From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2001 #101 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Tuesday, March 27 2001 Volume 2001 : Number 101 The 'Official' Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. Information on the 4th "Annual" New England JoniFest: http://www.jmdl.com/jfne2001.cfm The Joni Chat Room: http://www.jmdl.com/chat.cfm ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- giddy is good ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: Definition of BIMBO [Jerry Notaro ] =?UTF-8?Q?Sofie=20von=20Otter=20-please=20do=20!!!!!!!!?= [Mauski4648@aol] tape trees [Jodcrazee@aol.com] DVD on sale at Amazon ["Janine Sherman" ] Re: Hello [Jerry Notaro ] New Email Address [Coyote4Joni@aol.com] Re: DVD on sale at Amazon [Jerry Notaro ] Re: tape trees [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Joni on the Sunshine Coast? ["Karin Wace" ] Covers #15 Lotto...we have a winner! [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Joni on the Sunshine Coast? [RoseMJoy@aol.com] Re: Partir, c'est mourir un peu [Phyliss Ward ] (No subject) [sprout@eircom.net] In my dweemz (very little Joni content) [CarltonCT@aol.com] let me introduce myself [Jodcrazee@aol.com] JMDL goes on holiday [Les Irvin ] Anyone Going? ["Cooper, Michael" ] Joni's Jazz. [Richard Rice ] Re: Anyone Going? [Jerry Notaro ] Joni Art Influences. [Richard Rice ] my long fall from grace... [Ricw1217@aol.com] paprika plains [Bruce Kimerer ] Even More Urgent [Emilia Bedelia ] Re: let me introduce myself [MGVal@aol.com] RE: Even More Urgent ["Deb Messling" ] RE: Joni's Jazz. ["Deb Messling" ] Re: Even More Urgent [catman ] Re: JMDL Digest V2001 #144 [catman ] POSITIVE! ["Harp@louislynch.com" ] Wally Breese [Vince Lavieri ] Re: Wally Breese [MGVal@aol.com] DVD-Audio version of BSN ["Jim L'Hommedieu" ] RE: Partir, c'est mourir un peu ["Brett Code" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 00:52:36 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: giddy is good Lama said, "Since when is calling someone "giddy", the same thing as misogyny?" It isn't Lama, you just misunderstood. There is nothing wrong with giddy. It was the word bimbo I took issue with because when used to describe a woman, it is disparaging & offensive (even my dictionary tells me so). However I have now learned it also means something different if you are Italian. ******************************************** Kate Bennett www.katebennett.com sponsored by Polysonics www.polysonics.com Discover the Indies at Taylor Guitars: http://www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/bennett.html ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 08:42:06 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Definition of BIMBO Nice try, Louis. A search of the dictionaries shows: Cambridge Dictionary of American English: bimbo noun [C] SLANG a young woman considered attractive but stupid This word is offensive. The American Heritage. Dictionary of the English Language: Fourth Edition. 2000. bimbo NOUN : Inflected forms: pl. bos 1. Slang A woman regarded as vacuous or as having an exaggerated interest in her sexual appeal. 2. Slang A vacuous person: a male bimbo  who even has to be tutored  in the clichis that comprise the basic interview (George F. Will) ETYMOLOGY: PERHAPS from Italian bimbo, baby. Oxford English Dictionary: A woman; esp. a whore. 1929 Amer. Speech IV. 338 Bimbo, a woman. 1937 Detective Fiction Weekly 3 Apr. 20/2 We found Durken and Frenchy LaSeur, seated at a table..with a pair of blonde bimboes beside them. 1952 S. KAUFFMANN Philanderer (1953) xii. 194 Not that you were just a bimbo to me... I've discovered that I'm a little in love with you, too. From The Random House Webster's Unabridged Dictionary bimbo (n., pl.) bim7bo Disparaging and Offensive. an attractive but stupid young woman, esp. one with loose morals. Jerry "Harp@louislynch.com" wrote: > Jerry, > > How dare you try to tell me or anyone else the word BIMBO is sexist? You're > dead wrong, buddy. > > And Marcel's calling Julia Roberts a "bimbo" is no more sexist than the New > York Times calling her "giddy." Before you automatically accuse someone of > using a "sexist" word, you ought to learn what the word means. > > It's an Italian word, and it applies to both men and women. In fact, it is > used more often for men than it is for women. Remember, Italian guys aren't > fast to insult women, but they'll call each other names in a hurry. My old > boss at the pizzeria I worked when I was 16 used to call us guys bimbos if > we did something wrong. I never heard Tony call a woman that name, or any > other name actually. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 08:49:12 EST From: Mauski4648@aol.com Subject: =?UTF-8?Q?Sofie=20von=20Otter=20-please=20do=20!!!!!!!!?= Someone mentioned Sofie von Otter, the Swedish singer. I wish she would record some of Joni's songs. I really could imagine how good those songs would sound. Karin from Germany ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 09:05:16 EST From: Jodcrazee@aol.com Subject: tape trees My wish list: A copy of the Joni cd tree and the videos. Can anyone help me? Thanks ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 09:14:49 -0500 From: "Janine Sherman" Subject: DVD on sale at Amazon I just received this notice form Amazon. Both Sides Now Joni Mitchell Release date: March 27, 2001 Rating: Unrated Format: DVD Click here for more information Our Price: $17.48 | You Save: $7.49 (30%) - -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- If you'd like to add, change, or delete an Alert, please visit your Amazon.com Subscriptions page: http://www.amazon.com/subscriptions _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 09:20:58 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Hello Bruce Kimerer wrote: > Greetings > > I have just discovered this site and its discussion area. You have found the best group of Joni lovers anywhere. > (Question: How do you guys quote previous messages in your own? Cut and > paste?) That is how I do it. > > > I have been a JM fan since Ladies of the Canyon, though I tuned out > after Mingus, then got distracted and missed her work