From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2001 #109 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Friday, April 6 2001 Volume 2001 : Number 109 The 'Official' Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. Information on the 4th "Annual" New England JoniFest: http://www.jmdl.com/jfne2001.cfm The Joni Chat Room: http://www.jmdl.com/chat.cfm ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Question??..... [Catherine McKay ] Re: Church of Joni [Catherine McKay ] Re: Joni in ACOUSTIC GUITAR magazine [Catherine McKay ] RE: Church of Joni ["Chris Marshall" ] Re: My last word on a possible church of Joni [catman ] Re: Church of Joni ["Steve Polifka" ] Re: Piano Lesson in Survival [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Being a friend ["Sue Cameron" ] Re: Church of Joni [catman ] Re: Church of Joni ["Victor Johnson" ] Re: Church of Joni [SMEBD@aol.com] Mini JoniFest [rosemjoy@aol.com] Dulcimer [Steve Dulson ] Goldy, silvery and irony [Gordon Mackie ] Re: Church of Joni [Don Rowe ] gathering at Judy's Chelsea last night [RoseMJoy@aol.com] Re: Church of Joni [SMEBD@aol.com] Re: Church of Joni [Steve Polifka ] Re: Being a friend ["shane mattison" ] Re: Church of Joni [catman ] RE: Piano Lesson in Survival ["Wally Kairuz" ] RE: Goldy, silvery and irony ["Wally Kairuz" ] Re: being a friend ["shane mattison" ] the name of the lord and what joni thinks sjc ["Wally Kairuz" ] Re: the name of the lord and what joni thinks sjc [catman ] joni in rock n roll survivor ["Garret" ] Re: being a friend [Ricw1217@aol.com] Rolling Thunder and other stuff [BachelorNumero2@aol.com] Re: iso artwork ["Jim L'Hommedieu" ] Re: Being a friend [Catherine McKay ] Re: Mini JoniFest [Catherine McKay ] Mini NYC Fest ["Kakki B" ] Joni Nuts ["Kakki B" ] Re: iso artwork [mags ] Re: Brian Blade Rview VLJC [dsk ] RE: Piano Lesson in Survival ["Brett Code" ] Molly McGee's Sunny Sunday ["Brett Code" ] Re: Some thoughts [dsk ] Freddie Mercury & Our Joan/Church of Joni [Lindsay Moon ] "My Top 12" 1983 JM Interview [Lindsay Moon ] all this talk of holiness now -- lesson in survival [evian Subject: Re: Question??..... - --- Dflahm@aol.com wrote: > I'm sure it can be shown that Big Yellow Taxi IS > similar to the blues and > Chuck Berry; it does literally have only three > different chords. But to me, > what makes Joni Mitchell Joni Mitchell is that when > I hear her do it on LOTC, > it doesn't sound or feel like the blues or Chuck > Berry. It is something > wonderfully new, fresh, bold and unprecedented. That > uniqueness is an > inspiring challenge. I think I'd like to hear Joni do a Chuck Berry impression though, wouldn't you? Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 06:22:22 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Church of Joni - --- Steve Polifka wrote: > The one problem would be that the church would > probably split into two > factions. One, the For The Roses Synod, and the > other, the Hejira Synod... > Take it from a(n) (ex)Lutheran... You have a point. There'd probably be a splinter group too, a sect, a cult just for Dog Eat Dog ;] Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 06:34:44 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Joni in ACOUSTIC GUITAR magazine - --- CarltonCT@aol.com wrote: > Hey Joni-maniacs, > > Been too busy to post, but it was nice to get > ACOUSTIC GUITAR in the mail > today with an article on the Joan. > I ordered a subscription to Acoustic Guitar through my kids' school (they get a %age of the funds)back in Oct and still haven't rec'd it yet. Called them the other day to find out what's going on and was told, due to technical difficulties (yeah, right) (this was the co. that handles this subscription/fundraiser thing, not AC itself), there was a delay - but I should be getting the May version. And now you tell me there's an article on Joan - my day is made! Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 06:44:57 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: My last word on a possible church of Joni For god's sake people - it was a JOKE! I've seen plenty of things said here that I personally object to and plenty of jokes that I personally don't find funny. Do you think anyone here really *worships* Joni? I'm not going to tell anyone they're being overly sensitive because, let's face it, sensitivity is pretty subjective, and relative, and it depends on the time, the day, a whole bunch of things, how one reacts to anything. There are a lot of very good messages in Joni's songs and talk about how some religions try to bully you or shame you into doing things their way. None of it is serious (I hope not.) Besides, I'm an agnostic in any case - I don't worship anything - to me, if there is a god, he or she would be more like what Shane said - a friend, an equal, not an object to be worshipped. Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 06:46:24 -0400 From: "Deb Messling" Subject: RE: Joni in ACOUSTIC GUITAR magazine The May issue isn't online yet, but here's the URL for the Acoustic Guitar website, which will presumably include the Joni article when the time comes. http://www.acguitar.com/ - ----------------------------------- Deb Messling "I like cats. They give the home a heartbeat." ~Joni Mitchell - ----------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 12:23:01 +0100 From: "Chris Marshall" Subject: RE: Church of Joni Catherine McKay wrote, in jest:- > You have a point. There'd probably be a splinter > group too, a sect, a cult just for Dog Eat Dog ;] Definitely a cult, probably the underground, secretive, shadowy sort that the secret services are interested in. They'd have very close links with the WTRF cult too, I'd imagine. :-D (Ducking...) - --Chris ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 12:54:46 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: My last word on a possible church of Joni > - a friend, an equal, not > an object to be worshipped. too true. the idea that God needs to praised and worshipped is quite ridiculous and an invention of the human ego. It is people who like to be worshipped and praised! if God is 'whole' then She/He?It doesn't need to be told how wonderful She/He/It is! It seesm that most people have turnd God into a montrous version of US!