From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2001 #115 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Tuesday, April 10 2001 Volume 2001 : Number 115 The 'Official' Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. Information on the 4th "Annual" New England JoniFest: http://www.jmdl.com/jfne2001.cfm The Joni Chat Room: http://www.jmdl.com/chat.cfm ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Shawn Phillips ["Paul Castle" ] Re: This list [mags ] RE: Shawn Phillips ["Deb Messling" ] Re: what would you ask Joni? ["Sue Cameron" ] more on shawn phillips ["Deb Messling" ] Joni Mitchell - Jazz Singer ["Deb Messling" ] Joni Hall of Fame Article [Sheila Mulhern ] Re: Joni Hall of Fame Article [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: "wearing weeds" [christopher blake ] our differeing tastes [Tyler Hewitt ] Re: Survivor No More [Rusty10113@aol.com] Re: our differeing tastes [IVPAUL42@aol.com] Mo' Covers: Sweet #16... [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Bjorko Ono [Tyler Hewitt ] Re: Mo' Covers: Sweet #16... [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Some thoughts [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Keb Mo' does Joni!! [JRMCo1@aol.com] Re: Some thoughts [Dflahm@aol.com] Tanglewood [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: our differeing tastes [Catherine McKay ] Blame it all on Smoe [Les Irvin ] RE: This list ["Wally Kairuz" ] Re: Mo' Covers: Sweet #16... [Catherine McKay ] Re: Blame it all on Smoe [catman ] Re: our differeing tastes [catman ] Re: Blame it all on Smoe ["Kakki" ] Three Dog night [Relayer211@aol.com] Re: Bjorko Ono [IVPAUL42@aol.com] Joni's autobiography [Relayer211@aol.com] Re: This list ["Kakki" ] Re: Three Dog night [Gary Zack ] Re: Three Dog night [Coyote4Joni@aol.com] Re: Blame it all on Smoe [Coyote4Joni@aol.com] What I'd really love to ask Joni. [Richard Rice ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 10:28:00 +0100 From: "Paul Castle" Subject: Shawn Phillips Came across this yesterday - Shawn Phillips http://www.flash.net/~nona1/pastcons.html (scroll down) >...During the next six years, Phillips showed Joni Mitchell how > to play the guitar, co-wrote Donovan's Sunshine Superman > album, roomed with Tim Hardin, starred in a movie called, > Run With The Wind and became the original lead singer for > the Broadway musical, Jesus Christ Superstar. This is news to me - can anyone shed any light on this ? PaulC (back on Friday) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2001 05:42:30 -0500 From: mags Subject: Re: This list note: yes this is long, yes this is deliberately sent to the whole list. And yes this is going to be one of Mags' heartfelt posts , so if anyone wants out now, you should hit that delete button now . and yes i broke the etiquette of printing this above Hells post..sorry about that Hell. ... easier in this moment to just write. Your post certainly has propelled me out of a sense of not knowing what to say . You have inspired me to jump out of my silence and share some of my thoughts. Hell, I have also grown to love this list. I have been blessed with the love and friendship shared with very special people around the world. It was here that my Brian found me. It was here that I have made many, many connections with friends who I love dearly, who have become my brothers and sisters, who have taught me to lean, to trust, to love. In the face of your news Hell, I feel compelled to share some of what I felt when I joined this community a year ago. I was going through some very difficult, trying times personally. On the edge of major changes in my life, I needed to find "me" again. Part of the "finding me" standing up to the dragon and saying enough. I wouldnt be controlled or hurt anymore. I needed my life back. So there I was in my kitchen on a glorious spring morning last April, sitting, staring at the screen. I took a deep breath, and typed in two words "Joni Mitchell". I decided to reconnect to the woman whose music has been much of a life line to me through the loss of my son to many other challenges. Understatement, it was a big deal for me to come back to Joni, back to the garden. I walked into a "room" filled with people who knew each other well. People from all over the world, from so many different spaces and places in their lives joined together to joke, tease, laugh together, touch hearts, touch souls. Within the first week of my being here, I saw Clark create that wonderful April Fools joke which got us all going. I heard from Jimmy and Bob and Ashara and many many others greeting with me a warmth that I was and continue to be touched by. As you know, Joni didnt come to Canada on her tour last year, so I watched from the wings. Didnt even get to see the tribute here, so I lived it through all of you. I took in each and every post like it was some long drink of water after my days in the desert. It was wonderful to read, in great detail, the experiences so generously shared. And then my "Joni" collection started...a BSN programme, tapes and tapes and more tapes! and Cds and tapes and videos and laughter and tapes and community and.... more tapes. There were dream stories, BSN stories, Mendel stories, love stories and every other kind of Joni