of the 80s, and > only returned to listening with Turbulent Indigo. That return sent me > back into the older material. I would say that is true for many Joni lovers. Mingus sent me running until a serious listen to TI. > > > In looking at the poll results for albums and songs, I was sorta > surprised where Don Juan ended up on the list -- and how low Paprika > Plains was postioned. Which leads me to my question: Were the unsung > lyrics to Paprika Plains that were printed with the album ever intended > to be sung? And, if so, were they ever performed in concert? Not to my knowledge. > > > Unfortunately, I have never seen JM in performance. Has she ever > performed Paprika Plains? There would be many a list member that would crawl to that event, even if it was the only song she performed. > Though at the time of its release I didn't > care much for PP, I now think it brilliant and beautiful and very > moving. In fact, I wish JM had followed the 'symphonic' muse evidenced > in PP a little further. I was sort of hoping the orchestral arrangements > on Both Sides Now would continue the sweeping originality of PP, but I > was disappointed. Many would agree. But her intent (and result) was much more traditional than symphonic. > > > Any answers to my PP questions would be greatly appreciated. > > Bruce > > (And what does that 'np' mean that people use to list a song at the end > of ther posts?) Now playing. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 09:34:40 EST From: Coyote4Joni@aol.com Subject: New Email Address Hey Gang: I've moved again, back to Casa Alegre, and wanted you to have my new email address: Coyote4Joni@aol.com I didn't mark this NJC so my Joni-only friends can get this email. Sorry to the others. Thanks, Coyote Rick ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 09:38:32 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: DVD on sale at Amazon Janine Sherman wrote: > I just received this notice form Amazon. > > Both Sides Now > Joni Mitchell > Release date: March 27, 2001 > Rating: Unrated > Format: DVD > Click here for more information > > Our Price: $17.48 | You Save: $7.49 (30%) I just checked Warner Bros. It is the DVD Audio Disc. Not available until April 10th. Can't wait to hear a review of it from a list member. Anyone have a dvd audio player with proper bass management and set up? Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 09:44:25 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: tape trees <> Jodcrazee, I can help with the CD's...I'll count on someone else to step up regading the vids. I'll e-mail you back with the details... NOW, *MY* wish list: Dinner with Laura Linney Can anyone help? ;~) Bob NP: Grand Funk, "I Don't Have to Sing The Blues" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 09:31:02 -0800 From: "Karin Wace" Subject: Joni on the Sunshine Coast? Am I nuts or did I see Joni Mitchell while I was walking on a trail on the Sunshine Coast close to Madeira Park? I spoke to her briefly but didn't ask her if she was Joni or not. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 13:32:08 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Covers #15 Lotto...we have a winner! Oh. I forgot. The Lotto for Covers 15 expired last night at midnight, so it's time to declare the winner of this 2-CD set of Joni's songs as performed by a variety of artists. The grand prize winner is the mighty, mighty "Heart Attack Jack" Merkel! My number was 299, Jack dang near hit a bullseye with 297. I was also delirious with joy that Vad took a guess, even had his wife make a guess (very clever, those Ukranians!). Send me your address, Jack, and this set will wing its way to your domain...congrats, dude! Speaking of Vad, I had a delightful chat with him in the Joni chatroom this past weekend. Yael and Joe Farrell joined us, and Marcel popped in as well. Of course, we all whacked him in the head with the board. And that was even BEFORE the Oscars! ;~) Bob NP: Grant Lee Buffalo, "Mockingbirds" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 13:39:45 EST From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni on the Sunshine Coast? In a message dated 3/27/01 12:44:11 PM Eastern Standard Time, artchick66@hotmail.com writes: > Am I nuts or did I see Joni Mitchell while I was walking on a trail on the > Sunshine Coast close to Madeira Park? I spoke to her briefly but didn't > ask > her if she was Joni or not. > Heaven's to Betsy and what did she say to you? Details, details please. - -Rose in NJ rosemjoy@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 11:17:41 -0800 From: Phyliss Ward Subject: Re: Partir, c'est mourir un peu You can speak for this mostly lurker anytime John. Especially when you do it so eloquently! John van Tiel wrote: > I have been on this list almost from the very start. So have Kakki and Ashara. > I lurk ('stand in the wings'), they don't. I share off-list. They share > off-list AND on-list. Perhaps I have a right to speak for the long-term > lurkers: The JMDL is so great because you and Ashara and Marcel and Bob and > Paz and Hell and Patrick and Catherine (plural) and Jerry and Harper-Lou and > Colin and Penny and Vince and Leslie and Mark and Jim and Steve and Mary-Grace > and Wally and Kate and Mags and Brett and Alison and Jan and Lory and Marian > and Ric and Robert and Paul and Heather and Victor and Garret and Lahm and > Randy and Rose and Steve and Barbara and many many many others do not lurk. > You share. You have the guts to share in a public forum. Believe me, it > takes guts. Ask the average lurker (off-list). - -- Phyliss mailto:pward@datacourse.