(or maybe a pretty accurate reflection!) If God is our 'parent' then we are made of the same stuff-pure divine spirit. Can't be any other way. Horses don't give birth to cows. We are made in God's image, so we are like God and are God. > > Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca - -- bw colin colin@tantra.fsbusiness.co.uk http://www.geocities.com/tantra_apso/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 12:55:26 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: Church of Joni > Definitely a cult, probably the underground, secretive, > shadowy sort that the secret services are interested in. > They'd have very close links with the WTRF cult too, I'd > imagine. :-D The real ouside edge cult would be the Mingus crowd. > > > (Ducking...) > > --Chris - -- bw colin colin@tantra.fsbusiness.co.uk http://www.geocities.com/tantra_apso/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 07:43:57 -0500 From: "Steve Polifka" Subject: Re: Church of Joni Oh, and all the factions would claim that they were the one TRUE church of Joni, and that the rest were going to hell... God forbid that any of the grourps were to really SEE her! Yikes!!!! - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Catherine McKay" To: "Steve Polifka" ; Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2001 5:22 AM Subject: Re: Church of Joni > > --- Steve Polifka > wrote: > > The one problem would be that the church would > > probably split into two > > factions. One, the For The Roses Synod, and the > > other, the Hejira Synod... > > Take it from a(n) (ex)Lutheran... > > You have a point. There'd probably be a splinter > group too, a sect, a cult just for Dog Eat Dog ;] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 09:11:45 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Piano Lesson in Survival <> Pyramus, this is a great question...I must admit that I came to FTR late in the game, right about the same time I joined this group, so I haven't 'grown up' with these songs. (Note to self: spend more time with FTR) Anyway, Lesson in Survival is certainly worthy of lots of discussion. Maybe somebody who is literate and highly intelligent and is also a big fan of FTR will pick up on my subliminal messages and help out! ;~) Anyway, Joni's lyric here is: "I went to see a friend tonight Was very late when I walked in My talking as it rambled Revealed suspicious reasoning The visit seemed to darken him I came in as bright As a neon light And I burned out Right there before him" My take on this piece from Joni is that the confusion of the relationship she's in/out of has clouded her judgement & reasoning, and even in the midst of her own conversation she feels like she is being somewhat incoherent. Like she thought she had it together, but revealed to her friend (and to herself) that that just wasn't so. Certainly not the theme of the song, but maybe an illumination of your question...? Bob NP: Blossom Dearie, "Give him the Ooh-La-La" (dedicated to the #1 BD fan who just happens to be on this list! :~D) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 09:36:55 -0400 From: "Sue Cameron" Subject: Re: Being a friend Ric and Shane, As much as we may write things like that on list those of us who had the opportunity to meet Joni were very reverential in person. Les and Wally paved the way for us. I know Wally made a difference in how we acted toward her in Detroit. Yes, Joni might be concerned at first with what she read, but being a writer herself I think she would understand the difference between what people write and how they act. My 2 cents. Sue Cameron ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 14:35:45 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: Church of Joni Steve Polifka wrote: > Oh, and all the factions would claim that they were the one TRUE church of > Joni, and that the rest were going to hell... > God forbid that any of the grourps were to really SEE her! Yikes!!!! > But we already have a version of that. Some of us aren't true Joni fans because we don't like everything she has done and we don't have enough educashun to truly 'get' her. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 09:37:42 -0400 From: "Victor Johnson" Subject: Re: Church of Joni Having originally started this thread, I must say that my intention was to show how silly it would be to have a church of Joni and accordingly, how silly I think the Jehovah Witness spiel is. Ironically, it didn't occur to me that one would actually be created. However, I find it more of a joke than anything else and don't see anything to get offended about. Also, I don't think the point of having this list is to only share statements that we would say directly to Joni Mitchell. In a way, that sound more like "worshipping" to me, this idea that she is this unseen presence observing the list and being there without our knowledge, checking everything that we say. I find this list more a place of creative freedom, a place for satire, parody, and saying whatever you feel. My original point was that creativity can blossom freely and we can discover things on our own and at the same time, allow other people to be creative as well. Victor Victor Johnson http://www.cdbaby.com/victorjohnson "Just beyond the morning falls the river of your dreams, Escaping from the day these wild creatures run away." Victor Johnson ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 10:28:40 EDT From: SMEBD@aol.com Subject: Re: Church of Joni In a message dated 4/5/01 9:02:20 AM Eastern Daylight Time, polifkas@milwaukee.tec.wi.us writes: > Oh, and all