From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2001 #119 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Saturday, April 14 2001 Volume 2001 : Number 119 The 'Official' Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. Information on the 4th "Annual" New England JoniFest: http://www.jmdl.com/jfne2001.cfm The Joni Chat Room: http://www.jmdl.com/chat.cfm ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: art:useful? [catman ] Re: art:useful? ["Kakki" ] Thank you, Bob [Jodcrazee@aol.com] Re: RE: Art (Some Joni content) [pyramus@lineone.net] [none] [pyramus@lineone.net] Fwd: Hard-to-find books made easy! [Kammass@aol.com] Re: art:useful? [Robert Holliston ] RE: art:useful? ["Wally Kairuz" ] Re: art:useful? [Heather ] Useful art [Ian Cropton ] RE: art:useful? ["Stephen Epstein" ] Another outstanding Joni essay [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] RE: art:useful? [Catherine McKay ] Re: Useful art [jan gyn ] Re: art:useful? [Phyliss Ward ] Re: art:useful? [catman ] For those who care [Emilia Bedelia ] Joni On DVD-A; 100% JC !!! ["Jim L'Hommedieu" ] Re: For those who care [RoseMJoy@aol.com] Re: For those who care [catman ] Photocopies of "Music of Joni Mitchell" songbook [Mark Domyancich ] RE: Useful art ["Wally Kairuz" ] RE: art:useful? ["Wally Kairuz" ] RE: art:useful? ["Wally Kairuz" ] Re: Photocopies of "Music of Joni Mitchell" songbook [Mark Domyancich ] RE: art:useful? ["Jim L'Hommedieu" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 09:32:26 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: art:useful? Kakki wrote: > A hand-painted martini glass. A posh lush? Not our Kakki surely? ;-) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 01:28:17 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: art:useful? Surely not! Kakki, with only a week left to paint one up for Jimmy's visit to L.A. ;-) > > A hand-painted martini glass. > > A posh lush? Not our Kakki surely? ;-) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 05:27:56 EDT From: Jodcrazee@aol.com Subject: Thank you, Bob A big thank you to Bob for the cd's you sent. I hardly knew where to begin! I loved the artwork. Thank you for your time. J. 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------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 03:07:21 -0700 From: Robert Holliston Subject: Re: art:useful? Yes, yes, I say. As the proud possessor of a genuine hand-painted-by-Kakki martini glass, I have to say that it is both a work of art and a useful addition to my kitchen (even if I only use it on very special occasions). It has a STAS motif and I will always cherish it. As for what constitutes popular rather than high art, I have to offer only this: only a few centuries ago, composers such as Vivaldi, Handel, Mozart and Rossini were compelled to write new works as fast as they could, because the public simply wasn't interested in last week's music. Even the composers had no expectation that their work would have a life beyong the season during which it was first heard. Today, of course, many people regard the works of these and other composers not only as classics but as standard bearers. So, who's to know? What is considered ephemeral in one century may well become a classic in a subsequent one. The main thing is to enjoy, keep an open mind about, and learn from the exposure to whatever art we're privileged enough to encounter. Love it or hate it, it's there to provoke feelings and, if you're lucky, discussion. Not a very intellectual contribution, alas, but I send my very best wishes to everybody by way of compensation ;-) Roberto np Mahler Das Lied von der Erde Kakki wrote: > A hand-painted martini glass. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 08:16:53 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: art:useful? well, there is the place in the hamptons where i usually buy all these tchotchkes [stephen epstein: what is this place called? you know, the place where i bought my slinky and the bicycle thing] and they have all these gadgets and stuff that are not only useful but also beautiful in a very artistic way. but then, what do i know? i collect heinz jars... wallyK, who finds beauty in almost everything and art in almost anything. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 09:42:25 -0400 From: Heather Subject: Re: art:useful? yes... my beautiful, frosted, hejira martini glass is handsomely displayed next to my wedgewood in the hutch in the dining room. heather ps - glad you are back, kakki :-) At 09:09 PM 4/12/01 -0700, Kakki wrote: >A hand-painted martini glass. > > > > Art that is useful: > > > > A handcrafted musical instrument > > A delicious meal > > A handmade sweater > > An inlaid table > > A Frank Lloyd Wright building > > Calligraphy > > Anything that soothes the spirit, or enriches the mind (ie a song, > > a book, a painting) > > > > RR ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 07:01:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Ian Cropton Subject: Useful art My wife gave me a beautiful glass bong for Christmas this year. Its got a big round bottom and a long twisted neck and the the glass is fused with swirls of different colors. It could easily be mistaken for a a flower vase. Works pretty good too, especially with some red wine in it :-) Cheers, Ian Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 11:29:51 -0400 From: "Stephen Epstein" Subject: RE: art:useful? Wally- Restoration Hardware! Stephen in Vancouver "Wally Kairuz" on 04/13/2001 04:16:53 AM Please respond to "Wally Kairuz" To: joni@smoe.org cc: (bcc: Stephen Epstein/Agmont) Subject: RE: art:useful? well, there is the place in the hamptons where i usually buy all these tchotchkes [stephen epstein: what is this place called? you know, the place where i bought my slinky and the bicycle thing] and they have all these gadgets and stuff that are not only useful but also beautiful in a very artistic way. but then, what do i know? i collect heinz jars... wallyK, who finds beauty in almost everything and art in almost anything. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 11:33:25 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Another outstanding Joni essay Stumbled upon this one, which is really wonderful; again, lengthy but well worth the time, and the guy has even played onstage in a spontaneous jam session with siquomb: http://www.sambroussard.com/words/joni.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 12:15:46 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: RE: art:useful? - --- Wally Kairuz wrote: > well, there is the place in the hamptons where i > usually buy all these > tchotchkes What is a tchotchke? I think I can guess from context. >[stephen epstein: what is this place > called? you know, the place > where i bought my slinky and the bicycle thing] and > they have all these > gadgets and stuff that are not only useful but also > beautiful in a very > artistic way. but then, what do i know? i collect > heinz jars... I like that kind of junk too - I like those things with the metal nail-like things that you can press things up against and create 3D pictures - if they're big enough, you can get a 3C image of your face. (I'm sure you could do even cruder things, but my mind is too clean to go there!) The only reason I don't collect that kind of stuff is, too much dusting! Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 09:53:41 -0700 From: jan gyn Subject: Re: Useful art At 07:01 AM 4/13/01 -0700, Ian Cropton wrote: >My wife gave me a beautiful glass bong for Christmas >this year. Its got a big round bottom and a long >twisted neck and the the glass is fused with swirls of >different colors. It could easily be mistaken for a >a flower vase. > >Works pretty good too, especially with some red wine >in it :-) > >Cheers, Ian Red wine in a bong? What a great idea! I'm not into abusing my body, though, so I just use Perrier. - -jan ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 10:46:59 -0700 From: Phyliss Ward Subject: Re: art:useful? This Clay Artist is drawn out of lurkdom by the "useful art" thread! There is a long standing argument in the "Art World, commonly fought over ceramic pieces, about Art vs. Craft. Take for example a bowl. What if it is a beautifully hand-thrown and painted bowl? What about tupperware? Craft or Art? Where is the line drawn? Some purist say if it has a function, period, it is Craft, not Art. This has led my husband to make only non-functional pieces so that he can call it Art. Some of his pieces strongly resemble teapots but have no bottom, rendering them non-functional. I still contend that even a salad bowl can be beyond craft and into Art. - -- Phyliss mailto:pward@datacourse.