story you could ever imagine. Stories shared here got us all going with the possibility Joni....of meeting Joni herself, of seeing Joni herself, of sharing cigarette space with Joni herself. It did not take long at all for me to feel that I was no longer an outsider. I felt very much at home. I have seen us share survival stories together, some openly, some behind the scenes. I have seen us support one another. The courage of Anne Sandstrom comes to mind immediately. God, remember how we all responded to Asharas private post to come together as friends and family? Ashara asked us to gather up CDs, tshirts, hats, cards, Joni mementoes..anything to help Anne get through those terrible, trying days of her chemo. And Ashara. Our Ashara our angel and earth mama who is very much one of the tent pegs that keeps us standing strong. And then there are the countless ones who do so much for us on the sidelines. You know who you are. Appreciation goes out to you beyond words. So many of us do our bit to keep the wheels turning, all for the love of Joni, and each other. I have seen and felt and heard us grieve together in the face of losing those close to us as a community. I came on the scene here just after Wally died and I read about how his loss was deeply felt. I know first hand how hard it was on all of us to learn the shocking, terrible news about Kenny last fall, only short weeks after we held him in our arms. We shared hugs, songs, laughter and late, late hours with him at Ashara's . Remember? Kenny knew each and ever single word of Joni's songs. Every one. And oh how he loved us all. Brian and I received and continue to receive support and concern and caring for what he went through this year as he faced a triple bypass which literally saved his life. You, this wonderful Joni community, family, friends were and continue to be an integral part of his healing, whether you know this or not. Only weeks later did Jack, one of our resident artists undergo the same thing, so there was another opportunity to reach out and give support and receive the gift of his friendship. I even have a separate folders filled with stories shared with Brian, Joni stories, Anne Sandstrom stories, "bypass Jack stories" , Kenny Grant stories, all of which I read from time to time to remind me how very precious this life is. I want to savour it all. We support each other because we care. It is what we do. Ive seen this over and over again here. We get excited about a gathering that is six months away because the spirit of the last one still resounds loud and clear in our hearts. I remember the butterflies-in-our-stomachs squealing excitement of seeing who was on the other side of Ashara's door...the anticipation is incredible! We support, we care, we love, we reach out, we agree, we disagree, we digress. We allow people to come close to us for perhaps the first time ever. We let each other in on our private lives. I have been inspired by how much this community cares. This place has changed lives and given a sense of hope to those in need. I have seen that time and time again. Endless stories of compassion and concern. You know what I am talking about. The love and caring of this community is very real. I even felt safe enough to share stories of my own Little Green . Hell, you have given so much to our Joni community with your humour, insight, intelligence. You have generously shared Kiwi music. You sent a couple of tapes which I know took a lot of time, effort and energy to put together, at no cost to me, and you asked for nothing in return. You give out of the generosity of your heart with a desire to share the music of your community and your life. I was so touched as I read pages and pages that you had written on each and every artist on the tape. You gave such wonderful insight to musicians I never would have heard of otherwise. I appreciate so much the fact that you so enthusiastically took the time to go into indepth explanation/description, relaying just why you felt this way or that about an artist. I want you to know that you will be missed. You and your wonderful humour and all of your contributions vis a vis music, your stories about anything and everything. I just wanted to say how very sad I am that you have decided to unsub. I am sorry it has come to this. I really am. I have taken the liberty to make this very much JC because I feel it affects all of us, the whole list. Mags. hell wrote: > I joined this list for two reasons. > > 1. To find and share information about Joni Mitchell, my favourite > singer/songwriter/artist/poet. > 2. To make the acquaintance of people around the world. > > Since I've joined, I've achieved both those goals, and since the split into > NJC and Joni-Only, I've discovered lots of great new music (eg. Jonatha > Brooke), books, authors, actors, movies, etc., and I've had some wonderful > (and intelligent) discussions on some incredibly varied subjects. I've > loved this list and believe I've made some real friends here. It always > seemed a place where opinions were valued, not denigrated. > > But recently every second post seems to be someone attacking someone else's > opinion - and Marcel's post on Bjork, whether you liked it or not, was still > just his opinion, expressed as he