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 19:21:12 +0000 From: sprout@eircom.net Subject: (No subject) the first time i listened to the album For The Roses i was unsure how to react. i confess that to you all now, this rainy tuesday at the end of march. before i ever heard the album i knew YTMOIAR, CBS&SF, FTR, and WOHAM from the various compilations (hits, missed, MOA) and i loved these songs. overall, howver, the album failed to make me love it. so, i gave it another chance. again, the album didn't make me love it. so i gave it just one more chance. i wanted to listen to it some more, but who could find teh time? my thought on it at the time: yes, Joni is, as ever, utterly admirable for her artistic integrity. yes, the lyrics are great, and yes, some of the music is amazing, but still....the album didn't quite get to me the way the others had! at the time i was planning my trip to america and was deciding which cd's i just coudn't live without. i co-ordinated things like Rdiohead and Jeff Buckley and massive attack with friends to ensure that between us we brought the best selection possible. it was up to me to bring the likes of fleetwood mac, Rufus Wainwright, and Joni Mitchell. Mere days before i signed off jmdl Kakki mentioned the effect FTR had had on her ( i believe it was in relation to the extra songs Joni performed on the BSN tour). on the strength of her words i decided to give the album another chance to let me love it, so i put it in my bag. Joni's 1972 masterpiece sat in my bag for six weeks. one sunny morning i really really wanted to hear CBS&SF, so i broke out the old album. it just so happened that this was the day i was due to have my photograph taken by a local newspaper that had previoiusly interviewed me (ultimately my picture wasn't used in the article, but it was great fun to be in my house posing with a Toni Morrison book as an ever so slightly eccentric photographer climbed on the backs of chairs to get the right angle, and me worrying that his dog would do a little *too* much snooping). See You Sometime was just starting (for the fifth time) when the photographer said something to the effect of "forgive my ignorance, but is this Joni Mitchell?". well, you can imgaine my raised eyebrows!! he asked if it was the new album, so i explained my love for Joni and my wish to love this album. while explaining this to the gentleman i realised that it was the words of Kakki i was almost echoing. later i was surprised to note that the album played in my head all the time. my grandfather died that august; i never returned to Ireland for the funeral. it was a difficult time for me, and i know that i made it hard for those around me. and all the time the album played in my head. i don't need to attempt an explanation i guess, but the album really did give me comfort. from mid august until whenever KidA was released Eva Cassidys Time After Time album and For the Roses were virtually exclusive sounds coming from my cd player. at the moment, Judgement of the moon and stars is my "favourite" Joni track. thank you for that Kakki. Kakki must know that she has had an effect on a lot of poeple on this list. my small example is just one of many that could be told, and even that is something that her mere *everyday conversation* influenced, let alone her more thought out, reasonable, and eloquent discussions. Kakki will be sorely missed by 'most everyone, even those she may never have realised that she affected. it has been expressed in better words than i could spin, so i'll just add a big fat "me too" to the wish that your departure will be temporary Kakki, or that maybe you'll be waiting in the wings, waiting... because everyone hates to have less than what they had before. Love and Luck GARRET NP- Joni- Get Together, PBS 30.11.69. ((just gotten to the part where Joni declares that "life is too short")) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 15:18:26 EST From: CarltonCT@aol.com Subject: In my dweemz (very little Joni content) I want to thank all of you who helped me fulfill my dream of having the number one CD, SALT WATER, and the number one track, BOYS ON THE SAND which rode high on the charts for two weeks at www.Outvoice.com. This week my songs and an interview with me will be broadcast on the program THIS WAY OUT which is featured on 125 public radio programs, so thanks for helping me get some recognition! Last night I had a new dream: I was dating this fading, alcoholic rock star who looked incredibly like Kris Kristofferson. He was scheduled to perform at the White Party in Palm Springs after Deborah Cox had to cancel. He knew it was the wrong venue for him, but went on stage with his band anyway. The crowd, drugged on X and restless to dance, had no idea what he was doing there and started to boo as he played "Watch Closely Now." I felt sad for him as I looked on from the wings. Suddenly, my boyfriend stopped playing. As the crowd chanted for Deborah, "Kris" took me by the arm and dragged me out to the microphone. I didn't want to go on stage -- I wasn't wearing white, felt about ten pounds overweight, and recently I had gotten a new hairdo from a guy named Jon Peters in Beverly Hills that I didn't like (it was kind of an afro/perm which made me look like Harpo Marx). Regardless, I strapped on my guitar, tried not to cry, and started singing "Boys on the Sand". The crowd quieted and my singing grew more confident. I turned around to see my background singers, The Three Tenors, were sidling in behind me. Soon, I was rocking, and so was the house. I went into another song, SHINE, with a dance beat, and Joni Mitchell joined me for a duet. Afterwards, I was swept off stage to a press conference. Immediately afterward, I was given an 8 record deal and signed with Tommy Mottola to manage me. Well, the above dream seems less likely to happen, but you can help me get back on top just one more time by voting for SALT WATER as the number one CD and BOYS ON THE SAND as the number one track at www.outvoice.com. Just go to "Vote" and fill in the blanks. You don't have to be gay, and you don't even have to have heard the music, but when I do my press kit, I can say I was at number one for four weeks. And I promise this will be last the time I ask you to do this. xxoo, Clark Carlton www.cdbaby.com/clarkcarlton (free music samples) >> Return-path: From: CarltonCT@aol.com Full-name: CarltonCT Message-ID: <36.1392f929.27f24ead@aol.com> Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 15:14:37 EST Subject: My dreams To: aalejandro@slgg.com, BernE@aol.com, ggoldberg@specpub.com, Baderkins@aol.com, ADBinLA@aol.com, kate@katebennett.com, rteast@earthlink.net, Bloomusic@aol.com, cheard@home.com, BOHRMAN1@aol.com, PtsBeyond@aol.com, alphacat@loop.com, tanvigna@sympatico.ca, Danlaffit@aol.com, shanchri@enoreo.on.ca, scott@scottcole.com, MWCOLLEARY@aol.com, spyboy@earthlink.net, Nick.Cuccia@latimes.com, dbash@cts.com, Rondeand@aol.com, Universalink@compuserve.com, JimDerner@aol.com, JJosie157@aol.com, steve@psitech.com, elissamcbride@hotmail.com, gemerson@pol.net, EHammerlund@zgf.com, SashaFerrer@aol.com, toby.flores@ssa.gov, vertig@earthlink.net, robert.gilmore@harbinger.com, StephenGoldsmith@aol.com, Remodul@aol.com, xheart@concentric.net, kakkib@att.net, KakkiB@worldnet.att.net, MH1997@aol.com, CampHiHill@aol.com, hollster@gateway.net, THuck2@aol.com, LucidREMsm@aol.com, Gjackson@ucla.edu, bk820@lafn.org, dsk11@bellatlantic.net, margueritek@netscape.net, jlamadoo@home.com, revrvl@pathwaynet.com, patrickl16@earthlink.net, GLdzn@aol.com, DARICEM@sfpl.lib.ca.us, marian@jmdl.com, M.Russell@iaea.org, mark-n-travis@worldnet.att.net, mark.travis@gte.net, bmarkee@saltonusa.com, olorinwander@yahoo.com, dino991@prodigy.net, emcbride@interlog.com, bmccoll@motioninternational.com, MDESTE1@aol.com, messling@enter.net, rk.kula@verizon.net, bryanmla@yahoo.com, neatguycom@yahoo.com, SCJoniGuy@aol.com, reynoldsent@mediaone.net, jamespatrick7556@juno.com, michaelpaz@worldnet.att.net, macpep@earthlink.net, DPevs@aol.com, Ken.Pimental@sce.com, PMRPERFECT@aol.com, capowell@pacbell.net, sp@olympus.net, Lapislapis@aol.com, Stephen.Rayburn@warnerbros.com, LALondon@aol.com, raoul_duke84@hotmail.com, RbtRodi@aol.com, broskam@earthlink.net, Pitzel@webtv.net, John1117@aol.com, PMSSWP@aol.com, Jxsierra@aol.com, Dslyrics@aol.com, pspillane@invesdev.com, thehenhouse@earthlink.net, FMYFL@aol.com, HARTKID@aol.com, jill@opticalres.com, BenAtlanta@aol.com, ertorres@email.msn.com., wallykai@fibertel.com.ar, roycroft@gateway.net, scottw@newwaveent.com, DGZAK@aol.com, mabutimoose@yahoo.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 28 I want to thank all of you who helped me fulfill my dream of having the number one CD, SALT WATER, and the number one track, BOYS ON THE SAND which rode high on the charts for two weeks at www.Outvoice.com. This week my songs and an interview with me will be broadcast on the program THIS WAY OUT which is featured on 125 public radio programs, so thanks for helping me get some recognition! Last night I had a new dream: I was dating this fading, alcoholic rock star who looked incredibly like Kris Kristofferson. He was scheduled to perform at the White Party in Palm Springs after Deborah Cox had to cancel. He knew it was the wrong venue for him, but went on stage with his band anyway. The crowd, drugged on X and restless to dance, had no idea what he was doing there and started to boo as he played "Watch Closely Now." I felt sad for him as I looked on from the wings. Suddenly, my boyfriend stopped playing. As the crowd chanted for Deborah, "Kris" took me by the arm and dragged me out to the microphone. I didn't want to go on stage -- I wasn't wearing white, felt about ten pounds overweight, and recently I had gotten a new hairdo from a guy named Jon Peters in Beverly Hills that I didn't like (it was kind of an afro/perm which made me look like Harpo Marx). Regardless, I strapped on my guitar, tried not to cry, and started singing "Boys on the Sand". The crowd quieted and my singing grew more confident. I turned around to see my background singers, The Three Tenors, were sidling in behind me. Soon, I was rocking, and so was the house. I went into another song, SHINE, with a dance beat, and Joni Mitchell joined me for a duet. Afterwards, I was swept off stage to a press conference. Immediately afterward, I was given an 8 record deal and signed with Tommy Mottola to manage me. Well, the above dream seems less likely to happen, but you can help me get back on top just one more time by voting for SALT WATER as the number one CD and BOYS ON THE SAND as the number one track at www.outvoice.com. Just go to "Vote" and fill in the blanks. You don't have to be gay, and you don't even have to have heard the music, but when I do my press kit, I can say I was at number one for four weeks. And I promise this will be last the time I ask you to do this. xxoo, Clark Carlton www.cdbaby.com/clarkcarlton (free music samples) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 15:31:43 EST From: Jodcrazee@aol.com Subject: let me introduce myself I e-mailed someone privately and she said I should have posted it to the group so I will. I told her how 'Hejira' was my first Joni studio album. Having worn out ' Miles of Aisles'- Complete with photograph of the place I saw her twice perform-PineKnob Clarkston, Michigan. I was 13 years old in 8th grade in 1980 and had no clue as to where to begin to collect Joni's albums. I chose 'Hejira' and I always thought that was why if I was ever forced to choose a favorite album it would be 'Hejira'- because that was really my introduction to her work. Imagine my surprise when I looked at the song and album poll and my favorite song "Amelia" was posted at the top along with 'Hejira'. I had grown alot and been through some of the things Joni sings about so when I got my first cd player and started collecting her music on cd I felt like I had discovered her all over again. Here is a cute little story. When her 13 yr. old daughter started isolating and listening to Joni Mitchell, my Mom was frantic. She went to my sister and said something had to be done. My sister said not to worry she would get me into Neil Young- well guess who my top favorite artists are?Here are some clues- they both come from Canada. They both were struck with polio and they share the same record company. Mother tried hard to 'get' Joni's lyrics but always got lost and wondered what she was missing. I gave my Mom and Dad a copy of BSN thinking Mother would relate better to that work. No feedback yet but Dad loves the cd ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 13:39:29 -0700 From: Les Irvin Subject: JMDL goes on holiday Joniphiles - The JMDL is taking a day off... and not a moment too soon. :-) The gracious folks at SMOE, who host the list, are moving their servers to Boston (the International JoniFest Headquarters) from somewhere in Maryland this Thursday, March 