From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2001 #117 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Thursday, April 12 2001 Volume 2001 : Number 117 The 'Official' Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. Information on the 4th "Annual" New England JoniFest: http://www.jmdl.com/jfne2001.cfm The Joni Chat Room: http://www.jmdl.com/chat.cfm ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: hollywood bowl setlist [mags ] Re: hollywood bowl setlist [catman ] Re: hollywood bowl setlist [mags ] Re: hollywood bowl setlist [mags ] Re: Mo' Covers: Sweet #16... [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] I'm traveling in some vehicle ... ["Lori R. Fye" ] cover cd #8 (et al) [christopher blake ] Let's do the Lotto thang!! Free music 4U! [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Wally's lyrics, Joni, Shawn, the Beatles, and Depeche Mode (long) [asands] What I'd really like to ask Joni [Steve Polifka ] Joni & God ["P. Henry Boland" ] ODE/Joni fantasy ["BRIAN SYMES" ] imagine...the spark ["shane mattison" ] VLJC Art vs. Pop Culture [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: VLJC Art vs. Pop Culture [Don Rowe ] Re: Wally's lyrics, Joni, Shawn, the Beatles, and Depeche Mode (long) [C] Joni Mitchell: Out of the Quicksand [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] More Jazz Takes ["Michael Paz" ] KASHMIR [SAVtheWAVE@aol.com] Re: Joni Mitchell: Out of the Quicksand [catman ] Steve's concert database (VLJC) [Steve Dulson ] Laura Nyro ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2001 #116 [StDoherty@aol.com] Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2001 #116 [StDoherty@aol.com] Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2001 #116 [StDoherty@aol.com] Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2001 #116 [StDoherty@aol.com] Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2001 #116 [Coyote4Joni@aol.com] Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2001 #116 [Coyote4Joni@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 05:57:11 -0500 From: mags Subject: Re: hollywood bowl setlist Kate Bennett wrote: > Coyote Rick adds: Victor, you forgot Janis, who will be on hand to solo > Raised on Robbery. > Kate offered this wonderful thought: and also jimi will be there to play his > lovely song little wing & tell > us that yes he did indeed write it about joni & so she will sing harmony > with him on the choruses and Mags suggests: Eva Cassidy. > > > ******************************************** > Kate Bennett > www.katebennett.com > sponsored by Polysonics www.polysonics.com > Discover the Indies at Taylor Guitars: > http://www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/bennett.html > ******************************************** - -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- _~O / /\_, ___/\ /_ - ----------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 11:29:11 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: hollywood bowl setlist > and Mags suggests: Eva Cassidy. you'll need a medium..... > > > > > > > > ******************************************** > > Kate Bennett > > www.katebennett.com > > sponsored by Polysonics www.polysonics.com > > Discover the Indies at Taylor Guitars: > > http://www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/bennett.html > > ******************************************** > > -- > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > _~O > / /\_, > ___/\ > /_ > ----------------------------------------- - -- bw colin colin@tantra.fsbusiness.co.uk http://www.geocities.com/tantra_apso/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 06:47:15 -0500 From: mags Subject: Re: hollywood bowl setlist Yes Colin... I believe that all things are possible. love, Mags. catman wrote: > > > > > > and Mags suggests: Eva Cassidy. > > you'll need a medium..... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ******************************************** > > > Kate Bennett > > > www.katebennett.com > > > sponsored by Polysonics www.polysonics.com > > > Discover the Indies at Taylor Guitars: > > > http://www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/bennett.html > > > ******************************************** > > > > -- > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > _~O > > / /\_, > > ___/\ > > /_ > > ----------------------------------------- > > -- > bw > colin > > colin@tantra.fsbusiness.co.uk > http://www.geocities.com/tantra_apso/index.html - -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- _~O / /\_, ___/\ /_ - ----------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 08:03:49 -0500 From: mags Subject: Re: hollywood bowl setlist oops...meant to say Eva Cassidy performing Woodstock. sweet. mags wrote: > Kate Bennett wrote: > > > Coyote Rick adds: Victor, you forgot Janis, who will be on hand to solo > > Raised on Robbery. > > Kate offered this wonderful thought: and also jimi will be there to play his > > lovely song little wing & tell > > us that yes he did indeed write it about