From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2001 #97 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Saturday, March 24 2001 Volume 2001 : Number 097 The 'Official' Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. Information on the 4th "Annual" New England JoniFest: http://www.jmdl.com/jfne2001.cfm The Joni Chat Room: http://www.jmdl.com/chat.cfm ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: 2nd flik and arch. digest ["P. Henry Boland" ] Costello and von Otter (Small Joni content) [pyramus@lineone.net] Bad News... [pyramus@lineone.net] Lesson in Survival [MGVal@aol.com] Re: Lesson in Survival [IVPAUL42@aol.com] RE: runaway from the record biz ["Deb Messling" ] Furry Revelation ["Steve Polifka" ] New Music Alert [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] She's Nabbed Another [LeslieMixon@aol.com] Jonifest [AsharaJM@aol.com] tripping to ashara's [Yael Harlap ] Re: Lesson in Survival ["cassy" ] Re: Lesson in Survival [Relayer211@aol.com] one tin soldier rides away ["Nuriel" ] Urgent [Emilia Bedelia ] Re: Lesson in Survival [MGVal@aol.com] Re: Urgent [Michael Paz ] Re: Lesson in Survival [Michael Paz ] T-shirt slogans;NJ ["shane mattison" ] Re: Lesson in Survival [AsharaJM@aol.com] Joni's Portfolio. [Richard Rice ] Joni's Jazz ["Garret" ] Re: Lesson in Survival [FMYFL@aol.com] Re: Lesson in Survival [Merk54@aol.com] jonifest fundraiser [catman ] David Geffen SJC [Emily Kirk Gray ] Good news. (was Re: Bad News...) ["Jim L'Hommedieu" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 19:18:06 +1000 From: "P. Henry Boland" Subject: Re: 2nd flik and arch. digest *blush* I wish I could take credit for being 'innovative' but the simple fact is that the kid rock tune was the default sound track with the 'garage band' motif I chose... which I neglected turning off! ;o) thank you alison. if you or anyone garnered any enjoyment at all from my folly, I am gratified, though it was by pure chance. here is a second attempt without soundtrack, the way I intended it so that people can plug in their favorite Joni tracks in the background... I am enjoying it with my new gold Blue playing. I think the images are better in this one too... enjoy, pat http://albums.photopoint.com/j/SmashCast?u=1502641&mode=view&smashID=100064581&smashTitle=Joni+Show+2 - --- "A liar never believes anyone and a thief always locks his doors." On Fri, 23 Mar 2001 09:10:54 Alison E wrote: >pics of joni, with music by kid rock! how innovative. >and it kicked ass! i didn't even think i liked kid >rock, but that song was not bad. >keep up the good work, pat. both of these animated >picture shows were very fun to watch. >alison e. in nyc Who needs Cupid? Matchmaker.com is the place to meet somebody. FREE Two-week Trial Membership at http://www.matchmaker.com/home?rs=200015 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 09:40:26 GMT From: pyramus@lineone.net Subject: Costello and von Otter (Small Joni content) I bought the new Anne Sofie von Otter and Elvis Costello collabaration album today. It is a beautiful album including tracks written by Brian Wilson, (Dont Talk Put Your Head on My Shoulder/ You Still Believe in Me) Tom Waits (Take it With Me/Broken Bicycles), Paul McCartney(Junk/For No One), Nina Simone, Elvis and others. Von Otter says this in the notes ...There are some people I would like to thank and since this is my pop record I know Im allowed. Joni, Carole, Judy C. Carly, Mama Cass Elliott, Barbra et al whose songs and voices I have always loved and who certainly inspired me. Quite an accolade from an acknowledged diva. Sadly no Joni tracks on the album although only 18 of the 27 recorded tracks made it. Perhaps there is an unreleased Joni item in there = wishful thinking? Incidentally there was a South Bank Show arts programme on the T.V.in the U.K. the other night which followed the recording sessions for the album. Interesting to see two perfectionists battling it out and the difference in recording procedures between the pop and classical moulds. At one stage Elvis who was producing asked Anne for yet another take on a song. Von Otter appeared particularly pissed off as she is used to high preparation before the classical recording sessions then a one-off recording. But she went with it and acknowledged that Elvis knew what he was doing. Fascinating stuff. pyramus ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 09:49:02 GMT From: pyramus@lineone.net Subject: Bad News... ..I bought 'Mingus' today which means I now have all of Joni's stuff on CD. Now what do I have to look forward to? Maybe the 'Hissing' tapes... Hmmmm. pyramus ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 06:16:57 EST From: MGVal@aol.com Subject: Lesson in Survival Growing up, I spent most of my time holed up in my bedroom if I wasn't out at school or with my friends. Crucial to that hole up was Joni. Her albums received the maximum play between my James Taylor, Carly Simon, Jackson Browne, CSN, David Bromberg and Vince Scalsa and the rest of the DJ's on WNEW-FM. I was thinking about that period lately, partly because I've been sharing some reminisces with another list member from those days/daze and party because it's Jeff's daughter's 16th birthday so I'm in a waltzing down memory lane sort of mood. And there's a Joni thread in here: Of all the Joni that I listened to, probably the two biggest songs for me were: "Lesson in Survival" and "Dawntreader." With "Lesson," I would sometimes bring the needle back to the groove in the album to repeat: "spinning out on turns, that get you tough, guru books, the Bible, only a reminder that you're just not good enough." As a young teenager who was often lost in a fog of "what's next and where am I going" and often heard only a foghorn in my mother's voice saying: "You're not doing that!" or "You can't do that" Wassamatta with you???" Those lines reached deep inside of me. And I thought, "if this really, really cool person could feel this way and be so cool, there's hope for me, too!" "Dawntreader" was a companion song. In high school, I was so moved by it that I had "Dawntreader" engraved