29th. You will receive no mail from the JMDL on that day. Any posts sent to the JMDL will be queued and spit out all at once when the servers are back on line. The chat room and website (independent of SMOE) will continue to function as usual. Les - who knows that Bimbo Coles of the Cleveland Cavs is a TRUE Bimbo ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 16:24:52 -0500 From: "Cooper, Michael" Subject: Anyone Going? Hi, I'm taking a shot in the dark here. If anyone is going to this show tonight and walks away with a magnetic memory I'd love to get a copy!!!! Mike MAMAS AND PAPAS SALUTE PHILLIPS The two surviving members of the MAMAS AND THE PAPAS, MICHELLE PHILLIPS and DENNY DOHERTY, will headline a tribute concert to group leader and songwriter JOHN PHILLIPS, who died last week of heart failure. Three of Phillips' children, singer CHYNNA, singer/actress BIJOU and actress MACKENZIE, will also perform, as will special guests MIKE LOVE of the BEACH BOYS and SEAN LENNON. The tribute is set for the Roxy in Los Angeles tonight. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 15:18:56 -0600 From: Richard Rice Subject: Joni's Jazz. What makes Jazz? Forgive my speaking with feint knowledge... Most of Joni's jazz is Joni singing with Jazz inflections. Or jazzer band members adding a flurish of jazz flurishes (sp?) to her music. Shrew, er, shrewd as she is, Joni recognizes how these bits and pieces help color and give character to the music. But she has often admitted herself, her jazz isn't true jazz. Certainly, jazz purists would balk at the idea of including her in the core camp. Why? From a performance stand point, jazz singing requires improvisation. It's a lively, spur of the moment, heart felt spin on the melody line to bring something fresh to the bar each time the song is sung. Joni has toyed with her melodic lines here and there, but not quite in the jazz spirit of Ella or Sarah. Mostly because her music demands the telling of a narrative, more than the grace of the melodic line. Nor did Joni have the 'chops' I think, to pull this sort of thing off. From a compositional stand point, traditional jazz music has chord progressions and resolutions particular to the idiom. Joni's chords never fit that bill, although they are similar because they are also wide, having lots of higher notes added above the bass note. Perhaps you well informed jazz players might jump in here and enlighten us scrubs with a Jazz Harmony 101 lesson. What the heck is up with those diminished 7ths and 13ths and whatever??? Paz? When Hissing of Summer Lawns came out, as striking as the music was, it was her new voice that reallllllllly floored me. Deeper, huskier and breathy, with a wonderful jazz inflection. Ignorant as I was, I mistook it for Jazz singing, but in reflection now, I see clearly it was not. Like jazz she is allowing her phrasing to come in on the bar with a great deal of freedom. It's off the rock beat entirely. Her jazz inflections and pitch are improved here with Centerpiece. Definitely more in tuned to the fabulous piano work behind her. Way to go, Mr. Sample. Blue Motel Room rocks my world to this day. Much as I like her doing jazz, but I prefer original Joni or anything. So to have a touch of both in one song....just heaven. Again, the chords aren't jazz chords. Just music "...with a jazz feel." By the time she added Cotton Ave. to her catalogue, I was thinking in my own mind, "Wouldn't an entire album of original Jazz material be nice from Joni?" -It seems Charles Mingus was thinking the same thing. Alas, as adventuresome as Mingus is, it fails as good jazz. Fails in the sense that the jazz idiom has so many brilliant, brilliant singers. If you want to strut in this ball park, it's best to change the underwear. Only goddesses walk in this camp and survive. In pitch, rhythm, intonation, you name it, Joni falls short. As she noted in interviews afterwards, -I'm paraphrasing here-... 'perhaps people were annoyed with a weariness in my voice.' Mingus lacks the snap and sparkle of voice that a real jazz singer like Ella would have brought to the table. It's beautiful music, for sure; very dense and rich with complexity. But hey, were talking Joni and Mingus here!!! Given both their natures, I actually think "Mingus" is rather tame with it's jazz tunes. I would love to here the tracks Joni did with the other bands before she settled on the album we got. Charles' original idea of having Joni distill T.S. Eliott poetry over a symphonic jazz track seems more the 'tough' material I would expect from the two of them. Mingus was not one to write piano music for the bar. "Order me a gin and tonic." And yet, the jazz songs recorded here are almost just that. Leave it to our Joan, brave soul that she is, to add a few tracks that have kick and bite to them in regard to being 'out of the norm.' 'God must be a Boogie Man' and 'The Wolf that Lives in Lindsey' certainly would make anyone go (!?!) on first listen. I may be wrong, but I think Joni has been determined ever since to prove her critics wrong as to ability to sing jazz. (As well as to prove it to herself.) I can't recall the tape tree it's on, but that early live performance of the Mingus material is proof of 'where she was' as a jazz singer. She stops and starts again, losing herself in the complex rhythm of the Dry Cleaner. Her pitch fails her here and there. It's verrrry awkward. (You should have seen the LOOK Rich gave me, -jazz purist that he is- the first time he overheard me playing this...) Joni's best jazz take? Easy. Hands down, her performance of 'The Man I Love" on Herbie Hancock's disk is absolutely brilliant, flashy, singing that is PURE, UNADULTERATED, AUTHENTIC jazz. When Rich heard that, he went "Wow. she really has improved. She's singing with feeling and passion in this song." And if his vote is not proof enough, I give you Herbie Hancock himself. I recall in an interview she mentioned him being floored when she recorded this track, asking her, I paraphrase again, "Where did you get this NEW voice?????" So there you have it. Joni. Jazz. Go no farther than "The Man I love." Close second, her pitch on SummerTime on the Day in the Garden disk is brilliant in spots. Hair standing on end brilliant. Unfortunately, by the end she's lost her voice a bit. Still, you can see in the smiles on her face on the video, she KNEW she was on. Rich still pokes fun at BSN from time to time. When I told him Joni was doing a jazz cd, he was expecting 9 or 10 tracks in a similar vein to "The Man I Love." Small, tight band, with her voice squarely in the foreground. I must admit, he's right from a jazz point of view, it would have made for a more original cd. One that might have put a disk of her's on the 'must' list of Jazz purists. O well.... them's the breaks. I still enjoy BSN, as I grew up loving the crooning style of Nat King Cole. BSN I would put more in a crooning class than a real jazzer class. Again, it's the improv that marks the difference. John. NP: pleading, begging, praying and more praying that Ashara stays with us. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 16:37:22 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Anyone Going? I'll bet Kakki will be there. Sad Jerry :-( "Cooper, Michael" wrote: > Hi, I'm taking a shot in the dark here. If anyone is going to this show > tonight and walks away with a magnetic memory I'd love to get a copy!!!! > > Mike > > MAMAS AND PAPAS SALUTE PHILLIPS > > The two surviving members of the MAMAS AND THE PAPAS, MICHELLE PHILLIPS and > DENNY DOHERTY, will headline a tribute concert to group leader and > songwriter JOHN PHILLIPS, who died last week of heart failure. Three of > Phillips' children, singer CHYNNA, singer/actress BIJOU and actress > MACKENZIE, will also perform, as will special guests MIKE LOVE of the BEACH > BOYS and SEAN LENNON. The tribute is set for the Roxy in Los Angeles > tonight. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 16:02:25 -0600 From: Richard Rice Subject: Joni Art Influences. Just in case you were wondering what the Canadian government is doing with the hard earned cash of Canucks... check this out: http://www.virtualmuseum.ca. It's the new virtual museum of Canada. Available for your viewing at a whopping cost of 19 million dollars. (Of course, in real dollars, -U.S.- that comes to 16,422 dollars and 75 cents...) Obviously the canadian government is interested in doing something other than moving snow... 19 million dollars on a website...!! Anyway, the Joni content... in the image gallery, one can find the work of the Group of Seven. Take special note of the artist A.Y. Jackson. You can definitely see his influence on Joni's work. I guess Van Gogh was not alone in stimulating our Diva. John. Still offering my fabu chocolate pecan pie to any lister wishing to come and break bread in big time Dekalb, Il. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 18:03:36 EST From: Ricw1217@aol.com Subject: my long fall from grace... ok listers. i am writing this on the sly because if my newly 17 year old daughter, rebecca, knew i was talking about her on this list she would make me pay...but i thought this was a kind of funny story and this list could use some levity. my willowy and lovely rebecca, a young woman now, has long endured my joni obsession. riding in my car, the cd player is pretty much all joni, all the time, and she has learned to groaning at my joni coffee mug from the both sides now tour. while she knows of this list she, i'm quite sure, just chalks it up to that side of her dad she would prefer to ignore. (she has learned, by osmosis, the words to big yellow taxi, and can sing it with her little sister to my never ending delight. but that's usually when she wants money...) anyway, a short time ago, she approached me as i sat at the computer, combing through my endless avalanche of email. "my god." she said. "all that email is for YOU???" (the implication in her inflection being fairly obvious, i thought...) "well, most of it is from my joni discussion list, so it really isn't all for ME..." i explained. i could tell she was intrigued. actually, baffled might be a more accurate word. "so all you guys email each other back and forth about joni mitchell?" i won't even try to describe the tone. many of you probably have teenagers, and most of you probably WERE teenagers once upon a time...the rest of you can use your imaginations. "no, no, no! we talk about all sorts of things! politics. religion. sexuality. other kinds of music." i think i was starting to sound desperate and i could tell she wasn't buying it. "look!" i said, pointing. "see that? that means "no joni content" that's so the members who don't want to read stuff that isn't about joni, can skip over those posts! LOOK at them all!" "what's that mean?" she asked. "SOME joni content," i replied, starting to feel embarrassed. sure enough, my explanation was given the dreaded eye-roll. but she was still there. i figured that meant SOMEthing! "can i read one?" she asked. i was amazed. sure! i said. and i moved out of the way so she could sit down. she moved the mouse up and down the long list of posts, as i stood to the side, wishing i'd subscribed to digest only. she selected a JC post. oh oh. ...now, allow me to interrupt this tale of woe to tell you something i am sure MOST of you already know. i am a cool dad! in fact i was voted number one by rebecca's very own peer group! it's true! maybe 7-10 teenage girls who have known each other since kindergarten, and all of the respective parents have come to know each other over the years. we frequently get together during the summer months for barbeques and soft ball. well YOURS TRULY was voted the "coolest father" by this group of girls in TWO categories. all around cool AND best dressed! (i think it was the fact that i owned alanis morrissette's "jagged little pill" before any of THEM had even heard of her that put me over the top.) anyway, as i watched rebecca scan up and down the list of posts, browsing through the subject lines, i knew what there was more at stake than just her perception of this wacky list. my coolness was at stake! well, you can guess the rest of this story. the post turned out to be someone musing on joni's 70's permanent and how joni would never succumb to a face lift, after all "happiness was the best facelift" and blah blah blah. rebecca turned to give me a look that could peel the paint off the side of a barn. "ok," she said in her most withery tone, "this is just weird." and she pushed the keyboard away and walked into her room. after only one post! the door closed without a word! "well, i think its weird too!" i called after her. but it was too late. i wonder if she will ever look at me quite the same way again. "am i still the cool dad?" i asked, laughing it all away... no answer. screw it, i thought. "clean your room" what the hell? if i am condemned to a long fall from grace, (probably not all that long!) the least i can do is make her clean her f-ing room. sigh. what's the matter with kids these days? peace. ric ps. play nice listers! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 18:27:49 -0500 From: Bruce Kimerer Subject: paprika plains Thanks, Jim, for your reply. Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 12:21:16 -0500 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Paprika Plains, njc You suggested: "You'll like the unreleased version of "Judgment of the Moon And Stars (Ludwig's Tune)" then. If you can imagine an orchestration that sounds like Aaron Copland's "Rodeo", you won't be far off." Yes, exactly. PP makes me think of music like Copland's. It's a great sonic picture of the weather and sky and landscape of the prairie. Intensely American. How does one hear unreleased versions of JM songs? Bruce NP: Silence ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 15:27:28 -0800 (PST) From: Emilia Bedelia Subject: Even More Urgent Hello again! I'm very thankful for all of the information you all have given me! I still have a question or two for you though. Since I have to dress up and actually be Joni on Friday i was wondering if anyone has any advice or tips on how i should talk, carry myself, ect. Any tips or advice will be extremely helpful to me!!!!!!! Thanks in advance!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Yahoo! Mail Personal Address - Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 18:47:32 EST From: MGVal@aol.com Subject: Re: let me introduce myself In a message dated 03/27/2001 12:50:55 PM Pacific Standard Time, Jodcrazee@aol.com writes: << e-mailed someone privately and she said I should have posted it to the group so I will >> Hey that someone was ME! And you guys think that I'm just an inner circle ramble rouster! Now if only my kids would take my advice as quickly to heart s J. O.D. here! Seriously, I'm glad that you've posted this to the list and thrilled that you have joined our incredibly diverse collection of people. If you keep your mind and heart open and flexible, the potential to form relationships with wonderful, magical people is vast. I know that I've been blessed by the people that I've grown to love here. (some of you know who you are, some of you don't - but the guessing anticipation is fun). Keep posting and coming back for more. Welcome! MG ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 18:49:46 -0500 From: "Deb Messling" Subject: RE: Even More Urgent The first thing you need to do is chain smoke, but your school may frown on that. A candy cigarette, perhaps? If you're adept with make-up, try to accentuate your cheekbones and paint a bigger mouth. How to talk? Nonstop! Joni is something of a stream-of-consciousness gabber, and her stories go all over creation before setttling in on a point. Take care with this approach, however, because ordinary mortals are boring when they ramble, and Joni is fascinating. So try to be fascinating. > Since I have to dress up and actually be Joni on Friday i was > wondering if anyone has any advice or tips on how i should talk, > carry myself, ect. Any tips or advice will be extremely helpful > to me!!!!!!! Thanks in advance!!!!!!!!!!!!!! - ----------------------------------- Deb Messling "I like cats. They give the home a heartbeat." ~Joni Mitchell - ----------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 18:54:17 -0500 From: "Deb Messling" Subject: RE: Joni's Jazz. I think we need to stop referring to BSN as a jazz CD. It won the grammy for best traditional pop vocal, and that's as good a description as any, and as traditional pop, it's breathtaking! IMO. > Rich still pokes fun at BSN from time to time. When I told him Joni was > doing a jazz cd, he was expecting 9 or 10 tracks in a similar vein to > "The Man I Love." Small, tight band, with her voice squarely in the > foreground. I must admit, he's right from a jazz point of view, it would > have made for a more original cd. - ----------------------------------- Deb Messling "I like cats. They give the home a heartbeat." ~Joni Mitchell - ----------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 01:25:24 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: Even More Urgent Get a packet of cigarettes, light afew, get a set oif flase buck teeth, a long bloned wig and walk with your nose in the air. Emilia Bedelia wrote: > Hello again! I'm very thankful for all of the information you all have given me! I still have a question or two for you though. Since I have to dress up and actually be Joni on Friday i was wondering if anyone has any advice or tips on how i should talk, carry myself, ect. Any tips or advice will be extremely helpful to me!!!!!!! Thanks in advance!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > Yahoo! Mail Personal Address - Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. - -- bw colin colin@tantra.fsbusiness.co.uk http://www.geocities.com/tantra_apso/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 01:30:03 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2001 #144 "Sally A. Bowers" wrote: > I sure hope I did not send the whole Digest, if I did, I am sorry. Please, I am getting my new Gatway on Friday, and this will never happen again from me...ever! Who was it that "Rondstadt" had a come back along with Bo > JMDL Digest wrote: You did but don't worry about it. Sally A. Bowers has a familiar ring to it. Is this a pseudonym and borrowed from somene famous? Is it the girl from cabaret? It ceratinly seems familiar. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 21:00:16 -0500 From: "Harp@louislynch.com" Subject: POSITIVE! Hello all. Someone sent me this link today. For a true inspiration, go to: http://www.webspirations.net/memo Hope you all appreciate receiving it as much as I did. Love, Harper Lou ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 22:05:27 -0500 From: Vince Lavieri Subject: Wally Breese Thinking about Wally Breese tonight. We lost a great friend when we lost Wally. We had no choice in that matter; health issues prevented us from having a choice in losing Wally. It took death for Wally to leave us. Jim Johansen is doing everything possible to carry on Wally's legacy. And then there is Les Irvin, who has put his life and heart and soul into this. I weigh: my being miffed, or my being angry, or my being disappointed with things for a period of time, a relatively brief but intense period of time for some people, versus the years of community, friendship, celebrations, fests, and Wally and Jim and Les. No matter what troubles occasionally plague us, and they have in the past, and then they were were over, this too is a temporary state of unsettlement and I renew my commitment to being a part of this community of Joni Mitchel fans. Whatever temporary rough times we have, we shall get through them, and be the better for it, for adversity is a part of life, not an enemy of life, and when we make our way through adversity, we are only the stronger for it. The JMDL will be the stronger and better for all things that we have endured, and our joys and good times will be greater than ever for we will have grown. With thanks to Wally B, Jim J., and Les, I remain (the Rev) Vince, NPIMH: I get by with a little help from my friends. I'm gonna try with a little help from my friends. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 21:54:36 EST From: MGVal@aol.com Subject: Re: Wally Breese In a message dated 03/27/2001 6:53:25 PM Pacific Standard Time, revrvl@pathwaynet.com writes: << The JMDL will be the stronger and better for all things that we have endured, and our joys and good times will be greater than ever for we will have grown. >> Wow! A lot of eloquent posts have sprouted over the departure crisis, but this one tops them all. Wonderful and lovely. MG ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 22:26:58 -0500 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: DVD-Audio version of BSN Woo hoo! Jerry Notaro said, > I just checked Warner Bros. It is the DVD Audio Disc. Not available until April > 10th. The boys at Stereophile loved it. They really like "live" recordings and said that this one is almost that. If memory serves, Joni, Herbie, and Peter Erskine were in booths but the orchestra was miked as a whole. The only gripe they had was about the digital silence between tracks instead of room ambience. (Whaaa! I can't even hear room ambience in my room.) Anyway, do Warner/Reprise DVD-Audio discs have 96/24 tracks that play on a DVD-Video machine (a DVD movie player to civilians)? Lama ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 21:48:57 -0700 From: "Brett Code" Subject: RE: Partir, c'est mourir un peu Je suis tout a fait d'accord. I miss her already. Can it be? Come back, Kakki! Come Back! Les, can't you make her come back? Thanks, John, for this beautiful post Brett - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]On Behalf Of John van Tiel Sent: Monday, March 26, 2001 11:55 PM To: joni@smoe.org Cc: Ashara@aol.com; Kakki Subject: Partir, c'est mourir un peu Early morning in Holland ... sun rising over the sea. Seven digests still unread. I start with the first one, thinking "I hope there won't be too much bickering". Then: Kakki has decided to leave the list. First thought: this cannot be true, this cannot be true. More posts ... 'Kakki, please return', 'Let's take a deep breath and ...', 'Please be tolerant'. Kakki's decision brings out the eloquence in many. I think again: Kakki? The very person who knows that fine line between eloquence and loquaciousness, always opting for the first one. The person whose posts have always been the nucleus of the list for me personally. One of the persons for whom I crossed the Atlantic Ocean a few times (yes, Kakki, just to meet you (again)) ... the one with whom I sang "Here, There and Everywhere" to the sounds of crickets and chiggers gnawing at her legs late at night on Ashara's porch ... the woman with the intelligent eyes that light up with laughter and happiness every 3.4 seconds ... never without a Martini glass in her hand, but never drinking too much either (see, that's another thing you still need to teach me) ... the woman I admire for her guts and her energy ... who DOES look cool when she smokes (BTW, I will not respond to any comments on this remark ;-) ) ... Kakki, who sends me pictures and music that I treasure ... the woman who epitomizes the Irish spirit I love so much ... the one who & whom etc. etc. etc. Kakki, you simply canNOT leave this list. Listen to your Dutch Uncle: you simply canNOT leave this list ! And then Ashara: "move over Kakki...". Ashara ... please?! What IS going on here ??? Geez. I have been on this list almost from the very start. So have Kakki and Ashara. I lurk ('stand in the wings'), they don't. I share off-list. They share off-list AND on-list. Perhaps I have a right to speak for the long-term lurkers: The JMDL is so great because you and Ashara and Marcel and Bob and Paz and Hell and Patrick and Catherine (plural) and Jerry and Harper-Lou and Colin and Penny and Vince and Leslie and Mark and Jim and Steve and Mary-Grace and Wally and Kate and Mags and Brett and Alison and Jan and Lory and Marian and Ric and Robert and Paul and Heather and Victor and Garret and Lahm and Randy and Rose and Steve and Barbara and many many many others do not lurk. You share. You have the guts to share in a public forum. Believe me, it takes guts. Ask the average lurker (off-list). Kakki, "Lazarus" is the Dutch word for stone drunk. I'd rather you do the biblical bit. Have a Martini and rise. >>From the coast of Holland, John NP. Mathilde Santing: Here, There and Everywhere ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2001 #101 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she?