felt was his right - then it's someone > else defending the original post, then someone else defending the opposer, > etc., etc., etc. I'm sick and tired of wading through my daily mail, for > the 10-20% of posts that are actually constructive. I've used my delete key > more than the scroll key lately, which annoys me considerably. > > Seems like we've lost track of what we're about, and I don't think we can > any longer claim to be "the nicest, friendliest discussion list on the > 'net." > > This being the case, I'm unsubbing for a while, until people can accept that > not every opinion will be the same as theirs, and that yes, sometimes people > may write something that someone else finds offensive. The answer (and I've > said it before recently, but maybe it was missed in the deluge of "I don't > like what you said" posts) is the delete key. For God's sake, if you were > in a room of 600 people, would you agree with and/or even like every person? > I don't think so, so why should you expect it here!? > > I'll be back but it might be a while. Maybe when I return, people will have > worked out how to be civil to each other again, and be a little more > accepting of the fact that we're all very different, and only united by one > thing. Joni. > > Helen > ____________________________ > "To have great poets, there must be > great audiences too." - Walt Whitman > > hell@ihug.co.nz > Visit the NBLs (Natural Born Losers) at: > http://www.nbls.co.nz - -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- _~O / /\_, ___/\ /_ - ----------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 07:05:24 -0400 From: "Deb Messling" Subject: RE: Shawn Phillips In the Borders Crossing article, soon to be posted on the JMDL web site, Joni doesn't say SP taught her guitar, but says he's the first person she ever met who had written a song, and she found that "intriguing and exotic." This was the first I ever heard of it. A search on Shawn Phillips on the JMDL article site yielded nothing. > >...During the next six years, Phillips showed Joni Mitchell how > > to play the guitar, > This is news to me - can anyone shed any light on this ? - ----------------------------------- Deb Messling "I like cats. They give the home a heartbeat." ~Joni Mitchell - ----------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2001 07:39:06 -0400 From: "Sue Cameron" Subject: Re: what would you ask Joni? This is funny. Those of us who have met her and ended up stumbling for words (or yelling out silly things that they later regreted) wish we had a second chance. My question to Joni would be "What makes you laugh?" This would be interesting to me as she seems to have a good sense of humor but what exactly is it that sets her off? Good Monday morning to all! Back to school for me after Break :-( Sue Cameron NP: Pearl Jam - Jeremy ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 07:44:19 -0400 From: "Deb Messling" Subject: more on shawn phillips On a Shawn Phillips fan site, I saw this: Shawn gave Joni Mitchell some early guitar lessons, when she was a waitress, at the Louis Riel Coffee House, in Saskatoon, Saskatchewan. She was already fairly comfortable with the instrument, but wanted to learn more about Shawn's 12 string technique, and playing in general. Shawn was booked there for almost a whole week, so they did have time to get to know each other. - ----------------------------------- Deb Messling "I like cats. They give the home a heartbeat." ~Joni Mitchell - ----------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 08:04:09 -0400 From: "Deb Messling" Subject: Joni Mitchell - Jazz Singer Somebody's selling a Japanese promo LP called "Joni Mitchell - Jazz Singer" that includes the following songs: Twisted, Coyote, Black Crow, Blue Motel Room, Talk to Me, Harrys House, Centerpiece, Dreamland, Jericho, Good Bye Pork Pie Hat. Interesting that Joni was packaged like that. I don't know the date. - ----------------------------------- Deb Messling "I like cats. They give the home a heartbeat." ~Joni Mitchell - ----------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2001 09:26:47 -0400 From: Sheila Mulhern Subject: Joni Hall of Fame Article I am looking for the full the full length New York Times article by Stephen Holden bashing the Rock n' Roll Hall of Fame entitled "Too Feminine for Rock? Or is Rock Too Macho?" in support of Mitchell being inducted into the Hall in '97. Anyone have a copy? Merci, Sheila ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2001 10:07:42 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni Hall of Fame Article Sheila, Maybe it's this one, called "The Ambivalent Hall of Famer" from the database... http://www.jmdl.com/articles/docs/961201nyt.cfm ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 07:41:51 -0700 (PDT) From: christopher blake Subject: Re: "wearing weeds" - --- Gordon Mackie wrote: > Christopher > > Just took this from the website...I was right > > > LADIES OF THE CANYON > > Trina wears her wampum beads > She fills her drawing book with line > Sewing lace on widows' weeds > And filigree on leaf and vine > Vine and leaf are filigree > And her coat's a secondhand one > Trimmed with antique luxury > She is a lady of the canyon > > Well what can I say > > Regards > > Gordon joni's "widows' weeds" is very interesting. it is only the second time then that i have run across the term. and joni does use it in the same sense as dickens. i still remain curious as to the origin of the mourning ritual. i wonder if joni picked it up from the same source i did, or is it common knowledge and i, again, am the last to know... peace - christopher. Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 09:19:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Tyler Hewitt Subject: our differeing tastes such a split opinion over Bjork! I've already given my opinion, so enough of that. I find it interesting that while I assume that everyone on this list appreciates an in-tune vocal, there seems to be wide opinion on what that actually constitutes. My friend Deb in michigan is a musician, sings in a choir, is on at least 1 commercially available cd (a recording of Tchaikovsky's The Snow Maiden with the Detroit Symphony Orch.), plays piano, has a degree in music, and loves Bjork's voice (she also loves Joni, XTC, and introduced me to Nick Drake about 12 years ago). She should know an in tune vocal! My partner, who when we met listened almost exclusevly to classical music, and after 8 years together has actually grown to like a little (very little) pop/rock, also likes Bjork (He really likes Both Sides Now as well, but doesn't have the patience for other Joni). My point is that an argument can be made for Bjork actually being in tune! She has a really unusual style, which is what people find hard to digest. This will get some peoples' blood pressure up, but two names spring to mind for me when I think of BAD vocalists (outside of the obvious like Mrs. Miller): Fiona Apple and Stevie Nicks. Stevie has been around a lot longer and is harder to ignore, so I'll pick on her. I just cannot see the appeal there at all. She sounds like she's in pain when she sings! Horrid, irritating rasping with no apperant knowlwdge of what constitutes tonality. I read once that the reason she did that duet with Tom Petty is that when Tom was teaching her the song, she didn't know how to sing a melody with someone, and kept lapsing into harmony. Which may point to her skills as a harmonist, but also says something about her lack of ability. I lived next to a small wood full of feral cats a few years ago. Every time I would hear them maiting (which was often in the summer) i would comment "Oh, Stevie Nicks is in the backyard again!" ok, enough of that. Gotta go to work sooner or later! Tyler NP: 3 Mustaphas 3-Shopping Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 12:41:36 EDT From: Rusty10113@aol.com Subject: Re: Survivor No More Well, a sad day, as I've just discovered Joni was voted off Rolling Stone's Survivor island on April 6th... well, at least she lasted longer than Jennifer Lopez, Britney Spears and Christina Aguilera! M ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 13:02:44 EDT From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: our differeing tastes In a message dated 4/9/01 12:23:36 PM Eastern Daylight Time, tahewitt@yahoo.com writes: << My point is that an argument can be made for Bjork actually being in tune! She has a really unusual style, which is what people find hard to digest. >> No more unusual or hard to digest than Yoko, whom Bjork seems to emulate more than anyone else I can think of. Paul I ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2001 13:48:57 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Mo' Covers: Sweet #16... Speaking of different strokes for different folks... It's another month, which means another volume to be released in wonderful wacky and weird world of Joni covers! Volume 16 is complete and is ready to be shared with any and all interested parties, let me start with the usual thanks to those who made it happen: Lindsay Monica Philip Stephen E. in NYC Jacky & me Now, let's have a look at the treats INSIDE the box, shall we... 1. Hoyt Axton, "He Played Real Good For Free" We all know Hoyt as the author of "Joy to the World" as well as many other classic rock songs. He's a friend of Joni's, I recall seeing a pic of him & Joni together. Anyway, this is a nice classic country version of this one with some nice fiddle! 2. The P.D.U.S.M., "Urge For Going" Boy, is this one obscure! I can't find out anything about this bunch, except that this is off a 45 record that came out in 1967! It has a classic "girl group" sound to it, everytime I hear it I think they're going to sing: I had a man in summertime, my folks were always putting him down....down... 3. Jane Michel, "Woodstock" Woodstock covers are interesting, because generally the artist imitates the CSNY hit or the Mathews Southern Comfort hit. Jane is one of the few who stays true to Joni's original release with electric piano and the yodel at the end. 4. Jane Michel, "Both Sides Now" And this one is pretty much a rehash of Collins' cover, still very enjoyable on its own merits. 5. Lisa Yves, "The Dry Cleaner From Des Moines" 6. Lisa Yves, "Twisted" These two are from Lisa's project called "Everybody's Boppin'", and are very cool because all the instruments on the tracks are played by kids, none older than 14. Before you diss it, let me tell you, these kids can swing. I think they must have snuck out of their rooms at night and ventured down to the Cotton Club or something! Very enjoyable... 