joni & so she will sing harmony > > with him on the choruses > > and Mags suggests: Eva Cassidy. > > > > > > > ******************************************** > > Kate Bennett > > www.katebennett.com > > sponsored by Polysonics www.polysonics.com > > Discover the Indies at Taylor Guitars: > > http://www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/bennett.html > > ******************************************** > > -- > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > _~O > / /\_, > ___/\ > /_ > ----------------------------------------- - -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- _~O / /\_, ___/\ /_ - ----------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 08:15:57 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Mo' Covers: Sweet #16... <> Well, I'll tell you what I know...my good friend and research assistant Gary Zack brought this one to my attention while browsing an ASCAP website using Joni as a search. Seems this was a song she co-wrote...like I said, I don't know if it was words, melody, some of both, or if she was just hanging around when somebody else wrote it and just got credit! :~) Simon confirmed the data and said it was legit. Philip, Irish soulman & hunter extraordinaire, provided me with the track. Since it *is* technically a song she wrote, even in part, and it's performed by another artist, I thought it worthy of inclusion in its oddity. Obviously, if anyone has more info about it, step up and blab! Meanwhile, I'll see what else I can find out...the net is an incredible source of info once you start digging deep... Bob NP: Laura Nyro, "Don't Hurt Child" (Very soothing, instantly likeable from her new/posthumous release - a must have for you Laura fans!) PS: I haven't forgotten about Del...he's comin' up on #17, papaya & all! ;~) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 06:00:39 -0700 (PDT) From: "Lori R. Fye" Subject: I'm traveling in some vehicle ... ... in particular, on the Metro train this morning, reading "The Camino" by Shirley MacLaine. Sitting next to me is a woman who is carrying a bunch of really beautiful flowers of several varieties. She pulls them from her briefcase where they had been resting upright while she read the paper, and holds them in her hand and admires them. I am also taken with the perfection of each flower. I am about to tell her how beautiful they are. As I turn to look at the woman, I realize she looks REMARKABLY like Joni! I'm rather dumbstruck and can't say much until we get to Gallery Place (how appropriate), where I inquire whether this is her stop. Of course it is ... What a nice way to start the day! Lori, wishing she had said, "You probably hear this all the time, but ..." in DC NP: Dar Williams (on Sonicnet) ~ Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 06:10:43 -0700 (PDT) From: christopher blake Subject: cover cd #8 (et al) good morning bob! great job on the cd's! i was so excited when i saw them when i got home yesterday. i haven't heard them all yet because i want to treat myself to some later but i couldn't help diving into several. the "seeds" is amazing. 'in france...' acoustic? i almost died (in a good way). after 'seeds' there are several extra tracks that sound the same as on another show that i received. if so, no biggee. just wanted to make sure the 'seeds' bonus tracks weren't supposed to be the extra covers is all. the cover #8. the neighborhood, i am guessing, weren't living life a la the rolling stones were they? 'amelia' was fantastic. it's so cool how the melody of 'both sides now' works in a foreign language. philly was great too. it was a great gift to hear something like 'yarrow'. i am going to do a bit of research to uncover the original title to this. i have several irish musician friends (i among them) and i think i can suss this one out. i am going to be embarrassed if that is the real title but my guess is that it is not. boy is this a long message! sorry 'bout that. it's just that you gave me so much with which to sing your praises bob. have an awesome day! chris(topher) Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 09:22:43 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Let's do the Lotto thang!! Free music 4U! OK, I suppose it's time to put on my Regis hat and announce yet another Lucky Lotto for Covers, Volume 16, 19 tracks, many rare and out of print...and yes, real people DO win, just ask Jack Merkel, who's been grooving on #15! All you gotta do is send me a private message with a 3-digit number. That's it. This month's number has been chosen at random by my lovely co-worker Elba Turner, who gave me a strange look when I asked her for it, but complied nonetheless... Anyway, the lotto is open to JMDLer's everywhere, all around the world, so let's have some guesses y'all!! I will close the ballots at midnight Saturday... Bob NP: Laura Nyro, (hidden track) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 09:40:02 -0400 From: asandstrom@macromedia.com Subject: Wally's lyrics, Joni, Shawn, the Beatles, and Depeche Mode (long) Wow, Wally. I really like the lyrics, but I can't piece together the song as a whole. It kind of reminds me of the way I think Shawn Colvin writes sometimes (So do Bob Dylan and Paul Simon). There are lines that really mean something at one point and then change meaning depending on the listener's current experience and mood. And different lines in a song can take on significant meaning at various times. I've always thought this way of writing is brilliant - I wish I could do it. So, the song is a real mosaic. OK, here's an example. In Shawn's "Polaroids" she starts out Please no more therapy Mother take care of me Piece me together with a needle and thread and before you know it, we've got Forests in Germany Kids in the Tuilleries Broken down fortresses in old Italy So, we've jumped from the first verse ("please don't mistreat me") to traveling around Europe. I haven't a clue what they have to do with one another, but somehow it works. I think that Joni actually doesn't write this way. She tells a story. Generally, you can point to her songs and say "oh, that's about this." Like Barangrill. Everything in the song fits into "what Joni observes as she see the world while traveling around ambivalent about the music business." Which brings me to my dream set list. I'd really like to hear Joni do some Shawn. I think it would be interesting. How would she interpret the lyrics.? And, since I'm rambling I'll weigh in on the Beatles (pop vs. art). I suspect that in another hundred years or so, the Beatles' music will be considered something like folk art. (not folk music, mind you) Kind of like songs from the American civil war period are now. However, (even though I'm actually not a Beatles fan) I have to admire the complexity and innovation in the harmony (melodies and harmonic structure, not harmony as in "put on a harmony") of their songs. Most pop songs are kind of like simple arithmetic. Beatles songs are more like complex geometry when you analyze their melodic and harmonic structure. And FWIW, Joni's songs are complex in a different way. So, I guess I'd have to say that both Joni and the Beatles fall more in the art category than the pop category. They're just different kinds of art. And, in the "music prejudics" category... I was driving home the other night when the announcer said "Here's somthing by Depeche Mode." Well, I had to turn on the windshield wipers at that moment, so I didn't change the station. Now, I've never actually heard anything by Depeche Mode, I just somehow got it in my head that I wouldn't like anything they did. Why? I dunno! Anyway, the song was GREAT! So, I guess I should learn, as my mother would say, "never assume." After all the talk lately, maybe I should give Bjork a listen? ... I said "maybe!"... :-) And, I've never heard anything by Yoko Ono either... (my impression is that she seems very urban - probably very much influenced by New York City - and very trendy. So, see, I've half made up my mind and yet I know that's not fair. So, if I wanted to get a real flavor for her work, what would be a good introduction? Finally, thank you everyone for all the birthday wishes! Even though not everyone always plays nice, you're still the best! lots of love Anne ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 09:04:23 -0500 From: Steve Polifka Subject: What I'd really like to ask Joni I've been 20 feet from her 3 times in my life but haven't had the chance to meet her, but if i did... 1. Woud you record my song 'Cobalt Blue'? 2. Would you like to write a song together? 3. Would you invite me to your next pot-luck get together? 4. May I have your autograph? 5. If I paid for planefare, would you show up at Asharafest? We wouldn't expect any singing or anything... ;-) Steve ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 10:31:06 EDT From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: Wally's lyrics, Joni, Shawn, the Beatles, and Depeche Mode (long) In a message dated 4/11/01 9:44:30 AM Eastern Daylight Time, asandstrom@macromedia.com writes: << And, I've never heard anything by Yoko Ono either... (my impression is that she seems very urban - probably very much influenced by New York City - and very trendy. So, see, I've half made up my mind and yet I know that's not fair. So, if I wanted to get a real flavor for her work, what would be a good introduction? >> Double Fantasy by Lennon and Ono ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 10:39:38 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Joni's smoking agenda?? One of the fun things about this covers project for me has been corresponding with non-JMDLer's around the world gathering information about recordings. Just this week I had a nice conversation with Boots Randolph about his cover of Both Sides Now...anyway, I got this message last night from a guy and thought I would pass it along. Don't know as I totally *believe* it based on what I've heard Joni say in interviews (and I certainly don't want to start a smoking thread! ;~D), just thought some of you would