on the inside of my high school graduation ring and signed all my poems, "Dawntreader." For me, that song represented deep passion and deep contentedness' far reaching aspirations for a young girl who had so far only lusted after the Met's pitcher Tom Seaver from afar. And again, I found the same hope from Joni. The hope that I, too, would have my own Dawntreader and my own lessons that I would survive. In so many ways, Joni was, (and remains), my ideal in beauty and intellect. That's one thing that makes me feel sad about today's young market music. I don't see anything that's out there that inspires kids to keep on the headphones, study the lyrics and find a beacon in the darkness. But then again, I don't know the words to ALL of the Brittany Spears songs. (:-D Anyone else have crucial "Joni got me through it songs?" Let us know! MG - up from restless sleeping after reading a really scary book. np: silent house ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 06:27:50 EST From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: Lesson in Survival In a message dated 3/24/01 6:20:54 AM Eastern Standard Time, MGVal@aol.com writes: << That's one thing that makes me feel sad about today's young market music. I don't see anything that's out there that inspires kids to keep on the headphones, study the lyrics and find a beacon in the darkness. But then again, I don't know the words to ALL of the Brittany Spears songs. (:-D >> You're wasting time on Britney, MG, but you oughta try out Wyclef Jean's "Ecleftic" CD. My younger fiancee turned me on to him and after several listens I'm finding there is some genius in his lyrics. "Perfect Gentleman," "Diallo" and several others. Even an interesting cover of Pink Floyd's "Wish You Were Here." My 8-year-old son now even asks to listen to Ecleftic instead of N'Sync! Paul I ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 07:46:50 -0500 From: "Deb Messling" Subject: RE: runaway from the record biz In the infamous Details magazine article of July 1996, Joni says: I don't make much money. I haven't seen a royalty check in twenty years. And at a certain point Geffen dammed up my only income -- which is my writer's income from my publishing company -- so I had no money coming in. So I went to David Geffen and said, "Let me go." He said, "Joan, you're not gonna find a better deal out there than this, and I'll keep you here forever -- I'll never drop you." And I said, "Slavery with tenure is not attractive to me." - ----------------------------------- Deb Messling "I like cats. They give the home a heartbeat." ~Joni Mitchell - ----------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 08:11:17 -0600 From: "Steve Polifka" Subject: Furry Revelation The line is: Old Furry's got nobody-I've sung along to that line for 25 years... Hugs, Steve Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 16:02:23 -0500 From: "Janine Sherman" Subject: Furry revelation Hi all, After a quarter of a century of listening to the album Hejira- vinyl and now CD, last night I had a major revelation. In the song, Furry Sings the Blues, have any of you heard Joni muttering or whispering two repeated lines???? I thought I was hearing things and I even brought it up to a list guru in the chat room last night. Please listen closely to this song and kindly post to tell me what you hear in between these lines: But there was one song I could really feel and There's a double bill murder at the......... Honest to goodness, I hear her saying a line, twice. I know what I think it is, I want to know what you think it is. How could I just hear this after twenty-five years???? If you don't hear anything, maybe I have a rare copy (NOT) I am not(like my husband teases) playing it backwards like it was rumored people did to the Beatles White album.......... Please help me confirm my sanity and auditory discrimination. Have a great weekend, XOXOXOXO Janine ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 09:25:37 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: New Music Alert Forgive me while I gush about some great new music that's been keeping me company the past couple of weeks...I'll start with the Joni content... 1. Christopher Grener, whose interpretation of "Night In The City" appeared on Volume 5, sent me a copy of his "20th Century Instrumentals" CD. This disc is really sweet! I've listened to it every night, just to sort of chill with. The opening track is "Joni's Smile", an instrumental inspired by Joni. Sounds like something from FTR-era "Barangrill"-ish light airy jazzy sounds...his wife Martha plays flute and Christopher plays guitar. There are really interesting acoustic instruments throughout, like Bouzouki and Harmonium. Christopher is a man of varied and amazing talent! I suppose he is a luthier as well, as he plays one of David Wilcox's guitars and also one of John Sebastian's. He plays a song called "Magik" which is 'based' on Sebastian's "Do You Believe in Magic", and does the same with Stills' "Bluebird", calling it 'Bluebyrd". The disc is more of an EP, running about 25 mins with 7 tracks, but it's very lovely. I'm guessing you won't find this in stores, so if you want a copy, contact Christopher @ ChamberMuseInk@aol.com 2. The disc that's REALLY blown me out of the water is this instrumental CD by Rob Jackson. I got an advance copy so I don't think it's out there for sale yet, but it will be. It is nothing but SWEET! The only thing I've ever heard like it is Daniel Lanois' work on the "Slingblade" soundtrack. It's also got some Michael Hedges edges to it. The tracks are more "textures" than songs, but they are ALL accessibly melodic, with hooks that stay with you. Most of the tracks feature an acoustic soloist palying against an electric guitar counter/support melody, with these gorgeous synth washes in the background. You can use it as background music, but so far both times when I have done it, my guests stopped their conversation and asked "Who is this? It's beautiful!"...and if you practice, you can use the track "dreaming of Nashville" as Karaoke for "Unchained Melody"! :~) Anyway, this is a disc I'll never tire of. Look for it to pop up again when I compile my Best of 2001 roster... 