From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2001 #102 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Thursday, March 29 2001 Volume 2001 : Number 102 The 'Official' Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. Information on the 4th "Annual" New England JoniFest: http://www.jmdl.com/jfne2001.cfm The Joni Chat Room: http://www.jmdl.com/chat.cfm ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- 'Sour' Angelica [Gordon Mackie ] Re:Wally Breece [Jodcrazee@aol.com] re: long fall from grace... [christopher blake ] Re: Icelandics SJC [Alison E ] Re: Icelandics SJC ["Rob Ettridge" ] Re: Icelandics SJC [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: JMDL Digest V2001 #144 [Catherine McKay ] Re: JMDL Digest V2001 #144 [Catherine McKay ] Re: Joni's Jazz. [Don Rowe ] "back in my home town, they would have cleared the floor just to watch the rain come down..." ["shane mattison"] Re: "back in my home town, they would have cleared the floor just to watch the rain come down..." [] RE: JMDL Digest V2001 #151 ["Kate Bennett" ] offer withdrawn [catman ] re: ...long fall from grace [Susan McNamara ] re: Wally Breese [Susan McNamara ] Re: my long fall from grace... [Heather ] Re: offer withdrawn ["Victor Johnson" ] Joni's Jazz ["BRIAN SYMES" ] Re: offer withdrawn [catman ] Re: my long fall from grace... [Coyote4Joni@aol.com] Re: my long fall from grace... [Heather ] 100% JC, Was:"back in my home town, they would have cleared the floor just to watch the rain come down..." ["J] Kakki [TerryM2222@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 10:38:42 +0100 From: Gordon Mackie Subject: 'Sour' Angelica Hi Ya ( This was used as the title for a Scottish version of 'Hello' magazine...it flopped pretty quickly. It is how many Scots greet each other) The 'bimbo' discussion reminded me of a simulation game I'm thinking about purchasing to explore cultural clashes with students. I'd be interested in knowing whether you think I should buy it ! The manufacturers description states: "Barnga introduces the shock of realising that in spite of many similarities, people form other cultures have differences in the way they do things. Their rules are different form our rules.Participants play a simple card game in small groups. Conflict begins to occur as participants move from group to group because the rules aren't the same. This simulates real cross-cultural encounters where people believe they share the same basic understanding of the basic rules. Instead, players must first recognise there are different rules, then struggle to understand and reconcile the different rules to play successfully. As I type this, I'm smiling to myself as my iMac tells me I spell recognise and realise incorrectly when in my culture these spellings are quite correct. The title of my post is a pretty poor play on words. 'Suor Angelica' (Sister Angelica) for those who aren't aware is a Puccini opera. The most famous aria is 'Senza mama, oh bimbo tu sei morto' very roughly translated as "Without your mother my baby you died" A cheery story of a woman sent to a nunnery for having an 'illegitimate' child. You say "Suor' and I say 'sour'. Lots of singing nuns ...very camp....makes the Sound of Music look like heavyweight cultural analysis. P.S. Bimbo in UK popular culture means one thing only and it has been defined already by others. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 09:12:25 EST From: Jodcrazee@aol.com Subject: Re:Wally Breece This was a very moving post. Got me thinking how Joni has remained one of my top favorite artists Oh I admit I strayed where I wasen't listening to Joni but I always came back to her. And it was with great pleasure to see her getting the recognition (oh I massacred that word along with massacre itself) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 07:04:04 -0800 (PST) From: christopher blake Subject: re: long fall from grace... hi ric. LOL. i love it! as for being seventeen...the more things change, the more they stay the same. have an awesome day - christopher Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/?.refer=text ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 07:15:39 -0800 (PST) From: Alison E Subject: Re: Icelandics SJC hmmm, i don't know who they are so i guess they haven't crossed the pond into my consciousness yet. who are they, rob? side note, that makes me feel groovy... my great great grandfather was named einar magnusson. grandpa ollie became ollie einarsson here in the US, and the spelling was eventually bastardized down to einerson. so if you ever meet another einerson, i'm most probably related to them. does anyone ever wonder why joni kept the name mitchell instead of going back to her birth "anderson"? alison e. in nyc who finds genealogy and name origin simply fascinating, and no, it's not just because i was raised by a pack of wild mormons, either! - --- Rob Ettridge wrote: > What about Magnus Magnusson? Emiliana Torrini? Or > have they not crossed > the pond? > > Rob Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/?.refer=text ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 16:27:52 +0100 From: "Rob Ettridge" Subject: Re: Icelandics SJC Magnus Magnusson used to present a TV quizshow called Mastermind and, pre-Bjork, was famous for being the only famous Icelander. Emiliana Torrini is only part Icelandic, hence her Italian sounding name. She's a female singer-songwriter, for lack of a better title, and not that disimilar to Bjork vocally, but more accessible music wise. Her album 'Love in a Time of Science' is rather good. The SJC bit is that she