From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2001 #105 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Monday, April 2 2001 Volume 2001 : Number 105 The 'Official' Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. Information on the 4th "Annual" New England JoniFest: http://www.jmdl.com/jfne2001.cfm The Joni Chat Room: http://www.jmdl.com/chat.cfm ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Luka covers Joni ["Paul Castle" ] Re: Luka covers Joni [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] RE:tori does joni again [Jim Livecchi ] Re: tori does joni again [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Tori does it again ["Christopher J. Treacy" ] Did the list die? [Vince Lavieri ] slow Sunday [Vince Lavieri ] People Review of Shawn Colvin (SJC) [Lindsay Moon ] Re: People Review of Shawn Colvin (SJC) [Jason Maloney ] Re: For the Roses [Jason Maloney ] Plum Island rental [peves@marlboro.edu] Thanks [Emilia Bedelia ] Re: Thanks [=?iso-8859-1?Q?Helga_L=F6ltgen?= ] Re: People Review of Shawn Colvin (SJC) and Jonatha! [Phyliss Ward ] More Joni in NY Times [Vince Lavieri ] Re: For the Roses [Catherine McKay ] Re: Joni's name (was Icelandics) ["hell" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2001 09:11:47 +0100 From: "Paul Castle" Subject: Luka covers Joni The other day, browsing in a record store, I noticed that Luka Bloom (Irish singer - brother of Christy Moore) had recorded a version of 'Urge for Going' on his new album 'Keeper of The Flame'. In addition to Joni, he also covers The Cures' 'In Between Days', Abba's 'Dancing Queen' and Radiohead's 'No Surprises', amongst others. On his website I found this in a recent interview with a German newspaper - "For me there is a connection between the songwriting of Thom Yorkes and Joni Mitchell. Both of them express their feelings. They just do it in a different way." I see he has a page where fans can make suggestions as to which songs he should cover - http://www.page27.co.uk/jan/suggest.htm - Someone had suggested 'Urge' - and someone else has suggested 'Free Man in Paris', I see. PaulC ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2001 06:55:14 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Luka covers Joni << I noticed that Luka Bloom (Irish singer - brother of Christy Moore) had recorded a version of 'Urge for Going' on his new album 'Keeper of The Flame'. >> That's a great record and a bunch of swell covers, Paul. Your fellow Brit Bill "Sgt. Rock" Pearson contributed it to the cause and it's safely contained in Volume 14. For the lowdown on the JMDL covers project, run don't walk to: http://www.jmdl.com/covers/index.cfm And thanks for the note - I need all the help I can get! :~) Bob NP: Crosby & Nash, "Urge For Going" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2001 09:13:17 -0400 From: Jim Livecchi Subject: RE:tori does joni again To my knowledge, there is no studio recording of this song (official or unofficial). She was doing an improv version of the song during the Under the Pink tour. It's really snippets of the song, incorporated into her song "Cloud on My Tongue." I've seen it on a couple of bootlegs. One in particular is "Bells for Her." If I had a copy, I'd make you one. This is a quote of hers about "Cloud on my Tongue" which kind of explains the connection I think: "Yes, totally sensory self, that doesn't know - there's a wonderful acceptance in "Cloud On My Tongue," an acceptance of being in circles and circles again. That's its whirlpool vat. It all leads to that. Because I travel a lot around the world, and I went to all sorts of places, and I ran in to different people. Borneo had something that I didn't have. It was a very free, hot, jungly place, and the people that, or a person that came from there, had something that I didn't have that I desperately wanted, which was this no rigidity. When I say "Leave the wood outside, what, all the girls here are freezing cold, leave me with your Borneo." Hope this helps. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2001 11:35:19 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: tori does joni again << To my knowledge, there is no studio recording of this song (official or unofficial). She was doing an improv version of the song during the Under the Pink tour. It's really snippets of the song, incorporated into her song "Cloud on My Tongue." >> Well, the version that we have on Volume 2 is a complete version, and is DEFINITELY a studio version, not a live version. It's to be found on Atlantic Records' 1995 release PRCD-6360-2 titled Spew U (Atlantic's CMJ Survival Kit). So consider your base of knowledge officially expanded! :~) NP: Tori, "A Case of You" (sent to me way back when by Kevin in Scotland...you still out there, buddy?) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2001 12:53:45 -0500 From: "Christopher J. Treacy" Subject: Tori does it again Jim wrote : "To my knowledge, there is no studio recording of this song (official or unofficial)." This is not true. There is an official studio version of "A Case of You" as a B-Side - I own it. It was issued with one of the singles for "Little Earthquakes" or "Under The Pink". Unfortunately, my ex sold off all my Tori CD singles during our break-up and while I was in the process of moving out, under the premise that I owed him money (which I did, but I'll never fully recooperate from the tactic!). Anyway, all that remains are cassettes from those recordings. The timing of the studio version is 4:38 - why not try Napster? I have it lumped together with "Home on The Range", "Strange Fruit" and "If 6 was 9" - I'm assuming they're all from the same single. Maybe 2. Cheers! - -Chris PS. If my cassette version helps in any way, I'll send it to ya'! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2001 23:03:09 -0500 From: Vince Lavieri Subject: Did the list die? Bob, I don't think the list died, I think all of us (except you and me, and you more than me) have found ourselves speechless; me, I babble on regardless. :-) Maybe the off-day last Thursday gave everyone time to rest and recreate and maybe re-create. As I transferred volumes of stuff yesterday from old mac to new imac I read through maybe 210 emails that I had saved from the list. There are so many wonderful people in the JMDL! I discarded maybe 190 of the saved emails as I can't save everything forever, but what a reminder of so many great people and great times and laughs and sharing and caring and all that makes this not a cyber list but a real community. I guess I have been a member since February or March of 1999 so it has been slightly more than two years, and this was the best thing that I got involved with on the internet and what did I ever do before I had these wonderful people as my friends? Rock on, and thanks Joni and JMDL, (the Rev) Vince ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2001 23:30:16 -0500 From: Vince Lavieri Subject: slow Sunday For the newbies since last time I posted this, for the oldies who haven't seen it for a while, this is one of my favorite bookmarks: http://faculty.uca.edu/james.murray/joni150.gif I actually have no idea where this originated; someone posted it to the JMDL back in 1999 and I save it because it makes me laugh every time I look at it. I know it uses the dreaded words "folk singer" but... (the Rev) Vince No one has every made a cartoon like this about Jim Nabors. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2001 09:57:23 -0700 From: Lindsay Moon Subject: People Review of Shawn Colvin (SJC) Well, folks, I'm sorry to report that my People Magazine which arrived yesterday has a not-so-shining review of Shawn Colvin's new album, "Whole New You." I was going to offset this with the glowing report they had of Jonatha Brooke's new album "Steady Pull," which they rated as their "Album of the Week" last week but I can't find that issue right now. I'll keep digging. In the meantime, here is the Shawn review, with nods to Joni, but unfortunately at Shawn's expense (asterisked comments are mine): People Weekly, April 9, 2001: "Whole New You," Shawn Colvin, Reviewed by Ralph Novak. "Still sounds like the same old her to us. Colvin's singing remains wispy and dyspeptic, her songwriting enigmatic and abstract. In short, Colvin is a denatured version of her role model, Joni Mitchell.* The delicacy and understatement that go along with Colvin's style have their rewards, but on such a tune as her own "Another Plane Went Down" -- which alludes to the explosion of TWA Flight 800 -- her imprecise diction at times makes it hard to understand what she's singing about. Complicating matters is the vague, almost subconscious sense of unrest that permeates her songs: "Roger Wilco" is merely a recitaton of military jargon without context. It's clear that we're supposed to disapprove, but it's not clear why. Even the backgrounds are bland, lest a strong backup singer or musician overpower her. Colvin would have been wiser to follow more closely the example of Mitchell, whose bold experiments with jazz backup singers** have given her new