the factions would claim that they were the one TRUE church of > Not to hell, but to LARRY KLEIN!!! Stephen ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 10:54:11 -0400 (GMT-04:00) From: rosemjoy@aol.com Subject: Mini JoniFest Hi! Rose Joy created a SmashCast movie for you to see at PhotoPoint. Here is a brief description of the movie: I created this little slide show from our photos we took last night. Hope you enjoy! Cheers, Rose in NJ Simply click the link below to go directly to the movie. http://albums.photopoint.com/j/MM?u=1630229&s=100071182 Or, if you use AOL, use this link to see the movie. Click here If neither of the links are clickable, simply cut and paste the first link into your web browser.If you need any help, please contact Customer Service at http://albums.photopoint.com/j/FormEmail?expand=true&File=contact_support Creating a SmashCast movie with your photos is just one of the great things you can do at PhotoPoint, the #1 online photo site. You can also: - - Take your photos from wherever they are - digital camera, roll of film or shoebox - and store them in secure online albums - - Invite family and friends to view your photos - - Order prints and custom photo gifts of your favorite pictures in the MarketPlace - - Bring your photos to life in a SmashCast movie with music and graphics - - Learn more about photography through our PhotoTalk section, including buying guides and tips on how to take better pictures And that's just the beginning. If you want to start sharing your photos online today, sign up for your free PhotoPoint membership. http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AcctSignup?Expand=true Celebrate Your Life In Pictures(TM) at PhotoPoint today. http://www.photopoint.com Thank you, The PhotoPoint Family ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 07:56:26 -0700 From: Steve Dulson Subject: Dulcimer Clark wrote: >The writer mentions a few interesting details, such as Joni's >"backpacking" trip through Europe during the writing of BLUE >in which the only instrument she carried with her was a dulcimer >and a flute (!). I always thought that Joni took the dulcimer along to Mattala, etc. because it was easier to lug around than a guitar. >The writer also >extrapolates that it was the dulcimer which went on to influence her later >guitar and piano playing which would be more deeply colored with drones and >tonic notes. Yes, and as Patricia mentioned, slapping the strings. Does she do that before the Blue album? - -- ######################################################## Steve Dulson Costa Mesa CA steve@psitech.com "The Tinker's Own" http://www.tinkersown.com "Southern California Dulcimer Heritage" http://www.cpmusic.com/scdh "The Living Tradition Concert Series" http://www.thelivingtradition.org/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 16:29:38 +0100 From: Gordon Mackie Subject: Goldy, silvery and irony Buongiorno Bambini ( lets not go through the bimbo one again..lol) Re: Church of Joni and the backlash.....doesn't irony have a place in our community? Let's not take things too literally. It's meant to be humourous....that's all....some light relief. Maybe its one of those cross-cultural misunderstandings. There is a great tradition here of lampooning and satire which may not carry well across the ocean.It knows no bounds. I'd be intrigued to hear how others 'know' how Joni would react. I think she'd laugh her head off ....(metephorically). PS I have scabby knees all right but not from any religious experience darlings Love Gordon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 08:36:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Don Rowe Subject: Re: Church of Joni - --- SMEBD@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 4/5/01 9:02:20 AM Eastern > Daylight Time, > polifkas@milwaukee.tec.wi.us writes: > > > > Oh, and all the factions would claim that they > were the one TRUE church of > > > > Not to hell, but to LARRY KLEIN!!! > > Stephen I am writing this to inform you that will not pursue the Archbishopric of The Church of Joni Mitchell-Klein. If nominated I will not run. If elected, I will not serve. Larry Klein ;-) ===== Visit me anytime at http://www.mp3.com/donrowe Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 11:43:49 EDT From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: gathering at Judy's Chelsea last night Hey It was a good time had at Judy's Chelsea last night. I didn't get home till the wee hours of the morning, but what the heck. It was great to finally meet Willy the Shake, Debra Shea, Lorie Reason, and Willy's friends Mark & Fenny (who were a belly full of laughs I might add) Willy made his debut last night at Judy's Chelsea. He sang "A Case of You" accompanied by Tracey Stark on piano (just beautiful!) We drank, sang, smoked, talked and laughed a lot. Thanks guys for coming out to play. I could do this easily again soon. And...yes I got a little lost Paz driving all by myself in and out of the BIG apple. Rose in NJ a bit of a hangover NP: Richard Thompson Live 1988 Thanks Ali rosemjoy@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 12:22:43 EDT From: SMEBD@aol.com Subject: Re: Church of Joni In a message dated 4/5/01 11:37:12 AM Eastern Daylight Time, dgrowe227@yahoo.com writes: > I am writing this to inform you that will not pursue > the Archbishopric of The Church of Joni > Mitchell-Klein. If nominated I will not run. If > elected, I will not serve. > > Larry Klein ;-) > The question, dear Klein, is have you ever served? And if so, whom? :-) Stephen (Who loves DED) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 10:33:22 -0500 From: Steve Polifka Subject: Re: Church of Joni You don't really believe that, do you? I've gone through times where I would shun a song or two, and now I've forsaken a few albums, but if I think about it, at the time I was into that particular song or album, I've gleaned and learned and