From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2001 #93 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Wednesday, March 21 2001 Volume 2001 : Number 093 The 'Official' Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. Information on the 4th "Annual" New England JoniFest: http://www.jmdl.com/jfne2001.cfm The Joni Chat Room: http://www.jmdl.com/chat.cfm ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- mistaken identity ["Paul Castle" ] *Joni and smoking [hilary@geko.net.au (Hilary Rhodes)] [none] [Gordon Mackie ] Re: *Joni and smoking [catman ] Re: runaway from the record biz [philipf@tinet.ie] Re: *Joni and smoking [MGVal@aol.com] classic hits sale ["kerry" ] Re: *Joni and smoking [RoseMJoy@aol.com] RE: byt remix favorite [christopher blake ] Re: Edith and the Kingpin [RoseMJoy@aol.com] Joni and Smoking [James Leahy ] Covers, Volume 15!! Kudos to Simon! [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: *Joni and smoking [Jerry Notaro ] Covers #15 Lotto - You could be a winner! [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Kakki's take on smoking [Jennymac48@aol.com] Joni anagram [Jennymac48@aol.com] Joni and Smoking [James Leahy ] Re: Shadows and Light DVD [Jerry Notaro ] Re: *Joni and smoking ["Mike Hicks" ] Re: *Joni and smoking [Jerry Notaro ] Re: *Joni and smoking ["Mike Hicks" ] smoke gets in... [christopher blake ] Songs To Aging Children Come [Steve Dulson ] Re: smoke gets in... [Jerry Notaro ] Re: *Joni and smoking [catman ] Re: Both Sides *No* video (DVD)? [Catherine McKay ] Re: smoke gets in... [catman ] Re: Joni and Smoking [catman ] Re: Both Sides *No* video (DVD)? [Jerry Notaro ] Re: *Joni and smoking ["Victor Johnson" ] Re: Both Sides *No* video (DVD)? [Kammass@aol.com] Re: *Joni and smoking [Alison E ] RE:joni and smoking ["Garret" ] Re: *Joni and smoking [Phyliss Ward ] Joni and smoking [Sue Glumac ] Joni's Covers are Sssssssmokin'! [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Joni and Smoking ["blonde in the bleachers" ] Re: introduce myself [Alison E ] Re: Joni and Smoking [Alison E ] Edith and Beating Bars ["Brenda J. Walker" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 08:29:52 -0000 From: "Paul Castle" Subject: mistaken identity Jodcrazee@aol.com wrote: >I just finished reading Stacy Ludwig's book "Joni Mitchell Companian{sp?} and Scott sp@olympus.net wrote: >I also remember she was slightly annoyed at not being given a chance >to proof the *entire* book prior to its publication. Unfortunately, typos happen - but the biggest insult is to misspell the author's name on the cover of the book - her name is Stacey Luftig. ^ In a previous incarnation, I was responsible for checking the galleys for a book with a 40,000 print run. When the final printed copies arrived (all 40,000), I excitedly opened one, to immediately spot the word 'Forward'. Gulping and hot flushing like crazy, I rushed to check the original proofs, only to find that they were correct, ie 'Foreword'. To this day, I've no idea how this happened, but I was still condemned to the land where the buck stops - and still turn bright red whenever I see a copy. Pal Castle ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 20:06:46 +1100 From: hilary@geko.net.au (Hilary Rhodes) Subject: *Joni and smoking Hi (out of lurk mode), I accept that Joni is addicted to this stuff, and read that she tried desparately to give it up. I also know many smokers who, because they cannot stop it, wear it as a badge of defiance. I suppose for me, it is an irony that Joni, who is a person who is very conscious of environmental degradation, appears (and that is the operative word) to glamorise the habit, which is so desctructive on so many levels, especially with regard to the use of land in many struggling countries, where arable land is used for these cash crops. Maybe she too, is making an ironic statement , who knows. To an onlooker, it could be perceived to be glamourisation. Joni appears in public smoking, holding cigarettes on record covers, posters and in her own paintings, therefore, I don't think it is wrong to discuss this, and it is our business and should be honest about it. I feel sorrow for her in this regard. From what I have seen of what it does to others, smoking does cloud logic, especially in those who are very addicted. Maybe Joni just cannot help looking glamorous with whatever she does. Although I have never smoked in my life but I realise how addictive it is, having lived with smokers, during a greater part of my life (one of them being my father). I (fortunately) never took it up, having a very devastating asthma attack, which was most probably life threatening. My father had chronic bronchitis and I realised early on that I had the same genetic propensity for this. I do not write this to pass judgment about what Joni does, but the message at large that concerns me, and now the subject has been aired, so to speak, I am 'coming out' and posting my thoughts on the matter. I do not love her any the less for it, I am just very sad about it, that's all. Regards, Hil >This may be, for you old-timers, worn territory. But, I have often wondered >why Joni feels it so necessary to ingrain the fact that she smokes so >indelibly into her public persona. http://www.geko.net.au/~hilary/Index.html http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/5014 "If Music be the Food of Love - Logon!" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 09:47:56 +0000 From: Gordon Mackie Subject: [none] cassysweet@msn.com stated... For me, the bars in her head are music bars. That makes sense to me too as the next line refers to them (the bars) 'beating'. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 10:38:45 +0000 From: catman Subject: Re: *Joni and smoking > Bottom line is people should be so zealous about > tackling the more important big issues, IMHO. ;-) Too true! John does not like to go to the cinema where he cannot smoke. It doesn't bother me. i can happily go without. It alos provides me with a good guide as to how good the movie is - if I startt to want a cigarette it isn't that good! You cannot smoke of aircraft anymore. My trip to Boston back in 97, 7 hours without a fag. BUT I was far too scared to have smoked one anyway! Strange I know, but if I am reallly uptight, I can't smoke, nor drink nor eat. Smoking isn't good, obviously, but the risks associated with it are far, far less than some would have us believe. There was research done here that siad that smokers overestimate by far the risks of it. You know, we aren't supposed to smoke, eat red meat, fat(and i am someone who eats a huigh fat, high protein, low carb diet whose choleseterol has gone DOWN), we are supposed to excercise daily(when studies have shown that 1 hr's walking ACCUMULATED in one week is enough for your heart, and in fact 1 hr or so in the gym a day does not make your heart any fitter than that 1 hr walking!). It is time doctors and people face d the fact that we are all mortal and therefore we will all die and their is nothing we can do about it. The modern climate of constant health warnings pours a lot of neagtivity into our consciences, makes people worry about it which is not good for health! People will always die prematurely for a host of reasons. We have constant ads here ont v etc dstating that 1 in 3 people will get cancer. Now that is not helpful. Instilling fear of this sort is not helpful. Look after your heart and die of cancer. I know which i'd rather die with. Due to the health climate, people now feel guilty for getting sick as it must be their fault! Poo! So they think if they become good, follow this recipe or that, this philosophy or that, they will recover. When they don't they die with guilt and shame for having got sick. Bad. Instead we should live today the best we can, take care of ourselves reasonably without obesssion, and be thankfuul we surbvived another day. None of has the right to live a day, let alone 90 years. Be thankfull for what we have. I have lived 42 years, it amazes me. i might live another hour, another 42 years, who knows? But I will live whatever I have the best I know how, and be happy and grateful. I know what misery is and it ain;t worth it and it is somewhat optional! It takes a lot of hard work to change but it is well worth the effort. Life is for enjoying, and those of us who are in fortunate circumstances, sould take every advantage of that and be grateful for our blessings. At least we are not the victims of genocide or famine or war right now. > > > Kakki - -- bw colin colin@tantra.fsbusiness.co.uk http://www.geocities.com/tantra_apso/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 11:35:18 -0000 From: philipf@tinet.ie Subject: Re: runaway from the record biz - ----- Original Message ----- From: Nuriel > how can a runaway from the record biz stand on the grammy's stage and kiss > bono? what can be more biz in the record biz than u2? a true runaway from the > record biz would have stayed at home that night. > yours, > Nuriel > It's a good question but I doubt if Joni would choose to hang out with a tosser like Bono. I read here that she left the show early. Philip ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 07:32:23 EST From: MGVal@aol.com Subject: Re: *Joni and smoking << Oh get over yourself! If you were actually lucky enough to be graced by the presence of one of the greatest artists of our time you'd call her on smoking! Go sit in your own smoke free room without Joni in it! Sorry, I don't think that superior artistry gives someone the license to indulge in their addiction to expense of others. Kakki pointed out that for the Sasakatoon opening, she was probably nervous and that the her smoking wasn't the best for the paintings and wasn't going to really harm them. And she's certainly correct about that as well as her point, (and Colin's, I believe), that it's too bad that people don't worry more and be more zealous about larger issues when they nitpick on smoking. However, just because there are people who are hypocritical when it comes to maintaining the integrity of a smoke free environment, doesn't mean that it's not a real issue. It certainly is a health issue for many people and a legitimate concern. One of my co-workers suffers terribly from severe asthma. She accepts that people smoke and expects to have to deal with it. However, in a "smoke free" place, she expects to be able to breathe without hassle. It's horrible to watch her gasp for breath on a rainy day after she's run through the work entrance where the smokers congregate under the front awning. So yeah, if Joni was smoking around me where I expected to be able to breathe freely, I'm not going to wheeze in silence while she puffs away. If I ran into her outdoors or some other smoking place, I would put up or shut up. I would also like to take this opportunity to say that my experiences with smokers is that they have a real tough time of it from anti-smoking laws to high taxes on tobacco to social ostracism. And in my gatherings with list smokers, they have never been anything less than courteous and considerate with their smoking. >> (This may seem harsh, but enough already of this smoking police crap! And I don't even smoke!) >> Didn't see that many posts by this and I think it is less smoking police and more someone just brought up a discussion of Joni's habits/addictions. I've not seen any get too sanctimonious about this, (except for me but people who smoke in "smoke free" places can drive me nuts), no one has said, "I'm better than her because I don't smoke." MG ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 07:42:02 -0600 From: "kerry" Subject: classic hits sale Amazon.com is having a "classic hits for $8.99" sale. Lots of Joni, classic rock, pop, blues, etc. (note - Joni is listed under "folk") Damn, I was just giving my credit card a rest! Happy shopping, Kerry ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 08:54:38 EST From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: *Joni and smoking In a message dated 3/20/01 11:38:05 PM Eastern Standard Time, KakkiB@worldnet.att.net writes: > Last I knew smoking inside was allowed in New York (although perhaps not in > I went outside to smoke, but then later learned that you could smoke in the lounge area of the ladies room. I recall Joni explaining during an interview that smoking was like eating and breathing to her. I can relate to that. This morning I was out of cigarettes and I was a nervous wreck until I got to the store to buy some. I watched my mother who was a life time smoker stuck on a ventilator. She had bronchial asthma most of her life, but continued to puff away. I think that after a while we become unaffected by the dangers we engage in. I watched my mother die and I lost a brother to lung cancer and still I can't give it up. Is this self destruction or are we such creatures of habit, I ask myself? Rose in NJ ready to light up another rosemjoy@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 05:56:38 -0800 (PST) From: christopher blake Subject: RE: byt remix favorite - --- Wally Kairuz wrote: > well, i love #1 and the beginning of #5. after a > while they all kind of > merge into the same thing in my head. > wallyK > hi wally. i must say that agree with you about the merging of the mixes - i knew that i wasn't alone:) > -----Mensaje original----- > De: owner-joni@jmdl.com > [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]En nombre de > christopher blake > Enviado el: Martes, 20 de Marzo de 2001 04:46 p.m. > Para: joni chat > Asunto: byt remix favorite > > > i'm new but am wondering if i am alone trying to > discern my favorite byt remix from that "friends" > re-mix cd featuring (i believe)7 mixes of the tune. > just figured i would throw that out there... > -peace > christopher > Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. > http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 08:59:37 EST From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: Edith and the Kingpin In a message dated 3/21/01 12:20:15 AM Eastern Standard Time, hell@ihug.co.nz writes: > Again it sounds like Joni here. Doesn't she sleep until mid-afternoon, and > stay up all night?! > > Yes, hell, she's nocturnal. I think she stays up all night to paint and play with her cats. - -Rose rosemjoy@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 08:25:04 -0500 From: James Leahy Subject: Joni and Smoking Shelah Rogers, the host of CBC Radio's This Morning show, told a story recently about an interview she did with Joni back in 1994. One of the conditions of the interview was that Joni be allowed to smoke during the interview in the CBC's non-smoking studios. Being a huge fan, Shelagh agreed. After the interview, Shelagh was informed that she was going to be fined for allowing smoking in the workplace. The man who "turned her in" was none other than Shelagh's own husband, the show's producer. At the end of her story, Shelagh stated that "Ever since then, Joni Mitchell has put me $10,000 in debt." As for me, I smoke. I wish I were a nonsmoker, but I don't want to give it up because I'm afraid that it's become so important to my whole being that something dreadful would happen to me if I stopped. I smoke outside the gym after my workout. I'm always getting comments from people who feel that this activity is somehow ironic, given the circumstances, and that they have the right to comment on it. My reaction is somewhat like Joni's. It makes me even more rebellious. I guess what I'm really rebelling against are their middle-brow, unoriginal minds -- couldn't they talk about something more intriguing, like the weather? Criticizing smokers is health fascism at its worst. It's such an easy target, a mom-and-apple-pie issue. Some of my critics go jogging into downtown streets, sucking up all that CO2 at great rates, damaging their knees and jolting their spines. Then they go off to the bar and get pissed. I can only laugh. Now don't get me started on people and their cars! Jim ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 09:07:37 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Covers, Volume 15!! Kudos to Simon! Now that (hopefully) the "smoke" has cleared, I want to mention the latest volume in the burgeoning "Covers & Contributions" series...The 2-CD Volume 15! Now I won't go any further before I acknowledge the contributor for the ENTIRE SET!! Simon has opened the vaults and mastered a true gem of a collection here. Also, as he is blessed with a King's ransom worth of audio equipment, the sound quality here is par excellence! So, thanks to Simon for his gargantuan efforts - much appreciated! He's also arranged these chronologically instead of the Muller "throw them up in the air and see how they land" method! ;~D Without further ado...here's what on the discs: CD#1 1. George Hamilton IV – Both Sides Now 2. Courage of Lassie – Urge For Going 3. Madeline MacNeil – Urge For Going 4. Almaz Yebio – Song To A Seagull 5. Julie Adams & The Mountain Stage Band – Cactus Tree 6. Julie Adams & The Mountain Stage Band – Urge For Going 7. Singers Unlimited – I Don’t Know Where I Stand 8. Tir Na Nog – Songs To Aging Children Come 9. Claire Hamill & Andrew Warren – Both Sides Now (Pop Mix) 10. Dianne Reeves – Both Sides Now (Live on KCRW, 6/16/95) 11. James Durst – For Free 12. Klaudio & Rico – He Comes For Conversation 13. Cam Clarke – Rainy Night House 14. Sugar Beats – Big Yellow Taxi 15. Big Country – Woodstock 16. Spin Doctors - Woodstock Disc #2 1. Random Maxx – Carey 2. Marian Hoiting Kwartet – Carey 3. Frente – Blue 4. Jeff Stewart – River 5. Naked Barbies – River 6. Willowgreen – River 7. Angie Palmer – A Case of You 8. Caroline Lavelle – A Case of You (Remix) 9. Caroline Lavelle – A Case of You (Psovi Psovi Mix) 10. Rachel Bissex – The Last Time I Saw Richard 11. Legiao Urbana – The Last Time I Saw Richard 12. Alexandra van Marken – See You Sometime 13. Bill Laswell – Twisted 14. Robin McElhatten – Twisted 15. Ellen Johnson – Twisted 16. Stevie Salas – Amelia 17. Uptown – The Dry Cleaner From Des Moines 18. Dawn Aitken – Be Cool I won't go into 'review mode' as there are so many delicacies here...suffice to say that if you're a fan of the series, this is DEFINITELY one you want. If you're not a fan, this one may sway you. After all, it's sorta naive in my opinion to think that only Joni can bring depth & insight into her music... I know what you're saying..."OK Bob, stop flappin' yer yap and tell me how I too can possess these man-made treasures"...as always, it's easy: 1. Send me (2) 80-min CD's in a padded mailer with return postage included. Don't send jewel cases, they just crack and drive up the postage. 