3. Jonatha - Steady Pull: If you don't have this one yet, get it! In another life, Linger, Digging, & the title track would be MAJOR hits, this CD would sell about 10 million copies, and Jonatha would be the toast of the town. I certainly wish that for her, but not until I get to see her in a small club just one more time! ;~) Bob NP: Rob Jackson, "no secrets" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 10:12:18 EST From: LeslieMixon@aol.com Subject: She's Nabbed Another We're getting to know our new neighbors and invariably the subject turns to music. I boldly survey their CD collections within minutes of walking through their door (what better way to surmise their taste?) Earth, Wind & Fire, Beatles, Tom Waits, Neil Young and lots of 70s Motown. It doesn't take long before I bring up Joni. Lou confesses that one of his best male buddies is a die-hard fan, but he's not familiar with her music. I suggest that we do a music exchange - six for six. I bring him Hejira, Neil's "Silver & Gold", Mavin Gaye & Tammy Terrell, Billie's Silver Collection on Verve, Stevie's "Music Of My Mind" and Crosby/Pevar/Raymond Live at the Wiltern. I borrow 3 Beatles and CDs of 70s soul music and load up the CD player in the car. A week later we return the respective CDs. Lou gives me all but one. "Leslie, would you mind if I kept Hejira a little longer. I've listened to it several times and I'm not ready to return it yet." Amen. Enough said. Another convert to the church of Joni. Leslie ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 10:12:16 EST From: AsharaJM@aol.com Subject: Jonifest Brett (Hi Brett!!) wrote: > I have been totally afraid to turn up at a jonifest, 'cause I have little > music al talent. Many others have voiced the same thing. Everyone, please hear this loud and clear!!! There are many, many people that come to Jonifest that are not musicians. Jonifest is all about meeting each other, getting together once a year to be in community, and, of course, there is lots and lots of music to play, sing, OR just sit back and enjoy! Please do not feel that you must play an instrument or sing to attend. Nothing could be farther from the truth! It looks like there will be a VERY large crowd this year!!! I cannot stress enough how getting the following done as soon as possible will make it easier for me: 1) Joni the Labor Day Mailing List: (send a blank e-mail message to: Jonifest2001-subscribe@yahoogroups.com) I'm sure the Joni-onlys will very much appreciate it when we take this off-list, which I promise will be soon! 2) Fill out the questionnaire completely. ( jmdl.com - New England JoniFest 2001: ) For those of you bringing you significant others, please fill one out for each of you, especially food preferences. 3) Send a hard copy picture, food form, check for food (payable to me), and check for Jim Johanson (payable to him), to: Ashara Stansfield P.O. Box 215 Topsfield, MA 01983 4) Send any giveaway items to the same address. The ONLY way this does not become a burden for me, is if I don't have to chase people down for all this information. The checks for food don't need to be in until closer to the date, but everything would be appreciated as soon as you can. Thanks so much!! So far, we have raised $370.00 for Jim. That is a very good start! I will remind you that the need is very great for Jim this year, and there is much graitude for digging deep if you are able. Every single dollar counts, large or small. That's about it. Please don't be shy about attending Jonifest whether you are a musician or not. If you are even "thinking" about attending Jonifest, maybe you could drop me a line privately? I'd like to get a preliminary idea of the numbers. Hugs, Ashara ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 10:35:29 -0500 From: Yael Harlap Subject: tripping to ashara's Hey there jonifans- It's been a little while since I've posted... but since I have lost my voice today I figure I should make some noise in cyberspace. :) All the amazing jmdlers who are heading to Mass. for Jonifest are inspiring me!!! I went through this last year and wanted wanted wanted to go, but couldn't afford to fly and couldn't find driving buddies. I hadn't even considered trying to go this year but now I'm sorely tempted... I still can't afford to fly but I have a trusty little honda civic and would love to find a driving buddy from out here in the midwest somewhere! I'm in Ann Arbor, MI, and I could go as far as Pittsburgh by myself to pick someone up along the way (4 hours worth). Or if you are coming from farther West, pick me up! Anything, anything, as long as we can share the driving. I make a good driving buddy I promise. :) (And I have posted this on the Jonifest list but I thought I might inspire someone who hadn't yet considered making the trek.) vrooom, Yael np: Cat Stevens - Don't Be Shy (hey anything off the Harold and Maude soundtrack is AMAZING) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 11:31:46 -0500 From: "cassy" Subject: Re: Lesson in Survival From: > Anyone else have crucial "Joni got me through it songs?" Let us know! Many of you don't know (those who met me before the Pine Knob show do) that in the last couple of years I have suffered from two strokes. The first caused me to lose my ability to speak for a long time, the second, far more debilitating, had me hospitalized for a couple of weeks and living in a rehabilitation center for two months. The second stroke also left me wheelchair-bound for many months and until modern science realized all I needed was a little left-side support (a brace) I could not do many of the things we all take for granted. As I sat, in a deep state of depression, in my hospital bed ringing the bell, futiley, for the nurse to take me to the bathroom before I lost control and all sense of dignity, I had a lot of time for self-evaluation and deep thought. Joni's lyrics came to me in bits and pieces, in dreams and just out of the blue when I least expected them. I had time to think about