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 20:52:53 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: art:useful? > . This has led my > husband to make only non-functional pieces so that he can call it Art. > Some of his pieces strongly resemble teapots but have no bottom, > rendering them non-functional. Good for him and shows how silly the distiction is! > I still contend that even a salad bowl > can be beyond craft and into Art. I quite agree! > > > -- > Phyliss > mailto:pward@datacourse.com - -- bw colin colin@tantra.fsbusiness.co.uk http://www.geocities.com/tantra_apso/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 14:37:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Emilia Bedelia Subject: For those who care Hi, just for those of you who care or want to know, I got a 97 on the project i did on joni! well thanks for you help! bye Yahoo! Mail Personal Address - Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 18:27:04 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Joni On DVD-A; 100% JC !!! Joni is now ***available*** on DVD-A. This disc will play on any DVD player that has Dolby Digital compatibility. Whether or not it sounds better may depend on the relative quality of your DVD, CD, or DVD-Audio components. (i.e., if you have a dirt cheap DVD Video player, it may sound better on a hi end CD.) No word on whether the surround was recorded that way in the UK or whether it was generated.... uh.... mechanically. As far as I've heard no one on the jmdl even owns a DVD-Audio player yet. No wonder... no Joni... till NOW!!! *** DVD-A Joni Mitchell / Both Sides Now / Grammy Winner / This DVD-A has three sections and the first two sections listed are only accessible by using a DVD-A player: 1. Advanced Resolution Stereo 2. Advanced Resolution 6-channel Surround Sound 3. DVD Video Compatible Dolby Digital (Reprise) CREP 47620 = $24.98 They can be reached at: asounds@acousticsounds.com or call 1-800-716-3553 (USA Only) or 785-825-8609. Beware though, these guys are traditionally higher-priced than anyone else on the planet. Lama np: TTT BTW, tonight's the second night of 8 PM - 6 AM curfew in the city of Cincinnati tonight. The cops MUST stop shooting citizens, especially young, black men. It's simple folks. Not only was the guy unarmed, his outstanding warrants were for misdemeanors. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 18:58:22 EDT From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: For those who care In a message dated 4/13/01 5:47:54 PM Eastern Daylight Time, hoops3119@yahoo.com writes: > Hi, just for those of you who care or want to know, I got a 97 on the > project i did on joni! well thanks for you help! bye > Woo Hoo That's Great Amelia! rosemjoy@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2001 00:01:52 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: For those who care EXCELLENT! thanks for letting us know bw colin Emilia Bedelia wrote: > Hi, just for those of you who care or want to know, I got a 97 on the project i did on joni! well thanks for you help! bye > Yahoo! Mail Personal Address - Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. - -- bw colin colin@tantra.fsbusiness.co.uk http://www.geocities.com/tantra_apso/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 20:22:24 -0500 From: Mark Domyancich Subject: Photocopies of "Music of Joni Mitchell" songbook Hey everyone, I've been meaning to post this for MONTHS! I have a photocopied copy of "The Music of Joni Mitchell" songbook up for grabs. Terry M. sent it to me a long time ago and I purchased the real-deal so I have no need for the photocopies. All I need from YOU is 1 priority mail stamp, mailed to me (inside an envelope) and I will mail it to you with that stamp on it. I will randomly pick one person, but you must be from the U.S. That's my only stipulation! I'm not ethnocentric or anything, I just don't want to deal with international mail right now. I will post again when I pick someone. Please reply privately because for some reason my posts aren't showing up on the list. Thanks! Mark NP-Taming The Tiger ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 18:33:45 -0700 From: "gene mock" Subject: Re: Another outstanding Joni essay thanks, that was goooooood! how do you find this stuff? take care and happy easter gene - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, April 13, 2001 8:33 AM Subject: Another outstanding Joni essay > Stumbled upon this one, which is really wonderful; again, lengthy but well worth the time, and the guy has even played onstage in a spontaneous jam session with siquomb: > > http://www.sambroussard.com/words/joni.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 22:49:11 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: Useful art ian!!!! what a naughty boy you are!!! wallyK, bong crazy - -----Mensaje original----- De: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]En nombre de Ian Cropton Enviado el: Viernes, 13 de Abril de 2001 11:02 a.m. Para: Joni Discussion-List Asunto: Useful art My wife gave me a beautiful glass bong for Christmas this year. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 22:52:10 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: art:useful? that's the place!!!!!! restoration hardware!!!! everything they sell there is a work of art and at the same time it serves some practical purpose like peeling potatoes or combing your hair. very NICE... wallyK - -----Mensaje original----- De: Stephen Epstein [mailto:sepstein@agmont.com] Enviado el: Viernes, 13 de Abril de 2001 12:30 p.m. Para: Wally Kairuz CC: joni@smoe.org Asunto: RE: art:useful? Wally- Restoration Hardware! Stephen in Vancouver "Wally Kairuz" on 04/13/2001 04:16:53 AM Please respond to "Wally Kairuz" To: joni@smoe.org cc: (bcc: Stephen Epstein/Agmont) Subject: RE: art:useful? well, there is the place in the hamptons where i usually buy all these tchotchkes [stephen epstein: what is this place called? you know, the place where i bought my slinky and the bicycle thing] and they have all these gadgets and stuff that are not only useful but also beautiful in a very artistic way. but then, what do i know? i collect heinz jars... wallyK, who finds beauty in almost everything and art in almost anything. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 22:57:24 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: art:useful? oh a tchotchke [god only knows how it is spelled...] is yiddish for trinket, i guess... wallyK, into languages - -----Mensaje original----- De: Catherine McKay [mailto:anima_rising@yahoo.ca] Enviado el: Viernes, 13 de Abril de 2001 01:16 p.m. Para: Wally Kairuz; joni@smoe.org Asunto: RE: art:useful? What is a tchotchke? I think I can guess from context. Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 22:40:45 -0500 From: Mark Domyancich Subject: Re: Photocopies of "Music of Joni Mitchell" songbook Michael Paz is the lucky recipient!!! Mark NP-Dave & Tim, 2/23/99 - The Temple (Jesus Christ Superstar cover!) At 8:22 PM -0500 4/13/01, I wrote: >I will post again when I pick someone. Please reply privately >because for some reason my posts aren't showing up on the list. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 22:44:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Tyler Hewitt Subject: conceptual? art? RE: IMO there are a great many suits suitable for Emperors being run up in the lofts and workshops of our capital cities - for my money (not that I will be parting with it), this would include practically anything that is described as "conceptual". Lots of postings on the nature of art lately that I'm finding really interesting. Edward's comments on conceptual art (hi edward, welcome.) made me think of something: Conceptual art (actually much of contemporary art) needs a basic working knowledge of western art history in order to be understood fully. Think of John Cage. One can listen to his music and find it enjoyable, but to gain a full appreciation of it you need to know what has come before. The radical approaches and deconstructionist impulses would not be seen as nearly so unusual had the listener not been familiar with what was being revolted against. Same with visual art. Conceptual art, with it's lack of reliance on an art object, materials, craft, etc. and it's emphasis on ideas owes a great deal to how art had been concieved up to that point. It is in part a reaction to art as commodity and art as object. Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2001 01:51:47 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: RE: art:useful? Wally, You're buying American curios like Slinkies from a place in the Hamptons? I'll make you a deal. I will beat any price on Slinkies by... oh, 10% and throw in shipping for free. Deal? Would you like some electronic snapshots from the local "antique mall" where they sell stuff like that? They have TONS and I could really use the money! Only half kidding, Lama ** well, there is the place in the hamptons where i usually buy all these tchotchkes [stephen epstein: what is this place called? you know, the place where i bought my slinky and the bicycle thing] and they have all these gadgets and stuff that are not only useful but also beautiful in a very artistic way. but then, what do i know? i collect heinz jars... wallyK, who finds beauty in almost everything and art in almost anything. ** ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2001 #119 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she?