2. Send me $8 which will cover the costs for everything. 3. Send me a trade list; maybe we can trade! 4. Euros, contact John van Tiel and get in line! ;~) Any other countries/continents, contact me privately and we'll work it out...I just got through sending a couple volumes to a cool JMDL'er in Africa, so there are NO boundaries in JMDL-land... 5. There is no #5. 6. If you want to get any of the previous volumes along with these, lemme know - I'm happy to oblige! Mail stuff to: Bob Muller 309 West Prentiss Ave. Greenville, SC 29605 Be sure to include a note reminding me what you want. Your discs will come back to you nicely labeled and with an insert so you'll know what's on it. And yes, I will be giving a set away...see the next post for details! ;~) Bob NP: The Front Porch Swingin' Liquor Pigs, "Wrong Yo-yo" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 09:09:11 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: *Joni and smoking MGVal@aol.com wrote: > > > HOWEVER, it less that she is a "poor" role model and more that she seems to > insist to smoke regardless of where she is. If you watch the Saskatoon > videos, there she is, smoking in a "smoke free" art gallery. Why? > > If you watch the TNN Tribute to Joni Mitchell, there she is, puffing away in > a theater that is "no-smoking." Pretty darn rude to the other people in the > theater to say nothing of a safety hazard. > > No matter how much I like Joni and admire her art, having her puff away in a > space where I expect to see smoke free would have me calling her on it and > fast. Now, now, Mary Grace. Our dear Joan is an addict. That is quite clear. Nicotine is just as addicting as alcohol or heroin. That's why RJ Reynolds stock is the one that hasn't nose dived recently. She probably won't appear if not allowed to smoke. So they make a rare exception for her. I feel more pity for her addiction than anything. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 09:11:44 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Covers #15 Lotto - You could be a winner! OK...for your free copy of the 2-CD "Covers" Volume 15, just e-mail me (privately) a 3-digit number...that's it. Whoever's closest wins. If it's a tie, you both win. If 800 folks all guess the right number, well, I'm really screwed! ;~D The contest will end at Midnight, Monday 3/26...I won't announce who's leading until the end. Ready...set...play! Yours Truly, Wink Martindale ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 09:12:04 EST From: Jennymac48@aol.com Subject: Kakki's take on smoking Right on, smokin' Kakki Mama. How many people actually caught cancer at the gallery or tribute??? Ohmigod!! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 09:14:22 EST From: Jennymac48@aol.com Subject: Joni anagram Here's a fun free site I found. I looked up anagrams for "Joni Mitchell" AnagramGenius.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 08:36:35 -0500 From: James Leahy Subject: Joni and Smoking "Can we blame it on the smoke, This sudden borderline?" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 09:35:29 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Shadows and Light DVD The DVD is supposed to contain a 5.1 mix and a stereo mix. I assumed Steve was listening to it in stereo mode. That is, in most cases, preferable to the remixes I have heard on DVD's. Jerry Randy Remote wrote: > Thanks for the review, I think that is the first one I have seen. > What did you mean by: > > The picture is excellent and I give the sound a B plus- only because it is > just going through a stereo. > > The DVD is in stereo, not 5.1 surround, right? Why wouldn't the > sound be great if it's going through a stereo? I don't understand. > Anyway, thanks for the review, I'll be dropping by.... > RR > > Steve Polifka wrote: > > > Hi all! > > I just recieved the S&L DVD from and ebay auction. It is so cool! It has > > the 15 minutes of extra footage not in the original video release. > > The picture is excellent and I give the sound a B plus- only because it is > > just going through a stereo. > > To one interesting note that I need to share is that they have a 'bio' > > section on JM. It is the first 3 paragraphs that Wally wrote about her on his > > website! (I just checked...) How did that happen? > > The DVD is c 2000 by Panorama video out of Hong Kong. Looks like an > > official release. I belive it is a region 1, but the seller said it was an all > > region disc- doesn't matter- I like it. > > I paid 35 for it- considering I spent 50 for the S&L Japan release a few > > years ago, not bad. Highly recomend it! > > Steve ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 10:03:15 -0500 From: "Mike Hicks" Subject: Re: *Joni and smoking > Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 09:09:11 -0500 > From: Jerry Notaro > To: MGVal@aol.com > Cc: joni@smoe.org > Subject: Re: *Joni and smoking > Reply-to: Jerry Notaro > is just as addicting as alcohol or heroin. That's why RJ Reynolds stock is the > one that hasn't nose dived recently. She probably won't appear if not allowed Not necessarily true. R.J. Reynolds merged with