the kind of person I'd dreamed of being and the reality of the person I'd become. I knew that some of the lyrics weren't written with my situation in mind nor did they really mean what I applied them to in terms of how they related to me at that time, for example "when you dig down deep, you lose good sleep and it makes you heavy company," but I had lived with Joni's words for all of my adult life and as many of you know it's hard to go through something traumatic and NOT think of a few of SIQUOMB's lyrics. I digress... The very excellent question at hand, "Joni got me through it" songs. At various times in my life different Joni songs have pulled me through but the ones that come to mind most vividly during this time are "Trouble Child" and "Down to You." I was physically a shell of my former self, I was depressed and didn't want to live let alone get out of bed each day to be tortured by physical, speech and occupational therapists who had the annoying habit of daring to be cheerful when I wanted to wallow in self-pity. Thom (my husband, my hero, my life), brought me a portable CD player and some headphones so I could perhaps let the music start to heal me from the inside out. He had a hard time deciding on which CDs to bring for me since I have quite a large selection to choose from and he hadn't been with me long enough, then, to know my favorites, he brought "Court & Spark" among others. I waited until late at night when my insomnia often had me alone, awake in the dark. I had savored the moment I would play C&S, like a child who has saved their favorite candy bar until all the other kids have gone home so they wouldn't have to share a single bite with the others, mouth almost watering in anticipation of the pleasure I knew I would find as the first strains of piano filtered across my ears. I listened more carefully than I ever remember listening before, knowing my own mortality now as I never had in the past. My mind eased into another world, my secret world of Joni. My heart-rate slowed, my breathing became easier and I felt myself relax for the first time in weeks as I let myself be carried away on the familiar flights and phrases of her fingers dancing across the keys. Until that night, Court and Spark had not been one of my favorite Joni recordings, I listened the familiar tunes silently until "Trouble Child" and as I melted into the lyrics and applied them to my current situation I cried my eyes out, sobbing until I was wrung dry of emotion, feeling sorry for myself and yet knowing it was time to live again, after all I had so much to live for: a child who needed a mother, a new love who seemed to be sticking by me regardless of the fact he wasn't getting all that he'd bargained for when we entered into our relationship. That night was a metamorphosis for me, I clicked back and listened to "Down to You," again, I realized that I couldn't sit around waiting for someone to wave a magic wand for me and make things the way they used to be, it just wasn't going to happen, it did come down to me, no one else could give me the drive and spirit it would take to get as back to normal as was possible for me and I could lie there and let my dreams go over the dam and watch my right to be human go over with them or I could motivate and stem the flood. I didn't go to sleep until the wee hours of the next morning and was exhausted when the nurses came around to take vitals and wake us for yet another day of torture. The difference that day was that I knew I was finally going to draw from within, no one was "giving" me anything except a little push to find my inner strength and man I needed that push many times over the next few months as I struggled to re-learn the simplest of tasks. It hadn't come as such a shock to know I really had no one, I knew it all along, I just needed a little reminder that I had to find the strength within me to recover. It all came down to the "river of changing faces" (the rehab staff) and above all to me. It feels wierd to give so much of myself out in a post to a public list, I am not one, usually, to share a whole lot of myself with strangers, but I see others doing it all the time here and it seems to be a pretty safe place to let people see our deeper selves. I hope I haven't bored anyone to tears but I couldn't let this opportunity to share how Joni got *me* through it. Cassy NP: "Car On a Hill" Joni Mitchell ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 11:52:14 EST From: Relayer211@aol.com Subject: Re: Lesson in Survival In a message dated 3/24/01 11:45:55 AM Eastern Standard Time, cassysweet@msn.com writes: << I hope I haven't bored anyone to tears but I couldn't let this opportunity to share how Joni got *me* through it. Cassy >> not at all.I appreciate hearing your story.that's one of the reasons for an internet community-to share our stories-and we all have one. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 19:08:26 +0200 From: "Nuriel" Subject: one tin soldier rides away i was wondering - is one tin soldier rides away a joni song? can anyone tell me more about it? it seems like there's a beautifull story going in the song's lyrics. what's it all about? and who's that awfull singer that performs it? she sounds beyond breathless. can you tell me more? yours, nuriel ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 09:10:52 -0800 (PST) From: Emilia Bedelia Subject: Urgent Hi. I'm new to this and i need some information on Joni very very very soon!!!! I'm doing a project on Joni for school and i need to know some of her personal favorites. Like her favorite song and things like that! If any of you know can you please send a post back? Thank you very much!!!!!!!!!!!!! Yahoo! Mail Personal Address - Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 12:21:53 EST From: MGVal@aol.com Subject: Re: Lesson in Survival In a message dated 03/24/2001 8:35:57 AM Pacific Standard Time, cassysweet@msn.com writes: << I hope I haven't bored anyone to tears but I couldn't let this opportunity to share how Joni got *me* through it. >> Bored to tears???? Hardly! It was kind and wonderful