From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2001 #90 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Tuesday, March 20 2001 Volume 2001 : Number 090 The 'Official' Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. Information on the 4th "Annual" New England JoniFest: http://www.jmdl.com/jfne2001.cfm The Joni Chat Room: http://www.jmdl.com/chat.cfm ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Monumental Music Reference! (long) [JRMCo1@aol.com] RE: Monumental Music Reference! (long) ["Wally Kairuz" ] The Joni-Fest ["JC MILLER" ] Angels of the Night [JRMCo1@aol.com] Checks for Jim [AsharaJM@aol.com] I Had a King by Betty Buckley VLJC [SMEBD@aol.com] Joni, Doors & Cats [LeslieMixon@aol.com] Re: furthest removed> from Joni? ["Mike Hicks" ] re:furthest removed from joni [christopher blake ] Taming the Tiger lyric [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Edith and the Kingpin [TanyerSCO@aol.com] computer problem ["janine sherman" ] Re: Edith and the Kingpin [Murphycopy@aol.com] The Fonis!! ["Chris Reynolds" ] Re: Edith and the Kingpin [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Edith and the Kingpin [Relayer211@aol.com] Re: Angels of the Night [Michael Paz ] Re: Metheny solo on S&L ["Jim L'Hommedieu" ] Re: Edith and the Kingpin [IVPAUL42@aol.com] Re: Edith and the Kingpin [Murphycopy@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 05:19:50 EST From: JRMCo1@aol.com Subject: Monumental Music Reference! (long) As an avid researcher and an eclectic lover of music, I've found my Shangri-la! It's in the form of The New Grove Dictionary of Music and Musicians, Second Edition, which was released last month. It's a huge, 29 volume reference for any musical question, large or small, containing over 30,000 articles together with appendices and an index. It took seven years to complete and is the work of 6000 expert contributors and an editorial staff of 60. The results are astounding. This comprehensive and authoritative juggernaut, encyclopedic in scale and scope, is queen undisputed of music knowledge. While the list price (US $4,850) means that this is primarily a purchase to be made by libraries and the like, one can get free trial access to the entire text on a web site for a 24 hour period! I've been immersing myself in it for hours now. I've been perusing articles on all my favorite musicians and every conceivable genre including classical music, reggae, jazz, funk, blues and issues including race, postmodernism, feminism, gay and lesbian music and house music. Experiencing this site is a very personal and interactive experience that one can taylor to suit their own unique music interests. To give you an idea, a search for "Mitchell, Joni" returned 241 results, sorted by relevancy, beginning with an insightful, albeit too brief in my opinion, biography. I'm going back in a minute to browse more deeply, but the first few pages of Joni hits revealed some real jewels. They really seem to have gotten it right here. Fabulously, there's a 577 article section on women composers that doesn't even include contemporary artists like Joni! Such a collection is unprecedented and long overdue. Then of course you have a treasure trove of the latest scholarship on your Beatles, your Beethoven, your Elvis, Steely Dan, Billie Holiday, Hollies, Whitney Houston, Mozart...ad infinitum. As the SF Chronicle said in the article that tipped me off to the resource: "The New Grove is more than simply a huge compendium of information. As a reflection of the current thinking among musicians and scholars, it provides a fascinating, kaleidoscopic picture of the state of musical life at the turn of the century." I could go on and on, but it occurs to me that this is beginning to sound like an info-mercial. Nevertheless, trust me, if you have even a remote interest in music of any and all kinds (and I know you do), you must visit this site and take the 24 hour free ride! To whet your appetite, I'll just post the beginning of a very interesting and informative article on Singer/Songwriters: <> (Five more pages on this subject and more Joni references follow on the site.) Sorry to go on this long, but there's no overstating this music knowledge wonder. Check it out at: www.grovemusic.com - -Julius P.S. In the links section on Joni's bio page, there's a link to JoniMitchell.com! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 08:19:04 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: Monumental Music Reference! (long) julius, thanks for the tip! i subscribed for a free trial. unfortunately, i found it extremely incomplete in the area of classical music. and i'm not talking about obscure 11th century stuff but material that appears in almost any one-volume biography dictionary. it's a good thing you can do this trial thing before paying almost $5,000 for the 29 volumes [i wonder how they manage to fill so many volumes after all the omissions!!!!] incidentally, why do you consider the grove dictionary a juggernaut? i didn't find it so scary! wallyK, with a serious compulsion to buy dictionaries - -----Mensaje original----- De: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]En nombre de JRMCo1@aol.com Enviado el: Lunes, 19 de Marzo de 2001 07:20 a.m. Para: Joni@smoe.org Asunto: Monumental Music Reference! (long) As an avid researcher and an eclectic lover of music, I've found my Shangri-la! It's in the form of The New Grove Dictionary of Music and Musicians, Second Edition, which was released last month. It's a huge, 29 volume reference for any musical question, large or small, containing over 30,000 articles together with appendices and an index. It took seven years to complete and is the work of 6000 expert contributors and an editorial staff of 60. The results are astounding. This comprehensive and authoritative juggernaut, encyclopedic in scale and scope, is queen undisputed of music knowledge. P.S. In the links section on Joni's bio page, there's a link to JoniMitchell.com! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 06:50:17 EST From: AzeemAK@aol.com Subject: Prayer Marcel wrote: < ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 13:44:50 -0000 From: "Paul Castle" Subject: "A Joni Mitchell" Michael jmichaelpaz@telocity.com wrote: >Thanks for the tip on Lucy. I will check her out tomorrow at Tower. 'Just You Tonight' is on Lucy Kaplansky's 'Ten Year Night' album and Jennifer Kimball's solo album is 'Veering from the Wave'. At a recent gig, Lucy played a new song she said she'd been commissioned to write for a film being written and directed by Sherman Alexie called 'Reservation Blues' (who also wrote 'Smoke Signals'). Appartently, he really liked the song and wrote back to say that he had written her into the script as a fictional character called 'Miss Kaplansky', a folk singer, and wanted to know if you would play herself in the movie. He told her the scene required a song by a woman who has just been spurned by her rock singer lover, and he wants her to walk away singing a song along the lines of - 'hopelessly devoted to you' - but he specifically wanted it as 'a Joni Mitchell' singing it - which Lucy described as "an interesting cultural melange." The generic Joni!! PaulC ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 06:26:30 -0800 From: "JC MILLER" Subject: The Joni-Fest Can we bring musical friends to the Joni-Fest? Just wonderin... J.C. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 09:36:33 EST From: JRMCo1@aol.com Subject: Angels of the Night Does anyone have knowledge of a book called _Angels of the Night: Popular Female Singers of Our Time_ (Oxford, 1986, 277 pages, hardcover) by Wilfrid Mellers? Do you have this one in your library's stacks, Deb Messling? :~) According to the New Grove Dictionary of Music bibliography, from their biography on Joni, _Angels of the Night_ contains an expansive scholarly essay on Joni's music called "White Seagull, Black Highwaywoman, Red Squaw: Joni Mitchell" (27 pages, 141-68). The author is said to be the first musicologist to pay attention to popular music. It's out of print, but I ordered it from BarnesandNoble.com in the "Rare, Secondhand and Out-of-Print" section since I'm quite interested in women in music in general, and Joni musicology in particular. I got a "very good" hardcover copy for $16.00, but the 8 copies they showed available are going for as much as $85.00. The book contains 28 pages of black and white plates (photos). I'm looking forward to receiving it. I just wonder if anyone has heard of it, as I don't recall it ever being mentioned here before. I couldn't find any reference to it on jmdl.com and jonimitchell.com seems to be inaccessible right now. Any info is greatly appreciated. - -Julius ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 10:22:09 EST From: AsharaJM@aol.com Subject: Checks for Jim For those of you sending in donations for Jim, please include your e-mail address. Thank you!! Checks should be made payable to Jim Johanson and sent to: Ashara Stansfield P.O. Box 215 Topsfield, MA 01983 (Donations for giveaway items can also be sent to this address.) Hugs, Ashara ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 10:40:57 EST From: SMEBD@aol.com Subject: I Had a King by Betty Buckley VLJC In a message dated 3/18/01 10:38:25 PM Eastern Standard Time, TanyerSCO@aol.com writes: > Also . . . > Has anyone heard Betty Buckley's version of I Had a King? I saw her last > night at the Bottom Line and have my own opinions on it but was wondering > if > anyone else has heard it. > I'm a big Betty Buckley fan and also went to see her at the Bottom Line (late show on Friday night). I thought she was in great voice and the show was awesome. I sent Bob a copy of Betty's cover of IHAK (done as a medley with If I Remember You Right) and it appears on:CD V2, Disc 3 Buckley, Betty, I Had A King, "Heart to Heart", (KO Productions 0001-2) 2000 (Recorded as a medley, "If I Remember You Right/I Had A King") I truly love her interpretations of