From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2001 #98 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Sunday, March 25 2001 Volume 2001 : Number 098 The 'Official' Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. Information on the 4th "Annual" New England JoniFest: http://www.jmdl.com/jfne2001.cfm The Joni Chat Room: http://www.jmdl.com/chat.cfm ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: one tin soldier rides away [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Urgent [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Fwd: Lesson in Survival [Kammass@aol.com] RE: Urgent ["Garret" ] For Emilia ["Jim L'Hommedieu" ] Re: Urgent [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Subject: Re: Lesson in Survival ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: Joni BSN LA Smoking. [FWSCHNAUZERMOM@aol.com] whisper's of furry ["BRIAN SYMES" ] For The Roses [Scott Price ] Re: For The Roses ["BRIAN SYMES" ] Re: Lesson in Survival ["BRIAN SYMES" ] Re: For The Roses [Michael Paz ] Joni and Los Angeles Magazine [ElLayCoyoteRick@aol.com] Re: one tin soldier rides away ["Louis Lynch" ] Re: For The Roses ["Louis Lynch" ] Joni's portfolio [evian ] Re: For The Roses [Penny ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 14:42:58 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: one tin soldier rides away << is one tin soldier rides away a joni song? can anyone tell me more about it? it seems like there's a beautifull story going in the song's lyrics. what's it all about? and who's that awfull singer that performs it? >> Nuriel, the title is "One Tin Soldier (The Legend of Billy Jack)". I forget who performed it, a simple search at google.com will probably tell you all you need to know. You probably saw it identified as a Joni song on Napster. I noticed while surfing for Joni on Napster that several people have it in their libraries as a Joni song... Bob NP: Will Taylor, "You've Been Haunting My Dreams" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 14:50:19 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Urgent << I'm doing a project on Joni for school and i need to know some of her personal favorites. >> Joni was on a BBC Radio 1 show in London, England on May 29, 1983. The name of the show was "My Top 12". Joni played some of her favorite songs, which were: Edith Piaf, LesTrois Cloches Little Richard, Lucille Lambert, Hendricks & Ross, Cloudburst Bob Dylan, Memphis Blues Again Laura Nyro, Captain For Dark Mornings Miles Davis, Nefertiti Burundi Drums (drum track / Jungle Line) Steely Dan, Gaucho Stevie Wonder, That Girl Billie Holiday, You've Changed Peter Gabriel, I Have The Touch Stravinsky, Rites of Spring (Introduction) Hope that helps you...btw, my son & I were big fans of the Amelia Bedelia books, back when I'd read to him at bedtime... Bob Np: Jonatha, "Digging" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 15:00:33 EST From: Kammass@aol.com Subject: Fwd: Lesson in Survival In a message dated 3/24/2001 10:45:55 AM Central Standard Time, cassysweet@msn.com writes: > . I hope I > haven't bored anyone to tears but I couldn't let this opportunity to > share how Joni got *me* through it. > cassy, what a truly wonderful story. you made me think what i would do in such a situation. cant say, but hopefully, something if not joni could inspire me the way you were. thanks for sharing your story. kammy Return-Path: Received: from rly-xa05.mx.aol.com (rly-xa05.mail.aol.com [172.20.105.74]) by air-xa02.mail.aol.com (v77_r1.36) with ESMTP; Sat, 24 Mar 2001 11:45:54 -0500 Received: from smoe.org (jane.smoe.org [216.200.102.14]) by rly-xa05.mx.aol.com (v77_r1.36) with ESMTP; Sat, 24 Mar 2001 11:45:30 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by smoe.org (8.8.7/8.8.7/listq-jane) with SMTP id LAA28289; Sat, 24 Mar 2001 11:35:26 -0500 (EST) Received: by smoe.org (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sat, 24 Mar 2001 11:35:26 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by smoe.org (8.8.7/8.8.7/listq-jane) id LAA28256 for joni-outgoing; Sat, 24 Mar 2001 11:35:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from cpimssmtpu12.email.msn.com (cpimssmtpu12.email.msn.com [207.46.181.87]) by smoe.org (8.8.7/8.8.7/daemon-mode-jane) with ESMTP id LAA28244 for ; Sat, 24 Mar 2001 11:34:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from mine ([63.59.210.62]) by cpimssmtpu12.email.msn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.3225); Sat, 24 Mar 2001 08:34:15 -0800 Message-ID: <003601c0b47f$eca73040$3ed23b3f@mine> From: "cassy" To: "Joni List" , References: Subject: Re: Lesson in Survival Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 11:31:46 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Mar 2001 16:34:16.0827 (UTC) FILETIME=[44BAA4B0:01C0B480] Sender: owner-joni@jmdl.com Reply-To: "cassy" Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Precedence: bulk From: > Anyone else have crucial "Joni got me through it songs?" Let us know! Many of you don't know (those who met me before the Pine Knob show do) that in the last couple of years I have suffered from two strokes. The first caused me to lose my ability to speak for a long time, the second, far more debilitating, had me hospitalized for a couple