find it interesting... Bob "PS - Here is a bit of Joni trivia for you. A buddy of mine was a recording engineer in the seventies and got his start by assisting with the likes of The Byrds, The Flying Burrito Brothers, Dave Mason and many others including Joni Mitchell. My friend has always loved what he calls the "clarity" of her voice. (To give you an idea of how far back this goes, he worked with her during the period when she was hooked up with David Crosby.) The following piece of trivia may be common knowledge to a Joni fan like you, but here is what he once mentioned to me. He said that in her early days she was never satisfied with her lower vocal range. She was always wanting to sing deeper. So she chain smoked cigarettes and did so for many years." ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 10:00:19 -0500 From: Steve Polifka Subject: [none] >Wally Kairuz wrote: Subject: explain my song to me NJC >reading the lyrics of a song that i wrote 25 years ago, i >realized that i >didn't understand what the song was about anymore. does this >situation make >any sense to you folks? Hey Wally! I've been writing songs and poems for 28 years, and when I go back to the early years, I experience some of the same feelings about my old material. I think it means that we are growing and evolving. I'm very okay with not understanding or appreciating my old stuff. I like what I'm doing now! Be well, Steve Steve ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 02:15:19 +1000 From: "P. Henry Boland" Subject: Joni & God University of Delaware... Jewish Theology 101... Woodstock Lyrics required reading: http://udel.edu/~dsilver/phil367/Theologypage00.htm Get 250 color business cards for FREE! at Lycos Mail http://mail.lycos.com/freemail/vistaprint_index.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 10:53:21 -0700 From: "BRIAN SYMES" Subject: ODE/Joni fantasy "The Ode by Pyramus " was great. I was thinking about this getting read with a Joni song behind it. Like Allen Ginsburg reading Howl with Charlie Parker Boppin behind him. My Joni fantasy is Joni playing a Paprika Plains on a Baby Grand in my great room at my House, of course I would give The west coast JMDL a few days notice. Bye - ----------------------- Free Email Service provided to you by Office.com, a service from Winstar ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 12:29:24 -0600 From: "shane mattison" Subject: imagine...the spark i'm always running behind the time...just like this train getting my post at a quarter to three with the brakes complaining... clickety clack to the hollywood bowl and a bottle of french wine to drink thinkin' of the pleasure i had with the next days' reelin' read... i'm readin' rusty, kate and shea my reverie is wanting days when jaco showed, we were crazy with joy's laughter 'cause we found our hearts following after i found my heart... and she's over the kitchen sink and the songs come because some have to...they come unbidden...like old friends...remember me? remember me at the pink hotel? the sunset with the whale slappin' its tail and the conch shell billowing?new songs would come too... the bowl would take in the bidding twilite...with metheny teasing with his fingers..."there are some lines you put there...and some you erase"... and i pick up my humour again, for sometimes its only a distant friend who can point the way...like a message in a bottle...and then i can play again...patience... yes i would ask for don juan...but flowing, like debra said, into some new frontier of improvisation...a song about georgia o'keefe, maybe...or miles davis...or vangogh... ...and maybe jane siberry would improvise with her, and kate, and who of you? and maybe go saunterin' down with our wine...walking down venice and go hear tom waits into the wee hours... and metheny and shorter and i would end up standing on a beach cliff listening to the waves and the gulls... and reflect upon the ladies who sang that night... and some meaning, some peace beckons like a distant ship light on the horizon... thank you...a friend or two... patience... shane tom cat ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 14:41:51 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: VLJC Art vs. Pop Culture <> I dunno, Don...I would say there's a definite border in every aspect of art. The visual arts are not my strength, but I would say that Dogs playing poker, Velvet Elvises, and those spooky waifs with the big eyes are not done with "creative art" in mind but rather are done to make money, to make product, not to make an artistic statement. Are they pop culture? Certainly. Art? I would say no. Certainly in the realms of film & music, it would be hard to argue that the "pop" artists of the day (Backstreet Boys, Britney, Christina, etc) are anything other than simple tools used to sell product, talented though they may be. Pop music is just different in scope & purpose than most classical, jazz, and Joni. It all has it's place & purpose, and comparisons between the two are superfluous. Maybe