Joni's songs. IMHO, she really understands the emotions behind Joni's songs. I love the fact that Betty approaches her material as miniplays--I feel she captures the drama of Joni's songs. I would love for Betty to do a CD of Joni covers--I can just imagine what she would do with songs like Amelia or Hejira given her love for "story songs". As for her rendition of IHAK, I love the song that she wrote (If I Remember You Right) and think that it makes a wonderful medley with IHAK. I think she nails the pain in IHAK and I feel that the piano arrangement by Kenny Warner is very lovely and complements Betty's rendition. I guess what I like best about Betty's covers of Joni's songs (she has also recorded River and ACOY-both on Bob's C&C collection) is the way she maintains the integrity of the song and yet manages to make it her own. Stephen NP: "I've Got Thunder" Baby Jane Dexter ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 12:06:50 EST From: LeslieMixon@aol.com Subject: Joni, Doors & Cats We recently had a door installed in our house. John Morearty is a 70-something neighbor, self-proclaimed door expert and retired Philosophy professor. John also plays the shakuhachi, which is a Japanese flute. I thought to play some inspirational music for John, while he was bringing out the hammers and the boards and the nails. So, I set up the boom box and turned on "Both Sides Now." Following is the resulting poem by John. Hope you enjoy reading it. Catbs elbow Valley in January, left elbowbs got the rheumatiz, time for sabbatical from saws and hammers. Short days are nice indoors, working computer, playing the shakuhachi, eating apples and reading bTwelfth Nightb in the rocking chair by the sunny south window. Maybe take a walk. But my new neighbor Lou, the young philosophy prof, needs a door on his back porch. The old one has no hinges or knob, just sits there stuck in the opening. In a fire, theybd have to push it out, and try not to break their necks going down the stairs. Not only that, but Loubs new neighbor Leslie has cats and no way for them to slip in and out, just a crummy broken metal back porch door. Cats are at her all day long, and shebs fixing to adopt a baby. Leslie needs a door, and two cat doors too. When can you please do our doors, they say. Soon, I hope, if my elbow will take the load. Week after next? Okay, Ibll try. Pace myself, just work along steady; itbs been November since hanging a door. Haul doors from the lumberyard, hinges weatherstripping doorknobs and deadbolt, load up my truck with seven or eight toolboxes and gray horses with all the saw cuts on top plus two big padding blankets for the doors, and roll red truck down the block on a bright cold Tuesdaymorning. Elbowbs okay so far. But the first thing Lou says is oh and by the way, webve got a cat now, can you put in a little cat door in the bottom of the wooden one? There goes forty five minutes, and then I put it in backwards and have to take out the screws and turn it around. Finally the sun is warming up and so am I but out the back door comes Lou and we get to yacking about philosophy and Jesse Jacksonbs baby and sex and politics and webre having a good old time in the sunshine and before you know itbs late in the morning and I havenbt even cut the hinges. So I send him away and get out my chisels, hang the door and yes it almost fits, plane blade is dull but a little touch of the belt sander and itbs good, drill out for doorknob and deadbolt and put them inb and the deadbolt wonbt fit! One of those new-fangled Schlages Lou bought, half an hour fooling around, did their damn engineers ever hang a door? Enough for today, go home and eat a cheese sandwich. WednesdayB buy a new deadbolt, put it in, do the weatherstripping, and home by lunch. Thursday morning Ibm at Lesliebs house and moving in the groove today, no fooling around, the door goes in, the locks go in, plus a cat door plus another one in the kitchen door, and Leslie comes out and plays Joni Mitchellbs new Both Sides Now real loud, photos she took herself of the singer years ago, and standing by the sawhorses in the backyard sunshine, I really donbt know life at all. Weatherstripping goes right in, and I go home. Elbow hurts a little more, but Ibve got some money, and a poem. Philosophers are happy, and so are the cats. Copyright John Morearty 2001 Leslie Mixon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 13:18:31 -0500 From: "Mike Hicks" Subject: Re: furthest removed> from Joni? > Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 21:22:35 -0800 (PST) > From: Tyler Hewitt > Subject: furthest removed> from Joni? > To: joni@smoe.org > Reply-to: Tyler Hewitt > What artists/albums do you own, that are the furthest > removed > > from Joni? Devo Bow Wow Wow Plasmatics A Perfect Circle Korn Smashing Pumpkins You get the idea. Mike ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 12:22:42 -0800 (PST) From: christopher blake Subject: re:furthest removed from joni what do i own that is the