From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2001 #108 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Thursday, April 5 2001 Volume 2001 : Number 108 The 'Official' Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. Information on the 4th "Annual" New England JoniFest: http://www.jmdl.com/jfne2001.cfm The Joni Chat Room: http://www.jmdl.com/chat.cfm ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Stolen Lyrics? ["Rob Ettridge" ] Re: Question??..... [Dflahm@aol.com] iso artwork ["Doomalone Doomalone" ] Re: Stolen Lyrics? [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Signs of Spring ["Sue Cameron" ] re: Lessons in Survival [christopher blake ] Re: BYT and Bollocks [Ian Cropton ] Church of Joni [Steve Polifka ] Brian Blade Rview VLJC [SMEBD@aol.com] Re: Brian Blade Rview VLJC [Don Rowe ] Re: I'm New! [Don Rowe ] calling all analyzers ["shane mattison" ] Re: I'm New! [Catherine McKay ] being a friend ["shane mattison" ] Piano Lesson in Survival [pyramus@lineone.net] Mick Rock, Freddy Mercury and Joni (SJC) ["Leslie Ross" ] RE: Church of Joni-Commandments ["Wally Kairuz" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2001 10:27:37 +0100 From: "Rob Ettridge" Subject: Re: Stolen Lyrics? >P.M. Dawn, who are HUGE Joni fans, as well as one of my personal fave > >groups, sampled "Don't Interrupt The Sorrow" in one of their songs, >and >they also use her melodic line from "I Had A King" in their song >"The Ways >of the Wind". I've heard you mention the PM Dawn connection before, and I thought I knew what it was, but the lyric I'm thinking of is from "The Boho Dance" not "Don't Interrupt The Sorrow". Do we have our wires crossed, or is this yet another PM Dawn link? Their song "Set Adrift on Memory Bliss", their biggest UK hit, starts with the line: 'The camera pans the cocktail glass, behind a blind of plastic plants I found the lady with the fat diamond ring.' Compared with Joni's: 'A camera pans the cocktail hour Behind a blind of potted palms And finds a lady in a Paris dress With runs in her nylons' Then a few lines later they use: 'Subterranean by design' which appears earlier in 'The Boho Dance' as: 'Subterranean by your own design' More of a respectful nod than stealing. >Matter of fact, I heard 'Wind' before I heard 'King', and the first >time I >listened to Joni's first record (1998) it was weird because it >sounded >familiar, even though it was the first time I heard it! I heard "Set Adrift..." long before I heard any of HOSL, and always liked the line 'subterranean by design', so was immediately struck when I heard Boho Dance. Rob, thinking he should invest in more PM Dawn _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2001 06:57:26 EDT From: Dflahm@aol.com Subject: Re: Question??..... I'm sure it can be shown that Big Yellow Taxi IS similar to the blues and Chuck Berry; it does literally have only three different chords. But to me, what makes Joni Mitchell Joni Mitchell is that when I hear her do it on LOTC, it doesn't sound or feel like the blues or Chuck Berry. It is something wonderfully new, fresh, bold and unprecedented. That uniqueness is an inspiring challenge. DAVID LAHM ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2001 14:18:09 +0200 From: "Doomalone Doomalone" Subject: iso artwork I was thinking to myself if I can't find it here it's impossible so through a trade I became owner of a cdr with a Joni Mitchell concert listed as 'For Free' and from 29th October 1970 in London, England. Lot's of interesting things happen on this cdr that I want to know more of, especially the track list and who's the guy backing up. Please contact me off this list (I'm not a regular as to reading all the digests) if you have some answers, please. Also if you know of a place on the web where I may be able to copy or download cover material. Thanks !!!!!, Rick. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2001 08:31:01 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Stolen Lyrics? <> I don't think there's a crossing of the wires, Rob...you are correct with the lyrical reference from Boho Dance to "Set Adrift". Musically, they sample "Don't Interrupt the Sorrow". Their liner notes are almost always a challenge to read, but it's there. So, we're both correct! Oh, and btw, Prince/The Artist/The Symbol cops a piece of the "Help Me" lyric in his song The Ballad of Dorothy Parker on Sign o' the Times. Bob NP: Michael Holland, "They Used to Call it New Wave" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2001 09:18:54 -0400 From: "Sue Cameron" Subject: Signs of Spring Marcel's post got me thinking about why I love spring. Snow falls here in Northern Michigan about the first of November. Long winters are the best times to listen to Hejira, with the white flags of winter chimneys waving truce against the moon. Here it is April 4th and we still have patchy snow on the ground like so many piles of dirty laundry. Yesterday temps got into the high 40's and it felt like Heaven. The sun radiating off the cold steel of my SUV turned the 40's into near 60's. I got in my vehicle, opened the moon roof, and stacked the six CD changer with Joni. Hits was fun. Bouncing along the frost freeing pot holed roads. Skipped over to NRH, where The Only Joy in Town reminded me of true spring with the fuschia reference. Of course for me Hissing is never far out of rotation, and the song that suits spring the best is Harry's House-Centerpiece. Don't know why, it just does it for me! Wondering if others find seasonal meanings in Joni's songs. Would I feel the same wind chill from Hejira if she were swimming in the pool on the inside sleve of the album as she is in Hissing? Sue Cameron NP: Blue Jays outside my window ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2001 06:19:40 -0700 (PDT) From: christopher blake Subject: re: Lessons in Survival << Anyone else have crucial "Joni got me through it" songs? let us know!