of you to share all of that with us. I appreciate it. Thank you very much, MG ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 11:28:51 -0800 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: Urgent Emilia- Welcome to the list. I suggest you read the plethora of articles on jmdl.com as well as jonimitchell.com You will find a ton of stuff there. We all have a bunch of radio and tv interviews that you can get for blanks and postage from most of the friendly sharing people on this list. On the other hand, if you just saty tuned to this channel for awhile, enough of the Joni Trivia experts will give you volumes of info on the life and times of JM. Good luck on your project. You MUST get an A. Peace Michael on 3/24/01 9:10 AM, Emilia Bedelia at hoops3119@yahoo.com wrote: > Hi. I'm new to this and i need some information on Joni very very very > soon!!!! I'm doing a project on Joni for school and i need to know some of her > personal favorites. Like her favorite song and things like that! If any of you > know can you please send a post back? Thank you very much!!!!!!!!!!!!! > Yahoo! Mail Personal Address - Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 11:29:00 -0800 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: Lesson in Survival Hi Cassy- Thanks for sharing this with us. I hope you are feeling better and quick on the mend. I have not personally had to use the Mitchell Method for any medical healing, but when I am feeling down it's the best medicine. The great thing for me about her music is, that it is wonderful if you are up OR down. Take care. Michael NP-Linger (Live)-Jonatha Brooke n 3/24/01 8:31 AM, cassy at cassysweet@msn.com wrote: > From: >> Anyone else have crucial "Joni got me through it songs?" Let us > know! > > Many of you don't know (those who met me before the Pine Knob show do) > that in the last couple of years I have suffered from two strokes. > The first caused me to lose my ability to speak for a long time, the > second, far more debilitating, had me hospitalized for a couple of > weeks and living in a rehabilitation center for two months. The > second stroke also left me wheelchair-bound for many months and until > modern science realized all I needed was a little left-side support (a > brace) I could not do many of the things we all take for granted. > > As I sat, in a deep state of depression, in my hospital bed ringing > the bell, futiley, for the nurse to take me to the bathroom before I > lost control and all sense of dignity, I had a lot of time for > self-evaluation and deep thought. Joni's lyrics came to me in bits > and pieces, in dreams and just out of the blue when I least expected > them. I had time to think about the kind of person I'd dreamed of > being and the reality of the person I'd become. I knew that some of > the lyrics weren't written with my situation in mind nor did they > really mean what I applied them to in terms of how they related to me > at that time, for example "when you dig down deep, you lose good sleep > and it makes you heavy company," but I had lived with Joni's words for > all of my adult life and as many of you know it's hard to go through > something traumatic and NOT think of a few of SIQUOMB's lyrics. I > digress... > > The very excellent question at hand, "Joni got me through it" songs. > At various times in my life different Joni songs have pulled me > through but the ones that come to mind most vividly during this time > are "Trouble Child" and "Down to You." I was physically a shell of my > former self, I was depressed and didn't want to live let alone get out > of bed each day to be tortured by physical, speech and occupational > therapists who had the annoying habit of daring to be cheerful when I > wanted to wallow in self-pity. > > Thom (my husband, my hero, my life), brought me a portable CD player > and some headphones so I could perhaps let the music start to heal me > from the inside out. He had a hard time deciding on which CDs to > bring for me since I have quite a large selection to choose from and > he hadn't been with me long enough, then, to know my favorites, he > brought "Court & Spark" among others. > > I waited until late at night when my insomnia often had me alone, > awake in the dark. I had savored the moment I would play C&S, like a > child who has saved their favorite candy bar until all the other kids > have gone home so they wouldn't have to share a single bite with the > others, mouth almost watering in anticipation of the pleasure I knew I > would find as the first strains of piano filtered across my ears. I > listened more carefully than I ever remember listening before, knowing > my own mortality now as I never had in the past. My mind eased into > another world, my secret world of Joni. My heart-rate slowed, my > breathing became easier and I felt myself relax for the first time in > weeks as I let myself be carried away on the familiar flights and > phrases of her fingers dancing across the keys. > > Until that night, Court and Spark had not been one of my favorite Joni > recordings, I listened the familiar tunes silently until "Trouble > Child" and as I melted into the lyrics and applied them to my current > situation I cried my eyes out, sobbing until I was wrung dry of > emotion, feeling sorry for myself and yet knowing it was time to live > again, after all I had so much to live for: a child who needed a > mother, a new love who seemed to be sticking by me regardless of the > fact he wasn't getting all that he'd bargained for when we entered > into our relationship. > > That night was a metamorphosis for me, I clicked back and listened to > "Down to You," again, I realized that I couldn't sit around waiting > for someone to wave a magic wand for me and make things the way they > used to be, it just wasn't going to happen, it did come down to me, no > one else could give me the drive and spirit it would take to get as > back to normal as was possible for me and I could lie there and let my > dreams go over the dam and watch my right to be human go over with > them or I could motivate and stem the flood. > > I