expressiveness and energy. Bottom Line: Sometimes less is less. * Ouch! ** What?! I thought *she* was the jazz singer ... My bottom line: Maybe they should get a review from my 4-year-old son who thinks Shawn Colvin is the greatest! Stay well all. Welcome back, Kakki (I hope! I'll come up there personally and talk you back on to the list!) and happy birthday, Paz! P.S. Any Neil Finn fans out there, I purchased his DVD, "Sessions at West 54th" and it's just amazing. Even my husband, who is Mr. Heavy Metal himself, said he thought it was very good, much better than he'd expected, and Neil is a great musician. Hey, think about it hon', do I waste my time with lousy musicians?? No! I distill it down to the best! All good wishes, Lindsay (Sheesh! I lurk for months on end and then you can't shut me up!) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 01 Apr 2001 18:32:01 +0100 From: Jason Maloney Subject: Re: People Review of Shawn Colvin (SJC) Hi Lindsay, Well, I was listening to the Whole New You CD for the first time as your mail arrived. I'm finding it very enjoyable...I'm not enough of a SC connoisseur to place it in context with her other work, but it sounds wonderful, especially the first half-dozen tracks. Jason. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2001 10:58:18 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: For the Roses Some time ago a guy named Matthew Hall appeared on the list, saying that he was putting together a fanzine that would focus on current singer/songwriters. He was looking to find someone to write an article about Joni for the premier issue. I had always wanted to write my own take on Joni's career. So with the full realization that nothing would probably ever come of it and the knowledge that I was risking being plagiarized, I wrote a rather lengthy retrospective of Joni's career up to the release of BSN. I sent it to Matthew, heard from him once or twice and haven't heard from him since. That was a year or so ago. I really don't care since I'm not a published writer and had wanted to write something like this anyway for a long time. Any way, there's been some talk about For the Roses recently, so I thought I'd post my take on where it fits into Joni's life and the arc of her career. If any one is at all interested in reading my mini-novel on Joni, please let me know. I did some research on it on the JMDL & Joni Mitchell.com homepages but I'm not sure I got all my facts exactly straight. So if anybody wants to see it, let me know. Here's the part about FTR: Joni took a break from the L A music scene after recording 'Blue', retreating to the Sunshine Coast of British Columbia. She even considered giving up her musical career entirely at this time. But her creative muse was too strong to be silenced & she emerged from this period of solitude and reflection a stronger & wiser person. She was still vulnerable & a die-hard romantic, but less inclined to be knocked down by the ups & downs of life & love. She also came back with a collection of songs that would comprise her most ambitious & mature album up to that point, 'For the Roses'. In the song 'Woman of Heart & Mind' from 'For the Roses' (1972), Joni sings: 'I am a woman of heart and mind/with time on her hands, no child to raise/you come to me like a little boy/and I give you my scorn & my praise'. The song and the album are a declaration that she has emerged from her dark night of the soul a survivor, tempered & strengthened, better equipped to handle romantic relationships & ready to take on increasingly mature & ambitious work. While the lyrics are much more bare-bones & to the point than anything she had written before, the musical background she gives them is fuller & more complex. The album features woodwinds & reeds played by Tom Scott of the LA Express and also a string arrangement by Bobby Notkoff for the song 'Judgment of the Moon & Stars' . 'FTR' also produced Joni's first top 40 radio hit, the tongue-in-cheek country flavored 'You Turn Me On I'm A Radio' . Her voice shows an increasing maturity on 'For the Roses', employing less of her stratospheric upper register and taking on an earthier tone and the songs 'Banquet', 'Cold Blue Steel & Sweet Fire', 'Let the Wind Carry Me' and 'Blonde in the Bleachers' reveal increasing depth & maturity in her songwriting.. The title track from 'FTR' is the first of Joni's songs to express her growing discontent & disillusionment with the record business and the culture of celebrity. The first but not the last. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 01 Apr 2001 19:25:27 +0100 From: Jason Maloney Subject: Re: For the Roses Hi Mark, Yes, I remember the Mathhew Hall thing...I also submitted something to him and never heard back. I ended up using the brief overview of Joni's recording career I'd written for his fanzine on my own website - so something good came of it. Some people who saw it on my site then commented on its lack of depth, but that was the whole point of my piece...it was supposed to be a condensed overview. I'd be interested to read your article. Jason. Mark or Travis wrote: > > Some time ago a guy named Matthew Hall appeared on the list, saying > that he was putting together a fanzine that would focus on current > singer/songwriters. He was looking to find someone to write an > article about Joni for the premier issue. I had always wanted to > write my own take on Joni's career. So with the full realization that > nothing would probably ever come of it and the knowledge that I was > risking being plagiarized, I wrote a rather lengthy retrospective of > Joni's career up to the release of BSN. I sent it to Matthew, heard > from him once or twice and haven't heard from him since. That was a > year or so ago. I really don't care since I'm not a published writer > and had wanted to write something like this anyway for a long time. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 02:55:37 -0400 From: peves@marlboro.edu Subject: Plum Island rental Hi, I have access to a house on Atty May's street. It is available Sat, Sun and Labor Day. If anyone is interested email me off-line and I will connect you to a friend of mine who is the owner. Peg ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2001 12:27:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Emilia Bedelia Subject: Thanks I would like to thank everyone very very very much!!! All the help you have given me helped me a great deal!!!! I don't know my full grade on my project yet but I think I got the most points I could possibly get from Friday night when I had to be Joni!!!!! I bought 3 packs of candy ciggerets, and used all the info you all have given me!!!!! Thanks again!!!!! I'll get back to you w/ my final grade when i get it!!! Yahoo! Mail Personal Address - Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2001 21:49:48 +0200 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Helga_L=F6ltgen?= Subject: Re: Thanks And really, all I can say... What ever happened to that 3 p. of candy c., I know, I shouldn4t bother. So just f....off. E.B. - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Emilia Bedelia" To: Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2001 9:27 PM Subject: Thanks > I would like to thank everyone very very very much!!! All the help you have given me helped me a great deal!!!! I don't know my full grade on my project yet but I think I got the most points I could possibly get from Friday night when I had to be Joni!!!!! I bought 3 packs of candy ciggerets, and used all the info you all have given me!!!!! Thanks again!!!!! I'll get back to you w/ my final grade when i get it!!! > Yahoo! Mail Personal Address - Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 01 Apr 2001 14:03:22 -0700 From: Phyliss Ward Subject: Re: People Review of Shawn Colvin (SJC) and Jonatha! Hi Lindsay! This SoCal lurker is sure glad to hear your voice! I bought "Whole New You" along with 5 other used but new to me cd's on Friday but haven't had the chance to listen to it yet. I'll let 'ya know... Glad to hear about Jonatha's rave review in People and would love you to post it when you find it. As you probably know, the album is fantastic. Kakki, my husband Bob and I went to see Jonatha play live Friday night in El Lay. She was with her band and Wow! A very rocking set. Kakki and I couldn't believe it. She had the guitar player doing Hendrix like licks and everything. The place was packed and apparently there were a lot of industry folks there to check her out including Julia Fordham, one of Kakki's other favorites. The crowd LOVED her. I don't think I've ever heard a crowd that size make so much noise. I'm very roughly guessing about 600 - 800 people but I'm really not good at that kind of thing. Even Bob, who isn't really as into it as I am said he would be very suprised if she doesn't make it really big. She was that good. (Eat your heart out Rick, you coulda been there! ; - )) Phyliss Lindsay Moon wrote: > Well, folks, I'm sorry to report that my People Magazine which arrived > yesterday has a not-so-shining review of Shawn Colvin's new album, "Whole > New You." I was going to offset this with the glowing report they had of > Jonatha Brooke's new album "Steady Pull," which they rated as their "Album > of the Week" last week but I can't find that issue right now. I'll keep > digging. In the meantime, here is the Shawn review, with nods to Joni, but > unfortunately at Shawn's expense (asterisked comments are mine): - -- Phyliss mailto:pward@datacourse.