did a Joni cover, and it featured on one of Bob's Covers CD, but I forget which one and my CDs aren't to hand. Rob Alison wrote: >hmmm, i don't know who they are so i guess they >haven't crossed the pond into my consciousness yet. >who are they, rob? _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 11:26:25 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Icelandics SJC <> She does a nice cover of "Chelsea Morning" from her CD "Merman". It's to be found on Volume 11, which seems like not so long ago and here I am working on #18! :~P Bob NP: Green Day, "Haushinka" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 12:01:05 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2001 #144 - --- catman wrote: > "Sally A. Bowers" wrote: > > > I sure hope I did not send the whole Digest, if I > did, I am sorry. Please, I am getting my new Gatway > on Friday, and this will never happen again from > me...ever! Who was it that "Rondstadt" had a come > back along with Bo > > JMDL Digest wrote: > > You did but don't worry about it. > Sally A. Bowers has a familiar ring to it. Is this a > pseudonym and borrowed from somene famous? Is it the > girl from cabaret? That was Sally Bowles, or Bowells (I don't know how it's spelled, but it sounds like the dish you eat cereal out of.) Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 12:01:05 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2001 #144 - --- catman wrote: > "Sally A. Bowers" wrote: > > > I sure hope I did not send the whole Digest, if I > did, I am sorry. Please, I am getting my new Gatway > on Friday, and this will never happen again from > me...ever! Who was it that "Rondstadt" had a come > back along with Bo > > JMDL Digest wrote: > > You did but don't worry about it. > Sally A. Bowers has a familiar ring to it. Is this a > pseudonym and borrowed from somene famous? Is it the > girl from cabaret? That was Sally Bowles, or Bowells (I don't know how it's spelled, but it sounds like the dish you eat cereal out of.) Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 09:20:17 -0800 (PST) From: Don Rowe Subject: Re: Joni's Jazz. - --- Richard Rice wrote: > What makes Jazz? Richard Thompson once said something to the effect of, "If you play one wrong note, it's a mistake. Play that same wrong note three times ... jazz." ;-) Don Rowe ===== Visit me anytime at http://www.mp3.com/donrowe Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/?.refer=text ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 11:10:31 -0700 From: "shane mattison" Subject: "back in my home town, they would have cleared the floor just to watch the rain come down..." sitting with my morning java...i contemplate the prairie sun filtering through my den blinds, a prairie sun that knows no borders...so thoughts on "paprika plains" from my favourite joni album DJRD... favourite because it was a kind of creative peak... it had some of the polish of "hejira" but added an experimental edge, coupled with the romantic ravings of jaco taken just a little further...a wide variety of creativity here with links to all points of joni's creative career, there is stompin' beat, romantic rhapsody, social satire, symphonic composition, and the sublime acoustic reverie "silky veils of ardour" finale....the satisfaction of "paprika plains" covering the whole side of the LP, a piece that shares joni's canadian prairie identity...both of my parents were raised on sakatchewan farms and i spent many days there on tractor and combine... i know this heartland...and its glorious! Yes, there are no borders in the sense that the piece is similar to aron copeland....on the other hand, joni is referring in the above subject quote "they would have cleared the floor" to maidstone, saskatchewan, joni's home after being born in fort macleod, alberta,...moving to sask at age 3...so, let's admit it...this is canadian geography and topography we're talking about... these saskatchewan farmers would indeed have cleared the floor...calgary's 16"s of rain per annum would have seemed a luxury to them...because its a great composition it becomes universal and can just as easily be identified with in nebraska or kansas... but properly speaking we are dealing with saskatchewan...a prairie province of canada...where wheat is king...where joni's parents still reside...where she still returns "home" every year...where she took larry klein to share its stark landscape...and she sees don freed in between his musical journeys to the always present native communities...saskatchewan is joni mitchell and they can be proud that she is and will always be their accomplished daughter... shane mattison ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 13:36:08 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: "back in my home town, they would have cleared the floor just to watch the rain come down..." <> Great post, Shane...always great to hear a lyric interpretation from one who has lived it! Hope you continue with your take on some of Joni's work from that perspective! And speaking of Larry & the landscape, I finished watching the "Come In From the Cold" video this weekend, (many thanks to my good friend that shared it with me) and really enjoyed this part where she talks about she & Larry driving around, looking at and photographing the landscapes & barns, and superimposing their faces onto the pictures. Some of them were very haunting. I guess I'd never thought of Joni as the accomplished photographer she is, as if her talent can ONLY be limited to 1 or 2 genres. Thanks again for your words! Bob NP: Green