that's why I was embarrassed for Joni to see her in that bracket for her Grammy. Likewise in film, there are directors and producers who seek to tell a story, to make an artistic statement. By the same token there are the ones who just set out to fill movie seats and sell tickets and popcorn. I'm glad we have them all. It's also nice when the two overlap, like you say..."Life Is Beautiful" would be a film that comes to mind, and "Court & Spark" would be an album, that achieves both artistic and pop culture success. But just because they CAN overlap and intersect doesn't mean that they *have to* by definition, or that the borders don't exist. Even Joni says that the success of C&S was a fluke, that where she was musically just happened to coincide with the zeitgeist. Certainly a topic worthy of discussion! Bob NP: Laura Nyro, "Sweet Dream Fade" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 12:00:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Don Rowe Subject: Re: VLJC Art vs. Pop Culture Sorry, but this discussion would be lacking without a quote from Ian Shoales of the Duck's Breath Home-Made Radio Theatre ... and one of my favorite SATIRISTS (just to we're clear) ;-) ... "So what is art? Art is a grant proposal. Let's say it's a video piece elaborately entitled 'A Times Meditation on the Physical World', or some other such grant-proposal doubletalk. The video artist fires off a letter to the Foundation, and gets a check back for $7,500. He spends a weekend shooting wax fruit from the underside of plate glass coffee table, dubs over some synthesizers and a monotone voice-over in French ... then blows the rest of the dough on cheap red jug wine so he can argue with his cronies whether imagism is decadent or not. There is no such thing as video 'art.' When are people going to realize the only thing television is good for is news, sports and game shows." Just had to share that! Don Rowe ===== Visit me anytime at http://www.mp3.com/donrowe Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 15:13:26 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Wally's lyrics, Joni, Shawn, the Beatles, and Depeche Mode (long) - --- asandstrom@macromedia.com wrote: > And, in the "music prejudics" category... I was > driving home the other night > when the announcer said "Here's somthing by Depeche > Mode." ... > After all the talk > lately, maybe I should give > Bjork a listen? ... I said "maybe!"... :-) LOL! I do that all the time! There are groups or individuals I *just decide* I'm not going to like for some weird reason, often because *everybody's* talking about them, and I don't like doing what *everybody's* doing (just to be ornery). I'll confess my main reason for avoiding Bjork is I have no idea how to pronounce her name (like, you go into a record store, and you want to ask, "Do you have anything by.... Bork? Beeyork? Bajork?"), people in the media keep describing her as "elfin" (which I'm sure she must hate - I would!) and I also have this thing about people who go by only one name. It seems kind of pretentious to me, but I guess she can get away with it because there probably aren't a lot of Bjorks around! Anyway, it's just a stupid prejudice, I guess. People with first names like Catherine usually have to use their last names all the time, so I'm just jealous. > > And, I've never heard anything by Yoko Ono either... > (my impression is that > she seems very urban - probably very much influenced > by New York City - and > very trendy. To me, Yoko Ono's music is more like vocal art than singing. Certainly not to everyone's taste, but she's not the antichrist either. I don't know if I'd call her trendy - trend-setting, maybe. Have you ever listened to the little sound-bites that you can get from the various on-line CD places, like CDNow and so on? It would give you a hint, but unfortunately the snips aren't always long enough to get a true flavour of how anyone really sounds. (Now that I have a computer at home with sound, I'm checking out a lot of this stuff, and just recently discovered how easy - and fast - it is to copy music onto your PC, and can't wait to buy some CD RWs to go the other way; then maybe I can become a branch of some tree somewhere; but I'm getting ahead of myself here. One step at a time). Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 16:14:46 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Joni Mitchell: Out of the Quicksand This is a great interview, but be prepared, it's lengthy (but well worth it!) Never knew that Joni originally envisioned TTT with only her and Brian Blade... http://209.144.99.11/users/rug/archive/win_96/feat14_2/JONI1.HTM ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 15:21:41 -0500 From: "Michael Paz" Subject: More Jazz Takes Hello Gang- I have been listening to David Lahm's new CD for over two weeks now and have been trying to get around to posting about it. I have my cd player programmed to listen to it in the order ( 1, 9,11,10,2, 8, 5, 6, 3, 4, 7) that he David had intended it to be sequenced before (I assume) the record company got involved, but I digress. The real charm of this record is that it boasts 4 original David Lahm tunes. I had only heard one of them before which is Wayne Swirled, that Lahm performed live in New Orleans last year at JoniFest2000 New Orleans. One of the amazing things about the record is listening to these original jazz compositions right next to the compositions of folk singer/singer-songwriter, Joni Mitchell (ok now my tongue is FIRMLY planted in cheek we all know she is worldwide musically). Unlike the first record where he picked more tunes that were pre Joni's established Jazz era like Fiddle and The Drum, Blonde in the Bleachers, etc., Dave picked some real jazz gems for this record. On both records though I think it shows that even Joni's pre-jazz era shows that here whole approach to music was one that was radically different than most of her all of her contemporary songwriters. The BEST thing on this new record is Ladies of the Canyon which he plays as a solo piece and it is simply beautiful. I had the honour of having David as a guest in my home not once but twice and we were treated to him playing solo piano right in our very own living room. I was able to jam with him as well and also here him with several of my favorite JMDL vocalists, but then I keep digressing yet again. For whatever reason David chooses not to feature his piano playing more prominently in the recordings, this would be my only complaint about the Jazz/Joni series recordings. If there is a new Lahm production in the works I would love to hear MORE piano from a very fine player. With this said, David's ability to take a back seat on his own recordings is truly amazing. His arrangements allow his very gifted sideman to shine through to beautiful results. Of all of his original songs included in this set I favour San Diego Holiday for the sheer joy that jumps out of this recording. My favorite arrangement for the band of the Joni songs, is In France They Kiss On Mainstreet. Jason Marsalis Band did this one at JoniFest here and I was blown away by his arrangement, but David's arrangement takes it alot farther especially in the area of bass. Great playing and really interesting textures of tone and sound. This one really swings! The band really stretchs things out here and it is wonderful execution as an ensemble. Another of my faves from the Joni collection is Offnight Backstreet. Her version is amazing and I have wanted to cover it myself for years, but can't find the groove between my heart, left and right brain, mouth, and hands. David's treatment here is more of a ballad than Joni's approach and it works beautifully. The melody shines through more prominently and the horns are really sweet on this one. Woodstock has two versions the album opener and the final cut radio (clean) version. I guess the language and phrasing was just too much for modern day radio (just kidding!). Don Juan's Restless Daughter from the era when Joni was so deep into the jazz thing with Jaco, Pat, et al. is a natural for this band. The interplay between the horn instruments is extremely well done and the rhythm section holds up a swinging groove for this interplay to just fly. I really like the mute trumpet part in this song (which I assume is Randy Brecker). The horn section on Walk This Way (another Lahm original) is once again stellar you can almost feel them grinning on this one. The joy just shines out. Brecker's solo here is sheer excellence (and you know we got some trumpet players around New Orleans. This guy could hang in the birthplace of jazz and we would welcome him with open arms). The Silky Veils of Ardor is another beautiful piece that leans nods towards the ballad approach. I love Ron Vincent's hands on approach to the drums on this one. This is truly another beautiful piece and had we had an independent NON BIAS producer we might have turned up the piano player in the mix more. Vibeca the final Lahm original on the album boasts a really cool bass solo by Ratso Harris. Brazilian feel always does it for me, if you want the keys to the city you should add more percussion and maybe a gut string guitar. Black Crow is as straight jazz as you can get and the interplay between the horns again is swinging. I would love to see David tour this stuff as well as the first record. Hearing him live in New Orleans with a pick up band was So much fun and his arrangements I think go over very well with a live audience and would be great in jazz clubs like Snug Harbor that we have here in New Orleans. While I am wishing for stuff like this (and Joni playing piano on tour again). I wish David would do a record with other instruments besides the regular saxes, trumpets as lead instruments. There are still tons more Joni songs you could do some more arrangements for and take a few wild turns. More solo piano stuff as well! But hey David don't go changing just to please US, we love you just the way you are. I hope you ALL go out and buy this new record and the first Jazz Takes on Joni Mitchell