of weeks and living in a rehabilitation center for two months. The second stroke also left me wheelchair-bound for many months and until modern science realized all I needed was a little left-side support (a brace) I could not do many of the things we all take for granted. As I sat, in a deep state of depression, in my hospital bed ringing the bell, futiley, for the nurse to take me to the bathroom before I lost control and all sense of dignity, I had a lot of time for self-evaluation and deep thought. Joni's lyrics came to me in bits and pieces, in dreams and just out of the blue when I least expected them. I had time to think about the kind of person I'd dreamed of being and the reality of the person I'd become. I knew that some of the lyrics weren't written with my situation in mind nor did they really mean what I applied them to in terms of how they related to me at that time, for example "when you dig down deep, you lose good sleep and it makes you heavy company," but I had lived with Joni's words for all of my adult life and as many of you know it's hard to go through something traumatic and NOT think of a few of SIQUOMB's lyrics. I digress... The very excellent question at hand, "Joni got me through it" songs. At various times in my life different Joni songs have pulled me through but the ones that come to mind most vividly during this time are "Trouble Child" and "Down to You." I was physically a shell of my former self, I was depressed and didn't want to live let alone get out of bed each day to be tortured by physical, speech and occupational therapists who had the annoying habit of daring to be cheerful when I wanted to wallow in self-pity. Thom (my husband, my hero, my life), brought me a portable CD player and some headphones so I could perhaps let the music start to heal me from the inside out. He had a hard time deciding on which CDs to bring for me since I have quite a large selection to choose from and he hadn't been with me long enough, then, to know my favorites, he brought "Court & Spark" among others. I waited until late at night when my insomnia often had me alone, awake in the dark. I had savored the moment I would play C&S, like a child who has saved their favorite candy bar until all the other kids have gone home so they wouldn't have to share a single bite with the others, mouth almost watering in anticipation of the pleasure I knew I would find as the first strains of piano filtered across my ears. I listened more carefully than I ever remember listening before, knowing my own mortality now as I never had in the past. My mind eased into another world, my secret world of Joni. My heart-rate slowed, my breathing became easier and I felt myself relax for the first time in weeks as I let myself be carried away on the familiar flights and phrases of her fingers dancing across the keys. Until that night, Court and Spark had not been one of my favorite Joni recordings, I listened the familiar tunes silently until "Trouble Child" and as I melted into the lyrics and applied them to my current situation I cried my eyes out, sobbing until I was wrung dry of emotion, feeling sorry for myself and yet knowing it was time to live again, after all I had so much to live for: a child who needed a mother, a new love who seemed to be sticking by me regardless of the fact he wasn't getting all that he'd bargained for when we entered into our relationship. That night was a metamorphosis for me, I clicked back and listened to "Down to You," again, I realized that I couldn't sit around waiting for someone to wave a magic wand for me and make things the way they used to be, it just wasn't going to happen, it did come down to me, no one else could give me the drive and spirit it would take to get as back to normal as was possible for me and I could lie there and let my dreams go over the dam and watch my right to be human go over with them or I could motivate and stem the flood. I didn't go to sleep until the wee hours of the next morning and was exhausted when the nurses came around to take vitals and wake us for yet another day of torture. The difference that day was that I knew I was finally going to draw from within, no one was "giving" me anything except a little push to find my inner strength and man I needed that push many times over the next few months as I struggled to re-learn the simplest of tasks. It hadn't come as such a shock to know I really had no one, I knew it all along, I just needed a little reminder that I had to find the strength within me to recover. It all came down to the "river of changing faces" (the rehab staff) and above all to me. It feels wierd to give so much of myself out in a post to a public list, I am not one, usually, to share a whole lot of myself with strangers, but I see others doing it all the time here and it seems to be a pretty safe place to let people see our deeper selves. I hope I haven't bored anyone to tears but I couldn't let this opportunity to share how Joni got *me* through it. Cassy NP: "Car On a Hill" Joni Mitchell ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 20:31:35 -0000 From: "Garret" Subject: RE: Urgent Hey Emilia, (i apologise in advance if you've already heard all of this, and i'm hoping someone will pick up the pieces and fill in the