Day, "Jackass" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 10:50:15 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: RE: JMDL Digest V2001 #151 Rev Vince, I am so glad you are staying! Thank you for your wonderful contributions to this list! ******************************************** Kate Bennett www.katebennett.com sponsored by Polysonics www.polysonics.com Discover the Indies at Taylor Guitars: http://www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/bennett.html ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 22:18:14 +0100 From: catman Subject: offer withdrawn Now it's my turn to bitch: A few days ago I made an offer which in terms of time would have cost me at least 3 days and about $100. This was to donate a joni/jmdl sweater. This was no little hurried job. You would have had a quality, professional garment worth about $150. It doesn't bother me that you weren't interested. What bothers me is that not one person even bothered to reply. I wil now donate that time and money to the LAC for PRA research. - -- bw colin colin@tantra.fsbusiness.co.uk http://www.geocities.com/tantra_apso/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 17:28:09 -0500 From: Susan McNamara Subject: re: ...long fall from grace Hi Ric: I also have a daughter who was excruciatingly embarrassed by my Joni obsession for years. well the other day she called me from college and said, "Mom, I can't believe I'm asking you this question but .... can you tape me some Joni!" What goes around comes around!! :-) sue (glad to be back on the list again!) ____________________ /____________________\ ||-------------------|| || Sue McNamara || || sem8@cornell.edu || ||___________________|| || O etch-a-sketch O || \___________________/ "It's all a dream she has awake" - Joni Mitchell ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 17:32:00 -0500 From: Susan McNamara Subject: re: Wally Breese Wow, thanks Vince for that beautiful tribute...synchronistically I was thinking of Wally this morning. A truly good and beautiful friend. I miss his phone calls very very much. God bless you Wally!!! I'm not sure what departure facilitated this because I've been out of touch for a while but thanks anyway. sue ____________________ /____________________\ ||-------------------|| || Sue McNamara || || sem8@cornell.edu || ||___________________|| || O etch-a-sketch O || \___________________/ "It's all a dream she has awake" - Joni Mitchell ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 17:54:15 -0500 From: Heather Subject: Re: my long fall from grace... ohhh .. you are still a cool dad! anyone else get the old eyeball roll from family and friends when they know you are e-mailing about joni? heather At 06:03 PM 3/27/01 -0500, Ricw1217@aol.com wrote: >ok listers. i am writing this on the sly because if my newly 17 year old >daughter, rebecca, knew i was talking about her on this list she would make >me pay...but i thought this was a kind of funny story and this list could use >some levity. > >my willowy and lovely rebecca, a young woman now, has long endured my joni >obsession. riding in my car, the cd player is pretty much all joni, all the >time, and she has learned to groaning at my joni coffee mug from the both >sides now tour. while she knows of this list she, i'm quite sure, just >chalks it up to that side of her dad she would prefer to ignore. (she has >learned, by osmosis, the words to big yellow taxi, and can sing it with her >little sister to my never ending delight. but that's usually when she wants >money...) anyway, a short time ago, she approached me as i sat at the >computer, combing through my endless avalanche of email. "my god." she said. > "all that email is for YOU???" (the implication in her inflection being >fairly obvious, i thought...) "well, most of it is from my joni discussion >list, so it really isn't all for ME..." i explained. i could tell she was >intrigued. actually, baffled might be a more accurate word. "so all you >guys email each other back and forth about joni mitchell?" i won't even try >to describe the tone. many of you probably have teenagers, and most of you >probably WERE teenagers once upon a time...the rest of you can use your >imaginations. "no, no, no! we talk about all sorts of things! politics. >religion. sexuality. other kinds of music." i think i was starting to >sound desperate and i could tell she wasn't buying it. "look!" i said, >pointing. "see that? that means "no joni content" that's so the members >who don't want to read stuff that isn't about joni, can skip over those >posts! LOOK at them all!" > >"what's that mean?" she asked. "SOME joni content," i replied, starting to >feel embarrassed. sure enough, my explanation was given the dreaded >eye-roll. but she was still there. i figured that meant SOMEthing! "can i >read one?" she asked. > >i was amazed. sure! i said. and i moved out of the way so she could sit >down. she moved the mouse up and down the long list of posts, as i stood to >the side, wishing i'd subscribed to digest only. she selected a JC post. oh >oh. > >...now, allow me to interrupt this tale of woe to tell you something i am >sure MOST of you already know. i am a cool dad! in fact i was voted number >one by rebecca's very own peer group! it's true! maybe 7-10 teenage girls >who have known each other since kindergarten, and all of the respective >parents have come to know each other over the years. we frequently get >together during the summer months for barbeques and soft ball. well YOURS >TRULY was voted the "coolest father" by this group of girls in TWO >categories. all around cool AND best