From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2001 #113 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Sunday, April 8 2001 Volume 2001 : Number 113 The 'Official' Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. Information on the 4th "Annual" New England JoniFest: http://www.jmdl.com/jfne2001.cfm The Joni Chat Room: http://www.jmdl.com/chat.cfm ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Suspicous Reasoning ["Ross, Les" ] Suspicious reasoning [pyramus@lineone.net] Re: iso artwork [David Stork ] Re: iso artwork [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Molly McGee's Sunny Sunday [mags ] Re: Molly McGee's Sunny Sunday [mags ] Re: Joni One, Two and three. ["Mark or Travis" ] Re: Joni One, Two and three. [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] "keep in touch....the years" ["shane mattison" ] Re: list mail [dsk ] Why I like Bjork (sjc) ["Kakki B" ] Joni Interview ["emmy burns" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2001 08:48:21 +0100 From: "Ross, Les" Subject: Suspicous Reasoning Apart from being a delicious little phrase in the context of the song, I have read this to mean reasoning that had a not so well hidden agenda. 'Rambling' in the environment within which Joni sings, turning up to see this friend in the night, seems to me like she is either trying to vindicate, justify or clarify something going on with her or, indeed, she may have been trying to get the guy into the sack and he doesn't want to be 'worked' in that way. Well, that is the take I had on it, from when first I heard the song. bests Les (London)....standing back. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2001 09:46:10 +0100 (BST) From: pyramus@lineone.net Subject: Suspicious reasoning Thank you everyone for your replies to my original question about the 'suspicious reasoning'. It's always great to hear people's views on her wonderful lyrics. As Joni once said when questioned on a lyric, "Never mind what it means to me, what does it mean to you." I think she is creating a forum for discussing interpretation of her words on whatever level. Of course there is no right or wrong in this. My original interpretation of the song was that she was very nervous about the way her life was headed and what she really needed to survive, "I know my needs". She visits a friend and ends up rambling somewhat. The friend interprets this as something else and it darkens his mood. I can now see other facets of this particular diamond. Suspicious can mean suspecting of course. That works too. pyramus ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2001 10:06:37 +0100 From: David Stork Subject: Re: iso artwork The tape sound's amazing, how do you get hold of it? Saw Joni in Birmingham NEC about 18years ago, can't remember the exact date. It's the one and only time I've seen her live - what a presence!!! Anyone else on this list who saw her their?? Dave ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2001 08:22:33 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: iso artwork << The tape sound's amazing, how do you get hold of it?>> Just ask, David, someone will probably set you up. I'll be glad to, if nobody else steps up... <> Does April 14, 1983 ring a bell? That's the date the recording I have has on it, and it makes sense sequentially with the other '83 recordings I have. You need that one too? ;~) Bob NP: Ani, "Pulse" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2001 09:38:23 -0600 From: mags Subject: Re: Molly McGee's Sunny Sunday Brett Code wrote: > << thing, that 'whatever-it-is' that keeps people, particularly certain women, > I guess, almost trapped with their spouse - 'til death, I guess, no matter > what kind of abuse, fear, hatred, boredom, whatever it is that causes one to > shoot out streetlights and wish, every spring, as night follows day, to be > gone, but not to go.>>> Many women who stay with abusers do so because they feel there is no way out. For some women, there is just nowhere to go. A battered self esteem can be found at the root of the problem for her. Little emotional support and lack of money are a couple of the many factors inhibiting her. She feels very early on that she has no choice but to stay and hope for the best and keep clinging onto the life raft dream of hope. The phrase no choice becomes the very thing that keeps her sane, otherwise she might succumb to temptation, slipping into cold black waters....she finds comfort in the idea of drowning. She lives inside her head, tries to make sense out of the hell hole she finds herself in. Socially, there is a whole dynamic set up that makes it very hard for her to escape. It feels kind of like being pinned down, you can barely breathe, you feel as though you are being held hostage, trapped against your will. You hold that gun in the middle of both of your clenched fists, adrenalin rises, you take aim, you think for sure this time..yes....you imagine hitting that target dead on, it gives you this rush, this temporary sense of power..you begin to believe that you really could leave this time, just this once, if only.... ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2001 09:38:33 -0600 From: mags Subject: Re: Molly McGee's Sunny Sunday Brett Code wrote: > << thing, that 'whatever-it-is' that keeps people, particularly certain women, > I guess, almost trapped with their spouse - 'til death, I guess, no matter > what kind of abuse, fear, hatred, boredom, whatever it is that causes one to > shoot out streetlights and wish, every spring, as night follows day, to be > gone, but not to go.>>> Many women who stay with abusers do so because they feel there is no way out. For some women, there is just nowhere to go. A battered self esteem can be found at the root of the problem for her. Little emotional support and lack of money are a couple of the many factors inhibiting her. She feels very early on that she has no choice but to stay and hope for the best and keep clinging onto the life raft dream of hope. The phrase no choice becomes the very thing that keeps her sane, otherwise she might succumb to temptation, slipping into cold black waters....she finds comfort in the idea of drowning. She lives inside her head, tries to make sense out of the hell hole she finds herself in. Socially, there is a whole dynamic set up that makes it very hard for her to escape. It feels kind of like being pinned down, you can barely breathe, you feel as though you are being held hostage, trapped against your will. You hold that gun in the middle of both of your clenched fists, adrenalin rises, you take aim, you think for sure this time..yes....you imagine hitting that target dead on, it gives you this rush, this temporary sense of power..you begin to believe that you really could leave this time, just this once, if only.... Mags. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2001 09:21:51 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: Joni One, Two and three. > Did any lister purchase the Mingus-sans Joni Jazz recording? And if you > did, are the other melodies on the disk? I have a vinyl record called 'Chair in the Sky' by the group Mingus Dynasty that includes instrumental renderings of the Mingus melodies from 'Mingus' plus 'Boogie Stop Shuffle' and 'My Jelly Roll Soul'. However, BSS first appeared on 'Mingus Ah Um' so that rules that one out and the liner notes don't mention anything about Joni in relation to MJRS. The do mention Joni's collaboration with Mingus on 'Chair in the Sky', 'Sweet Sucker Dance' and 'Drycleaner'. So if this is the record you're thinking of, John, it would seem that the missing tunes are not on it. Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2001 13:15:59 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni One, Two and three. << So if this is the record you're thinking of, John, it would seem that the missing tunes are not on it. >> From what Simon has told me, and I consider him as the authority on the matter, these recordings are NOT in circulation. Hopefully, someday they WILL be! They are indeed the Holy Grail for us Joni collectors! :~) Bob NP: Joe Jackson, "Real Men", (live 1/14/01) Thanks 2 my Dutch Uncle! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2001 11:32:19 -0600 From: "shane mattison" Subject: "keep in touch....the years" whispers..."he was playin real good, for free" and i forgot his name, but i remember, yes, near the louvre...and then he busked in berlin and the leaves were listening as they breezed down the strasse..."the strains of benny goodman comin' through the snow and the pinewood trees" and peter falk watched him from the hotdog stand, and someone named helga...someone said he played in in montreal in the early years , in a dancing class...'the years, oh - keep in touch,' for i hear the wings of desire, but they cannot touch me (they try to touch me, from behind my shoulder, that i would rest my thoughts... let go...) they seem to know, the berliners, they seem to understand and that's why he went back there...to play and be heard...by something, by those who could wander to the columbia ice fields when he plays, by those who stand upon the monuments of berlin and no one sees them ("think what you'd like to have for supper, or take a walk a bridge a tree a river...in silence in a bell jar still a song...") she said, "she comes from germany...she's beautiful... and i like the way she dresses and i like the way she moves...we only acquiesce..... .....oh.....not quite..." she came to the yukon with all her german friends. she stayed with the bears...she photographed the bears...she knew he was playing for her ...she could hear his music in the icefields when she read rilke...he'd play of marlene dietrich she thought, not me (the distance, the cold)...he was thinking of marlene... 'anne thought he should 'sod off' with his 'integrity' and all, but i keep hearing, in the snow, the icefields, the bears...' ' i have to be with the dancers, the performance artists, the berliners' he would say... ' i leave it at THAT...' she would say, and the bears would go on with their dedication to fishing...to berries...to sleeping... and still he played long hours on the streets as the clouds rolled by and the americans would drop change in his clarinet case...and the rain played with his face and his fingers were cold...and still he played and only the angels listened... and the poet in the yukon... (see wim wenders' film ' wings of desire' jane siberry's 'dancing class' from cd "no borders here" or her website, http://www.sheeba marlene at http://www.marlene.com/ shane's site at http://www.angelfire.com/art/cactussong/cactussongmain.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2001 13:52:06 -0400 From: dsk Subject: Re: list mail Hi David, It must have been someone else who mentioned your cd and Michael's comments to you because last I knew Michael was planning to listen in your suggested order, but hadn't found the time yet. All this talk of your new cd does inspire me to seek it out, this very afternoon, so I'm sure I'll have direct comments for you soon. atb, Debra Shea Michael Paz wrote: > I only commented that I picked it up (I think) and reminded people of your > request of sequence order. I have been trying find the time to spend on > putting down my feelings on the new record. So you haven't missed anything > yet! in response to what David Lahm wrote: > > I wonder if I too am not getting all the mail. Debra Shea told me the other > > night that Michael Paz had some nice comments on my new cd. I haven't seen > > that and of course I'd like to have that pleasure. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2001 17:33:09 -0700 From: "Kakki B" Subject: Why I like Bjork (sjc) From the first I saw her perform with the Sugar Cubes on a show back in the 80s, I thought she was completely weird. But I think she is honestly weird and that's why I like and admire her. I think she is a true original and is not trying to be eccentric just to have a showbiz schitck. I always had a feeling Joni would like her and that was confirmed when Joni chose her to duet with over all the other bigger stars at the Stormy Weather benefit. It's too bad that the complete show has not been released because their duet was really good. Bjork was very strong and actually carried Joni through it (Joni seeming to be a bit shy out there on stage for some reason). As Bjork pranced around the stage and jumped all over Joni like a lovesick puppy, it was clear to me that she is a very sweet and endearing person. Despite the external trappings, she is very real. Unafraid to be uncool and a dork sometimes. I think she is great. Kakki
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------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2001 21:29:20 -0700 From: "emmy burns" Subject: Joni Interview Hi gang, I've been doing a massive amount of interviewing for my senior thesis regarding childbirth practices, perspectives and options of three generations of women in my family. During the transcription process I began fantisizing that instead of interviewing my family, I had interviewed Joni. When I got down to it though, I realized what a difficult process it would be to decide just what to ask her. I'd like to know what questions you all would ask Joni if you had the chance. In light of recent list discussion, one of my questions might be: whatever happened to the other three songs Mingus wrote for you? What's really eating away at you? Emmy
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