blanks for you) i just know that i've read all sorts of things in the vein you seem to belooking for. the biography section of jonimitchell.com would be a good place to start, and of course the articles on jmdl.com. if you let us know more specifially what you're interested in, you could probably gather all the info you need right here on the list. a lot of her influences were, of course, musical. she loved rock n roll as a yougner teenager didnt she? chuck berry in particular, i think. and then she got more into jazz. Coltrane, Davis (particularly Davis!!! there is an article from Grammy magazine with some great details about this, go to the section of the article subtitled Isles of Miles at http://www.jmdl.com/articles/docs/9703g.cfm) and so on. well, my point is she had long admired the famed artist Georgia O Keeffe, and Joni finally got up the courage to visit her in the early eighties (dates anyone??). this visit was extremely inspirational for Joni, and it resulted in a major increase in the number of paintings she produced. OKeeffe called her " a pretty curious visitor" after she started leaping around and chanting because she had bought some Indian accessories for herself:-D i think the story goes to the effect of O Keeffe waking Mitchell up early the next morning and insisting they go on a long coiuntry walk. or desert walk as teh case may have been. so, OKeeffe surprised Joni by being very energetic for someone in their 90s and Joni surprised OKeeffe with her chain smoking ((((it's that smoking thread back to haunt the list!!)))). so, OKeeffe told Joni she shouldnt smoke, lol, telling her that she should live!! (i guess if Georgia O Keeffe cant get Joni to quit smoking, noone will!lol) http://www.ellensplace.net/okeeffe1.html at this place you'll find a very good, detailed bigraphy of Georgia O Keeffe. of particular interest if the section about Alfred Stieglitz. you'll also find some great examples of okeeffe's pictures!! dylan also had an influenced Joni, and it could be argued that it's his fault *(mot juste??)* that Joni began writing songs. others on this list can tell you what Dylan song and probably what *lyric* of his inspired her so!! off the top of my head, i think that Cameron Crowe interview from rolling stone has something about her influences . you can find that at http://www.jmdl.com/articles/docs/790726rs.cfm no promises there though, it was a few weeks ago when i read that!! it might be a good idea to gather the names of joni's influences etc, and whatever other information you can force out of the list members, and then go to http://www.jmdl.com/articles/index.cfm, where you can do a "text search" and search for those names!! you never know!! and while i'm rambling on and on and on i'll just add VanGogh!! listen to the song turbulent indigo!!!! and the painting on the cover of the TI album is very similar to Van Gogh's "self portrait with bandaged ear" from 1889. while the background on the TI painting is just like that from VanGogh's "self portrait: saint-remy" from later in 1889!! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 15:27:43 -0500 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: For Emilia Emilia, So you're doing your research for a school paper on the Internet, eh? How very 21st Century of you! To answer your question about music, Joni likes lots of different types of music. In an interview on "My Top 12" - from BBC Radio 1, London, England - May 29, 1983, Joni said that she is influenced by Edith Piaf (a French singer), Miles Davis (an American Jazz trumpeter), Warrior Drummers from Burundi in Africa, Igor Stravinsky (a classical composer) and these singer/songwriters: The Beatles, Little Richard, Lambert, Hendricks & Ross, Bob Dylan (yes, Jacob's father), Laura Nyro, Steely Dan, Stevie Wonder, Billie Holiday, Peter Gabriel. Joni's political thoughts are many including a song called "Borderline" where she says that people spend too much time divide each other into groups instead of pulling together in harmony. There are two excellent sources of information on Joni. The biography section on www.jonimitchell.com . To use this, click on "WITH FRAME INDEX". Then, at the left, click on "BIO". This is the best biography I ever seen on Joni but it's huge. Secondly, the collection of articles on Joni at http://www.jmdl.com/articles/bypub.cfm If time is running short, you can get an overview from an excellent article in "Vanity Fair" magazine at http://www.jmdl.com/articles/docs/9706vf.cfm . Consider including a picture of Joni in your report. Try http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumList?u=1502641&f=0 , a site by a Joni Mitchell Discussion List member, Pat, who used to "open" for Joni in a coffeehouse in the old days. Maybe one of Joni's paintings might be just the thing. Go to http://www.jmdl.com/shinytoys/art/ and click on a few of Ken's links till you find a painting you like. If you're on a PC, right click and choose "Save Picture As". From there you can store the picture on your hard drive. Later, you can insert the picture into your Word document. Anyway, thanks for reading all this! I hope you enjoy reading about Joni and return if you want to ask more questions. You are always welcome here. All the best, Uncle Jim on 3/24/01 9:10 AM, Emilia Bedelia at hoops3119@yahoo.com wrote: > Hi. I'm new to this and i need some information on Joni very very very > soon!!!! I'm doing a project on Joni for school and i need to know some of her > personal favorites. Like her favorite song and things like that! If any of you > know can you please send a post back? Thank you very much!!!!!!!!!!!!! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 17:05:13 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Urgent << others on this list can tell you what Dylan song and probably what *lyric* of his inspired her so!! >> According to the interviews I've heard it was the lyric from "Positively 4th Street" when he says: "You've got a lot of nerve to say that you're my friend" She says that when she heard that, she knew that songwriting could go farther than had been previously approached, particularly in the pop arena... Bob NP: Stevie Wonder, "Saturn" NPIMH: Foreigner, "Urgent" ;~) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 15:13:56 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Subject: Re: Lesson in Survival Cassy wrote, "It feels wierd to give so much of myself out in a post to a public list, I am not one, usually, to share a whole lot of myself with strangers, but I see others doing it all the time here and it seems to be a pretty safe place to let people see our deeper selves. I hope I haven't bored anyone to tears but I couldn't let this opportunity to share how Joni got *me* through it." Cassy, thank you very much for your courage & for sharing your story with us. You are very inspiring & I hope everything is much better now. You brought on tears, yes. Boredom? oh no. Thank you for reminding me of what a precious gift good health is for ourselves & our loved ones. Hope everyone is out there enjoying that fresh weekend air as Les so wisely suggested! ******************************************** Kate Bennett www.katebennett.com sponsored by Polysonics www.polysonics.com Discover the Indies at Taylor Guitars: http://www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/bennett.html ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 20:16:23 EST From: FWSCHNAUZERMOM@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni BSN LA Smoking. I'd watch Joni flip throught he yellow pages smoking a cig too. Amen. F in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 17:37:39 -0800 From: "BRIAN SYMES" Subject: whisper's of furry At 2.20 into the the song Joni whisper's out twice Old furry's got nobody Old furry's got nobody Joni does not repeat this on Shadows and Light but fills out that The Daisy was a ballroom that fell to the status a movie theatre. Is that Joni playing the guitar at the end FSTB on SAL? This CD has very little information on who is playing on each song. Brian who came in from a rain storm NP God must be a boogie man - ----------------------- Free Email Service provided to you by Office.com, a service from Winstar ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 17:44:56 -0800 From: Scott Price Subject: For The Roses It starts with a web search. "Joni Mitchell." You sift through the hits and before long find the Mecca. Joni-Mitchell-dot-com and JMDL-dot-com. You have followed her career, every step and every song, for decades. It's a glorious discovery...there are others out there who truly appreciate her art. Kindred spirits who "get her." You lurk for a while and one day take the plunge. You wonder how you will be received after that first post, and check your e-mail constantly for a while, hoping that response(s) will be positive. A few exchanges begin, on-list and off. Friendships are born. Siquomb is spoken. Life is good! You develop relationships. With the list, with individual listers. Checking for "new mail" becomes fun and important to you. You open up more, and in so doing, find that not everyone is nice. You learn that this "community" has its share of dysfunction, and if you're a contributor to the list, eventually you're going to take some heat. But your love of Joni's craft is unwavering and you are by nature an open and generous person. You couldn't change these personality traits even if you wanted. You could lurk, or you could toss it in, but you have so much to give, so you stay. And you become a very visible and revered member of the community. Years pass. Concerts, fests large and small, tapings, exhibits. Fate is kind. You share the experiences. By default you become a ringleader. And you're damn good at it. Serendipity puts you in the right places at the right times, and you warmly and skillfully report back to the community so that we who are interested may live vicariously through your "real life" Joni encounters. Despite all your contributions, skirmishes develop. Unwarranted personal attacks lead to despair. You put so much into the group and would go forever without so much as a "thank you" but it's worse than that...a lack of acknowledgement would be OK, but the skewering...for what reason? What did you do to deserve this? I don't blame you for leaving. I've gone away before myself a time or two. But each time I return it's with a more jaded view. Nobody would lament that for me, but for you...ahh...you're different. You represented so much. You were the ideal JMDLer. And now you're