dressed! (i think it was the fact that >i owned alanis morrissette's "jagged little pill" before any of THEM had even >heard of her that put me over the top.) anyway, as i watched rebecca scan up >and down the list of posts, browsing through the subject lines, i knew what >there was more at stake than just her perception of this wacky list. my >coolness was at stake! > >well, you can guess the rest of this story. the post turned out to be >someone musing on joni's 70's permanent and how joni would never succumb to a >face lift, after all "happiness was the best facelift" and blah blah blah. >rebecca turned to give me a look that could peel the paint off the side of a >barn. "ok," she said in her most withery tone, "this is just weird." and she >pushed the keyboard away and walked into her room. after only one post! the >door closed without a word! > >"well, i think its weird too!" i called after her. but it was too late. i >wonder if she will ever look at me quite the same way again. > >"am i still the cool dad?" i asked, laughing it all away... > >no answer. > >screw it, i thought. "clean your room" > >what the hell? if i am condemned to a long fall from grace, (probably not >all that long!) the least i can do is make her clean her f-ing room. sigh. >what's the matter with kids these days? > >peace. ric > >ps. play nice listers! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 18:42:51 -0500 From: "Victor Johnson" Subject: Re: offer withdrawn > A few days ago I made an offer which in terms of time would have cost me > at least 3 days and about $100. This was to donate a joni/jmdl sweater. > This was no little hurried job. You would have had a quality, > professional garment worth about $150. > It doesn't bother me that you weren't interested. What bothers me is > that not one person even bothered to reply. I read that offer and I thought it would be a generous contribution to the JMDL. However, I didn't think of replying as I don't have very little to contribute at this time though it sounded like a great gift for someone who felt like contributing some substantial amount. Most of the time I post things very few people ever respond with any kind of comment though I appreciate people who do. I can understand that you would have liked some kind of response. I recently posted the lyrics to a song that was inspired by the jonifest and Joni and I think only one person made any kind of comment so I can understand where you are coming from. But anyway, the JMDL is just not the top priority for me right now so it just didn't occur to me to respond at this time. I do think people would appreciate something like that very much though. Victor Johnson http://www.cdbaby.com/victorjohnson "Just beyond the morning falls the river of your dreams, Escaping from the day these wild creatures run away." Victor Johnson ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 16:46:15 -0800 From: "BRIAN SYMES" Subject: Joni's Jazz When I heard "The man I Love" on our local jazz station. I went right out and Bought the HH CD and was slightly dissapointed Joni was not on every track, But at least she had two. I Agree with a lot of What Richard said in his post, But you can not Label Joni Doing Jazz songs as Jazz. I think of Joni's Music in the League of what Frank Lloyd Wright was in Architecture. Something so distinct that you can not Label it. A quality with out a name. NP Etta James, Some one to watch over me - ----------------------- Free Email Service provided to you by Office.com, a service from Winstar ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 02:05:21 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: offer withdrawn > I read that offer and I thought it would be a generous contribution to the > JMDL. However, I didn't think of replying as I don't have very little to > contribute at this time though it sounded like a great gift for someone who > felt like contributing some substantial amount. The idea was that it would be raffled or auctioned at the joni fest. No one would have to lay out anything but a small sum. Not a lot different to bringing a cake except this would have been substanially more time and effort and money on my part! The proceeds would have then gone to the cause, which I think was Jim's medical expenses. Anyway, it didn't appeal so it is rather a mute point now! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 21:43:56 EST From: Coyote4Joni@aol.com Subject: Re: my long fall from grace... In a message dated 3/28/01 3:12:32 PM Pacific Standard Time, luvart@snet.net writes: << anyone else get the old eyeball roll from family and friends when they know you are e-mailing about joni? >> Hi Heather! Oh ya, I get that and more. In fact, most of my friends and family think I am weird to have made friends (the people I call my Joni friends) on the Internet. "Aren't you afraid," they ask. Heck no, the people I have met from this list have become fast and enduring friendships. Without exception and more are coming into life daily. In these last few days of List bashing and drama, I can safely say you of kindred spirit have greatly enriched my life. I have learned a lot about Joni, and even more about music in general. People come and people go, just like in the other aspects of life, but I have noticed most people from the List eventually come back. I did. If they don't, when you see them, it's like, "so what's going on with the List." We can't get enough of this stuff. We have a lot to be grateful for folks, five years ago my Joni knowledge was elementary compared to what I know today. Absent this List, I would