>> i don't know how this will compare, but i guess that isn't really the idea - is it? i feel comfortable now amongst y'all to relate this. a woman with whom i co-habitated for four years needed to leave me (why? i don't know - she was losing herself she said). near the end the only thing we had in common was joni mitchell. i was a much more avid audiophile than she so we agreed that i could keep the cds if i reproduced them for her. the day she left i was eight days removed from having a blod clot removed from near my lung, a rib having been removed and a vein taken from my thigh to be grafted to the area exposed by absence of said rib. (why do doctors always present you with a photo of the inside of your body after the operation? - - i digress)anyway, i was a mess, physically and emotionally and mentally (due to all this plus pain killers). none-the-less i began to copy joni, not just cd by cd...no! that would have been too easy. i tried to make a long suite. at the time i didn't own all the joni (still don't - yet). i began with the overture from DJRD. throughout the process of making the tapes i *really* listened to lyrics and musical textures and found that many times joni was saying to her what i wanted to say to her, sometimes not, but putting together a three-volume 'message tape' of that magnitude helped ease the pain quite a bit. it was my first attempt at a long-term relationship and from beginning to end i thought of each mistake i made in it. sometimes i wonder if having a song like "stay in touch" to finish the collection is the classiest thing i could have said to her - and through joni, i did. thanx for listening. dang! i enjoy being amongst you folks! have an awesome day - christopher. Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2001 06:48:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Ian Cropton Subject: Re: BYT and Bollocks I've deleted the post where 'bollocks' was used, and then someone asked for its meaning. Here goes: Its a swear word common in Britain. Its actually a synonym for testicles (eg Arrgh I just got kicked in the bollocks) but is normally used as a synonym for rubbish (eg Thats a load of bollocks) or as an expletive (eg Oh Bollocks, I just missed the train). Finally as an alternative to admitting to screwing up, try 'I've just dropped a bollock' Cheers, Ian Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2001 08:06:52 -0500 From: Steve Polifka Subject: Church of Joni The one problem would be that the church would probably split into two factions. One, the For The Roses Synod, and the other, the Hejira Synod... Take it from a(n) (ex)Lutheran... Steve Which one would be more liberal???? ;-) Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 15:13:36 +0100 From: Gordon Mackie Subject: Church of Joni >Adding to the great theological debate of our lunchtime, would St >Joan of the 'arc of a modern romantic relationship ' be a disciple. ( >sorry how arch is that) .We could sell 'All along the watchtower' ( >wrong artist... but it is a homage) door to door, sing hymns to Her, >and make our own personal Hejira to Saskatoon. We'd need some commandments though....hmmm..e.g. 1. Though shalt not have any other God but She. etc. Any others?? Gordon Steve ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2001 10:20:26 EDT From: SMEBD@aol.com Subject: Brian Blade Rview VLJC For a review of a recent club date (Blue Note in NYC) that mentions Brian's affiliation with Joni, use the following link: http://www.nytimes.com/2001/04/04/arts/04BLAD.html Stephen ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2001 08:08:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Don Rowe Subject: Re: Brian Blade Rview VLJC - --- SMEBD@aol.com wrote: > For a review of a recent club date (Blue Note in > NYC) that mentions Brian's > affiliation with Joni, use the following link: > > http://www.nytimes.com/2001/04/04/arts/04BLAD.html > > > Stephen From that review: "... overall sound of the group was the West Coast jazz-pop sound, particularly that of Joni Mitchell ..." Color me crazy, but can this mean that Joni's finally managed to shed her 'folkie' image? Nah ... couldn't be! ;-) Don Rowe ===== Visit me anytime at http://www.mp3.com/donrowe Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2001 08:29:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Don Rowe Subject: Re: I'm New! Hi Vince, and welcome to the jmdl! Joni is not a member, but I am. And I'm pleased to report, since you wondered: > Has