herself......... After letting Shepard get a little too close, she decides to keep her distance......... I mean, Sam Shepard looks like a freakin Coyote..........in a good way....:) he's ruggedly handsome. There are plenty of other lines in the song that point to Shepard and the experience of the "Rolling Thunder Tour"............. "We saw a farm house burning down, in the middle of nowhere, in the middle of the night, we ROLLED right pased that tragedy............" I don't feel like explaining every line.....BUT, if you want more proof, check out Shepard's "Rolling Thunder Log"...............(has lovely pics of Joni too...............) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2001 20:28:18 -0700 From: Michael Paz Subject: To All Jazz Fest Bound Listers Hello All- I have been in deep lurk mode as of late cause life is getting ready to take a wicked left turn up ahead. Things are crazy here in New Orleans with French Quarter Fest in full swing and Jazz Fest starting next friday. But it's all good! I have arranged for a "Get Together" at The Ugly Dog Saloon (Friday May 4th) on Tchoupitoulas in the Warehouse district. There will be NO cover charge. It's where I hang out on Thursday nights after Jukebox wraps. I will have a PA, keyboard, VG-8, regular acoustic and electric guitars, drums, bass rig, and assorted goodies available for an impromptu Mini-Joni-Fest. ALL are welcome. I think we will start the music about 9:30 or so and go until I can't stand it anymore. I have to work at 9am the next day so I should be in bed by 5am at least (if I am true to form) hee hee. Anyways I am sending this to the general list as well so I don't miss anybody. Hope you all had a wonderful weekend. Mikey pitched his first game of baseball today and had three strike outs and his team won 4-3 as well as yesterday and the day before when they won 2 out of 3 of the games. (Sorry proud dad) Well off to immerse myself into my second martini and think about the 35 plus gigs I have booked over the next 20 days. Ugh! Love Paz NP-Afro Blue-Govt' Mule (one of my gigs the second Saturday of Jazz Fest at the State Palace Theater) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2001 21:42:39 EDT From: RPWieloh@cs.com Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2001 #186 Will anyone here, on the list, in the Pittsburgh area be going to see jonatha Brooke concert at "M" in the strip? If so let me know. Im kinda new and would be interested in meeting with the group, if there is a group going to the gig. Rich ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2001 22:59:24 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: Coyote Mystery Solved the coyote mystery solved posts ROCK!!!!!!!!!!!!! wallyK ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2001 22:33:46 EDT From: FWSCHNAUZERMOM@aol.com Subject: Re: Black Crow covers Hope you can help me, JoniGuy. Although I've thorougly enjoyed reading the E-mails since I signed on, I've been so covered up with a new job and school that I'm unable to get the joy out of this list I could if I were less busy (and it's clogging up my computer). Could you let me know how to get my name taken off the list. I'd love to come back when my life's a little less hectic. Thanks for your help. F in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2001 22:43:49 -0700 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: Jonatha If I were in Pittsburgh I WOULD BE THERE!!!! Best Michael NP-Drops of Jupiter-Train on 4/22/01 6:42 PM, RPWieloh@cs.com at RPWieloh@cs.com wrote: > Will anyone here, on the list, in the Pittsburgh area be going to see jonatha > Brooke concert at "M" in the strip? If so let me know. Im kinda new and would > be interested in meeting with the group, if there is a group going to the > gig. Rich ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 01:24:18 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RV: Coyote/djrd coincidence [or is it???] - -----Mensaje original----- De: Wally Kairuz [mailto:wallykai@fibertel.com.ar] Enviado el: Lunes, 23 de Abril de 2001 01:24 a.m. Para: mags Asunto: Coyote/djrd coincidence [or is it???] you know how coyote and djrd [the song] seem to be so intimately related [because of some of the chords and stuff]. well i've just realized that DJRD could be about ... sam shepard!!!! ''i'm don juan's reckless daughter, i came out two days on your tail...''. joni was born on november 7, 1943 and sam shepard on november 5, 1943. isn't this trippy?????? wallyK, into birthdays and futility ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 00:38:07 -0400 From: "Christopher J. Treacy" Subject: Re: RV: Coyote/djrd coincidence [or is it???] Not a coincidence, Wally! These songs, though recorded at different times, were written as sequels to each other, almost like 2 parts of a suite. They were performed as a suite on the '76 tour in support of 'Hissing', where Joni did an interesting hodgepodge of material while introducing her new 'Hejira' material; the title track from DJRD dates back that far. Sounds like maybe Joni & sam ran amok, eh? There are too many glaring and now obvious references on this one - I'm convinced. Garsh, Angela Lansbury would be impressed at our collective sleuthing abilities! NP: "TV Funhouse" on Comedy Central. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 01:06:56 EDT From: JRMCo1@aol.com Subject: Re: Coyote Mystery Solved I'm convinced of the Sam Shepard connection. Thanks and kudos to all you coyote sleuths. - -Julius ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2001 #129 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she?