if you don't have them AND I hear he is hosting a JoniFest in NYC on Memorial Day weekend which we want to hear more details about what's going on at Judy's Chelsea. I wish I could be there, but it is still doubtful due to family obligations (if it were just my job I would blow it off, but my kids have to come first).Anyways, I have gone on long enough, check this record out for your own selves and enjoy the music. Cheers David and I hope you do great with this one. Peace Michael NP-Wayne Swirled ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 16:27:28 EDT From: SAVtheWAVE@aol.com Subject: KASHMIR I am just in ( last night ) from visiting London and all the JMDLers that met for what was a nice evening at the Kashmir Klub and it was a pleasure and a joy to meet all that attended. Wish I could remember all that were there, Paul, Les, Rob, Martin, Jacky, her daughter ( briefly ) and Azeem ( is it?). I know I have left a couple of names out, but am still trying to get my legs back and my sense of time being back in the U.S. What a wonderful evening listening to several groups of very talented musicians. The venue was terrific, sort of what I expected to find in London; a basement type arena, very tightly packed with people and same cavelike alcoves for those that wanted to tuck themselves away for a more intimate evening. We had a great table, so close to the stage and meeting all of those from the list from so far away is always a nice memory, one that I will be happy to keep for many years. Thanks to Martin and Jackie for arranging it all. I think London would be a terrific place to have a Joni Fest with people from all over the world. I couldn't help but feel like I was going to attending a People's Party, fumbling deaf, dumb and blind until I got there and found so many super people, most unknown to one another and just having a common denominator ( Joni ) made me feel bonded somewhat. Thanks to you all. Joe ( in Rhode Island ) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 21:57:00 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: Joni Mitchell: Out of the Quicksand Thanks for posting this. An interesting article. I didn't understand most of it(not understanding tunings etc) but came away thinking it explained why she sounds so different live. I also like her guts tho I can imagine it would irritate some. I liked what she had to say about 'hip' too, having never been part of the herd myself! I would think it must be very painful for Joni to get passed over the way she does because of people's prejudices. I also now feel a little guilty for liking DED so much! It is apparent she doesn't like it much! Did I mention already the other day that I think the intro to Emtpy is like the intro to Floyd's Money? SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: > This is a great interview, but be prepared, it's lengthy (but well worth it!) > > Never knew that Joni originally envisioned TTT with only her and Brian Blade... > > http://209.144.99.11/users/rug/archive/win_96/feat14_2/JONI1.HTM - -- bw colin colin@tantra.fsbusiness.co.uk http://www.geocities.com/tantra_apso/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 17:13:54 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: More Jazz Takes Great review, Michael...I'm gonna have to go check on my special order and see what's keeping my copy!! I may have to open up a can of whupass on Gene, the guy who runs the store! :~) And this tribute news flash just in: Besides the Reprise Joni tribute, it looks like a bunch of indies are gonna be putting out a special tribute to "Blue" this year! I don't have much in the way of details, but I'll share info as I get it... Bob NP: Al Jarreau, "Better Than Anything" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 15:12:52 -0700 From: Steve Dulson Subject: What I'd really like to ask Joni One of those "other" Steve's wrote: > 5. If I paid for planefare, would you show up at Asharafest? Careful, Steve! When The Old Town School flew her from LA to Chicago for a benefit, she insisted on a private jet. The $$$ are in the archives somewhere. The (then) director of the school says that he gets really nice Christmas cards from the charter company. :) - -- ######################################################## Steve Dulson Costa Mesa CA steve@psitech.com "The Tinker's Own" http://www.tinkersown.com "Southern California Dulcimer Heritage" http://www.cpmusic.com/scdh "The Living Tradition Concert Series" http://www.thelivingtradition.org/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 15:27:53 -0700 From: Steve Dulson Subject: Steve's concert database (VLJC) OK, fellow music sluts! After some private inquiries, I have put my concert database, that supreme example of anal-retentiveness, on-line at Quickbase at: https://www.quickbase.com/db/6yw6x5gv?act=q&qid=5 It's sorted alphabetically by artist, and is searchable. Quickbase has scrambled the artist's appearance dates, so those are out-of-sequence, but figure-out-able. (Anyone with any Quickbase experience now