gone, perhaps never to return. It is with much sadness that I announce to the list that Kakki has left this "community." She departed with her customary grace and without fanfare. She's not pining, she's not sulking, and she doesn't know I'm writing this. In fact she is spending the weekend taking care of her elderly father. But she's withdrawn from the JMDL, and I thought the list should know that. I want you to consider, prior to the next time you exercise your right to "free speech" and post away with insulting and insensitive words, that if we really want this discussion group to be a place we're proud of, we've got to consider how our posts can impact others. Please use temperance the next time you put a name or a label on someone. That isn't preaching, BTW...it's a plea. What does a particular Joni song or album mean to you? A question for the ages. Tonight I'll put on her favorite, "For The Roses." I'll listen to the music and I'll think of what we've lost. I'll hope that her memories of time spent here will be of the good times, not the bad. I'll remember how much she has enriched my own experience, and give thanks. A martini glass will be raised, the ice cold elixir savored, with one simple thought: baby, this one's for you. Scott ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 17:51:27 -0800 From: "BRIAN SYMES" Subject: Re: For The Roses I am speechless, save that one in my "Joni File" Right on Bro. Brian checkin out for rainbows as the sun appears again NP, Miles I thought about you - ----------------------- Free Email Service provided to you by Office.com, a service from Winstar ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 18:14:22 -0800 From: "BRIAN SYMES" Subject: Re: Lesson in Survival From STAS-FTR i was the shy poet nerd in JHS to HS I would listen to them over and over, Joni & Dylan back and forth.I think i missed a whole decade of evening TV reading and listening to Joni . As i read thru all the classic's By the time FTR came out i was into the modern San Francisco Writers I read thru Brautigan and all the previous beat writers, Kerouac etc. I think my parents thought i was gay,flirting with girls was a waste of time. Until college, and thats another story . NP. Persuance/Psalm John Coltrane - ----------------------- Free Email Service provided to you by Office.com, a service from Winstar ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 21:20:31 -0800 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: For The Roses Scott This is SO beautiful. It's truly amazing to me how one minute there are flames licking at us and the next we get such eloquent heartfelt posts from the likes of you and Cassy today. I was really sad at some of the recent posts and angered that they get twisted into such an evil way. I can only echo your hopes and pleas and pray that my dear friend heals from this and return at least to the ones who really appreciate her friendship and love her so much. I also pray that everyone learn to respect each other and rejoice in our differences instead of locking and loading. Just this past week Kakki offered me her apartment to stay in if I went to attend my friend Trisha's memorial. When she found out where the memorial was gonna be held (very near her folks house) she offered me that option as well. Unfortunatly finances and my obligation to family (Mikey's Birthday tomorrow), I decided to resist my heart and not go. I have seen Kakki offer this hospitality to lots of folks passing thru LA, without hesitation and is a wonderful hostess to all JMDL folk passing by. This is so sad. I think maybe Les was right, we all should just unplug these damn computers for the weekend. Love Paz NP-If You Could Only See-Tonic(the acoustic version) on 3/24/01 5:44 PM, Scott Price at sp@olympus.net wrote: > It starts with a web search. "Joni Mitchell." You sift through the hits and > before long find the Mecca. Joni-Mitchell-dot-com and JMDL-dot-com. You > have followed her career, every step and every song, for decades. It's a > glorious discovery...there are others out there who truly appreciate her > art. Kindred spirits who "get her." > > You lurk for a while and one day take the plunge. You wonder how you will > be received after that first post, and check your e-mail constantly for a > while, hoping that response(s) will be positive. > > A few exchanges begin, on-list and off. Friendships are born. Siquomb is > spoken. Life is good! > > You develop relationships. With the list, with individual listers. Checking > for "new mail" becomes fun and important to you. You open up more, and in > so doing, find that not everyone is nice. You learn that this "community" > has its share of dysfunction, and if you're a contributor to the list, > eventually you're going to take some heat. > > But your love of Joni's craft is unwavering and you are by nature an open > and generous person. You couldn't change these personality traits even if > you wanted. You could lurk, or you could toss it in, but you have so much > to give, so you stay. And you become a very visible and revered member of > the community. > > Years pass. Concerts, fests large and small, tapings, exhibits. Fate is > kind. You share the experiences. By default you become a ringleader. And > you're damn good at