there ever been a tribute concert for Larry > Klein, or at least a > tribute album made to honor Dog Eat Dog? That yes, there is a tribute album in the works, with an all-star line-up covering Dog Eat Dog! Good Friends -- Depeche Mode Fiction -- Jon Anderson & Vangelis The Three Great Stimulants -- Rush Tax Free -- Willie Nelson, w/monologue by Samuel L. Jackson Smokin' (Empty Try Another) -- Bjork Dog Eat Dog -- The Dixie Chicks Shiny Toys -- Madonna w/Barry White on back vocal Ethiopia -- Sinead O'Connor Impossible Dreamer -- Sweet Honey In The Rock Lucky Girl -- Tracy Chapman Reprise doesn't have an official release date yet, but we expect it to hit the stores about 6 weeks following the Joni Trib CD. I'll keep you posted. Larry Klein ===== Visit me anytime at http://www.mp3.com/donrowe Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2001 10:49:28 -0600 From: "shane mattison" Subject: calling all analyzers i was intrigued to find out about the identity of the pink hotel...sometimes referred to as the pink palace...after a whole summer in maui...it was very hot...my x (who doesn't live in texas) and i on way back to vancouver took a few days in the pink hotel, and with the air-conditionaing, was welcome relief i might add...the room was gorgeous, and not knowing about joni having been there, i thought about elvis and how it was on his agenda...i also thought about the meaning of paradise..."this day you will be with me in paradise"...about paradisial love which i was then experiencing but have been on exile in main street ever since...and how, going to dinner, with the walls missing so you could look out upon the sunset and the palms...we heard the beautiful hawaiian music of the cazimero brothers (anyone ever heard them?)...one brother with his high alto sitting like buddha raised up on a dais while the other chunkier one standing behind his base...they sang... "so on your way, unafraid, to face the dangers before you... as you face the dangers of the world..." well, unafraid was what i wasn't later on in vancouver, as i went through a worse experience than "the insider", but i have learned since that russell crow's two roles (with that of the gladiator) are not unrelated...the earlier flows into the necessity of the later...i could not remain just on the level of sensitive artist enjoying joni's sensitive songs...as i think about the friend from south africa...i think about the battle of the world...and that steal-ly resolve has to occur, to trust....and that is spelt TRUST...without it things 'fall apart'...with it you can conquer with love... and speaking of love...i have a question for the analyzers...who is joni singing of in 'a case of you?'... i had heard the rumour that it was leonard cohen and that they were once in love..."oh, canada', with your face sketched on it twice"...it was time i cleared up this matter...does anyone know? joni's had "alot of good guys gone through my door"...one of them was john hammond, who i played darts with one saturday at a pub...asking him, who was her lover after chuck mitchell what she was like, hammond replied in his characteristic way..."first class, all the way"...its interesting that those who have been closest to joni do not report of her ego the way certain other 'journalists' or 'critics' do (jealous?)...anyhoo a little side story about hammond...not sure how much it is known about them...but who is "a case of you?" bon chance, especially to our south african friend.... shane ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2001 14:26:39 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: I'm New! - --- Randy Remote wrote: > Dear Rev- > Welcome to the list ... > You asked > alot of good questions. I'll try to answer some of > them. > > Verrrrrrrrrrrrry funnnnnnnnnnnnyy!! Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2001 12:37:44 -0600 From: "shane mattison" Subject: being a friend to be a friend of a human being is to not objectify them...to allow them to be who they are...even jokes about 'church of joni' and the like would appall her...would she want to, stumbling across the list, hear phrases like that?...it would make her not want to ever see the list again, if even it is a tongue and cheek joke...some jokes are not funny...for to idolize someone is to set up an image which is for one's own self...and it doesn't even take the other person 'in'... there is no "come in from the cold" there...you set up an image and you've ended the possibility of openess...of listening to the others' humanity...i for one do not want to hear phrases like that even if well intended, even if it points at laughing at oneself...our whole culture is permeated by images...set up an image and you've lost a friend... shane ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2001 20:31:01 +0100 (BST) From: pyramus@lineone.net Subject: Piano Lesson in Survival Julius said << the term "percussion" refers simply to the striking of any musical instrument...not necessarily a drum. >> Bob replied<> A very good example of this is Joni's piano in "Lesson in Survival" a personal favourite, where she really punishes those ivories, using the piano as a rhythm instrument as well as a melodic accompaniment. The lyrics in this song are simply stunning. "I came in as bright as a neon light and I burned out right there before him"....we've all been there. "Maybe it's paranoia Maybe it's sensitivity Your friends protect you Scrutinize me I get so damn timid Not at all the spirit That's inside of me Oh baby I can't seem to make it With you socially There's this reef around me."