how to fix this?) Fields are: Sequence of shows (that artist) Artist Venue City Date Rating (1 to 5, with an asterisk being a plus) Who I went with (or encountered there) You can look for your favorite (or least) artist, and see if I've seen 'em and if so what I thought. (Check out all the Joni shows.) Some minor interpretive work can tell you a lot about my dating days, too. :) All the best! - -- ######################################################## Steve Dulson Costa Mesa CA steve@psitech.com "The Tinker's Own" http://www.tinkersown.com "Southern California Dulcimer Heritage" http://www.cpmusic.com/scdh "The Living Tradition Concert Series" http://www.thelivingtradition.org/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 15:27:45 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Laura Nyro >>NP: Laura Nyro, "Don't Hurt Child" (Very soothing, instantly likeable from her new/posthumous release - a must have for you Laura fans!)<<< Haven't heard this yet but my friend & extraordinary guitar player Jeff Pevar played on four of these tracks ... ******************************************** Kate Bennett www.katebennett.com sponsored by Polysonics www.polysonics.com Discover the Indies at Taylor Guitars: http://www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/bennett.html ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 19:40:30 EDT From: StDoherty@aol.com Subject: Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2001 #116 In a message dated 4/11/01 3:18:08 AM Eastern Daylight Time, les@jmdl.com writes: << an jokes: Would you consider your song, 'Chuck E.'s In Love', autobiographical? And if it is, is 'Chuck E.' black? Gay? Nice Miyake- did you get it new? Do you and Bjork ever share clothing? Rick writes: This absolutely cracks me up, Jan. I am laughing so hard here in Jackson, MS. The funniest one yet. More levity, PLEASE! Coyote Rick Casa Alegre Hollywood, California >> Me too! And if Joni were to play her own records ... what might they be? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 19:42:47 EDT From: StDoherty@aol.com Subject: Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2001 #116 In a message dated 4/11/01 3:18:08 AM Eastern Daylight Time, les@jmdl.com writes: << To all concerned listers: Why should a person get away with attempting to censor free thoughts no different than many before it; personalizing insults over something they totally misunderstood at the same time. If it was you what would you do. Then they take a private post, selectively edit it to their own purposes, and make false accusations about "threats" that never happened. To not respond is to allow such defamatory stuff to go unanswered. My suggestion is that all those who want to ignore the entire matter to do so. Delete it. On the other hand you might want to read it. This is an opportunity to lessen these kinds of things but people have to know what happened. I have up until the most recent posts allowed much to be said and assumed without public response. This last thing claimed however i dont think should go unanswered. Those who know me I welcome your advice and input.Trust that I have no intention of making the issue bigger and hurling more personal counterstatements. I think it is time f! ! or clarity of the general issue. I would be more than happy to first send it to L es and let him vette it prior to me posting it. marcel deste >> Im sure I missed something, but this just isn't fun. The Joni questions .. now that is. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 19:43:53 EDT From: StDoherty@aol.com Subject: Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2001 #116 In a message dated 4/11/01 3:18:08 AM Eastern Daylight Time, les@jmdl.com writes: << Subject: Ode to Joni >> Very nice ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 19:44:44 EDT From: StDoherty@aol.com Subject: Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2001 #116 In a message dated 4/11/01 3:18:08 AM Eastern Daylight Time, les@jmdl.com writes: << I want to hear the music again. I want to hear Joni. I want my friends to stop driving each other out of the JMDL. (the Rev) Vince >> Well put! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 20:56:24 EDT From: Coyote4Joni@aol.com Subject: Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2001 #116 I am so confused. Coyote Rick (all time poster of late) Casa Alegre Hollywood, California ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 21:02:02 EDT From: Coyote4Joni@aol.com Subject: Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2001 #116 In a message dated 04/11/2001 4:54:35 PM Pacific Daylight Time, StDoherty@aol.com writes: Rev Writes: Want to hear the music again. I want to hear Joni. I want my friends to stop driving each other out of the JMDL. Coyote assures: We're still here Vince, are you? Coyote Rick (the damnedest poster of late -- and British too! I think!) ya, ya, ya You got it. ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2001 #117 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she?