7. Lydia van Dam, "Black Crow" What more can be said about Lydia? Her renditions of Joni's songs are unique & beautiful, and this one is no exception. I'm a Sweet Sucker for a Hejira cover anyway, and Lydia adds some vocalese to portray the crow flying. 8. Bev Hanson, "Both Sides Now" Bev & her little trio are probably playing at a Holiday Inn lounge near you. Also available for weddings and Bar Mitzvahs. 9. Vera Haime, "You Turn Me On, I'm A Radio" Another entry from the recent UK tribute, I found this one to be a little lackluster only because they don't try to bring anything new to it. Her voice is good enough, and the musicians are all capable, but it seems more like product than praise. 10. Michael Ball, "River" Another pretty version of this pretty song. Really hard to botch unless you pull a Billy Squier and just make up words as you go along... 11. Mary O'Hara, "Both Sides Now" Mary is a harpist by trade, and she adds her vocals to this track. Sorta Julie Andrews-ish... 12. Kennedy, "Urge For Going" Speaking of fiddles, here's a gorgeous version of UFG performed by the classic violinist alongside other rockin' tunes by Mozart, Handel, etc. This one is simply beautiful! 13. O.C. Smith, "Just Couldn't Help Myself" What? Joni co-wrote this song, I'm not sure if she wrote the music or lyrics, but I'm betting the music, because it has a real Court and Spark soul-jazz-pop kind of feel to it, the same type of soul flavor that 'Help Me' has... 14. Jeff Buckley, "People's Parties" Recorded on 12/31/95 at Sin-E, this is a rough & ragged live version that is nonetheless very enjoyable if only in terms of the love that Jeff shows for the song by its spontaneous inclusion in his set. Very rare, and thanks to Philip for digging it up! 15. Jeanne McDonald - "Both Sides Now" Jeanne is a Broadway crooner (I think), and offers up an original arrangement of the old warhorse here. 16. Singers Unlimited - "Chelsea Morning" This one's a true original, done in that peppy near-accapella style of the Singers. Someday I hope to see Patrick Leader & the Patrick Leader dancers do a full choreographed version! 17. P.M. Dawn, "Night In The City" This is a special radio mix of their contribution to the official Reprise tribute CD. Maybe it can tie you over til the real thing comes along. It is sweet, PMD bring their hip-hop rhythmic sensibility to this song and all of a sudden the 30-plus year-old tune is brand spanking new! 18. Jody Miller, "Urge For Going" This was cool because I had a hard time tracking it down, and Jody herself came to my aid! It must be that *all* Jodys are cool people. This is a very nice country version, most likely inspired by Hamilton's cover. 19. Peggy Chew, "Sweet Sucker Dance" Wow! This one's very cool! You think SSD is an easy song to cover, go ahead and give it your best shot! The intervals are tricky, the melody is tricky, and Peggy gets 2 thumbs up and extra points for difficulty. Whew! 19 tracks of Joni-inspired joy on one CD! Thanks again to all of you who contribute and support this project! Bob ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 11:12:18 -0700 (PDT) From: Tyler Hewitt Subject: Bjorko Ono To be honest, I really like Yoko Ono too. Her Plastc Ono Band album realy rocks! I don't see any similarity of style between Bjork and Yoko, however. Tyler - --- IVPAUL42@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 4/9/01 12:23:36 PM Eastern > Daylight Time, > tahewitt@yahoo.com writes: > > << My point is that an argument can be made for > Bjork > actually being in tune! She has a really unusual > style, which is what people find hard to digest. >> > > No more unusual or hard to digest than Yoko, whom > Bjork seems to emulate more > than anyone else I can think of. > > Paul I Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2001 14:14:33 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Mo' Covers: Sweet #16... Oops! In my haste I failed to mention one of my BEST supporters for this project and one of the contributors to Volume 16... Mike Quinn Mike's not a frequent poster, but he's a Joni covers freak just like me!! He's kept up with me every step of the way, and it's guys like him who keep me flippin' over rocks and bidding on E-Bay for the Joni covers we love and NEED! Mike, I'm so sorry to have forgotten you as a contributor!! Hope you can forgive me, and to punish myself when I get home I'm gonna have my son beat on me with a cricket bat! :~D Bob NP: Joe Jackson, "Man In The Street" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 17:24:25 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Some thoughts <> Welcome to you, Dave!! He can give you more scoop, but I'll bet you can catch listmember David Lahm's show in NY. He's released two CD's worth of jazz interpretations of Joni's songs and plays at Chelsea's. Changing the subject, is "Tanglewood" the city in Mass or the name of the venue? If the latter, what town is it in? Bob NP (Now Playing): Joe Jackson, "Jamie G." ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 12:39:28 EDT From: JRMCo1@aol.com Subject: Re: Keb Mo' does Joni!! Keb is very cool. Thanks for the update, Bob. I was just noticing an advance copy of this CD on eBay, for those who just can't wait. "Grandma's Hands" is a Bill Withers cover, one of my many favorites from BW. And I bet "America the Beautiful" is an homage to the classic Ray Charles rendition. Keb Mo is performing at the New Orleans Jazz and Heritage in early May. I'm going to be sure and check him out. - -Julius Bob reports: <> Hey, thanks for the info, David. Don't know why Smoe took 4 days to deliver my question, but better late than never I guess. I got a 2-CD set of the show that Joni did in Tanglewood in '79, and wanted to correctly identify the venue, so much thanks for the help! Bob NP: Ani live ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 19:17:25 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: our differeing tastes - --- Tyler Hewitt wrote: > This will get some peoples' blood pressure up, but > two > names spring to mind for me when I think of BAD > vocalists (outside of the obvious like Mrs. Miller): > Fiona Apple and Stevie Nicks. > LOL - I don't see Stevie's appeal, either, but a lot of people do (many on this list). I don't think I've ever heard Fiona, just about her - must check out this truly bad singing ;) Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2001 17:27:39 -0600 From: Les Irvin Subject: Blame it all on Smoe Joniphiles - I've been out in Vegas on business ringing the bandit's bells (thanks Bobster) for the last week and have not been reading the list at all. But, I'm back and it seems like it's time to address a few things. The Chat room. Hmmm.... it does look like it's got a problem lately. The software seems to be quite inconsistent and sporadic. Considering that it's free, it's a bit tough to complain, however. If anyone knows of some better chat software we could use, please let me know. Missing posts. Hey! That's it! Smoe's seemingly sporadic (I like that word) delivery is what's causing all the heat on the list lately. We actually understand each other perfectly but the missing posts are the catalysts for all the arguments. I do, in fact, have a message out to the Smoe guys investigating the problem. Do we all have cabin fever? I'm not sure I understand the reason for all the arguments of late. Are we all more irritable or are we all less tolerant? Or both? Since this list's inception 55 months ago, I've adopted a hands-off approach to administration which seems to have served us pretty well.... until now. I don't really have the energy or the inclination to start holding the list's hand so I really hope we can get back to the tolerance and kindness that has made this list great throughout the years. Please? Thanks, Les NPIMH: Bob Dylan - "Everything is Broken" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 20:59:11 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: This list mags: loved this post even if you didn't mention me as one the MAIN reasons why you stay here ;-) hell: baby, don't be like that. we'll miss you... :-((( wallyK ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 20:34:49 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Mo' Covers: Sweet #16... - --- SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: > Speaking of different strokes for different folks... > > It's another month, which means another volume to be > released in wonderful wacky and weird world of Joni > covers! > Here's the thing about Bob that is just so great - no matter how much arguing and shenanigans is going on elsewhere, Bob is there churning out his covers with love and enthusiasm, always with a positive word or two (or more). You gotta love that! Keep up the good work Bob - you're a real prince! Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 01:56:15 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: Blame it all on Smoe > Missing posts. Hey! That's it! Smoe's seemingly sporadic (I like that > word) delivery is what's causing all the heat on the list lately. We > actually understand each other perfectly but the missing posts are the > catalysts for all the arguments. I do, in fact, have a message out to the > Smoe guys investigating the problem. Thank 'whoever' for that. we aren't going mad after all! > > > Do we all have cabin fever? I'm not sure I understand the reason for all > the arguments of late. Are we all more irritable or are we all less > tolerant? Or both? well there have been TWO full moons recently! It seems there is a full moon every month. > > > Since this list's inception 55 months ago, I've adopted a hands-off > approach to administration which seems to have served us pretty well.... And one of the main reasons this list is popular and well liked. Okay, so we are having a rough patch -must be something in the air-whatever, you have done a fine job, Les. > > until now. I don't really have the energy or the inclination to start > holding the list's hand so I really hope we can get back to the tolerance > and kindness that has made this list great throughout the years. > > Please? I am sure it will get back to normal with real wars about real subjects! bw colin > > > Thanks, > Les > > NPIMH: Bob Dylan - "Everything is Broken" - -- bw colin colin@tantra.fsbusiness.co.uk http://www.geocities.com/tantra_apso/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 02:01:11 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: our differeing tastes Catherine McKay wrote: > --- Tyler Hewitt wrote: > > This will get some peoples' blood pressure up, but > > two > > names spring to mind for me when I think of BAD > > vocalists (outside of the obvious like Mrs. Miller): > > Fiona Apple and Stevie Nicks. > > > The worst i have heard in a long time was Aimee Mann. I couldn't believe my ears especially as she has been so praised here. each to their own of course and I make no judgement upon her talent or upon those who love her. I really was shocked by how awful the sound was. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 18:10:10 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Blame it all on Smoe Vega$ Les wrote: > I've been out in Vegas on business ringing the bandit's bells (thanks > Bobster) for the last week and have not been reading the list at all. Hope you raked in a few chips while you were there ;-) > Missing posts. Hey! That's it! Smoe's seemingly sporadic (I like that > word) delivery is what's causing all the heat on the list lately. We > actually understand each other perfectly but the missing posts are the > catalysts for all the arguments. I do, in fact, have a message out to the > Smoe guys investigating the problem. I'm missing some, getting others in double and some I've sent never showed up. I think it might be adding to the arguments, too. But even when we get all the posts, sometimes we don't read them carefully or all the way through before replying - I am guilty of this myself - got to slow down the speed reading sometimes ;-) Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 21:18:07 EDT From: Relayer211@aol.com Subject: Three Dog night I read in the Robert Christgau record guide that Three Dog night covered a Joni Mitchell song. Does anyone know which song it is? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 21:20:28 EDT From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: Bjorko Ono In a message dated 4/9/01 2:19:18 PM Eastern Daylight Time, tahewitt@yahoo.com writes: << Her Plastc Ono Band album realy rocks! >> If you have the same Plastic Ono Band album I have, then it's all John's songs. Plastic Ono Band was the name of John's first solo album, with Working Class Hero, Mother, God, I Found Out, Love, Look at Me etc. Was there another? Paul I ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 21:21:18 EDT From: Relayer211@aol.com Subject: Joni's autobiography Does anyone know if Joni has written her autobiography yet? And when it may be published? I have read an interview with her where she said she planned to write more then one volume because one volume wouldn't be enough to encompass her life. She said the first line of the book would be (From what I remember)"I was the first black man to arrive at the party." ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 18:21:12 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: This list Mags, That was a very beautiful and sweet post. I wish I could underscore all you said and send it back, especially this part: > Hell, you have given so much to our Joni community with your humour, insight, > intelligence. You have generously shared Kiwi music. You sent a couple of tapes > which I know took a lot of time, effort and energy to put together, at no cost > to me, and you asked for nothing in return. You give out of the generosity of > your heart with a desire to share the music of your community and your life. You are much appreciated, Hell. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2001 21:37:20 -0400 From: Gary Zack Subject: Re: Three Dog night Hi, That would be "Night In The City" which appears on their album, "Harmony." Best regards, Gary Relayer211@aol.com wrote: > > I read in the Robert Christgau record guide that Three Dog night covered a > Joni > Mitchell song. Does anyone know which song it is? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 00:30:03 EDT From: Coyote4Joni@aol.com Subject: Re: Three Dog night In a message dated 04/09/2001 6:31:07 PM Pacific Daylight Time, Relayer211@aol.com writes: I read in the Robert Christgau record guide that Three Dog night covered a Joni Mitchell song. Does anyone know which song it is? Coyote Rick Responds: Heck, I don't know either, but as a huge TDN fan, I'd love to know myself. Oh, you make me weary... Coyote Rick Casa Alegre Hollywood, California ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 00:50:32 EDT From: Coyote4Joni@aol.com Subject: Re: Blame it all on Smoe In a message dated 04/09/2001 4:43:45 PM Pacific Daylight Time, les@jmdl.com writes: Les wrote: Since this list's inception 55 months ago, I've adopted a hands-off approach to administration which seems to have served us pretty well.... until now. Coyote Rick responds: Didn't Joni write something about "it's just a phase, seems to me?" I don't think we should take this cabin fever too seriously. I think it's just because Joni hasn't: a.) released an album in a year, b.) set up a concert schedule, c.) had another art opening, d.) had another artist paying her praises (that we could buy, tape, or otherwise record), d.) nor been spotted anywhere of interest. and we are all getting a little bitchy. Hello? Joni? OK, so let's all