Nabisco. They have their hands in lots of things we enjoy....Hawaiian Punch, Kentucky Fried Chicken, Smirnoff Vodka, Planters Peanuts, just to name a few. I have to admit I have mixed feelings about tobacco. My father retired from R.J. Reynolds. I also worked my college summers there. Tobacco paid some of my college tuition. However, I am a non-smoker. Have never smoked a whole cigarette. Both parents smoked. I kinda take the attitude that people can do what they wish, just don't bother me with it. ("fall mountains just don't fall on me") Mike ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 10:14:23 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: *Joni and smoking Mike Hicks wrote: > > Date: > > > is just as addicting as alcohol or heroin. That's why RJ Reynolds stock is the > > one that hasn't nose dived recently. She probably won't appear if not allowed > > Not necessarily true. R.J. Reynolds merged with Nabisco. They have > their hands in lots of things we enjoy....Hawaiian Punch, Kentucky > Fried Chicken, Smirnoff Vodka, Planters Peanuts, just to name a few. Yes, but tobacco stocks as a whole have all survived the latest crash. So I don't think it was the peanuts or the punch. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 10:30:42 -0500 From: "Mike Hicks" Subject: Re: *Joni and smoking > Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 10:14:23 -0500 > From: Jerry Notaro > To: Mike Hicks > Cc: joni@smoe.org > Subject: Re: *Joni and smoking > Reply-to: Jerry Notaro > Mike Hicks wrote: > > > > Date: > > > > > is just as addicting as alcohol or heroin. That's why RJ Reynolds stock is the > > > one that hasn't nose dived recently. She probably won't appear if not allowed > > > > Not necessarily true. R.J. Reynolds merged with Nabisco. They have > > their hands in lots of things we enjoy....Hawaiian Punch, Kentucky > > Fried Chicken, Smirnoff Vodka, Planters Peanuts, just to name a few. > > Yes, but tobacco stocks as a whole have all survived the latest crash. So I don't > think it was the peanuts or the punch. > > Jerry What I'm saying is that the stock certificate reads RJR/Nabisco. So they are in good shape either way. I don't know about Phillip Morris or the other companies. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 07:52:20 -0800 (PST) From: christopher blake Subject: smoke gets in... where were all of you when i smoked? now i'm 50 days a non-smoker and folks the world over support smoking. you would think 'Empty (Try Another)' would be getting more votes for favorite song on the jmdl site :) peace and love -christopher Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 07:53:07 -0800 From: Steve Dulson Subject: Songs To Aging Children Come Kakki wrote: >WOW Mark, once again you get the platinum star. This is perfect and I will >now appreciate the song in a much greater way. Well, here's a dreaded "Me too!" Excellent, Mark! - -- ######################################################## Steve Dulson Costa Mesa CA steve@psitech.com "The Tinker's Own" http://www.tinkersown.com "Southern California Dulcimer Heritage" http://members.aol.com/scdulcimer/ "The Living Tradition Concert Series" http://www.thelivingtradition.org/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 10:56:10 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: smoke gets in... christopher blake wrote: > where were all of you when i smoked? now i'm 50 days a > non-smoker and folks the world over support smoking. > you would think 'Empty (Try Another)' would be getting > more votes for favorite song on the jmdl site :) Actually, that is why I've always loved that song. Joni, repetitiously caught in an inescapable cycle with all of its high cost. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 16:11:34 +0000 From: catman Subject: Re: *Joni and smoking > is just as addicting as alcohol or heroin. According to research it is mopre addictive than heroin and harder to give up"! > That's why RJ Reynolds stock is the > one that hasn't nose dived recently. She probably won't appear if not allowed > to smoke. So they make a rare exception for her. I feel more pity for her > addiction than anything. > > Jerry - -- bw colin colin@tantra.fsbusiness.co.uk http://www.geocities.com/tantra_apso/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 11:12:12 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Both Sides *No* video (DVD)? OK, now I'm really confused. Someone else (Cassy?) asked me whether it was an audio or a video DVD. I thought a DVD WAS audio. What the heck is an audio DVD and how does it differ from a CD? - --- JRMCo1@aol.com wrote: > I think they must be referring to the upcoming > "Audio DVD" release of the BSN studio recording by > Warner/Reprise on April 6th. > > -Julius > > Catherine writes: > << I was browsing the CDNow.com site under Joni > Mitchell > and came across a DVD of "Both Sides Now" (they have > it down as "Both Sides No".) > > Does anyone have any idea what this video is? Did > they film any of the BSN tour? > Get your free @yahoo.ca address at > http://mail.yahoo.ca Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 16:13:22 +0000 From: catman Subject: Re: smoke gets in... 50 days is brilliant! keep it up! christopher blake wrote: > where were all of you when i smoked? now i'm 50 days a > non-smoker and folks the world over support smoking. > you would think 'Empty (Try Another)' would be getting > more votes for favorite song on the jmdl site :) > peace and love -christopher > Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. > http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ - -- bw colin colin@tantra.fsbusiness.co.uk http://www.geocities.com/tantra_apso/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 16:16:54 +0000 From: catman Subject: Re: Joni and Smoking > It's such an easy target, a mom-and-apple-pie issue. Some of my critics > go jogging into downtown streets, I have always been puzzled as to why people jog along side busy roads, breathing in all that shit form the cars! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 11:19:28 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Both Sides *No* video (DVD)? Catherine McKay wrote: > OK, now I'm really confused. Someone else (Cassy?) > asked me whether it was an audio or a video DVD. I > thought a DVD WAS audio. What the heck is an audio > DVD and how does it differ from a CD? DVD audio uses the high capacity of DVDs to store far more music information. Because of this, DVD audio can play back music either in two-channel form, the way CDs do now, but with much higher resolution, or in six-channel form using a surround sound system. Currently, CD audio has a 44.1kHz/16-bit bit rate, while two-channel DVD audio is 192kHz/24-bit playback. Six-channel is 96kHz/24-bit, meaning the six-speaker mix of music is higher quality and has greater depth than two-channel compact disc. The higher frequency and bit rate mean much better audio range for the music, allowing for more depth and all kinds of subtle, softer details to be heard. The narrow bit rate of CDs means only so much data can get through, so a lot of subtleties are lost. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 11:39:27 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Both Sides *No* video (DVD)? Umm, OK, Jerry, whatever you say (what???????) so the sound quality should be better but most of us regular shmoes (like those of us who didn't know there was such a thing as an audio-only-DVD) wouldn't notice the difference, would we? (esp. if we have cheap audio equipment?) (Damn, I was hoping it was a video!!!) - --- Jerry Notaro wrote: > > DVD audio uses the high capacity of DVDs to store > far more music > > information. Because of > this, DVD audio can play back music either in > > two-channel form, the way > CDs do now, but with much higher > > resolution, or in > six-channel form using a surround sound system. ..... > The narrow bit > rate of CDs means only so much data can > get > through, so a lot of > subtleties are lost. > > Jerry Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 11:44:54 -0500 From: "Victor Johnson" Subject: Re: *Joni and smoking . I feel more pity for her > addiction than anything. > > Jerry There are worse things to be addicted to. Jerry Garcia struggled with a heroin addiction and it got him in the end. I definately feel for her. I have never smoked a cigarette in my life and I am thankful for that. Victor Victor Johnson http://www.cdbaby.com/victorjohnson "Just beyond the morning falls the river of your dreams, Escaping from the day these wild creatures run away." Victor Johnson ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 11:46:21 EST From: Kammass@aol.com Subject: Re: Both Sides *No* video (DVD)? WOW! Jerry, ya sure know your stuff! Kammy ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 09:18:20 -0800 (PST) From: Alison E Subject: Re: *Joni and smoking - --- Jerry Notaro wrote: > That is quite clear. Nicotine > is just as addicting as alcohol or heroin. actually, nicotine is FAR more addictive than alcohol or heroine. > feel more pity for her > addiction than anything. > Jerry as a smoker, this is a problem but so do i! i try to smoke less than two packs a week, fewer than 5 a day if i can, but i don't always succeed. especially if i am out drinking. i hate to admit that something has that much control over me. to think that i wouldn't be able to get through a gallery walk through without lighting up, that would really make me feel weak. i also think it's shit that celebrities of any kind get to abuse the rules. it's very disrespectful, i think, of others. alison e. in nyc Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 18:11:20 -0000 From: "Garret" Subject: RE:joni and smoking Joni Mitchell is addicted to smoking. Joni Mitchell knows this; it's evident from remarks she's made when asked about it. perhaps she would like to quit, maybe that's why she gets a little snappy when asked about it. The truth is that smokers often wish to quit, others start and stop, and few stop completely- that is a huge accomplishment. but how can any of us, smokers or non-smokers, sit here and comment on Joni's smoking or anyone elses? i mean, yes it's fair enough to think about it and discuss, but we must refrain from passing judgement. you see we have no possible way to measure her attitude to her own smoking behaviour. maybe she LIKES smoking. maybe she HATES smoking. she must know the risk- bronchitis, emphysema, lung cancer, heart disease. the list goes ever on. and she probably realises that the risk tends to be exagerrated, but surely Joni knows that the risk increases with exposure, the more she smokes the higher her risk. as long as she *does* know the facts, then it is her *choice* to smoke, just like it is her choice to paint, her choice to sing! (ok, the rest is NJC and just me ranting about smoking in general) smoking is a complex activity. i guess the basic premise is the rapid delivery of a drug, nicotine, to the brain. and smoking does indeed allow rapid delivery of nicotine. gum does not. smoking brings airborne particles to the lining of the lungs. straight into the bloodstream, and of course oxygenated blood goes straight to the brain. nicotine from gum must be absorbed into the blood stream in the cheek or stomach and then be transported to the brain, this is a huge delay. so although you may indeed get the same amount of nicotine from gum, or from the patch, the feeling of "ahhh, i've smoked, and theres taht feeling" does not occur. so, it could be argued that smoking is a learned behaviour. you smoke, and straightaway you get taht buzz or whatever it is yo get. to further this effect, the tobacco companies cause smokers to overlearn by repetition. the closer the cigarette is packed the slower it will burn. the slower it burns, the more puffs you can take from it. therefore you get used to the repetitive *action* of