didn't go to sleep until the wee hours of the next morning and was > exhausted when the nurses came around to take vitals and wake us for > yet another day of torture. The difference that day was that I knew I > was finally going to draw from within, no one was "giving" me anything > except a little push to find my inner strength and man I needed that > push many times over the next few months as I struggled to re-learn > the simplest of tasks. It hadn't come as such a shock to know I > really had no one, I knew it all along, I just needed a little > reminder that I had to find the strength within me to recover. It all > came down to the "river of changing faces" (the rehab staff) and above > all to me. > > It feels wierd to give so much of myself out in a post to a public > list, I am not one, usually, to share a whole lot of myself with > strangers, but I see others doing it all the time here and it seems to > be a pretty safe place to let people see our deeper selves. I hope I > haven't bored anyone to tears but I couldn't let this opportunity to > share how Joni got *me* through it. > > Cassy > > NP: "Car On a Hill" Joni Mitchell ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 10:36:39 -0700 From: "shane mattison" Subject: T-shirt slogans;NJ dear anne, you mentioned t-shirt slogans...i have a few others canned in = my documents... keep on truckin', shane Return-Path: Received: from rly-st09.mail.aol.com (rly-st09.mail.aol.com [172.20.105.3]) by air-xd05.mail.aol.com (v77_r1.21) with ESMTP; Wed, 28 Feb 2001 07:28:49 -0500 Received: from rly-xb04.mx.aol.com (rly-xb04.mail.aol.com [172.20.105.105]) by rly-st09.mail.aol.com (8.8.8/8.8.8/AOL-5.0.0) with ESMTP id HAA04344 for ; Wed, 28 Feb 2001 07:23:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from femail1.rdc1.on.home.com (femail1.rdc1.on.home.com [24.2.9.88]) by rly-xb04.mx.aol.com (v77_r1.21) with ESMTP; Wed, 28 Feb 2001 07:23:12 1900 Received: from cr504956a ([24.112.13.68]) by femail1.rdc1.on.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.00 201-229-121) with SMTP id <20010228122156.RJOK14622.femail1.rdc1.on.home.com@cr504956a>; Wed, 28 Feb 2001 04:21:56 -0800 Message-ID: <004301c0a181$72367ac0$440d7018@lndn1.on.wave.home.com> From: "J. Adams" To: "Amanda" , "kleeming" , "Beverly Messenger" , "Elda" , "Val" Cc: Subject: Fw: T-shirt slogans Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 07:24:50 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 > "Frankly, Scallop, I Don't Give a Clam." (seen onCape Cod) > > "That's It! I'm Calling Grandma!" (seen on an 8 year old) > > "Wrinkled Was Not One of the Things I Wanted to Be When I Grew Up" > > "Procrastinate Now." > > "Rehab Is for Quitters." > > "My Dog Can Lick Anyone." > > "Finally 21, and Legally Able to Do Everything I've Been Doing Since 15." > > "ALL MEN ARE IDIOTS, AND I MARRIED THEIR KING." > > "West Virginia: One Million People, and 15 last names." > > "FAILURE IS NOT AN OPTION. It comes bundled with the software." > > "A hangover is the wrath of grapes." > > "A journey of a thousand miles begins with a cash advance." > > "STUPIDITY IS NOT A HANDICAP. Park elsewhere!" > > "DISCOURAGE INBREEDING - Ban Country Music." > > "MOOSEHEAD: A great beer and a new experience for a moose." > > "They call it 'PMS' because 'Mad Cow Disease' was already taken " > > "He who dies with the most toys is nonetheless dead." > > "Time's fun when you're having flies.......Kermit the Frog." > > "POLICE STATION TOILET STOLEN .... Cops have nothing to go on." > > "FOR SALE: Iraqi rifle. Never fired. Dropped once." > > "HECK IS WHERE PEOPLE GO WHO DON'T BELIEVE IN GOSH." > > "A PICTURE IS WORTH A THOUSAND WORDS, but it uses up a thousand times the > memory." > > "The Meek shall inherit the earth....after we're through with it." > > "Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana." > > "HAM AND EGGS - A day's work for a chicken; A lifetime commitment for a > pig." > > "WELCOME TO KENTUCKY - Set your watch back 20 years." > > "The trouble with life is there's no background music." > > "IF THERE IS NO GOD, WHO POPS UP THE NEXT KLEENEX?" > > "Suicidal Twin Kills Sister By Mistake!" > > "The original point-and-click interface was a Smith & Wesson." > > "MY WILD OATS HAVE TURNED TO SHREDDED WHEAT." > > "Computer programmers don't byte, they nybble a bit." > > "Computer programmers know how to use their hardware." > > "MOP AND GLOW - Floor wax used by Three-Mile-Island cleanup team." > > "NyQuil - The stuffy, sneezy, why-the-hell-is-the-room-spinning medicine." > > "Quoting one is plagiarism. Quoting many is research." > > "My husband and I divorced over religious differences. He thought he was > God, and I didn't." ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 12:45:49 EST From: AsharaJM@aol.com Subject: Re: Lesson in Survival Cassy, What a beautiful, beautiful post!! Thank you so much for sharing it with us! Hugs, Ashara ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 11:42:10 -0600 From: Richard Rice Subject: Joni's Portfolio. Hi All, Private as it is, I really like this thread about just how much Joni is making, or not making from her music. I guess I take her at her word when she says the money owed the record company for production has rarely been recouped from sales. Of course, everything is relative. Considering the cost of living the life she lives... Bel Air home, apartment in New York. What is eeking out profitsfor her would put me on Boardwalk, with a lot of stach left over. Those of you who are in the know about the music industry, please carry on with this thread. This is fascinating stuff. Would it not be fair to say that Joni did make profits with Blue, For the Roses, Court and Spark and Hissing of Summer Lawns? Lawns sold resonably well if I recall, in spite of the bad reviews. I can easily see how DJRD would not recoup the cost of making the record. It probably had to have one of the highest studio production costs of anything she put out; and none of the songs got any air play. The big money losers had to have been Mingus and Dog Eat Dog. Especially Mingus. Cosider the quality of