assimilated what I needed to and have moved on- I have grown! "Were some have found there paradise Other's just come to harm..." "Well it never has been easy Whether you do or you do not resign Whether you travel the breadth of extremities Or stick to some straighter line... It's all personal choice. We like what we like! That's what makes you a unique part fo the JMDL! Steve At 02:35 PM 4/5/01 +0100, catman wrote: > > >Steve Polifka wrote: > >> Oh, and all the factions would claim that they were the one TRUE church of >> Joni, and that the rest were going to hell... >> God forbid that any of the grourps were to really SEE her! Yikes!!!! >> > >But we already have a version of that. Some of us aren't true Joni fans >because we don't like everything she has done and we don't have enough >educashun to truly 'get' her. > > > Steve ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 10:41:05 -0600 From: "shane mattison" Subject: Re: Being a friend Sue and Cameron, I don't think i wrote the same thing as ric, but i feel certain that Cameron said the same thing as Sue. Could we each be listened or responded to on the basis of our own comments and not someone else's? I wrote about a few ecclesiastical phrases being used. I was not referring to these others who had the privilege of meeting Joni.As someone who lived with an Anderson family member and is still close on a daily basis, I think because someone else acts proper when they meet her does not have much to do with those who use this liturgical language in this list. Can each person be responsible for themselves? I do not see it as an issue of Joni understanding the difference between behavior and words, though i think she also should be allowed the respect of having her own thoughts on the matter, but i do think, if there is an understated admission that such words are undesirable, then we should be encouraged to "talk our walk". The question I raised was would Joni like to read about the "Church of Joni?" perhaps by different people who she doesn't know? My 3 cents. - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sue Cameron" To: Cc: ; Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2001 7:36 AM Subject: Re: Being a friend > > Ric and Shane, > > As much as we may write things like that > on list those of us who had the opportunity > to meet Joni were very reverential in person. > Les and Wally paved the way for us. I know > Wally made a difference in how we acted toward > her in Detroit. > > Yes, Joni might be concerned at first with what she > read, but being a writer herself I think > she would understand the difference between what > people write and how they act. > > My 2 cents. > > Sue Cameron ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 17:42:41 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: Church of Joni Steve Polifka wrote: > You don't really believe that, do you? as you didn't quote, I am not sure what you are referring to. If you are referring to what i think you are referring to, and i referr to it now, it has been suggested or right out written here on this list. Of course I don't believe it! You will have to referr to others tho to see if they do! bw colin ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 13:42:06 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: Piano Lesson in Survival yeah, like, MARK FROM SEATTLE RESURFACE!!!!!!! wallyK, blossom head [blossom DEARIE that is] - -----Mensaje original----- De: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]En nombre de SCJoniGuy@aol.com Enviado el: Jueves, 05 de Abril de 2001 10:12 a.m. Para: pyramus@lineone.net CC: joni@smoe.org Asunto: Re: Piano Lesson in Survival Anyway, Lesson in Survival is certainly worthy of lots of discussion. Maybe somebody who is literate and highly intelligent and is also a big fan of FTR will pick up on my subliminal messages and help out! ;~) Anyway, Joni's lyric here is: Bob NP: Blossom Dearie, "Give him the Ooh-La-La" (dedicated to the #1 BD fan who just happens to be on this list! :~D) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 13:51:58 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: Goldy, silvery and irony oh so the scabby knees were from PRAYING???? wallyk, knee pad wrecker extraordinaire [and not from too much hockey either...] >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> PS I have scabby knees all right but not from any religious experience darlings Love Gordon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 11:02:13 -0600 From: "shane mattison" Subject: Re: being a friend thankyou for your support in this issue...i didn't expect it, but i appreciate it... i was commenting on the ecclesiastical language being used...not on those who may have used it... to them i offer good will and hope they will not take it personally...i hope this little admission may soften this little 'ruckus' that seemed predicted by you...i attacked no one in particular...i just hope for a mature interaction on this list...and i believe i have experienced it so far... shane ----- Original Message ----- From: Ricw1217@aol.com To: cactussong@home.com ; joni@smoe.org Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2001 9:10 PM Subject: Re: being a friend bravo shane. you aren't the only one who feels that way, believe me. but the others who agree with you do so silently (apparently) because they are too intimidated by the more vocal majority with their scabby knees, who have found a receptive audience here with all that genuflecting crap. i often think, and have said more than once, that much of what is written here would make joni mitchell run screaming from the room in search of several dozen restraining orders, and man, would she be justified. it makes my skin crawl, always has and always will. and, despite the fact that it will probably result in yet another tedious war, i thank you for having the balls to say so. ric and for those of you who feel attacked by this "thread" you can aim your venom at me and not shane, since he at least had the class to say it nicely! ...church of joni indeed! makes the gorge rise in my throat. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 14:09:30 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: the name of the lord and what joni thinks sjc well, in the end, who cares what joni would think? ''i think'' is more important to me. i wouldn't like to think i'm hurting anyone [including joni] but to censor/censure what i write or say because joni might be watching -- i don't think so. i am a very religious person [roman catholic], and worshipping the lord is the source of all joy and comfort for me. [whether he needs my worshipping or gives a shit, i don't and couldn't know.] i'm not fond of blasphemy and i slapped my mother once when i was 12 because she took the name of the lord in vain. i'm not proud of having hit my mother. i just want to give you an idea of how much i dislike idle talk about anyone, including god. but humor is humor. and if there is a god and god has/is infinite wisdom and mercy then god's sense of humor must so very fucking good. wallyK, some days i'm agnostic too ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 13:28:14 EDT From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: Goldy, silvery and irony In a message dated 4/5/01 11:41:40 AM Eastern Daylight Time, gordon.mackie@strath.ac.uk writes: << I'd be intrigued to hear how others 'know' how Joni would react. I think she'd laugh her head off ....(metephorically). >> Similar to John Lennon's reaction to such talk, I don't think she'd find it funny at all, even if it was meant humorously. "Get a life," she might say. Paul I ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 10:57:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Don Rowe Subject: Re: Church of Joni - --- SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: > < and pretty soon everyone's in stitches >> > > So, Larry, in other words it makes you think of ME a > lot! :~) > > David "Please don't call me Dave" Geffen Sorry Dav-id ... ;-) Well yeah it does, but what it all boils down to, if we can bury our hatchets somewhere other than each other's heads for a moment, is -- hey we're musicians. Which means we were all like Joni in Ray's Dad's math class. Lord knows if we'd been able to "keep the numbers in their place" we'd all have real jobs. Not that any of us WANT one for real, mind you ... but you get the point. So naturally, we're all going to be a little puzzled by this insistence to "mythologize" everything we say and do. You know, the whole "Geffen/Klein Mafiosi" bit about how we tried to resurrect an aging folkie's career with fledgling digital technology and slick production ... that sort of bollocks (love that word myself BTW!) Bottom line, you and I know it wasn't any more, or any less, than trying to make a good-sounding record. Sure we wanted it to sell ... but part of that meant putting out a quality product in the first place. And you and I also both know that's an idea that's pretty much gone by the waysides in today's market. So if folks hanker for that "old time religion" -- well let 'em, I say. Keep the peace. Larry Klein ===== Visit me anytime at http://www.mp3.com/donrowe Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 20:39:18 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: the name of the lord and what joni thinks sjc Wally-what I can say. I almost pissed myself reading this! Salapping your mother because she took the Lord's name in vain? As a good a reason as any i suppose! I am sure God has a sense of humour. For instance he made all my perent's offspring gay! I've always thought was very funny and very clever. Put an end to that crazyness right there! And if he didn't have sense of humour he'd be might y pissed at the clobber some righteous people wear and their shows of piety. Wally Kairuz wrote: > well, in the end, who cares what joni would think? ''i think'' is more > important to me. i wouldn't like to think i'm hurting anyone [including > joni] but to censor/censure what i write or say because joni might be > watching -- i don't think so. > i am a very religious person [roman catholic], and worshipping the lord is > the source of all joy and comfort for me. [whether he needs my worshipping > or gives a shit, i don't and couldn't know.] i'm not fond of blasphemy and i > slapped my mother once when i was 12 because she took the name of the lord > in vain. i'm not proud of having hit my mother. i just want to give you an > idea of how much i dislike idle talk about anyone, including god. but humor > is humor. and if there is a god and god has/is infinite wisdom and mercy > then god's sense of humor must so very fucking good. > > wallyK, some days i'm agnostic too - -- bw colin colin@tantra.fsbusiness.co.uk http://www.geocities.com/tantra_apso/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 21:58:41 +0100 From: David Stork Subject: Some thoughts I am fairly new to this group, I've just been looking for a while. there's been some really interesting stuff about, especially from Kobus Louwrens. His story certainly makes me feel privileged to be in a free country, relatively untroubled. I've been to Cape Town some years ago and it is certainly one of the must places to visit. At whatever level our problems are music will always be able to help & JM's is some of the best. I am coming to NY and Boston for 16days around 4th July. Is there anything on that's JM related. I'm already going to James Taylor's gig at Tanglewood 3rd July nut may have time for another gig. Best of luck to Kobus Dave Stork ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 23:02:04 +0100 From: "Garret" Subject: joni in rock n roll survivor i was sent this wonderful oddity today: http://www.rollingstone.com/games/survivor/ remember, the point is to *not* vote for Joni, harsh as *that* may seem! i dont know if its been on the list already. i'm numerous digests behind!!! well, it is that time of year again- exams start in less than four weeks! GARRET np- Hole, gold dust woman ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 17:57:55 EDT From: Ricw1217@aol.com Subject: Re: being a friend well, with supporters like me who needs detractors eh? i hope i didn't put any words in your mouth with my reply, and think i may have! always a danger! anyway, i fear the list doth protest too much. and just between you and me, the very oldest (and weariest) ruse is "i was only kidding!" but to tell you the truth, yours was the only reply i looked for and only one of about 4 or 5 that i actually read. i don't have the time (or the inclination even if i did) to read them all, having an actual life to live...or a facsimile thereof. one thing this list teaches, from time to time, is that this too shall pass. good luck to you and all. ric ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 19:40:26 EDT From: BachelorNumero2@aol.com Subject: Rolling Thunder and other stuff Whoa, Did I read something about a "Dog Eat Dog" tribute album???? I hope to God this isn't a mean rumor being sent around to excite us and then dissappoint us!!!!!! Does anyone know about the now legendary tribute album and it's release date?? I've been going crazy with anticipation for it!!!!!! Other Joni info: I recently ran across a copy of the "Rolling Thunder Log" written by Sam Shepard...........It was published in the late 70's and it's Shepard's personal memoir of the concert tour complete with tons of photos............There are about 5 pictures of Joni (circa 1975, "Hissing" period) that are very cool, I had never seen them before........The book gives Joni's "Rolling Thunder" experience a little more light............. I have a promo copy of "How Do You Stop"..........non-remix...............If anyone wants to trade..................... And ............Is there a Joni site that contains photos? If so, where is that? thanks, PHIL ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 21:54:52 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Re: iso artwork Here's the info on Joni's UK appearance on the BBC in late 70. James has had a career ever since doing such gems as "Fire And Rain", and covers like Carole King's "Up On The Roof". This tape is widely circulated and available free to JMDLers. Lama - --- BBC Radio 1 'In Concert' w/James Taylor, Paris Theatre Studios London, England (recorded Dec. 1970) Dec. 20, 1970 (Broadcast Date), BBC TRANSCRIPTION SERVICE (Recording #CN 1485/S) JONI MITCHELL 1. That Song About The Midway 2. The Gallery James Taylor 3. Rainy Day Man 4. Steamroller Blues JONI MITCHELL 5. The Priest 6. Carey James Taylor 7. Carolina On My Mind JONI MITCHELL & James Taylor 8. California 9. For Free 10. The Circle Game 11. You Can Close Your Eyes JONI MITCHELL 12. Hunter 13. River 14. My Old Man JONI MITCHELL & James Taylor 15. A Case Of You JONI MITCHELL 16. Carey (w/an extended INTRO/STORY) - --- From: "Doomalone Doomalone" Subject: iso artwork I was thinking to myself if I can't find it here it's impossible so through a trade I became owner of a cdr with a Joni Mitchell concert listed as 'For Free' and from 29th October 1970 in London, England. Lot's of interesting things happen on this cdr that I want to know more of, especially the track list and who's the guy backing up. Please contact me off this list (I'm not a regular as to reading all the digests) if you have some answers, please. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 22:06:48 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Being a friend - --- Sue Cameron wrote: > Ric and Shane, > > As much as we may write things like that > on list those of us who had the opportunity > to meet Joni were very reverential in person. > Les and Wally paved the way for us. I know > Wally made a difference in how we acted toward > her in Detroit. > > Yes, Joni might be concerned at first with what she > read, but being a writer herself I think > she would understand the difference between what > people write and how they act. > I agree, Sue. I suspect Joni would say, "You people are nuts!" and she'd be right, but that, IMO, is a good thing. Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 22:25:47 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Mini JoniFest - --- rosemjoy@aol.com wrote: > Hi! > > Rose Joy created a SmashCast movie for you to see > at PhotoPoint. Rose, this is so cool! (But none of you look anything like I had imagined you.) Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 19:44:28 -0700 From: "Kakki B" Subject: Mini NYC Fest Rose and all, Thanks for the photos and reports. Rose, once again you've given us such great pics - the fun shone right through and I thought you all looked just mAHvelous. Good to hear that Lori is having some fun despite the workload and that Willy is shaking it up in the U.S. Thanks to Debra for decoding the secret of Willy's posts. I, too, always thought that he was just very creative in his expression - have always loved his posts so hope he doesn't do too much "correction" when he returns ;-) Kakki
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------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 19:49:34 -0700 From: "Kakki B" Subject: Joni Nuts I've always just assumed Joni thinks we are all nuts. But I think with time she has come to see us as amusing ones (she did enjoy the cookbook/bios and has always been warm and open to those who have met her) plus I think her vanity and ego, like all mortal creatures, secretly kind of likes the fact that she, too, has her own little group on the internet, motley as we may be sometimes ;-) Kakki