using your hands, and of gettng many puffs. cigarettes are designed so that not every cigarette is so rewarding. there is some inherent variation, as any smoker can tell you. i mean, if every one was great you wouldnt need to do it as often. AND, this introduces a reward for the smoker. "will it or wont it be effective?". this will increase the persistence of the habit. rewards strengthen habits. removal of unpleasantness has the same effect.if you stop smoking you'll cough, get headaches etc. so if you *keep* smoking you won't get this. the chemical effect of nicotine acts as primary reinforcement for smoking. but there are also secondary reinforcements. these are seemingly irrelevant factors that become associated with the smoking behaviour. consider, for example, the end of a meal. this actually has nothing to do with smoking does it? but, if you get into the habit of having a smoke after dinner, every dinner will then become a reason to smoke. if you smoke while having a good long phone conversation, then every phone conversation will become a reason to smoke. it's just like the cup of tea or coffee that the nation enjoys at the end of Coronation Street! every episode is a reason to have a cup. and how many smokers use a cup of tea or coffee as an excuse to have a smoke? # then of course there is the physiological/chemical aspect of smoking. once nicotine is in your system your physiological state of arousal increases, and this is a level that, apparently, you'd like to maintain. when this level drops, you get those unpleasant symptoms- anxiety, decreased blood pressure, and even disturbed sleep. guys, i dont smoke. but my grandfather died of emphysema, so this is something i have taken an interest in. i can "get" all of the above, to those ends i dont question smoking behaviour. people, in general, want to be healthy. smokers included. but their smoking behaviour may threaten their lives. this is a conflict that deserves thought. GARRET NP- Rufus Wainwright- Foolish Love ps- paul castle posted the following link http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/entertainment/newsid_1231000/1231741.stm telling us that Eva Cassidys SOTR would be played on TOTP, and just above the Eva articel there is an article about a smoking exhibition! its that list synchronicity thing again isnt it? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 09:58:05 -0800 From: Phyliss Ward Subject: Re: *Joni and smoking I have to agree with Alison. My husband, gave up alcohol, cocaine and heroin for good almost 16 years ago. He has tried many times, unsuccessfully, to give up smoking. The miracle is he hasn't smoked since Thanksgiving Day last year! But he still craves it every day..dreams about it frequently. With him it took a real spritual/personal motivation in both cases, to give them up. For drugs he realized it was his last chance, he would die if he didn't stop. With the cigarettes now, he has found a passion that he wants to pursue intensely, so he wants to make sure he sticks around the planet long enough to do that. Cross your fingers that he keeps up with it. I'd like him to be around a lot longer too. Alison E wrote: > --- Jerry Notaro wrote: > > That is quite clear. Nicotine > > is just as addicting as alcohol or heroin. > > actually, nicotine is FAR more addictive than alcohol > or heroine. > > > feel more pity for her > > addiction than anything. > > Jerry - -- Phyliss mailto:pward@datacourse.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 09:33:28 -0800 From: Sue Glumac Subject: Joni and smoking Here's my explanation: There are many primitive native cultures that believe that they can communicate with the gods and "other" worlds through the smoke of their medicine pipes. The smoke actually carries the prayers and thoughts into the ethers. Oh yes, I also think it is one of the last forms of social rebellion. Sue ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 13:24:52 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Joni's Covers are Sssssssmokin'! Lots of you have guessed on the Covers 15 Lotto, which is making Wink very happy. I've had to slap him silly just so I can take a lunch break. Come to think of it, Wink looks a little like Dubya! Anyway, some of you have inquired about the Covers Project in general. Les has been gracious enough to give me space on the JMDL site to store the database and also some neat search engines. If you want to see contents of the CD's thus far, or find out what we're looking for, check out http://www.jmdl.com/covers/index.cfm Thanks again to Les, the best webmaster this side of the Mississippi! Well, I guess actually you're on the other side! D'oh! :~) And thanks to all of you who have helped with this project - who would have thought when we started that we'd uncover 19 CD's worth, and NO signs of slowing down... Bob NP: Aretha, "Call Me" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 13:40:52 -0500 From: "blonde in the bleachers" Subject: Re: Joni and Smoking Nicely said! I have smoked for almost half of my life and I have tried numerous times to quit, but I feel that by quitting I am not being true to myself, quitting to me would be like losing a part of myself that I need to exist. Many people might view this outlook as sad, but cigarettes become an integral part of your life. So much to mine that every time I try to quit smoking and listen to music, I remember what the music was like while smoking one! >From: James Leahy >Reply-To: James Leahy >To: joni@smoe.org >Subject: Joni and Smoking >Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 08:25:04 -0500 > >Shelah Rogers, the host of CBC Radio's This Morning show, told a story >recently about an interview she did with Joni back in 1994. One of the >conditions of the interview was that Joni be allowed to smoke during the >interview in the CBC's non-smoking studios. Being a huge fan, Shelagh >agreed. > >After the interview, Shelagh was informed that she was