...indeed. Incidentally does anyone have an idea what the "suspicious reasoning" might be ? pyramus ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2001 22:33:22 -0000 From: "Leslie Ross" Subject: Mick Rock, Freddy Mercury and Joni (SJC) I was listening to the local London news tonight and saw a brief article about the Photographer Mick Rock. Mick Rock featured heavily in the 70s as the photographer of choice to the Rock hierarchy and he has an exhibition of his work on here in London. What was interesting to us here in Joni-Land is a little snippet Mr Rock related to us about Freddy Mercury. Mick was the person responsible for the look of the opening sequence of the Bohemian Rhapsody video which was based upon an image of Marlene Dietrich from Shanghai Express. Anyway, Mick Rock ended up being quite the chum of Freddy and would pop round to his place in Kensington for a cup of tea and a gossip. Freddy would be there in his dressing gown and slippers while the two of them would chat about, well whatever, listening to Joni Mitchell records. Can you imagine the scene! So, unless Freddy Mercury's apreciation of our Joan is already a matter of record, and it wasn't to me, here, it seems, is the proof from the very excellent Mr Mick Rock. See also www.Q4music.com Les (London)from his home account and heading off-list for the night. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2001 16:03:07 -0700 From: Lindsay Moon Subject: Church of Joni-Commandments Gordon wrote: My contribution: "Thou shalt not call me a folksinger." Lindsay ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2001 20:26:54 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: Church of Joni-Commandments also: ''thou shalt hand me an ashtray now!!!!'' wallyK, mother abbess indisputable - -----Mensaje original----- De: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]En nombre de Lindsay Moon Enviado el: Miircoles, 04 de Abril de 2001 08:03 p.m. Para: 'joni list' Asunto: Church of Joni-Commandments 1. Though shalt not have any other God but She. etc. Any others??> My contribution: "Thou shalt not call me a folksinger." Lindsay ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2001 21:01:09 EDT From: CarltonCT@aol.com Subject: Joni in ACOUSTIC GUITAR magazine Hey Joni-maniacs, Been too busy to post, but it was nice to get ACOUSTIC GUITAR in the mail today with an article on the Joan. The May issue has two pictures of Joni, one wearing a marigold colored sweater, and a really great 3/4 shot on the Index page that looks like it might be around the time of CMIARS with a top that's got some Santa Fe/Native American influences. It's a good profile shot that shows up those awesome cheekbones. The article has tabs for "This Flight Tonight" and talks about BLUE as the champ that survives as a classic 30 years later from a time in which other women such as Joplin, Carole King and Carly Simon all had strong albums. The writer mentions a few interesting details, such as Joni's "backpacking" trip through Europe during the writing of BLUE in which the only instrument she carried with her was a dulcimer and a flute (!). The writer also extrapolates that it was the dulcimer which went on to influence her later guitar and piano playing which would be more deeply colored with drones and tonic notes. I disagree with this writer who says "My Old Man" is a song about an open relationship. Joni sings "We don't need a piece of paper from the city hall keeping us tied and true" and Joni always described herself as a serial monogamist. - - Clark Carlton www.cdbaby.com/clarkcarlton http://www.stonewallsociety.com/clarkcarlton.htm NP: The Planets - Holst ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2001 23:02:41 -0400 From: "Harp@louislynch.com" Subject: Re: being a friend and getting rid of Jehovah's Witnesses Shane wrote: > to be a friend of a human being is to not objectify them...to allow them to be > who they are...even jokes about 'church > of joni' and the like would appall her...would she want to, > stumbling across the list, hear phrases like that?...it would make her not > want to ever see the list again, if even it is a > tongue and cheek joke...some jokes are not funny... Thank you Shane for saying that and saying that so well, Although I don't mind a good Jehovah's Witness joke now and again, I wasn't amused by the "Church of Joni" strain. I thought it was demeaning, to a degree. I've heard her referred to as a "music goddess" and such, but something riled me about the recent mode of humor. Sacrilege to God as deity, perhaps? Insult to Joni as an artist, perhaps? I didn't write about this, because (and you may all note this particular event for posterity) Harper Lou was afraid to share his opinion. After some of the recent bollocks busting on the list, I figured I had shared my share of opinions