it. Serendipity puts you in the right places at the > right times, and you warmly and skillfully report back to the community so > that we who are interested may live vicariously through your "real life" > Joni encounters. > > Despite all your contributions, skirmishes develop. Unwarranted personal > attacks lead to despair. You put so much into the group and would go > forever without so much as a "thank you" but it's worse than that...a lack > of acknowledgement would be OK, but the skewering...for what reason? What > did you do to deserve this? > > I don't blame you for leaving. I've gone away before myself a time or two. > But each time I return it's with a more jaded view. Nobody would lament > that for me, but for you...ahh...you're different. You represented so much. > You were the ideal JMDLer. And now you're gone, perhaps never to return. > > It is with much sadness that I announce to the list that Kakki has left > this "community." She departed with her customary grace and without > fanfare. She's not pining, she's not sulking, and she doesn't know I'm > writing this. In fact she is spending the weekend taking care of her > elderly father. But she's withdrawn from the JMDL, and I thought the list > should know that. I want you to consider, prior to the next time you > exercise your right to "free speech" and post away with insulting and > insensitive words, that if we really want this discussion group to be a > place we're proud of, we've got to consider how our posts can impact > others. Please use temperance the next time you put a name or a label on > someone. That isn't preaching, BTW...it's a plea. > > What does a particular Joni song or album mean to you? A question for the > ages. Tonight I'll put on her favorite, "For The Roses." I'll listen to the > music and I'll think of what we've lost. I'll hope that her memories of > time spent here will be of the good times, not the bad. I'll remember how > much she has enriched my own experience, and give thanks. A martini glass > will be raised, the ice cold elixir savored, with one simple thought: baby, > this one's for you. > > Scott ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 22:20:11 EST From: ElLayCoyoteRick@aol.com Subject: Joni and Los Angeles Magazine So, this month's edition of Los Angeles magazine has yet another Joni mention. I swear Kit Rachlis (the editor-in-chief) either has a Joni fascination or is her best friend. In his monthly *From the Editor* column, he is talking about the idealistic Los Angeles of yesteryear. In his fantasies, he writes: "...That golden age goes something like this: Family farms dot the San Fernando Valley and orange groves fan out from the foothills of the San Gabriel Mountains, the Doors are performing at the Whiskey and X is putting on a show at the Masque; the movie palaces on Broadway are booming; the public schools rank among the country's finest; Groucho Marks and JONI MITCHELL [emphasis added] are holding court at the Brown Derby and Bette Davis and Frank Gehry are regulars at Spago; jazz and R&B are pouring out of Central Avenue; Dewey Weber and Tom Morey [my personal hero] are surfing off Zuma; the beaches are never crowded; and the air is so clear you can see the glint of the Pacific from as far as Sierra Madre. The clanging of the red cars can be heard down the boulevards. And thanks to freeways, everything is just twenty minutes away..." Me again: I am supposing that, in this fantasy, Joni held court at the Brown Derby separate and apart from Groucho. I can't really see Joni at the Brown Derby - - it was like a smokey, ancient relic from the golden days of Hollywood - the last one (it was a chain) closed in the early 1980s. I certainly can't fathom Joni with Groucho. So my question to you all. We'll assume Joni went to the Brown Derby to swill down a few Brandy Alexanders and have a few Winstons (American Spirits weren't around then). She ordered the Cobb Salad, made famous there, and for dessert, strawberries with whipped cream. She has a table for six -- you are one of the guests, who would be the other four and why? By the way, Joni is picking up the check (even though her music makes her no more money than she needs to buy and keep a Bel Air mansion.) No regrets, Coyote Rick Casa Alegre Hollywood, California ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 22:34:06 -0500 From: "Louis Lynch" Subject: Re: one tin soldier rides away Nuriel, One of my favorite songs, recorded by a one-hit band called "Coven." It was written by Dennis Lambert and Brian Potter. I have the original sheet music from when it was a hit on the radio. Listen children to a story that was written long ago. About a kingdom on a mountain and the valley far below. On the mountain was a treasure buried deep beneath a stone. And the valley people swore they'd have it for their very own. Chorus: Go ahead and hate your neighbor, go ahead and cheat a friend Do it in the name of heaven, you can justify it in the end There won't be any trumpets blowing, come the Judgment Day On the bloody morning after, one tin soldier rides away Now the people of the valley sent a message up the hill Asking for the buried treasure, tons of gold for which they'd kill Came an answer from the kingdom, with our brothers we will share All the