make something up. So, Joni is doing a star turn at the Hollywood Bowl. I think this will be her first time at my favorite (acoustically incorrect, for now anyway) venue. The first song from her repertoire is, oh I don't know, let's say, Coyote. She does the song, then gives a ten minute lecture to and about all the Coyotes of the world. Then she opens the concert up to audience requests. Someone(s) suggest the playlist. Coyote Rick Casa Alegre Hollywood, California ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2001 23:44:15 -0500 From: Richard Rice Subject: What I'd really love to ask Joni. Ok, I'd never have the heart to do it, but if there were a few questions I could honestly, honestly ask of Joan....I would ask: Would you be my friend? Can I have a key? Will you paint me a painting? Will you promise me at least 3 more original recordings? (One with a tight jazz band. One acoustic. One, whatever you like. All with lots and lots of words!) - -And after she says yes to all four, I'd probably fall flat on my face and die of happiness. John, not Rich. Looking for a geenie... ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 22:35:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Tyler Hewitt Subject: Ono-more Yoko! OK, I don't want to keep this going on forever, that's not my intent. I could respond to every rediculous and ugly thing in marcel's last post. Instead, I'll keep it very brief. ..."To appreciate the idea over the craft". That is ridiculous when you are talking songs, musical performances, and the like. Darling, substitute the word 'attitude' for 'idea' and that explains 95% of rock music, both past and present. I could talk till my tongue turns blue listing bands who have little if any talent and have achieved success. And you know this is true. In Yokos case it had everything to do with who she fucked. If she had fucked Stewart Sutcliffe she would have been in Hamburg still an unknown just as the Artist he was with was. I mean thats pretty hard for you to refute and be real. Well, wasn't Sutcliffe dead by the time Yoko met John? Necrophilia would have been pretty attention getting, I think! Seriously, You're confusing fame and successs, as you have done many times throughout your post. Money isn't everything. If it was, We'd have been treated to Court & Spark pts. 2,3,4,5, etc. <<>> ...High sounding terminology but at best only one of any number of fleeting contemporary classifications of stuff so banal that it is given a name only to make sure no one mistakes it for something real and important. How can i say such blasphemy...one of my best friends wives was a real modern artist who had real exhibits and teaches at Berkeley and thats what SHE said. So a friend of a friend says something and it becomes the truth? So teaching at Berkeley makes one an expert? Please. I'm not trying to toot my own horn, but i am an artist as well. I have real exhibits (go the the Evanston Art Center in Evanston, IL before April 20 and see for yourself). I teach. I was fortunate enough to obtain my MFA degree at one of the highest ranked art schools in the country. One thing I can tell you-all this don't make me THE expert in art. Same for your friend's wife. What of all the books written about Fluxus? Does scholarly research count for anything? Seems to me it should count for a little more than the attention given to a bunch of Beatles hangers on who got pissed when the gravy train dried up. ...Im sorry but performance art includes covering yourself with shit to make a political statement. In other words its literally anything. That is not significant. But it is Yokos claim to fame. To my knowledge Yoko has never covered herself with shit. In fact, performance art is but a small fraction of her artistic output. I'll agree with you that there is a lot of bad performance art out there. Claiming that Yoko is responsible for all of it is like saying that the person who invented movable type is responsable for Harlequin Romances. ...Your politics are showing through and overwhelming your better judgement. You demean Okeefe and many other true women artists by making this assumption. I don't recall saying that Yoko Ono was the FIRST or ONLY important woman artist. I credited her with helping to break down the white male dominated art world. I'm a white male, and I hate that white males run the arts. I'm not the only one claiming this, Check out http://www.guerrillagirls.com/ ...Please where are Yokos BEST pieces showing today. There is a retrospective, titled "Yes Yoko Ono' making its way around the country. It will be at the Walker Art Center in Minneapolis, and the San Fancisco Museum of Modern Art among other places. GO! it may open your mind a little. By the way, one of my points in the last post was that Yoko would be better known today AS AN ARTIST had she not married John Lennon. Her work is underexhibited because to the public eye she is a Beatle wife and not respectecd for her own considerable accomplishments. OK, enough of this. I know from all the kind and touching posts I recieved that I'm not the only friend of Yoko on this list. Anyone else wnat to put in their two cents worth? Tyler NP: Yoko Ono-Plastic Ono Band (of course!) 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