have probably never known about the Mendel exhibit last summer, a very cool experience. Thanks to you all. No regrets (ever), Coyote Rick Casa Alegre Hollywood, California ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 22:12:02 -0500 From: Heather Subject: Re: my long fall from grace... I like what you wrote, Rick. I feel the same way. I have been listening to Joni's music for many years and until this list I never knew so many other people had the same appreciation for her music. And the people I have met on this list .... well, I have met many and have always felt that I could talk to anyone of them like I have known them all my life ... like a brother or sister. Heck, I can quote a line or verse from one of Joni's songs to a JMDLer and they know just what I am trying to express. Some of Joni's early work came right at a time in my life when I need sense thrown back my way. This is something that Kakki and I shared. That is why I was sad to see her leave. I have a feeling she will pop back around :-) As ever, Heather At 09:43 PM 3/28/01 -0500, Coyote4Joni@aol.com wrote: >Oh ya, I get that and more. In fact, most of my friends and family think I >am weird to have made friends (the people I call my Joni friends) on the >Internet. "Aren't you afraid," they ask. Heck no, the people I have met >from this list have become fast and enduring friendships. > >Without exception and more are coming into life daily. > >In these last few days of List bashing and drama, I can safely say you of >kindred spirit have greatly enriched my life. I have learned a lot about >Joni, and even more about music in general. People come and people go, just >like in the other aspects of life, but I have noticed most people from the >List eventually come back. I did. If they don't, when you see them, it's >like, "so what's going on with the List." We can't get enough of this stuff. > We have a lot to be grateful for folks, five years ago my Joni knowledge > was >elementary compared to what I know today. Absent this List, I would have >probably never known about the Mendel exhibit last summer, a very cool >experience. Thanks to you all. > >No regrets (ever), > >Coyote Rick >Casa Alegre >Hollywood, California ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 22:41:40 -0500 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: 100% JC, Was:"back in my home town, they would have cleared the floor just to watch the rain come down..." Gawd Shane, That was great. I loved this post. (See what Kakki's missing?) I really like that you ended with the phrase "accomplished daughter". I liked this post I'm going to break the rules and re-post it in its entirety. Thanks Shane. **** Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 11:10:31 -0700 From: "shane mattison" Subject: "back in my home town, they would have cleared the floor just to watch the rain come down..." sitting with my morning java...i contemplate the prairie sun filtering through my den blinds, a prairie sun that knows no borders...so thoughts on "paprika plains" from my favourite joni album DJRD... favourite because it was a kind of creative peak... it had some of the polish of "hejira" but added an experimental edge, coupled with the romantic ravings of jaco taken just a little further...a wide variety of creativity here with links to all points of joni's creative career, there is stompin' beat, romantic rhapsody, social satire, symphonic composition, and the sublime acoustic reverie "silky veils of ardour" finale....the satisfaction of "paprika plains" covering the whole side of the LP, a piece that shares joni's canadian prairie identity...both of my parents were raised on sakatchewan farms and i spent many days there on tractor and combine... i know this heartland...and its glorious! Yes, there are no borders in the sense that the piece is similar to aron copeland....on the other hand, joni is referring in the above subject quote "they would have cleared the floor" to maidstone, saskatchewan, joni's home after being born in fort macleod, alberta,...moving to sask at age 3...so, let's admit it...this is canadian geography and topography we're talking about... these saskatchewan farmers would indeed have cleared the floor...calgary's 16"s of rain per annum would have seemed a luxury to them...because its a great composition it becomes universal and can just as easily be identified with in nebraska or kansas... but properly speaking we are dealing with saskatchewan...a prairie province of canada...where wheat is king...where joni's parents still reside...where she still returns "home" every year...where she took larry klein to share its stark landscape...and she sees don freed in between his musical journeys to the always present native communities...saskatchewan is joni mitchell and they can be proud that she is and will always be their accomplished daughter... shane mattison **** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 22:42:27 EST From: TerryM2222@aol.com Subject: Kakki Though I've only been reading bits and pieces these last few days, I did read about Kakki's departure, yet can't find any reference to what caused her to leave. Kakki and I came to this list around the same time- when it was still a newborn. I just can't bear to think of this list without her humor, wisdom and kind heart. So, I refuse to believe that her departure is permanent. Kakki, if you're reading this, please take some time off to refuel. But don't stay away for long. xoxoxo Terry ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2001 #102 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she?