From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2001 #112 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Saturday, April 7 2001 Volume 2001 : Number 112 The 'Official' Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. Information on the 4th "Annual" New England JoniFest: http://www.jmdl.com/jfne2001.cfm The Joni Chat Room: http://www.jmdl.com/chat.cfm ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: goodbye pork pie hat ["Mark or Travis" ] Re: gathering at Judy's Chelsea last night [Michael Paz ] Church of Joni [Michael Paz ] Re: gathering at Judy's Chelsea last night [RoseMJoy@aol.com] Joni One, Two and three. [Richard Rice ] RE: Molly McGee's Sunny Sunday ["Brett Code" ] suspicious suspect ["Brett Code" ] Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2001 #108 [IVPAUL42@aol.com] Re: suspicious suspect [IVPAUL42@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 18:29:28 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: goodbye pork pie hat > I'm not an expert on Mingus, but I'm an expert on correcting people! My > understanding from the press accounts was that Mingus indeed wrote all his > compositions on "Mingus" except Pork Pie Hat with the Joni project in mind. > I think he had working names of Joni 1, Joni 2, etc. Deb is absolutely right. Here is a quote from Cameron Crowe's interview with Joni for Rolling Stone in 1979: Mingus had written what would later become his last six melodies ("Joni I-VI, " he called them), and he wanted Mitchell to write and sing the lyrics for them. She spent the last year and a half working on the project, her first collaboration, working mostly in her apartment in New York's Regency Hotel. I wonder what happened to the other 3 melodies? If you leave out GBPPH which we've already established was written long before Joni's collaboration with Mingus, that leaves only 3 melodies that were actually penned by Charles Mingus on Joni's recording: 'Chair In the Sky', 'Sweet Sucker Dance' and 'Dry Cleaner From Des Moines'. I wonder if she ever tackled the other three? Oh for those missing demos! Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 20:52:36 -0700 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: gathering at Judy's Chelsea last night Being lost is GOOD especially with friends. Alone it is good too sometimes, but I prefer it with friends. This year at New England JoniFest I am NOT driving OR giving directions. I am gonna be a passenger/bystander that will probably be lost anyway, but no matter cause i will be with my friends. Glad you guys had a great time and can't wait to see Willy The Shake in the Crescent City. love Paz on 4/5/01 8:43 AM, RoseMJoy@aol.com at RoseMJoy@aol.com wrote: > Hey > It was a good time had at Judy's Chelsea last night. I didn't get home till > the wee hours of the morning, but what the heck. It was great to finally meet > Willy the Shake, Debra Shea, Lorie Reason, and Willy's friends Mark & Fenny > (who were a belly full of laughs I might add) Willy made his debut last night > at Judy's Chelsea. He sang "A Case of You" accompanied by Tracey Stark on > piano (just beautiful!) We drank, sang, smoked, talked and laughed a lot. > Thanks guys for coming out to play. I could do this easily again soon. > And...yes I got a little lost Paz driving all by myself in and out of the BIG > apple. > > > Rose in NJ > a bit of a hangover > NP: Richard Thompson Live 1988 > Thanks Ali > > rosemjoy@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 22:03:54 EDT From: MDESTE1@aol.com Subject: Re: Now I am upset. (md) Actually Im just lonely. I feel left out big time. It seems that poor Victor made a simple innocuous comment concerning a way to appease religious prostelyzers who come to his door and it was actually very creative. Then before I know it there is this giant super nova of angst and consternation positively raging on the list. People getting all over the top and throwing virtual javelins at each other with intellectual histrionics aplenty. Hurt feelings, borderline War of the Worlds or is it Words. Anyway for once I had absolutely NOTHING to do with it. Havent even opinied. Not a peep. Did ask a one sentence question to someone to try to get clariffication on one small point but never got a response. Thats OK. It feels funny. Normally i can start something like this without even trying but I must be getting old because I missed this one entirely. In fact sometimes I DO start things like this without even trying so I know how it feels. Keep the ol' chin up Victor. In a way its making me feel like Im losing it. Maybe I should just post the single word "Bimbo" and see what happens again. Hmmmm. Oh no, I'll wait until it gets boring again. Then Ill do that. Well back to my reading the book Im reading which is highly controversial but somewhat arcane. Its called "The Complete Abridged World History of the Development and Evolution of the Butterfly Ballot". Yeah I know Im a little different but ........I just hope Im not left out of the next great debate like I certainly was this time. Maybe next time prior to actually breaking out into useless banal arguments they can post an announcement like "Frivolous banal all out argument to begin at 0900 EST". Cheers Y'all. marcel deste ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 21:13:28 -0700 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: list mail I only commented that I picked it up (I think) and reminded people of your request of sequence order. I have been trying find the time to spend on putting down my feelings on the new record. So you haven't missed anything yet! I WILL tell you that Ladies of the Canyon is BY FAR my favorite track and I do like this record and encourage you all to go out and support our fellow lister David Lahm and his new record. I almost had to fight Freda who saw the new disc sitting on my desk and picked up and said, "I am gonna put this in my car to listen to", to which I replyed, "OVER MY DEAD BODY!!!!!!" She settled for the first one until I am good and ready to relinquish control of this new treasure. Hopefully I will get to do my review this weekend. Thanks Dave for your wonderful work! BTW I am still hoping that things might change for me on Memorial Day weekend and I will be able to join you guys. Have a great weekend, Paz on 4/6/01 10:56 AM, Dflahm@aol.com at Dflahm@aol.com wrote: > I wonder if I too am not getting all the mail. Debra Shea told me the other > night that Michael Paz had some nice comments on my new cd. I haven't seen > that and of course I'd like to have that pleasure. > > > LAHM ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 21:19:40 -0700 From: Michael Paz Subject: Church of Joni Start bringing out the hammers and the boards and the nails..... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 22:33:44 EDT From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: gathering at Judy's Chelsea last night In a message dated 4/6/01 9:49:41 PM Eastern Daylight Time, jmichaelpaz@telocity.com writes: > Being lost is GOOD especially with friends. Alone it is good too sometimes, > but I prefer it with friends. This year at New England JoniFest I am NOT > driving OR giving directions. I am gonna be a passenger/bystander that will > probably be lost anyway, but no matter cause i will be with my friends. Glad > you guys had a great time and can't wait to see Willy The Shake in the > Crescent City. > > I didn't mind being lost and alone. It was kind of kewl driving through the almost deserted streets following the garbage trucks and the street sweepers. :~P You can get lost with me in my car, but no toenail painting allowed. Do me a favor will ya? If you see Willy, dub him a Joni Video. The guy has never seen Joni live. Rose rosemjoy@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 23:03:12 -0500 From: Richard Rice Subject: Joni One, Two and three. Which would it be, Joni One, Two or three? Which one do you think she would want the world to see? Besides the original studio takes of Mingus... one wonders what ever became of the other Mingus melodies he wrote for her? He labeled them one through six. Yeppers, Bob, Pork Pie existed as a landmark composition of Charles' well before Mingus was recorded. Chair in the sky and Dry Cleaners were part of the new 6 that lived to see the sun, but what ever became of the other tunes??? If Joni and Charles had to copywrite them, could they be found through the Library of Congress? If I remember correctly, Mingus was recorded again soon after the release of Joni's take as a pure instrumental album with assistance from Charles' wife. I assumed at the time to give his music its 'due' without the clutter of Joni's lyrics and to put the work squarely in a jazz form. I didn't buy the disk at the time when I saw it in the store... but somehow, I don't recall the missing Mingus melodies being on this recording either. But perhaps they were? Did any lister purchase the Mingus-sans Joni Jazz recording? And if you did, are the other melodies on the disk? John, not Rich. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 23:40:07 -0600 From: "Brett Code" Subject: RE: Molly McGee's Sunny Sunday Let me try to answer my own question. thanks to everyone who told me that McGee is Joni's Mom. I guess the more interesting question is whether she, like both Molly and the Shooter, wants (or wanted) to leave but can't (or couldn't). And why. Does Joni ever really go to the why? Or does she only describe the fact of will-less desire. The shooter always misses, but the day she hits that's the day she leaves. Always missing means never leaving - and never is a long, long time. As for Molly, the seasons go round and round and she says she's leavin but she don't go (How dare she write such brutal grammar -- can we go there again???) Joni is hinting at something here, wanting to get to the essence of that thing, that 'whatever-it-is' that keeps people, particularly certain women, I guess, almost trapped with their spouse - 'til death, I guess, no matter what kind of abuse, fear, hatred, boredom, whatever it is that causes one to shoot out streetlights and wish, every spring, as night follows day, to be gone, but not to go. Don't know what you got til it's gone. Brett, Waiting for Godot in a joni lyric collage - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]On Behalf Of Brett Code Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2001 10:27 PM To: joni@smoe.org Subject: Molly McGee's Sunny Sunday Are Molly McGee (The Tea Leaf Prophecy) and the shooter in Sunny Sunday the same person? Brett, thinking of a woman of heart and mind who did go ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 23:54:36 -0600 From: "Brett Code" Subject: suspicious suspect It is so easy and so intellectually dishonest to assume that Joni chooses one word over another because it sounds better Only a country bumpkin believes that the right way to say something is the local expression when applied to the turns of phrase the innuendo subtlety and depth of a poet of Joni's genius. Yeah, Billy-boy, she'd a went "suspect reasonin" if she'd ever even finished grammer school. Such reductionist nonsense inflames me. Brett ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2001 02:39:07 EDT From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2001 #108 In a message dated 4/6/01 6:41:14 PM Eastern Daylight Time, anima_rising@yahoo.ca writes: << - IVPAUL42@aol.com wrote: > I agree that she is merely using poetic license to > say suspicious instead of > suspect because suspicious reasoning flows better, > but I'm not sure about the > suspicion aspect. In my mind, she is saying he > talking as she rambled > revealed questionable reasoning, poor logic or > something to that effect. > Wow! Paul and I agree! But you said it better than I. >> Because I had your statement to build upon. ;>) Paul I ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2001 02:56:11 EDT From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: suspicious suspect In a message dated 4/7/01 2:03:31 AM Eastern Daylight Time, bcode@istar.ca writes: << It is so easy and so intellectually dishonest to assume that Joni chooses one word over another because it sounds better >> Are you suggesting that the singability of a lyric is not a factor in her choice of words? If so, I strongly disagree. Paul I ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2001 #112 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she?