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 01 Apr 2001 20:26:01 -0400 From: Vince Lavieri Subject: Joni in NY Times letters Always nice to see Joni get mentioned so nicely. CHICAGO JAZZ A New Generation To the Editor: Thank you for the articles "Organized Sound From Chicago's Jazz Underground" by Adam Shatz and "Post Rock' Hipsters Look Back to Fusion," about the Chicago band Tortoise, by Ben Sisario [March 18]. It is heartening to see a "new thing" being acknowledged. I would argue that this movement is part of a larger trend: the musicians arriving on the scene in New York, Chicago and elsewhere are the first true "post- jazz" generation. They are young enough to have avoided the jazz orthodoxy battles of the 80's, and in their musical universe artists as disparate as Chopin, Stockhausen, Coltrane, Joni Mitchell, DJ Keith, OutKast and Radiohead exist on equal terms and are audible influences. PAT DONAHER Astoria, Queens ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 01 Apr 2001 20:31:02 -0400 From: Vince Lavieri Subject: More Joni in NY Times The rest of the article can be found at http://www.nytimes.com/2001/04/01/arts/01METC.html but I liked the beginning of the article best: April 1, 2001 MUSIC With the Auteur Passi, Rock Gets Impersonal EARLY 40 years have passed since rock 'n' roll, on the back of Bob Dylan, first got serious. In a span of a few years, he introduced the protest song to a mass audience, broke the three-minute mold for an airplay hit and imported an entirely new range of experience and allusion into popular music. After meeting Mr. Dylan in the mid-60's, three of the Beatles evolved from the cheeky moptops of "Love Me Do" into highly idiosyncratic songwriters, each with a sense of his own individual genius, not to mention stardom. For the next 10 or so years, the singer- songwriter label signaled rock's seriousness. For a broad audience there was James Taylor; for the cognoscenti the moping Leonard Cohen; for both, and everyone in between, Joni Mitchell, whose starkly confessional, musically complex albums are still widely regarded as masterpieces. While the term has since fallen into abuse, calling up images of self-indulgent drones, the movement's basic premise influenced virtually every rock act that followed: a singer should be responsible for writing his or her own material. No less important to rock than the auteur theory was to film, the singer-songwriter was radical in uniting stardom with creative control. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2001 22:09:27 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: For the Roses - --- Mark or Travis wrote: >If any one is at all interested in > reading my > mini-novel on Joni, please let me know. I did some > research on it on > the JMDL & Joni Mitchell.com homepages but I'm not > sure I got all my > facts exactly straight. So if anybody wants to see > it, let me know. I'd be interested, Mark - I always enjoy your posts. Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 16:20:45 +1200 From: "hell" Subject: Re: Joni's name (was Icelandics) Alison wrote: > does anyone ever wonder why joni kept the name > mitchell instead of going back to her birth > "anderson"? I'm a bit late replying but have been pondering this one. I'm guessing, but I think there were probably two reasons. (a) because she was already known as Joni Mitchell on the "coffee house circuit" (for want of a better term), and she probably had a small following already, and (b) having a different name maybe gives her a little bit of anonymity. She could go back to Canada as Joan Anderson, and I'd imagine that a lot of people (especially those not clued up to the latest in the music scene) wouldn't know who she was from her looks. Like I said, this is a complete guess, and I'd be interested to hear others views? Hell ____________________________ "To have great poets, there must be great audiences too." - Walt Whitman hell@ihug.co.nz Visit the NBLs (Natural Born Losers) at: http://www.nbls.co.nz ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2001 #105 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she?