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------------------------------ Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 22:52:40 -0600 From: mags Subject: Re: iso artwork Jim L'Hommedieu wrote: > Here's the info on Joni's UK appearance on the BBC in late 70. James has > had a career ever since doing such gems as "Fire And Rain", and covers like > Carole King's "Up On The Roof". This tape is widely circulated and > available free to JMDLers. > > Lama > --- > BBC Radio 1 'In Concert' w/James Taylor, Paris Theatre Studios > London, England (recorded Dec. 1970) > Dec. 20, 1970 (Broadcast Date), BBC TRANSCRIPTION SERVICE > (Recording #CN 1485/S) > > JONI MITCHELL > 1. That Song About The Midway > 2. The Gallery > James Taylor > 3. Rainy Day Man > 4. Steamroller Blues > JONI MITCHELL > 5. The Priest > 6. Carey > James Taylor > 7. Carolina On My Mind > JONI MITCHELL & James Taylor > 8. California > 9. For Free > 10. The Circle Game > 11. You Can Close Your Eyes > JONI MITCHELL > 12. Hunter > 13. River > 14. My Old Man > JONI MITCHELL & James Taylor > 15. A Case Of You > JONI MITCHELL > 16. Carey (w/an extended INTRO/STORY) in my most humble, heartfelt opinion, I highly recommend this tape to anyone who does not have it. What a treasure! The chemistry between Joni and James is so special and heart warming. I especially love You Can Close Your Eyes... npimh: Bri singing that song... :~~~~ - -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- _~O / /\_, ___/\ /_ - ----------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 23:21:12 -0400 From: dsk Subject: Re: Brian Blade Rview VLJC SMEBD@aol.com wrote: > For a review of a recent club date (Blue Note in NYC) that mentions Brian's > affiliation with Joni, use the following link: > > http://www.nytimes.com/2001/04/04/arts/04BLAD.html Interesting review. Lori and I were at the Blue Note last Thursday to see Brian Blade and the Subterranean Sextet and what a wonderful experience it was! (Yeah, live music is great!) What we've seen of BB when he's with Joni is just a bit of what he's capable of. Leading his own band, he was a wild man behind the drums, making sounds I'd never heard come from drums before, and bouncing high off his stool, extremely physical and energetic (instead of his always gentle manner when he's playing with Joni), and grimacing and smiling and laughing, and just having the grandest time. Much of his sound is shimmery, like waterfalls, with lots of surprises thrown in, soft sounds underlaying the sharper ones, and it's completely unique (to my ears anyway). We stayed for his second set, which consisted of different songs; there's a new one that had mesmerizing repetitive sections and then the sound opened up again. Very beautiful. I hope it shows up on his next cd. He's quite soft-spoken and gracious when speaking; behind the drums I'm sure he's still those things, but the noisy way he speaks through the drums is a completely different language. The sounds he makes are sometimes so unusual and subtle and complex it makes sense to me now why Joni wanted to work with him. Debra Shea ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 21:41:11 -0600 From: "Brett Code" Subject: RE: Piano Lesson in Survival I feel that I have lived this song (with genders reversed). the guy is the one who you're dating on the rebound your soul mate left you you will always love him but you know your needs and you are willing to try to attempt to move on you have left your door open to your soul mate and you are waiting for him to change his mind In the mean time you know your needs and there was this cute guy you dated him a couple times you laughed you found things in common "Wow! You speak English, too!!" but you can only talk about your soul mate even when you come hungrily stumblingly into his living room you called he said "sure" you started to talk about how much you like him but which "him" became a question he asked you who you are talking about. You said something that sounded like double talk, trying to pretend that you were talking about him when you were really talking about HIM He saw right through your suspicious reasoning darkened his brow and your needs which you thought you knew and which caused you to sparkle as you stumbled hungrily became clear again and you were alone with this guy heavy company Brett. thanking Kakki for leaving the list and then coming back, cause I've been listening to FTR with all my might - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]On Behalf Of SCJoniGuy@aol.com Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2001 7:12 AM To: pyramus@lineone.net Cc: joni@smoe.org Subject: Re: Piano Lesson in Survival <> Pyramus, this is a great question...I must admit that I came to FTR late in the game, right about the same time I joined this group, so I haven't 'grown up' with these songs. (Note to self: spend more time with FTR) Anyway, Lesson in Survival is certainly worthy of lots of discussion. Maybe somebody who is literate and highly intelligent and is also a big fan of FTR will pick up on my subliminal messages and help out! ;~) Anyway, Joni's lyric here is: "I went to see a friend tonight Was very late when I walked in My talking as it rambled Revealed suspicious reasoning The visit seemed to darken him I came in as bright As a neon light And I burned out Right there before him" My take on this piece from Joni is that the confusion of the relationship she's in/out of has clouded her judgement & reasoning, and even in the midst of her own conversation she feels like she is being somewhat incoherent. Like she thought she had it together, but revealed to her friend (and to herself) that that just wasn't so. Certainly not the theme of the song, but maybe an illumination of your question...? Bob NP: Blossom Dearie, "Give him the Ooh-La-La" (dedicated to the #1 BD fan who just happens to be on this list! :~D) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 22:26:45 -0600 From: "Brett Code" Subject: Molly McGee's Sunny Sunday Are Molly McGee (The Tea Leaf Prophecy) and the shooter in Sunny Sunday the same