riches of our mountain and the treasure buried there. Chorus Now the valley cried with anger, "Mount your horses, draw your swords!" And they killed the mountain people, until they won their just reward Soon they stood beside the treasure on the mountain dark and red, Turned the stone and looked beneath it. "Peace on Earth" was all it said. Chorus. In case you want to play it, it's in straight 4-4, two chords per measure: Verse: F C | Dm F | Bb F | Gm7 C7 | F C | Dm F | Bb F | Gm7 C7 | F Bb-F | (one measure turnaround to chorus...) F Am | Bb F | F Am | Bb F | F Am | Bb F | F Bb | Bb ... | F Bb-F | (turnaround back to verse) Regards, Harper Lou - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nuriel" To: Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2001 12:08 PM Subject: one tin soldier rides away > i was wondering - is one tin soldier rides away a joni song? can anyone tell > me more about it? it seems like there's a beautifull story going in the song's > lyrics. what's it all about? and who's that awfull singer that performs it? > she sounds beyond breathless. can you tell me more? > yours, > nuriel ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 23:27:03 -0500 From: "Louis Lynch" Subject: Re: For The Roses Scott, Kakki and all... What IS going on here? Some posters got a little nasty with their words. It might have been offensive, but we all have said offensive things now and again. For crying out loud, even Joni herself has said offensive things -- and she has even been known to call people names. Nonperfect people who aren't emotionally dead sometimes get carried away and say some mean things. Earlier I posted a comment about the rude exchange -- basically that I think people should be free to say whatever they want on this list, or anywhere. Surely, if they offend people, they will hear about it soon enough. As soon as I wrote that, I received a private e-mail from Kakki, which I would not describe as polite. I responded that I didn't understand where she was coming from -- I hadn't called anybody names. Now Scott tells us that she has left the list with "customary grace." Actually, Scott, your long post sounds like a "customary guilt trip." I'm sorry if Kakki feels compelled to leave because she didn't like the exchange between two people on the list. I didn't care for the exchange myself, but I have a Delete key on my computer. If Kakki was upset with the exchange, she could have expressed her concerns to them directly. She certainly didn't hesitate expressing her disapproval of my fairly benign reaction to the exchange. I find the majority of posts on this list entertaining and informative. I have enjoyed reading many of Kakki's posts. And I certainly would hope that she also realizes that the camaraderie and news available on this list has too much value to throw away, just because she sees an occasional comment she doesn't like. It's not a perfect world out there. But I have found this list to be a GOOD thing. And the people on the list are GOOD people. I don't think anybody on this list has ever "skewered" Kakki or anyone else. In fact, from my experience, virtually everyone on the list holds her and her opinions in most high regard. You imply that she's leaving the list because it's not "a place to be proud of." Scott, that's not the truth and I reject it thoroughly. Occasionally things go wrong between people. And, occasionally we are going to read things we don't like on the list. If Kakki feels that occasional disputes or e-mailed offenses are too overwhelming to remain a part of the list, many people will miss her. If her e-mails have all been flawlessly polite and sensitive and her dedication to the list has been as pure as what Scott claims, then we have lost a vital member of the community. But, it is Kakki's decision to lose the community, not the community's decision to lose Kakki! Hope to hear from you again soon Kakki, Harper Lou - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Price" To: Cc: Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2001 8:44 PM Subject: For The Roses > It starts with a web search. "Joni Mitchell." You sift through the hits and > before long find the Mecca. Joni-Mitchell-dot-com and JMDL-dot-com. You > have followed her career, every step and every song, for decades. It's a > glorious discovery...there are others out there who truly appreciate her > art. Kindred spirits who "get her." > > You lurk for a while and one day take the plunge. You wonder how you will > be received after that first post, and check your e-mail constantly for a > while, hoping that response(s) will be positive. > > A few exchanges begin, on-list and off. Friendships are born. Siquomb is > spoken. Life is good! > > You develop relationships. With the list, with individual listers. Checking > for "new mail" becomes fun and important to you. You open up more, and in > so doing, find that not everyone is nice. You learn that this "community" > has its share of dysfunction, and if you're a contributor to the list, > eventually you're going to take some heat. > > But your love of Joni's craft is unwavering and you are by nature an open > and generous person. You couldn't change these personality traits even if > you wanted. You could lurk, or you could toss it in, but