for a while, so I kept mum. So Shane, I'm glad you spoke up. Speaking of getting rid of Jehovah's Witnesses, my ex-wife and I used to live in a farmhouse in the middle of nowhere, Pennsylvania -- not another house in sight for miles. Sure enough, one day our trusty Alsatian Mickie started barking up a storm. There in our secluded lawn were two young Jehovah's Witnesses, who, after walking down a quarter-mile dirt lane, were brave enough to try to negotiate with a 110-pound dog who was not leashed. After we managed to get Mickie calmed down and on his tether, these two cheeky young men forged on to our porch and insisted on coming in and talking to us. Considering our dog almost killed one or both of them, we invited them in for some iced tea, which they rejected because of the caffeine. Anyway, they let out an instant spiel about true salvation and how people everywhere are going to hell and all. Carol pretended to listen intently for a few minutes, and I could tell by her smile that she was up to something. She waited for them to pause, and asked, "OK, enough with the small talk, how about both you young studs coming upstairs to have sex with us now?" I've never seen missionaries turn so many shades of red in such a short time. They gulped a few times and promptly walked out the door and down our lane, their faces too frozen in shock to speak further. Oh my, it was priceless. Plus I learned something. It works! Since we divorced and I've moved to a house in town, I've been visited by a pair of young Mormon males and again by another pair of Jehovah's witness males. As soon as I invite them to come upstairs and have sex with me, they are out the door in a flash! Don't worry folks, I'm not a professional, so feel free to try this at home! So far it has worked every time! Regards, Harper Lou ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2001 23:10:40 EDT From: Ricw1217@aol.com Subject: Re: being a friend bravo shane. you aren't the only one who feels that way, believe me. but the others who agree with you do so silently (apparently) because they are too intimidated by the more vocal majority with their scabby knees, who have found a receptive audience here with all that genuflecting crap. i often think, and have said more than once, that much of what is written here would make joni mitchell run screaming from the room in search of several dozen restraining orders, and man, would she be justified. it makes my skin crawl, always has and always will. and, despite the fact that it will probably result in yet another tedious war, i thank you for having the balls to say so. ric and for those of you who feel attacked by this "thread" you can aim your venom at me and not shane, since he at least had the class to say it nicely! ...church of joni indeed! makes the gorge rise in my throat. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2001 23:18:19 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Mick Rock, Freddy Mercury and Joni (SJC) << So, unless Freddy Mercury's apreciation of our Joan is already a matter of record, and it wasn't to me, here, it seems, is the proof from the very excellent Mr Mick Rock. >> Hey Les, I just always ASSUME that everyone appreciates Joni! ;~) But funny you mention it because just this day I got a copy of Queen doing "(You're So Square) Baby, I Don't Care" (thanks Christopher!) Of course, Joni didn't write it, but their performance was from '86 so you have to figure that they brought out the old chestnut based on Joni doing it a couple years prior! Bob NP: Janis Siegel, "River" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2001 23:29:12 -0400 From: "Patricia O'Connor" Subject: Re: Joni in ACOUSTIC GUITAR magazine From: > carried with her was a dulcimer and a flute (!). The writer also > extrapolates that it was the dulcimer which went on to influence her later > guitar and piano playing which would be more deeply colored with drones and > tonic notes. This is interesting. I think of Blue as the turning point of Joni's guitar style, even though there are only 2 guitar songs on it. Her guitar style on FTR is so different, from what she was doing earlier and I attribute it to her dulcimer style. I remember reading an interview, where Joni said the change came out of admiration of Stephen Still's style of playing, that she began slapping the instrument around some...but she was slapping that dulcimer too. Patricia O'Connor p.a.oconnor@att.net ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 02:27:23 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: being a friend i for one kind of like it when my friends burn incense and offer human sacrifices at my altar. i don't see what the fuss is all about... wallyK -----Mensaje original----- De: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]En nombre de shane mattison Enviado el: Miircoles, 04 de Abril de 2001 03:38 p.m. Para: joni@smoe.org Asunto: being a friend to be a friend of a human being is to not objectify them...to allow them to be who they are...even jokes about 'church of joni' and the like would appall her... shane ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2001 #108 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she?