person? Brett, thinking of a woman of heart and mind who did go ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 00:43:02 -0400 From: dsk Subject: Re: Some thoughts David Stork wrote: > I am fairly new to this group, I've just been looking for a while. > At whatever level our problems are music will always be able to > help & > JM's is some of the best. Hi Dave, Welcome to the jonilist community! You'll get no argument from me (or anyone on the list probably) about this. And I know what you mean about appreciating the relative freedom people in certain countries have; as far as I know my occasional left-wing ranting doesn't interest the government here at all. > I am coming to NY and Boston for 16days around 4th July. Is there > anything on that's JM related. I'm already going to James Taylor's gig > at Tanglewood 3rd July nut may have time for another gig. I don't know of anything at the moment; might be time around then for another gathering here in NYC. We'll all have to think about that as the time gets closer. Where are you coming from? (just curious) And what's your favorite Joni cd? (just curious, again :-) And do you know about Siquomb and NP and NJC (other than reading RR's recent very funny but not quite accurate explanations)? If not, let me know privately and I'll fill you in. > Best of luck to Kobus I wholeheartedly second that. Once again, Dave, welcome... enjoy your stay! atb, Debra Shea ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 22:17:01 -0700 From: Lindsay Moon Subject: Freddie Mercury & Our Joan/Church of Joni Leslie Ross wrote: I've sometimes wondered about Joni's opinions about Freddie and Queen, thinking that she might have admired him/them that wonderfully complex music. I'm not familiar with much of their work other than the hits, but they always seemed to strive for excellence. Sorry to offend anyone with the Church of Joni thread in which I participated. I never meant any offense and certainly don't mean to make light of anyone's feelings about religion. My sense of humor tends toward the absurd. Lindsay ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 23:35:07 -0600 From: evian Subject: church of joni Hey y'all (y'all y'all y'all --- oops, sorry, been nipping at the cough syrup again), Yeah, the Church of Joni thread wasn't my thing and I began skipping the posts, but let's all relax a little -- I mean, it's a joke (which I am sure a million people have posted -- I am still one digest behind). I really don't think we are going straight to hell for laughing at it And I mean, come on y'all -- I know someone said something like "what would Joni think if she saw that" and I mean, big whoopie-fucking-ding, she'd either laugh, or think we were totally nuts, and either way, it matters not to me. What DOES give me the willies is always trying to be tasteful or "monitoring" my posts in case Joni one day gets drunk at a party and decides to read the archives for a laugh. THAT would ruin it for me, that unconscious ass-kissing. Anyway, just wanted to weigh in on the church of Joan thang. Oh well, I am converting to Stevie Nicksism anyway -- we're calling ourselves the twirling dervishes.... Of course, I may be back to the Dog Eat Dogites soon enough --- I'll miss dancing with the drag queens and the punks. TGIF, Evian np: damn cat in heat again, who won't take no for an answer from the dog... it's a hard knock life, lemme tell ya ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 22:55:30 -0700 From: Lindsay Moon Subject: "My Top 12" 1983 JM Interview Would anyone happen to know the name of the interviewer who interviewed Joni on this show? I am transcribing it for Les's site and would rather have a name identifier when he speaks rather than "Announcer." A second announcer comes in at the end and speaks to him saying what sounds like "Thanks, Addy." Thanks for your help. Lindsay ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 00:01:42 -0600 From: evian Subject: all this talk of holiness now -- lesson in survival Well, since we HAVE been throwing out the whole thing about FTR and "Lesson in Survival" lately, and since we've touched on the religion thing kinda sorta, I was just wondering how close others feel to "Lesson in Survival" and how the song speaks to him/her. The song keeps coming into my head over and over lately, especially the "holier reminders that you're just not good enough" line. I mean, how much more brilliant of a line can that be? It speaks volumes to me, especially as I am trying to reverse my thinking and actions into finding joy and bliss again in religion, and trying to stop using it as a crutch of "OMG, everything is screwed up, get me through this". While the latter reasoning IS useful at times, I guess I am trying to be more positive and thankful and peaceful and... well... seeking joy in religion, because the "oh help me when I am in need and I'll try to remember you once in a while when things are going good" is just all take, no give to me. So, I guess what I am trying to say is that in my search for a return of joy/bliss/thankfulness to my spirituality, I DO often come against that whole "you're just not good enough" thought, which I think I have been taught in my various church experiences (which is why I don't belong to a church anymore, either, I suppose, but then again, I haven't tried for a while either). Anyway, just wanted to see if others have found that line or the song so poignant as well. "Lesson in Survival" and the Indigo Girls "Galileo" (and the "how long til my soul gets it right" line) are two songs that really say the things that I often think and never really articulate. Anyhooo, sorry for boring you with this, just wondering what your thoughts of the song/line are. Evian np: same ole cat, sounding like she's getting jiggy with the dishwasher door... ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2001 #109 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she?