players who performed with her. Consider as well that the record was recorded several times with different bands. The buying public replied to all this with a resounding lack of interest. Jazz purists, small market as they are, hated the record. And for the general public, this disk might as well have been music from Mars. I hold nothing against Geffen for not promoting this material. What possible way could one package these to a mass market audience in love with main stream, feel good pap? Do you really think 4 out of 10 average music buyers is going to listen to Wolf in Lindsey and think, "Coool. Let's get that album for tonight's party!" based on promotion? It may have drawn the curious enlightened few, but Joni's music doesn't 'fit' the general norm people buy and play music: as feel good listening entertainment, to dance to, as atmosphere at a party, or to make love to. She's too heavy, too off the beat, to verbose and cerebral, and too cynical for general consumption. Admit it gang, we're weird. Wonderfully enlightened, but weird. As for her paintings. Profits here are another story. The painting arts, when you have your act together at least, has a huge, huge magin between the cost of production (time and supplies) and the worth of the product. Considering it costs no more than 300 dollars to produce one of her largest paintings, and the fact that she can command prices in the 20 grand plus range, I'd say Joni is doing quite alright on the painting front regarding profit. Even if she does have to split the profits with her agent. I understand the music videos around the time of Chalk Mark in a Rainstorm were financed by an exhibit in Japan that sold well? The exhibit she had in Saskatoon is worth over a million dollars in market value. Perhaps Joan is more shrew that we give her credit. Perhaps all those recordings all these years were ploys to up the value of her painting catalogue??? John, not Rich. NP: Spring!!! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 18:56:15 -0000 From: "Garret" Subject: Joni's Jazz In the tradition of "top five lists (but why limit it to five", i have a question: What are your favourite jazz or jazz-y Joni tracks??? and why? GARRET NP- God Must be a Boogie Man (from S&L) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 14:04:40 EST From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: Lesson in Survival In a message dated 3/24/01 11:45:55 AM Eastern Standard Time, cassysweet@msn.com writes: << I hope I haven't bored anyone to tears but I couldn't let this opportunity to share how Joni got *me* through it. >> Cassy, that was far from being boring. I thank you for sharing such a beautiful story. You mentioned "Down to You" as one of the songs that motivated you to get on with life. I played that song quite a bit yesterday. After several months dealing with the separation from my ex, I just found out from the veterinarian neurologist that my little yorkie has GME (Granulomatous Meningoencephalitis). She has lesions on the cerebral part of her brain, which cause her to lose her balance. The cause is unknown, and it is terminal. I am putting her on high doses of steroids to help her out, but at least the doctor has assured me she is not in any pain. I was so sad yesterday and last night, and I listened to "Down to You" over and over. I was mostly focusing on the lines: "Everything comes and goes Pleasure moves on too early And trouble leaves too slow Just when you're thinking You've finally got it made Bad news comes knocking At your garden gate" I thought shit, here I've come such a long way in dealing with my break up and the powers that be have just thrown some more shit at me. Today I'm focusing on what you did Cassy............"It all comes down to You". I'm not going to wallow in sadness. I'm going to enjoy my little Maxine everyday while I still have her. It *all* does come down to me! Who knows? Miracles can happen. Thanks again for sharing your story and your life. That's why this list is so important to me. Have a nice weekend everyone! Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 14:04:39 EST From: Merk54@aol.com Subject: Re: Lesson in Survival In a message dated 3/24/01 10:38:21 AM Central Standard Time, cassysweet@msn.com writes: > I hope I > haven't bored anyone to tears but I couldn't let this opportunity to > share how Joni got *me* through it. > > Cassy, There are tears my eyes, but trust me, not from boredom. What a beautiful and inspirational story! Having just gone through a quadruple bypass this past Valentine's Day, I can relate to so much of what you were saying, though I must admit, I don't think I faced nearly as many challenges as you did. I am so happy that you had someone like Thom to stand by you in your time of need. I know I couldn't have made it without the loving support of my wife Betty. Similarly, over the past month or so, I have had numerous communications with Brian and Mags, so I know how important Mags was in Brian's recovery. To all the Thoms and Bettys and Mags of the world - I salute you! During the recovery process, it is often difficult to be the loving partner that we should be - we're often too preoccupied with our own situation, our own pain, our own pity, to realize how difficult this situation is for you as well. Bless you for looking past these indiscretions, and supporting us any way. Cassy, like you, I often overlook Court and Spark. In my case, I think it's because I tend to dismiss it as Joni's Pop album. I recognize it as a classic, but when I'm searching for a Joni album to play, I tend to bypass it for the more heady stuff. However, once in a blue moon, the mood will strike me, and I'll play it, and I'll always be blown away by it. In fact, I can't wait to finish typing this, so I can run down stairs and play it. After hearing your story, this album will have a whole new meaning for me. As far as Joni music getting me through tough times, I would have to point to Hejira. This whole album was like listening to my life story at the time it was released. I was in the the death throws of a long term relationship with