going to be fined >for allowing smoking in the workplace. The man who "turned her in" was >none other than Shelagh's own husband, the show's producer. At the end >of her story, Shelagh stated that "Ever since then, Joni Mitchell has >put me $10,000 in debt." > >As for me, I smoke. I wish I were a nonsmoker, but I don't want to give >it up because I'm afraid that it's become so important to my whole being >that something dreadful would happen to me if I stopped. > >I smoke outside the gym after my workout. I'm always getting comments >from people who feel that this activity is somehow ironic, given the >circumstances, and that they have the right to comment on it. My >reaction is somewhat like Joni's. It makes me even more rebellious. I >guess what I'm really rebelling against are their middle-brow, >unoriginal minds -- couldn't they talk about something more intriguing, >like the weather? Criticizing smokers is health fascism at its worst. >It's such an easy target, a mom-and-apple-pie issue. Some of my critics >go jogging into downtown streets, sucking up all that CO2 at great >rates, damaging their knees and jolting their spines. Then they go off >to the bar and get pissed. I can only laugh. > >Now don't get me started on people and their cars! > >Jim _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 11:46:54 -0700 From: "shane mattison" Subject: introduce myself dear friends, a big hello to you all from calgary...you can find me = listed on your member's list under shane mattison...we feel a big = connection with joni up here...and since she wants to call herself = canadian, thus she remains (one earlier correspondant referred to her as = american)...i can share many stories and experiences in time...ie. = seeing her birthplace and the saskatoon home she was raised in, people = who recall her at art college here in calgary, or seeing her at the = 'great depression' coffeehouse...i enjoy reading your comments...i am unorthodox and blonde on the computer, so i am = responding this way...re: amelia, the right take seems to have occured - love lost, and=20 not only recent, but it becomes larger for many disappointments in love = she had (and has)....edith i took to be part of the general prophetic direction she took in her = music, that is to say beginning a social commentary that includes among = other awarenesses that love is so easily frustrated in the shallow = atmospheres and rooms modern successful people find themselves in, a = kind of search for the real amidst the unreal, so i imagine edith to be = american (canadians are equally in the same boat though)...and as for = the smoking, well, i agree with the tolerance shown by not a few of = you...how would we feel if she was stumbling around drunk all the time as some other very creative artists (ie dylan thomas) have done? she to me has a healthy tendency to buck against anything = that becomes a bit of a fad or hobbiehorse....and hoooray for that!well, = i won't take more of your time today...just wanted to say hello and = (jenny) i'm up for a chat anytime...my favourite album? unquestionably = 'don juan's reckless daughter'... i have lived those canadian prairies! = i also agree with the defence of metheny - like joni, he's a natural = that only has grown, grown, grown....bye for now!=20 [demime 0.97c removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of shaneelecgtr1.jpg] ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 11:23:04 -0800 (PST) From: Alison E Subject: Re: introduce myself hello shane! let's get this overwith: siquomb: she is queen undisputed of mind beauty np: now playing paul doesn't mean it, and marcel is republican. most of rest of us are gay men. i'm kidding! now that that's out of way... it appears that you already have your own name tag, a guitar and a festive beret. we'll see you at jonifest labor day weekend in boston. seriously, welcome. alison e. in nyc - --- shane mattison wrote: > dear friends, a big hello to you all from > calgary...you can find me listed on your member's > list under shane mattison...we feel a big connection > with joni up here...and since she wants to call > herself canadian, thus she remains.... Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 11:34:55 -0800 (PST) From: Alison E Subject: Re: Joni and Smoking - --- James Leahy wrote: > I smoke outside the gym after my workout. I'm always > getting comments > from people who feel that this activity is somehow > ironic, given the > circumstances, and that they have the right to > comment on it. My > reaction is somewhat like Joni's. It makes me even > more rebellious. > Jim this is too funny, i can totally relate. i used to do the same thing. i'll go for a long hike with my best friend barb, and as soon as we get back to the car i'll light up. she'll look at me as if i'm nuts for a minute, until i give her the same look back as she stuffs her mouth with a handful of m&m's. ;-) alison e. in nyc Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 13:02:33 -0800 From: "Brenda J. Walker" Subject: Edith and Beating Bars I've always thought of those bars as having several meanings, or, rather, invoking several images. Some of it may seem strange... First, bars of music. Second, bars of a cage - with the Kingpan as the cat, focused and aloof ("purring, all claws for now withdrawn") and Edith as the bird -- beating frantically, blindly against the bars trying to get away. They stare eye to eye like predator to prey - the predator not wanting to look away because she might escape and the prey not wanting to miss the first strike. Last and a bit less literal, the bars in her head are, really, only in her head. She's not trapped but she thinks she is. Just some random thoughts on a beautifully gray day . . . Brenda n.p. - k.d. lang - Suddenly (Invincible Summer is very groovy.) ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2001 #93 ******************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she?