furthest from joni... in no particular order: ministry,dead kennedys,nin,black sabbath, other assorted easy-listening Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 15:40:21 EST From: JRMCo1@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni, Doors & Cats Thanks for sharing John's touching poem, Leslie. It's a slice of heaven. - -Julius ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 16:13:23 EST From: RPWieloh@cs.com Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2001 #128 Hi All, Speaking of inspiration and using names in her music would anyone know the inspiration of the beautiful name of Sophia in one of Joni's tunes, just blanked out and cannot think of the particular song but the line is something like "Sophia says",........Any inspiration filled tunesmiths in touch with my wave on this one?Thansks,Rich ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 19:32:23 -0500 From: Gary Zack Subject: John Phillips Hello all, Some of you must be like me and miss a newscast now and then - so because I happened to see this one, thought I would pass it along. Very surprised and saddened to hear of the death of John Phillips (The Mama's and the Papa's) yesterday, from heart failure, according to the news. Just thought some of you would like to know, sorry about the njc. Gary npimh: California Dreamin' ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 19:49:29 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Taming the Tiger lyric << anyone know the inspiration of the beautiful name of Sophia in one of Joni's tunes, >> Rich, Joni was referencing a quote from Sophia Loren, beautiful name and a classically beautiful lady!! :~) The song is Taming the Tiger... Bob ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 19:55:44 EST From: TanyerSCO@aol.com Subject: Re: Edith and the Kingpin In a message dated 3/18/01 11:33:55 PM Eastern Standard Time, Murphycopy writes: << I know Edith Piaf had a tragic love life -- and who hasn't? -- but was she ever involved with some kind of a kingpin? And, if I remember correctly, I think she died because of some kind of substance abuse -- was it cocaine? Could those "Impossibly gentle hands and blood-red fingernails" have belonged to Edith Piaf? Any Piaf majors out there? Have a nice week, --Bob Murphy >> Aren't those the lyrics to Shades of Scarlet Conquering? Are they related? I had never thought of Edith in EATK and the woman in Shades as being the same person, but that's an interesting thought. : ) tanya in nyc ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 20:09:54 -0500 From: "janine sherman" Subject: computer problem If anyone from list e-mailed me privately in the last two days, please resend. My server got hosed up with some large files and we had to delete all incoming messages (of which I had 43) to unchoke it. Sorry. Thanks, Janine ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 20:25:34 EST From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: Edith and the Kingpin In a message dated 3/19/01 7:55:44 PM, TanyerSCO writes about my mix-up of "Edith" and "Shades of Scarlet": << Aren't those the lyrics to Shades of Scarlet Conquering? Are they related? >> Sorry, I got my Scarlett and Edith confused. This kind of thing always seems to happen when I dash of a quick email to the group. Plus, my mind is going . . . Take care, --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 21:22:46 -0500 From: "Chris Reynolds" Subject: The Fonis!! Just got back from a business trip in the UK and ended up in Birmingham ( but saw that a band was playing at Noddy Holder's club - the Foni Mitchells!! I got to see them - the bar was packed - and they were brill :) They really rocked (great bass!) and I fell in love with the redhead - when they did stuff off "Blue" it was awesome I even got some pics and a signed playlist! The Club is Robin 2 and yes...they serve COLD Guinness - you have to do it! Love from Chris in South Carolina ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 22:52:55 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Edith and the Kingpin << was wondering what everyone thought of the story and what it was about. If it was personal to Joni in some way, etc. >> I don't see this as being personal to Joni at all, Tanya, based on what I've read and heard about it. I think of it as one of her "portrait" songs, as opposed to a confessional one. As for the song, it's basically a story of a pimp (The Kingpin) and the current lady of choice (Edith). He supplies tham with drugs (tilting their tired faces gently towards the spoon), what's interesting to me is the end of it: Edith in his bed A plane in the rain is humming The wires in the walls are humming Some song some mysterious song Bars in her head Beating frantic and snowblind Romantic and snowblind She says his crime belongs Edith and the Kingpin Each with charm to sway Are staring eye to eye They dare not look away You know they dare not look away Makes me wonder if the Kingpin is really in control of the situation or if it's more of a co-dependency. Are the bars in her head those of incarceration? Certainly a great song worthy of discussion. What are your thoughts? Bob NP: Christopher Grener, "Winnie" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 23:19:14 EST From: Relayer211@aol.com Subject: Re: Edith and the Kingpin In a message dated 3/19/01 11:11:11 PM Eastern Standard Time, SCJoniGuy@aol.com writes: << Makes me wonder if the Kingpin is really in control of the situation or if it's more of a co-dependency. >> My favorite line is this:"His right hand holds Edith,his left hand holds his right What does that hand desire that he grips it so tight?" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 22:09:39 -0800 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: Angels of the Night Julius- you have outdone yourself on this one pal. Great sleuth work! I can't wait to hear your report.. Paz on 3/19/01 6:36 AM, JRMCo1@aol.com at JRMCo1@aol.com wrote: > Does anyone have knowledge of a book called _Angels of the Night: Popular > Female Singers of Our Time_ (Oxford, 1986, 277 pages, hardcover) by Wilfrid > Mellers? Do you have this one in your library's stacks, Deb Messling? :~) > > According to the New Grove Dictionary of Music bibliography, from their > biography on Joni, _Angels of the Night_ contains an expansive scholarly essay > on Joni's music called "White Seagull, Black Highwaywoman, Red Squaw: Joni > Mitchell" (27 pages, 141-68). > > The author is said to be the first musicologist to pay attention to popular > music. It's out of print, but I ordered it from BarnesandNoble.com in the > "Rare, Secondhand and Out-of-Print" section since I'm quite interested in > women in music in general, and Joni musicology in particular. I got a "very > good" hardcover copy for $16.00, but the 8 copies they showed available are > going for as much as $85.00. The book contains 28 pages of black and white > plates (photos). I'm looking forward to receiving it. > > I just wonder if anyone has heard of it, as I don't recall it ever being > mentioned here before. I couldn't find any reference to it on jmdl.com and > jonimitchell.com seems to be inaccessible right now. Any info is greatly > appreciated. > > -Julius ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 23:41:11 -0500 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Re: Metheny solo on S&L Hey Jim, Yeah, in retrospect, it sorta reads as a slam. I really didn't mean it that way although it's obvious that I don't "get" Metheny. That's why I see his transcendent "Amelia" as revelatory and extra= ordinary (in the dictionary meaning that it's out of the ordinary.) I've tried "Off Ramp", "American Garage", and "80/81". I know these are highly regarded albums and I'm not denigrating them. They expose a lack in my "ear". You GO Boston Jim! Boston Jim wisely noted: > It was a beautiful solo all right, and maybe it qualifies as a good > representation of Pat's abilities circa 1979, but I can't agree with that > statement *at all*. > Ever the Metheny guy, > Boston Jim In response to my (Lama): > "Metheny is playing way above his ability." All the best, Lama ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 01:08:50 EST From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: Edith and the Kingpin In a message dated 3/19/2001 11:35:41 PM Eastern Standard Time, Relayer211@aol.com writes: << My favorite line is this:"His right hand holds Edith, his left hand holds his right What does that hand desire that he grips it so tight?" Except that you misquote the line, which is: "His EYES hold Edith; his left hand holds his right. What does that hand desire that he grips it so tight?" As those of you who attended the very first Jonifest in Pittsburgh know, EATK is one of my favorites. I've always wanted to turn it into a mini-stage play or Greek drama. Or at least a nice music video for VH1. Paul I ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 02:12:52 EST From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: Edith and the Kingpin In a message dated 3/20/01 1:15:57 AM, IVPAUL42@aol.com writes: << you misquote the line >> You know, IVPAUL, I remain on this list despite your constant over-the-top negativity and cruelty to others. You are the only one in the JMDL family who consistently posts insulting and just plain mean responses to the people here, often newcomers. Isn't there anything you can do to become more humane? Why are you so angry? Why do you want to hurt people? I pray that you're not a parent, because I would grieve for the children of a person like you. You're just too mean and ornery, IVPAUL. For your own sake, lighten up. There is so much good here on the JMDL. Can't you see it? And if you can't see it, please go away. There are lots of discussion lists that would welcome your anger. Do a search -- Keyword: Hate. --Bob ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2001 #90 ******************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she?