a woman whom I considered a soul mate. I couldn't imagine my life without her. I wasn't suicidal or anything, but I did have bouts of extreme depression. It would be hard to pick out one song that helped me through this time, though if I had to pick one it would be Song for Sharon. Throw in a little Hejira, Amelia, Blue Motel Room, Refuge of the Roads, Black Crow, Strange Boy, and Coyote and you had glimpse of my life. Oddly, though it was the opening line of the album that eventually rang the loudest and the truest - - No regrets, Coyote. What power these three little words have over me. And what a beautiful idea - regardless of where life takes us, through successes and failures, ups and downs, have no regrets. Welcome life with open arms. Savor the good times, and learn from the bad times. No regrets, Coyote. Jack ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 19:13:58 +0000 From: catman Subject: jonifest fundraiser I was thinking I might donate a sweater for raising funds for Jim. I am just not sure how best to do it. My thoughts: I could just make one and it could be either raffled or auctioned. Or I could offer to make one for the winner of the raffle/auction. The latter I can tell will be problem because I know from experience what a pain the arse people can be. 'could you do it this or that way or move this over there etc etc etc so actually, maybe the first suggestion is best! The sweater will be a jaquard, plain, with JMDL either knitted as a motif or embroidered on after knitting The yarn will be pure wool, probably Merino. The colour will have to be whatever I have! Crew necked, dropped shoulders are unisex. Thoughts will be welcome - -- bw colin colin@tantra.fsbusiness.co.uk http://www.geocities.com/tantra_apso/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 14:24:06 -0500 From: Emily Kirk Gray Subject: David Geffen SJC hi everyone! last night i was watching some of VH1's "behind the music: john lennon, the later years" and although i have MUCH i could go on and on about lennon (he is a hero of mine), the one thing that struck me in a joni context was... the program was describing john's big "return to music" with the lennon/ono record "double fantasy" (a big favorite of mine). and how since they had made the album without a label, there was so much interest when it came to who was going to buy the rights to produce and release it (i think that's right -- bear with me on the technical stuff, i'm a little confused about how the music biz works). so they got many, many offers from various music industry people. but the one they accepted was david geffen. why? yoko explains: it was the ONLY letter they got which was addressed to her (she had been for some time in charge of all the business side of their work), and she showed that to john (who was so angry at how yoko was treated in general, the disrespect to her as an artist, business- woman, and person in general) -- and he said, "well, that's the one we'll take then, right?" she agreed, and they signed with geffen. pretty cool story, huh? i never knew that. somehow i have to believe that d.g.'s experience working with JONI was part of what taught him to recognize and respect women artists in their own right, like yoko (someone as fiercely uncompromising as joni.) - -- emily, who made a vow when she bought "double fantasy" to NEVER skip over yoko's songs, and who has now come to appreciate them and even like a couple! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 14:42:38 -0500 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Good news. (was Re: Bad News...) pyramus said, > ..I bought 'Mingus' today which means I now have all of Joni's stuff on CD. Now what do I have to look forward to? > > Maybe the 'Hissing' tapes... Hmmmm. ***** Well, yeah. There's the Hissing Demos. There's still lots of primary material to be explored. There are hours of video, beginning with "Painting With Words and Music" (in print), and "Shadows and Light" (in print SOME places). In a special category by itself, are David Lahm's two volumes covering Joni in the Jazz idiom, "Jazz Take On Joni Mitchell" and the new one. Both are in print. - ---- If you're open to collecting Joni stuff that's not store bought, there's an additional world available to you. Like there are tons of concert cassettes. This stuff spans her entire career, from the pre-recording contract days in coffeehouses to the BSN tour of 2000. I make my collection (acquired through the grace and generosity of Simon) available on a blanks and postage basis. Others have made CDs available on B&P basis. You could delve into the JMDL video trees (on four tapes so far). I make them available on a blanks and postage basis (thanks to the grace and generosity of Ashara). Then there's "Refuge Of The Road" (out of print). - --- Or Bob Muller's Covers project. Through the first gazillion volumes, with contributions from around the world, he has mastered Joni songs covered by many, many artists. Available on CD from Bob on a blanks and postage basis. The latest volume, on 2 CDs, sports an audiophile mastering job by the Joni Archivist, Simon. Bob has vowed to keep the Covers coming until he "assumes room temperature". - --- And we are lucky enough to have lots of musicians and songwriters in our midst here at the JMDL. You can start exploring at http://www.jmdl.com/artists/index.cfm but some folks like Clark Carlton, Fred Simon, the Mixons, and the aforementioned David Lahm are not on this page yet! C'mon folks! - --- Then there are CDs of JMDLers singing Joni and non-Joni songs at JoniFests. These might be harder to find but there are some real gems. (Everyone has their favorites and I **won't** name mine!) Some of these folks don't have official releases yet but don't "pass this good music by." All the best, Lama As that sage Marcel Deste once quoted, "Don't worry about the No's, just focus on the Yes's. No's all have the same value (zero) its the Yes's that can buy you a new life." ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2001 #97 ******************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she?