you have so much > to give, so you stay. And you become a very visible and revered member of > the community. > > Years pass. Concerts, fests large and small, tapings, exhibits. Fate is > kind. You share the experiences. By default you become a ringleader. And > you're damn good at it. Serendipity puts you in the right places at the > right times, and you warmly and skillfully report back to the community so > that we who are interested may live vicariously through your "real life" > Joni encounters. > > Despite all your contributions, skirmishes develop. Unwarranted personal > attacks lead to despair. You put so much into the group and would go > forever without so much as a "thank you" but it's worse than that...a lack > of acknowledgement would be OK, but the skewering...for what reason? What > did you do to deserve this? > > I don't blame you for leaving. I've gone away before myself a time or two. > But each time I return it's with a more jaded view. Nobody would lament > that for me, but for you...ahh...you're different. You represented so much. > You were the ideal JMDLer. And now you're gone, perhaps never to return. > > It is with much sadness that I announce to the list that Kakki has left > this "community." She departed with her customary grace and without > fanfare. She's not pining, she's not sulking, and she doesn't know I'm > writing this. In fact she is spending the weekend taking care of her > elderly father. But she's withdrawn from the JMDL, and I thought the list > should know that. I want you to consider, prior to the next time you > exercise your right to "free speech" and post away with insulting and > insensitive words, that if we really want this discussion group to be a > place we're proud of, we've got to consider how our posts can impact > others. Please use temperance the next time you put a name or a label on > someone. That isn't preaching, BTW...it's a plea. > > What does a particular Joni song or album mean to you? A question for the > ages. Tonight I'll put on her favorite, "For The Roses." I'll listen to the > music and I'll think of what we've lost. I'll hope that her memories of > time spent here will be of the good times, not the bad. I'll remember how > much she has enriched my own experience, and give thanks. A martini glass > will be raised, the ice cold elixir savored, with one simple thought: baby, > this one's for you. > > Scott ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2001 00:22:21 -0600 From: evian Subject: Joni's portfolio > I hold nothing against Geffen for not promoting this material. > What possible way could one package these to a mass market audience in > love with main stream, feel good pap? Do you really think 4 out of 10 > average music buyers is going to listen to Wolf in Lindsey and think, > "Coool. Let's get that album for tonight's party!" based on promotion? > It may have drawn the curious enlightened few, but Joni's music doesn't > 'fit' the general norm people buy and play music: as feel good listening > entertainment, to dance to, as atmosphere at a party, or to make love > to. She's too heavy, too off the beat, to verbose and cerebral, and too > cynical for general consumption. > This is certainly true and right on the mark for Mingus, but I think that CMIARS and NRN were seriously undermarketed -- CMIARS, in particular, could have been huge -- had all the right pop hooks, the gazillion guest artists, etc. However, the label basically left it there to rot, where it could have shot up the charts. Same thing for NRN, especially with the recent "come back" of Bonnie Raitt, Rondstadt, etc. But again, the label chose to throw millions into the latest Cher album, and spent a bundle on videos of Cher prancing around with her arse hanging out all over the place. Admittedly, I get really tired of the Joni "I make no money and the industry is out to get me" stories, but with those two albums, she's more than justified. Evian np: FTR (been listening to this all day, haven't played it for months... doesn't get any better than this) ps -- Just finished watching Almost Famous -- what a frigging awesome movie! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 23:58:38 -0800 (PST) From: Penny Subject: Re: For The Roses Thanks for the sad news, Scott. Very well written, but I truly doubt the ones that need to, can or will hear. Kakki, may I suggest something? Lurk or be a "winger", if that latest term catches on, and then send your wonderful posts to your long list of list friends who don't go out of their way to reply with digs, mocking, blanket (mis)characterizations of entire groups of people(s), baiting or just a springboard for yet another tired rant. Sure, the list proper loses because they've lost you, but you'll still have an outlet to share your love of Joni, general music appreciation and vast knowledge with many, while at the same time being spared the stress of feeling you have to respond to crap list posts directed your way. BTW, don't blame you a bit for calling it quits - but make sure I'm on your "send to" list! ;-) I've always appreciated your thoughtful and well expressed posts! Take care, Penny Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2001 #98 ******************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she?